Hey JoeCapitalist2 -" . . . an Obama scandal (like the VA mess .
. ." . . . goes way back deep into the GW Bush administration.”WRONGIt's no more Obama's scandal than it is
GW's.VA negligence brought to light on Obama's watch, and
that in itself signals a transparency that never existed under GW Bush.Hey David -" It is an unfortunate reality that Obama relaxes a
lot, doesn't have a strategy, and makes a lot of mistakes. "WRONGIt's fortunate that the Obama administration actively
works to the benefit of this country . . .as opposed to the laissez faire
policies of GW that assumed the nation could just lead itself.And
that attitude, of course, led directly to 911, and a string of failures that
imperiled this nation.The differences between the Republican GW Bush
administration and the Democratic Obama administration are startling.GW gave us arrogance, misplaced confidence, and one DISASTER after another.Obama gives us good sense, competence, dedication, and ability . . . And
of course “Conservatives” are insanely jealous.No sane
person wants to return to the kind of leadership GW Bush represented.
ordinaryfolks: "This President could walk on water, and the right wing in
the country would accuse him of jay-walking."Possibly. But for
all the progressive kool-aid drinkers who actually think that he does walk on
water, I doubt he could do anything (except join the tea party) that would cause
any of them to criticize him. They still think that each and every one of the
scandals he is involved in are phony.GaryO: "By and large, the
American press FAILED to do its job in accurately defining and criticizing
GW’s ridiculous policies."If dozens of front page news
stories that criticized almost every Bush policy means that the press failed to
cover it, I'm not sure what to call every Obama failure that gets a
paragraph on page 21 in almost every newspaper. Most main stream press outlets
don't even bother to cover an Obama scandal (like the VA mess) until it is
too big to ignore. Even then they water it down and excuse it in most of their
Certainly the president should be able to relax. It is an unfortunate reality
that Obama relaxes a lot, doesn't have a strategy, and makes a lot of
mistakes. It doesn't project competence or ability.
Hey Sven –“ . . . are you sure you want to go
here?”Sure, why not?Everyone sometimes misspeaks,
and a misspoken phrase does not make policy.Your hero GW Bush, on
the other hand, spluttered on endlessly with nonsensical remarks. For him, it
was standard operating procedure.I was adamantly opposed to handing
the reins of power over to a man like GW. He couldn’t pronounce the word
“N U C L E A R” if his life depended on it. And yet you were happy
to give him the Nuclear suitcase.GW’s rambling mind showed in
his thinking and in the lurching and confused policies he instituted . . . And
in the COMPLETE DISASTER he left this nation.Obama’s clear thinking
is reflected in his much more reasoned approach to governing.Face it
Sven, GW left us disaster, and Obama is making things right again, even in the
face of tremendous opposition from obstructive and destructive Republicans who
still continually make excuses for GW and his actions.GW was a
legacy student at Yale. On the other hand, Obama, like Clinton, came from a
modest background, and WORKED for what he attained.
GaryO said:"In other words, you are attacking the Left for being
accurate in this instance."GaryO, are you sure you want to go
here? Okay, if you insist. Try these little gems on for size:*
"We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad." * "Navy CorPSe-Man"* "I've now been in 57
states -- I think one left to go." * “On this Memorial
Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many
of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly
strong.”* "I bowled a 129. It's like - it was like
the Special Olympics, or something."* Obama thinks Austrian is a
language* Obama has no clue how to offer a simple toast to the Queen
of England. She has to tell him to sit down, so as not to further humiliate
himself* Needs a teleprompter to speak to elementary school kids.
:-DYou said:“And your list for
opposing Obama is complete NONSENSE.”This is your
Wow, almost six years into Obama's presidency and it's still all about
Bush for many Obama supporters. Absolutely amazing.
Sven, does do the world a service when they list their objections to the
President.When you can plainly see scandals that aren't
scandals, cherry picked numbers (unemployment rates that overstate common usage,
snap numbers that compare the end of a recession to the beginning, workforce
numbers that ignore the demographics of an aging population), and the distortion
of statements."We don't have a strategy yet" could
mean, we don't have a clue, we are weighing our options, or we don't
have enough information to commit to a strategy yet (one of the problems with
the English language. Anyone who has learned another more sophisticated
language will know what I'm talking about.). Guess which one the haters
have promoted as the meaning. It is nice to be reminded in one spot
just how superficial and distorted the current Republican party is.
