Thid BarkerVictor, IDThere is only ONE good reason for war,
freedom! Most wars are fought for conquest, America has been an exception to
that. America goes to war to free people from the conquests of tyrants and
dictators, then we leave and allow them to govern themselves, if they will or
not is up to them!8:52 a.m. Aug. 31, 2014========= THIS veteran is curious, What branch of the Armed Forces did you
serve in, Thid?and What Campaigns did you fight in?
JJ Feinauer is a Web producer for Moneywise and Opinion on Deseret News...====== Funny, No prior military experience posted.Tell you what JJ, YOU enlist and YOU go...As veteran,
I'm DONE doing the work others want, but aren't willing to
It going to be hard to Ignore the threat of terrorists because they will not
stop -- However it is hard to stop them when we have no real plan to confront
them.It is like having a water boy trying to coach the Super Bowl.--- He
isn't looking to get in the game --He wouldn't know what to
do.That's what the american people are afraid of. If you go to war you
don't go to give your opponent a bloody nose --- you go to knock him out as
quick as possible - but it takes a plan and the guts to carry it out
RE HamathOmaha NEI would be interested in your opinion. Do
you think Al Queda or Qaeda was in Iraq at the time of the invasion?
Sven, nobody gave anybody a pass once again you make things up. The crime is in
the fact that the intelligence was cherry picked, made up, and distorted. The
one person who doesn't get a pass is Cheney. He is the primary perpetrated
of the "intelligence"."You might want to ask the 4.2
million who've lost their Existing health insurance "You
mean the 4.2 million that now have better insurance and in most cases for less
or the same. How about the 35 million that now have coverage that they
didn't have before? We have in fact made significant progress towards
better health care for all. Implementation has nothing to do with
wanted or needed. It's all about effectiveness. Keep conflating,
distorting and fabricating it doesn't change reality.
Re SvenWhat is the purpose of your list of Democrats who noted for
the the war in Iraq? Republicans voted for it too and I don't blame any of
them. Congress wasn't at fault. They were given false misleading
information. I would have voted for that war too.
Changing tunes, because of media reporting can be dangerous.Most
media reporting are only forty percent accurate.
Short memory. Both Afghanistan and Iraq have been failures in consummating our
stated purposes and goals. It is easy to do saber-rattling when it does not
directly affect you and there is an all-volunteer military to do the dirty work.
pragmatistferlife said:"Doesn't change the fact that the
'intelligence' was cherry picked, made up, distorted, and planted. How
do we know that, because it wasn't true."=====Funny, your description actually sounds like the "scientific method"
liberals use to try and prove Global Warming. :-D
pragmatistferlife said:"Doesn't change the fact that the
'intelligence' was cherry picked, made up, distorted, and planted. How
do we know that, because it wasn't true."So, you want us to
be outraged that Bush used this intelligence, but give the Democrats a pass?
Really? I think you need a reminder of what Senator John Kerry had to say about
this intelligence:"According to the CIA's report, all U.S.
intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There is little
question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons."
(Congressional Record, October 9, 2002)You can spin this all you
want; these Democrats, and other nations are on record as agreeing to go into
Iraq. I know facts are bothersome to liberals, but they are what they are.You said:"BTW Sven, we have created care for the
sick."You might want to ask the 4.2 million who've lost
their Existing health insurance under the individual mandate portion of
Obamacare how that's working out for them. BTW, if Obamacare is so wanted,
so needed, so essential; why does Dear Leader keep delaying major portions of
its implementation such as the "Employer Mandate"?
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth
war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable
creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the
exertions of better men than himself".John Stuart MillThere is only ONE good reason for war, freedom! Most wars are fought for
conquest, America has been an exception to that. America goes to war to free
people from the conquests of tyrants and dictators, then we leave and allow them
to govern themselves, if they will or not is up to them!
"The Democrats had the same intelligence that Iraq was developing WMDs that
Bush did"Doesn't change the fact that the
"intelligence" was cherry picked, made up, distorted, and planted. How
do we know that, because it wasn't true. BTW Sven, we have
created care for the sick, we have begun to heal the oceans, we have recovered
all the jobs plus millions more for a nation that was losing 750,000 a month
just months after the nomination, we have ended wars, and our place in the world
is more of a last great hope than the 8 years preceding it. In fact the context
of the no strategy comment is evidence of such hope. Our first response is not
to rush into your country and kill your civilians. Our approach is a measured
thoughtful approach.Just because your world construct doesn't
recognize these accomplishments doesn't mean they aren't real, the
same as just because your world construct supported the "intelligence"
didn't make it real.
I wonder if we can be selective based on who is willing to do things for
themselves?Kurds are willing to fight and are organized, then we arm
them. If we are confident that the Free Syrian Army won't turn against us,
Afghanistan-style, then we can help them. If Afghanistan continues to be
completely corrupt we cut them loose and wish them the best.If we
help someone who can help themselves, we aren't helping, we are hurting.
