I would like to see BYU in the Big 12.They will have growing pains,
just like Utah currently has growing pains in a power conference.They are going to need a buddy to go with them though. Perhaps you could grab
Air Force or CSU if not San Diego State to get the Colorado market back in Big
12 Territory.Besides the Big 12 is more conservative than the Pac
I love it when BYU fans say, "Let's just wait and see," or
"It's probably best to adopt a wait and see attitude on this one--for
now." Umm, yeah--that might be a good strategy. So much more reasonable than
the "Let's print a bunch of tee shirts and make our Conference
Championship Game travel plans right now," strategy. Saves you money!
@ Missouri CougBYU would become the ND of the Midwest by......
joining a conference? What?
We welcome BYU to the HEARTLAND OF AMERICA...We have many avid BYU FANS in
KANSAS, MISSOURI, NEBRASKA, OKLAHOMA, TEXAS, COLORADO, that would drive to
anyone of these states to watch BYU play in every sport they have, not just
football. Have driven many times from Texas, Kansas, and Missouri to games when
BYU Played in the area. BYU would become the Notre Dame of the Midwest, if they
were to come to the BIG 12 (which is now minus 2) to be the BIG TWELVE...May the so-called BIG TWELVE get their heads out of the sand and GO COUGS....
@JustGordonWe all know that if BYU joins the Big 12 that they will
struggle more than usual, especially at first. What we don't know, however,
is if they will do worse than Utah. Just because Utah has won the head-to-head
the last few years does not mean that you can accurately assume that Utah will
have better success against other opponents.Those kinds of
assumptions are very difficult to predict; after all, in 2012 Utah beat BYU but
lost to Utah State, so using your logic BYU should have lost to USU. But they
As someone else mentioned here. I could easily see San Diego St. being invited.
Take them and you are instantly in the S. Cal TV market.
@JustGordonPlease explain how adding Louisville and Cincy makes more
economic sense.First Louisville is part of the ACC who not only has
a $52 Million exit fee, but also has Grant of Media Rights through 2027 (meaning
if a school leaves, the ACC still gets all of their media revenue). I know
Maryland challenged this and only had to pay $31.2 Million, but the ACC has
since shored up those agreements to make them much harder to challenge.
Louisville is not leaving the ACC.Second, Cincinnatti? Really?
Makes more economic sense than BYU? Fanbase, stadium size, annual revenue, tv
draws, etc, etc, etc. BYU wins in every category except maybe travel distance,
which is not significant for anyone but West Virginia.But, please,
feel free to make your case based on economics.If the Big12 could
have a do-over, they would take 2 schools from from the Southeast (UCF and
either USF or Tulane) and 2 teams from the West (BYU and UNLV or SDSU), and they
would have not taken TCU and WV (those were desperation moves to get back to 10
-- kind of like the PAC12 taking Utah after CO accepted an invite but UT, OU and
OSU rejected theirs).
You only have to take a look at BYU's schedule this year to see that this
would be a great thing for BYU fans. BYU getting into a league is the only
thing that is going to save them from football obscurity. It would be great for
BYU and football in the state of Utah. Here's one UTE fan that is hoping
this happens for BYU.
The chances of BYU being invited to join the Big12 are slim and none. As
previously noted the school has already fumbled its chances previously behaving
too much like another Texas. Those fans that think the Cougars upon joining
will be one of the two four programs in the conference should look to the
problems the Utes have had sustaining real P5 conference schedule something BYU
has never had to face. If the Utes who have prevailed over the Cougars 9 out of
the last 12 years are having issues, it will only be worse for the Cougars. Adding both BYU and CFU makes little economic sense. Adding Cincinnati
and Louisville does. Shorter travel, travel partners and access to the talent
rich Ohio football market with larger markets makes the m sot economic sense.
Remember, adding BYU to the Big 12 cost present members more money than BYU
could bring in.,which is the economic reality of why BYU is still struggling for
a conference to join.
This upcoming game against Texas could be the most important game in BYU
football history. If BYU wins, which I believe can happen. The message gets sent
and everyone in football will get it. If they loose we hear the story of the big
stage again. Whether its Big 12 or PAC 12 they really do fit. Historically they
have proven that they can beat any of those teams on a given night. You know
what? Those teams know it. This game is huge, they have to win.Jeff
It would be nice if those in BYU governance allowed Tom Holmoe to make that
decision, but 3 years ago they shot it down more than Big 12 media partners not
wanting the "no Sunday play" policy BYU strictly adhere's to.