Sven you hit it in the head. I wonder where these folks buy their Obama
blinders. They are so invested in the prospect of socialism. You listed some of
Obama's complete failures in which he is one. They don't list
accomplishments because he has none. Oh we would hear he got Osama. Yep with
other peoples intelligence. Oh and the wonder of the ages Obamacare which is a
mess.But your list is his real accomplishments. Truth hurts Fact Obams is the
worst President in history.
Hey Sven -" Seems to me I remember the Left calling Bush stupid,
evil, unable to speak intelligently...etc."In other words, you
are attacking the Left for being accurate in this instance."Seems I also remember the Left celebrating a movie depicting President
Bush's assassination. Remember that?"That movie was made by
the Brits, who were just as disgusted with GW as every other sane nation in the
world.And your list for opposing Obama is complete NONSENSE.W
Bush preferred to go bed early, but apparently, could never get out of bed early
enough to honor the soldiers he so recklessly sent off to die.Bush also
did not go to military funerals, telling the military newspaper Stars and
Stripes three years ago that he preferred to meet families privately. I very
well doubt he met with 6000 families.Bush's inaction is a national
disgrace, amounting to government censorship -- of the funerals of returning
U.S. service members. Not one funeral did he ever attend. Love that
Republican respect for our troops.
Sven, please continue. Maybe if you keeping listing the Fox top 100 you might,
just might, hit on something that is actually legitimate.
The DN is again taking the President to task on a ridiculous issue. If the same
standard were held for the Church that owns the DN, then there would be many
church leader castigated for their own behavior. At a time when Religious
Freedom and the Constitution is holding on by a thread (as some alarmists say) I
see church leaders at the Jazz Games and other events including University of
Utah football games. Hold them to the same standard as you are
holding this current president. BTW golfing and attending games are
normal activities that any public person should do! It's being normal, even
for the President and Church leaders.
In my opinion, this editorial, "Par for Deseret News"What is the editors opinion on SUU removing Harry Reid's name on one of
This is a pretty fair assessment of the situations of the modern American
President. When placed under the media microscope, no matter the party
affiliation, the President will be castigated or glorified. The key to analysis,
IMHO, of a Modern-day President is the response to the question: Is the
President living in integrity and does the President support, honor and defend
the Constitution of The United States of America. All other
commentary about the President's activities should be left to the checkout
stand news stands. Who cares if his suit is beige. Not Presidential enough.
There are other reasons to consider that conundrum but what he's wearing or
when he plays golf (He was on holiday.) Actually President Obama has played less
golf than other Presidents. Unfortunately, there has been more of a mess in the
world. What is more of a concern than golf or attire, is his comment
that there is no strategy on how to address the rise of ISIS. A threat the King
of Saudi Arabia feels is quite real. Let's hope President Obama figures it
The President is expected to work and to work hard for this country. LBJ spent
16 to 20 hours a day working for us. Many of us disagree with his policies, but
he WORKED. Obama is not a worker. He has never had a real job. He plays golf.
He plays cards. He bowls. He vacations. He campaigns. He does not work.His job is to execute the laws of this nation. He refuses to do that.
Anyone who is unbiased can read his schedule and see that he has
failed to work and that he has failed to execute the laws of this nation.He will go down as the president who played golf when his nation was in
peril. That will be his legacy. That is the legacy that he chose by his
conduct.Being President is a thankless job, even when the President
is not spending his time on the golf course or on vacation. Obama makes it too
easy to take pot shots. He has "poisoned the well" for any Democrat who
runs for office.
