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Published: Saturday, Aug. 30 2014 5:55 p.m. MDT

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mufasta
American Fork, UT

The Cougs looked good in some areas that have been weak in recent years but we could certainly use some fixes to mindless penalties, special teams, and defence. The return of our missing starters should help together with some concentrated effort. All will be tested in Texas. Go Cougs.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

I personally don't think the penalties need a whole lot of fixing. If you go back and look at a lot of those calls, the refs were very picky. And not just on the calls against BYU. This went both ways. There were lots of holding or PI calls where there was very minimal grabbing or contact, but the call was still made.

I think this was simply a very strict team of refs. It was very clear at certain times that they were pretty focused on laying down the law and keeping the game under control, even if it meant a handful of picky, and possibly incorrect, calls.

If the refs for the Texas game are less strict, which will probably be the case, I don't see much of a need for BYU to clean anything up.

sammyg
Springville, UT

I will gladly donate 3 months worth of Wheaties to the kicker if that will make a difference.

One of the most embarrassing displays of poor performance in a position since Jake Heaps lost his job to Riley.

Please fix this immediately.

Pipes
Salt Lake City, UT

Will be good to have Williams back. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that the BYU running backs do not hit the hole hard. Lasike scoots around looking for a hole rather than running hard. Run blocking was also very weak. I'm hoping that Anae has some better planned runs up his sleeve for Texas or Hill will have to do a lot more running. I'm also hoping that Anae's well documented predictability in play calling was so as not to give Texas film on his better plays.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Pipes

BYU runs a read option offense. That means on the majority of the running plays the QB reads the defense and then decides whether to hand it off, pitch it, or run it himself. The read option will be called over and over again because that is what you do with that offensive scheme. So if by "predictable" you mean the read option will be called a lot as a running play then yes you are correct, it will be called a lot and that is predictable. What Hill reads and does with it each time it is called is less predictable although you should be able to tell what he is going to do if you pay attention to the specific players he his reading.

For instance if the weakside end is coming hard at him he will hand it off to the back, if that end is angling for the back he will keep it himself and run outside, if the play involves a second back who is going wide he may then run an option and either cut it up himself or pitch to the back if the next defender comes to him.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

The two fumbles and the late QB hit by Leavitt were the primary issues the Cougs had in Hartford... Without those the score is 49-3.

I believe the 15 penalties were as much a reflection on the officiating crew as they were on the players... Seems like there wasn't a "no call" that this crew didn't call and the Lead official appeared to me to have an axe to grind for some reason. Still, too many mistakes.

The thing that I am most concerned about is the lack of aggressiveness and the Lethargy in the second half... It smelled a lot like last year in the Georgia Tech game and the Boise State game... We got a big lead at the half and all of a sudden our Offensive scheme seemed to change... More running and less passing and option work... It almost seemed in a few series that we were looking to run out the clock...

We need to maintain that physical and aggressive approach throughout the entire game.

JD
Las Vegas, NV

Taysom4Heisman, wow you watched a completely different game than I did. All those personal foul penalties absolutely need to be cleaned up, I bet Provo leads the nation in personal fouls after week one. That shows some serious lack of discipline. I thought the special teams were horrific. A 1A high school team has a better kicker than what was on display. Hill is just BYU's best player, he is not going to win a Heisman. He would not start in the PAC-12. He possibly would have a chance at Colorado to compete to start, he is a good athlete, but not a Heisman quality player. Yes, he will have amazing stats, but that will be due to very poor competition which will continue to skew Provo fans minds from actual reality.

dallas realist
rockwall, texas

just for fun, IF BYU goes undefeated (not likely) how high could they end up being ranked?

USNGary
San Diego, CA

JD, Hill transferred from what school? Oh yeah, it was Stanford, and what conference are they in? Oh yeah, the pac 12

Ronald Uharriet
SWun City, Ca.

#107 Conn got beat by us, 35-10,
#25 Texas was able to beat #88 North Texas, 38-7.
#34 Houston Lost 27-7 to #82University of Texas/San Antonio
#68 Va. lost to #7 UCLA.
#60 Utah State lost to # 50 Tenn 38-7
#26 UCF lost a close one, 24-26 vs #41 Penn State
#72 Nevada beat Unranked, but below 128, Southern Utah, by only 19-28.
(Former HC at BYU being the OC and former BYU QB at Southern Utah.
#30 Boise State lost to #18 Ole Miss 35-13
#95 Middle Tenn beat unranked, but below 128, Savanna State, 7-61
What should the score be vs. BYU÷
#105 UNLV vs. # 47 Arizona and lost 58-13
#Unranked, but below #128, Savanna State, lost to #95 Middle Tenn. 7-61
#81 Cal beat # 55 Northwestern 31-24 Cal is much improved over last season
and much better than the rankings indicate.
Of the 12 teams we play, 8 of those teams lost. 3 of them lost to teams ranked below them.
Our highest ranked teams came in at #25 Texas, #26 UCF,#30 Boise State,
#34 Houston, while BYU came in at # 42. That is 4 teams ranked above us.
Savana State isn't even ranked but below 128, Connecticut # 107, UNLV # 105,

Captain L
Provo, UT

JD you need to take off those rose colored glasses you are wearing that make you think the pac 12 is soooo neat, like USNGary said, where did Hill first agree to play? I watched UCLA and Hill looked better than UCLA's QB and for that matter he looked better than most of the QB's I watched yesterday and that was quite a few. Hill still has improving to show but he looked good, he was calm , cool and patient but I want to see how he plays/reacts when his is getting pressured, UConn didn't put any pressure on him , so I want to see how he plays against Texas. Hill is Heisman material, (JD )your just jealous or pregidous or you just hate anything BYU. Go cougs, Go Taysom.
After how Utah State played tonight it looks like who is better Hill or Keaton goes to Hill.