Once again, folks are jumping to the conclusion that foreign intervention means
a large scale invasion, only military options and everyone is going to die. How
about having a foreign policy that intervenes without war, and isn't
dependent on "wrong side of history" and "how barbaric" to
express disdain. How about an intelligence apparatus that is actively
collecting data and giving a warning before "reading it in the morning
paper". Better yet, lets get some adults in the White House advisory corp
who have some idea of the world as it is and not neophytes and the utopia they
imagine it to be. Then, a Chief Executive who pays attention at the daily intel
briefings. Yes, they are important. That's what I want, I understand the
need to intervene militarily, I also understand that a coherent foreign policy
accomplishes a lot, short of actually unleashing the dogs of war; but once they
are loosed, they wreak havoc by design.
cjb said:"These are the same people no doubt that came up with
the story there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."=====
The Democrats had the same intelligence that Iraq was developing
WMDs that Bush did when they voted yes to the invasion of Iraq. Just in case our
good friends on the Left have forgotten, here's the Senate Democrat
"Yeas": Bayh (D-IN)Biden (D-DE)Breaux (D-LA)Cantwell (D-WA)Carnahan (D-MO)Carper (D-DE)Cleland (D-GA)Clinton (D-NY)Daschle (D-SD)Dodd (D-CT)Dorgan (D-ND)Edwards (D-NC)Feinstein (D-CA)Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)Johnson (D-SD)Kerry (D-MA)Kohl (D-WI)Landrieu (D-LA)Lieberman (D-CT)Lincoln (D-AR)Miller (D-GA)Nelson (D-FL)Nelson (D-NE)Reid (D-NV)Rockefeller (D-WV)Schumer (D-NY)Torricelli (D-NJ)Consider Sec. of State (Then Senator) John
Kerry's words regarding Iraq's WMDs:"According to the
CIA's report, all U.S. intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking
nuclear weapons. There is little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop
nuclear weapons." Congressional Record, October 9, 2002
Another untrue column in the Dnews. Not surprised.
Better double income taxes to pay for the three or four wars.
I guess the War is Heaven was a wicked, evil thing, no doubt perpetrated by the
Eternal Military Industrial Complex!!
Gary O, Indeed the rightwing media machine (fox) is ready to send our kids off
Americans are becoming more comfortable with foreign intervention? I hope this
isn't true and suspect it isn't. There are forces in this country that
are chomping at the bit to involve us in another war. These are the same people
no doubt that came up with the story there were weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq. The fact we can't afford it and the fact it will cost many Americans
their lives and well being seems to be of no concern to them.
"Americans are changing their tune on foreign policy"And
that's really too bad.Obviously, America's news media,
traditionally the conscience of America is now following the irresponsible
strategy of Right Wing propagandists . . . And has caved in to greed. It now
tells people what they want to hear instead of the truths they NEED to hear.There's a lot of money to be made by feeding the limbic-brained
prejudices of the masses . . . A LOT of money.America's
military industrial complex profits from the trillions we've spent over
the years on the military, at the expense of the American taxpayer . . . And it
stretches far beyond America. We give Israel billions with the understanding
they will spend most of it on American weapons of war.Perpetual
warfare enriches many, while it impoverishes many, many more. At the same time
we spend trillions in warfare, America's richest pay very little in taxes .
. . a precedent established by the destructive GW Bush administration. And now
THAT has become the status quo along with perpetual war.The
warmongers who parasitize this nation and the world are venerated by the media,
when they should be publicly held to account . . . and reviled.
So what i hear is a lot of people commenting on guesses. 1. The
article which has some data that backs up it's claims are full of lies.
Wow! OK, I guess the data was completely made up then. 2. If Bush had not
committed $ to the wars, we could have paid for college for everyone (and then
of course nothing bad would have happened in return). Look, I'm not
saying it was a good decision to go to war. But to assume that not going to war
that we would have suffered no consequences while allowing Al-Queda to continue
to have gov't based training grounds is a guessing game... who knows maybe
Afghanistan would have morphed into a even more productive relationship with
Al-Queda... we don't know. At the same time, it may be better today if we
hadn't invaded. And we would have all that money. We just don't know.
3. Terrorrist wouldn't be as active if we hadn't invaded.
Guessing again. (I think you're right). At least put some
"I think" or "i believe" qualifications people. Otherwise you
sound like you are on shaky ground.
We are a warlike people. "...easily distracted from our
assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we
commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel —
ships, planes, missiles, fortifications — and depend on them for
protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become anti-enemy instead of
pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot,
thus, in the manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting
the Savior's teaching [to love your enemies]."—LDS
Church President Spencer W. Kimball, 1976One cannot be a good Mormon
and support articles like these. War is evil. Killing each other is Satan's
plan. The Lord desires us to love each other, not kill.
"...generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children
that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good
jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to
slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and
secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth."
-Barack Hussein Obama (Nomination Victory Speech, June 3, 2008)"we don’t have a strategy yet" -President Obama, August 28,
2014Hope and Change...Pfft!
These terrorists would not be active if we had not removed Saddam Hussein.
Interfere in other countries, and chances are you'll make things worse.
War is not a football game that we cheer when we score a spectacular hit or cry
when the opposing team makes a score. War is about the killing of other human
beings for political reasons. The killing of a human being is a sin. The taking
of life is not justified in any way shape or form. The rule of kill or be killed
is applied but it is still wrong for them to kill you and you to kill them. To
bomb the innocent is wrong and to be bombed is wrong. War is wrong!For price of these several wars brought to us during the Bush years we could
have paid for every man woman and child in America to attend college. What a
difference we could make in the world if war are more educated. Money spent on
war is WRONG! Don't misunderstand me, I love our troops and our
I'm all for it. If we institute a draft, and cover the cost on a 'pay
as you go' plan. Every year's tax return should have a line item for
the cost of the war thus far.
I think this shows we are ready to send other people's kids to fight.
No they are not, Americans are more against interventions since before WWI. Just
a planted article to try to sway public opinion so you can kill more of my
friends and foreign citizens for power and greed.