ordinaryfolks said:"Bush was criticized roundly by the
progressives in the country, but mainly for bad wars and bad politics. Obama is
criticized for breathing."======Oh really? Seems to
me I remember the Left calling Bush stupid, evil, unable to speak
intelligently...etc. Seems I also remember the Left celebrating a movie
depicting President Bush's assassination. Remember that?You
want reasons why we criticize Obama? Here ya go:* Real unemployment
14%* Over 47 million Americans are on food stamps; which is almost
double what it was in January 2009* 92 million Americans are out of
the workforce; the highest rate in 35 years* Benghazi (3
scandals)* NSA scandal* IRS scandal* Fast
and Furious (gun running) scandal* VA scandal* Violating
the separation of powers and creating a Constitutional Crisis with his threat to
provide amnesty to millions of illegals* If you like your Doctor you
can keep your Doctor* If you like your insurance plan you can keep
your insurance plan* "We don't have a strategy yet."Shall I continue?
US presidents are only presidents, they are not kings or dictators. The terms of
their job are not to legislate new laws, but to enforce existing ones.
Presidents also, get too much credit for things going right user their watch,
(i.e. Clinton) and too much blame when things go wrong (i.e. Bush 43). The
actions of congress are often overlooked. The reduction of the deficit is one
example in recent years. President Obama likes to point out how the deficit has
been reduced under his watch, but his policy prescriptions for higher tax rates
and higher spending would have probably led to a larger deficit. The "do
nothing," gridlocked congress is responsible for reigning in spending.
President Eisenhower played a lot of golf and a lot of bridge. He was criticized
for that in his time. It was felt that he let subordinates run the show while he
was a mere figurehead. We now know that to be entirely false. Ike was an active
manager who got most things right. He also relaxed and enjoyed himself as
The DN has found another way to criticize Obama. They have tried to make it fair
and balanced by pointing out Bush was criticized for giving up golf.
Incidentally, that commentary is misleading as it gives the impression he gave
it up in 2008. That would only be the last year of his presidency. Not very
impressive. He gave up golf in August of 2003. Wilson golfed through World War I
and did 1,200 rounds during his presidency. Eisenhower golfed 800 rounds during
his two terms, or about twice a week. So far Obama has golfed about 180 rounds
or about three times a month. A bigger issue is vacation time. Vacation days by
this point (5 1/2 years) of their presidency? Bush - 407, Obama 125. Bush spent
a third of his presidency vacationing away from the White House.
“I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.”
That brilliant quote from GW Bush fails to note that he launched that
unprovoked war for no good reason.And now Deseret News is
criticizing Obama for golfing? . . . But DN didn’t say a peep against
the NUMEROUS horrible policies of GW Bush.By and large, the American
press FAILED to do its job in accurately defining and criticizing GW’s
ridiculous policies.I will say that the legitimate TV news
organizations (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN et al) were extremely reluctant to promote a
war in Iraq, but FOX "NEWS" acted as a cheerleader for that unprovoked
and useless war . . . No surprise there in retrospect."Par for
the President huh?" Obama may not be a scratch golfer, but par for this
President will result in a much position for this nation than what GW left
us.Obama has his own game, and it does NOT include engaging in
unprovoked invasions, eliminating the only government that succeeded in keeping
Islamic extremists down, and killing 100,000 Iraqi Muslims, thus inspiring an
undying need for vengeance against the United States.
What a strange editorial "there is nothing a president can do to avoid
criticism," but "President Obama should know better." "
The editorial should have left it at "Presidents are in a Catch-22."
Instead it goes on to indulge in the very thing it acknowledges as unfair.I wish that the most momentous decisions our Presidents made were those
involving the visuals created by their vacation activities. Please...
Let's face it.This President could walk on water, and the right
wing in the country would accuse him of jay-walking.Bush was
criticized roundly by the progressives in the country, but mainly for bad wars
and bad politics. Obama is criticized for breathing. And all because he had
the audacity to win the office with a majority of the voters of America backing
his visions, policies and persona.Like I said, this paper and all
other right wing oriented papers will find the President to blame for eating
breakfast, or sleeping or any other mundane daily activity, just because he has
the support of progressive voters. Sad for us all.
"The conventional wisdom is that all of this time spent on the green is
indicative of a disconnected president who is not taking his job seriously.Is that a fair assessment? Not really."So, your point?