Black & White
SLC, UT

@Taysom/Poyman,

I agree with JD regarding the penalties.

All I can say is that you play how you practice, and if you don't control and clean those things up during the Fall Camp practices and scrimmages, you're going to get what you had here. Obviously the coaches did not send the right message to the players when they should have.

As for "picky" refs, get used to it. The tight manner in which this was called is the trend across all levels and conferences, so the Cougs can either learn to adjust or learn to start losing to sub-par teams because of dumb fouls. This was an AAC crew, and they will have more AAC crews in the future as well as a Big 12 crew against Texas, so there won't be much of a change in philosophies on The Officials' part, so that means BYU's Coaches need to change THEIR philosophies and practices, and relay that with discipline to the players, or suffer the consequences.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@poyman

"The two fumbles and the late QB hit by Leavitt were the primary issues the Cougs had in Hartford... Without those the score is 49-3."

If UConn doesn't turn it over on both of their first 2 drives the score is probably 28-17. The fact is, in any football game, you could look at a couple plays and say "if they went differently, the outcome would have been much different."

The funny thing is, they didn't go differently. That's how the play went.

And even if BYU cleans up fumbles and personal foul penalties against Texas, there will be some other mistake that is made. It's football. Big plays happen every game. Some go in your favor, some don't.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@JD

"Taysom4Heisman, wow you watched a completely different game than I did. All those personal foul penalties absolutely need to be cleaned up, I bet Provo leads the nation in personal fouls after week one."

If I remember right, there were 3 personal fouls we committed. Maybe it was 4. Either way, that's 11 or 12 other penalties we had. In a usual game you commit 6 or 7. So we were about 5 calls above the usual game even if you take out the personal foul calls.

I agree. The personal fouls need to be cleaned up. But I was referring to the other calls. I didn't think BYU was unusually aggressive or dirty last week, and yet we had several more penalties than we are used to. UConn was also heavily penalized, and I didn't think they were very aggressive or dirty. That's why I think the refs were strict and that penalties aren't as much of an issue as people think.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@JD

"Hill is just BYU's best player, he is not going to win a Heisman."

When did I say he would win the Heisman? I hope you aren't taking my username too literally. I don't actually think he will win it. He is nowhere near the best player in the nation, and college football is way too political to let a mid-major win the Heisman. The last time a mid-major won the Heisman was BYU, but it was 24 years ago. The last time a mid-major won the national title was BYU, but it was 30 years ago. Clearly, there is a bit of a barrier there.

"He would not start in the PAC-12."

I guess you didn't see Washington's game on Saturday. Or utah's QB position over the last 5 years, with the exception of their games against FCS teams. I also think he would compete very well for a handful of the other QB spots in the Pac-12.

idaho cougar fan
Twin Falls, ID

JD I told you last post, the only 3 schools Taysom wouldn't start for is UCLA, Oregon and OSU. Everybody else in the Pac 12 would gladly trade in their qb for Taysom. There was a reason Harbaugh loved Taysom and recruited him to Stanford.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ idaho cougar fan

I can think of 8 schools Hill wouldn't start for.

TH was recruited to Stanford, but he wouldn't start over Hogan, who is the returning starter of the conf. champions.

TH wouldn't even sniff the starting spot at ASU. Kelly threw for 3635 yards and 28 TD, and he rushed 608 yards and 9 TDs.

As for USC, Kessler had more yards, more TDs, less INTs, and a better completion percentage than TH.

Halliday is WSU's QB no questions asked. Leach doesn't want a duel threat guy, he wants an air it our guy, which Hill is not.

Would Hill start over Travis Wilson, who knows? In my, admittedly, bias opinion, no he wouldn't.

I think Hill would have a chance to start at Zona, Cal, UW, and CU. I can't say for sure, because Hill is a read option QB and I don't know if that fits with what those teams run. Still, he might have a shot.

Objectified
Richfield, UT

@ two for flinching:

It takes an extremely biased fan to say that Wilson is better than Hill. By any objective measurement, that is a bad statement. Against a much better team than the Utes faced, Hill had a much higher QB rating than Wilson. It wasn't even close. If Taysom Hill can keep up his current level of play in most of BYU's games, he definitely will be a Heisman candidate.

@ black and white:

I watched a lot of football this past weekend and can say with certainty that your statement about extra-picky officiating being the new norm on all levels is totally wrong. The refereeing in the BYU-UConn game was extra picky resulting in an unusually high number of bad calls against both teams. One of the bad calls against BYU (as confirmed by ESPN announcers) actually amounted to a 57 yard penalty after negating a huge offensive play.
Your assertion has no backing and therefore no credibility.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Objectified

I don't think Hill fits what Utah runs as well as Wilson does. For one thing, Utah likes to stretch the field and goes long several times per game. Wilson has a pretty good deep ball when healthy. We still haven't seen that Hill can constantly throw it deep with accuracy.

As far as objective measures go; last season Wilson had a better completion percentage, more yards per attempt, and a higher QB rating, even after Wilson injured his hand. Not to mention Travis didn't get the chance to pad his stats against multiple bad teams. I admitted that my opinion was bias, but I think the numbers back me up about TW starting over Hill if they were both at Utah. In fact now that I think about it, I'm 100% certain Travis would be the starting QB because Whittingham would move Hill to defense.

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