There are some in the group who don't like the BYU athletic mission and
feel "it detracts from the mission of state institutions." What the
supporters on the BOT of BYU athletics point out to those who've wanted to
curtail or even "Rexburgize" the program is another state school in the
form of UVU would emerge very quickly in that wake down in Utah County and
defeat the idea of helping Utah State University regain any athletic program
relevance. Even more the idea of the NFL making it's way to Salt Lake City
would certainly deflate any gains made by the University of Utah over the past 2
decades. How relevant is Arizona State since the Cardinals moved to Phoenix in
@71-39You couldn't be more wrong.Apparently you're reading
things into it because I am very Pro BYU. Now, reread what I wrote. I state
exactly what you state. The writer is totally un connected to any source that
would give him any information about the Big 12 or BYU. So he is just a talking
head. BYU fans shouldn't get excited by his speculation, Utah fans
shouldn't think BYU fans are buying his drivel and we should just play to
win and let the AD Holmoe deal with any conference opportunities. We fans
should drop the prattle until there is a real invitation.
I still think Independence is the way to go for BYU Football. The one thing they
are missing is another JC feeder school like Rick's College was. Maybe SVU
can fill that void. BYU can hide the players away at SVU until they put on
weight and/or become eligible.
@SaneFan"I'd bet donuts to dollars that every Ute fan is now
rooting for the Big 12 to be in the Championship series."Statistically, Utah and BYU have been virtually the same in terms of average
Sagarin ranking over the past 10 years, it's totally irrational for anyone
to believe that such a difference would magically appear if BYU joined the Big
12. Maybe if Utah could play more than 6 conference games in 3 years with a
healthy day 1 starting QB, we'd get a more realistic picture of what
average is for them in the PAC. I'd expect something similar to that for
I'm not going to say this will or will not happen (I hope it does), but for
those questioning the source, you might want to check yourself. Gary Danielson
played professional football for 14 years, was a college football analyst at
ESPN for 8 years, and has been at CBS for 8 years where he is currently part of
their primary broadcast team for SEC games. I'm going to go out on a limb
and say he just might be a bit more qualified to comment on this that anyone on
this site.Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but
those of you who can't see reality through the red tint of your classes
lose any semblance of credibility when you criticize the content of this
@ CopaceticIn that poll, the State of Utah cast 1,681 votes, 96%
were in favor of the Big-12 expanding to include BYU. Assuming all of the
"No" votes from Utah were Ute fans, that means a whole 67 fans voted no.
The total poll had 10,834 votes. Maybe BYU fans aren't being victimized
by those mean Utah fans after all....
@ eric2002x:If ESPN subtracts Ute fans votes from the poll, the
voting would've been 90+ percent in favor of BYU, instead of just 74%. Even
at that, 3/4 of all voters being in favor of BYU being invited is impressive. A
heck of a lot better than Obama has ever won any election by. That must mean
it's a mandate by the people.It's amazing that once again,
Ute people are the majority to comment on another BYU article... even right
after their own team plays. Amazing! It's hard to fully determine if they
are actually impressed that much by BYU or if the forever obsession still lives
on and can't be contained.
@ localboy:Since Brave Sir Robin isn't being so brave this time
and is refusing our request to name some of the "most experts" he was
referring to, we are left to conclude that he must've been referencing
Chris B and ekute as his experts... since they, along with uteology and sir
robin himself, know more about BYU football than anyone else alive. And if anyone doesn't believe me, just ask them.
While the utah fans on BYU articles may not like it, what is most interesting is
going to ESPN when they made a poll to see if BYU should be invited to the Big
XII. The voting was 74% for BYU. Most of the comments are from people in Big
XII country (since the poll was in the Big XII blog area) and were mostly
positive to BYU, definitely more than 50/50 positive (except the TCU fans, which
is odd since BYU helped them get out of Conf USA into MWC where they gained some
national respect and ultimately Big XII membership... Oh, and also ignore the
dozens of Michael Romney's comments, never seen someone so bigoted and full
of hatred).The other school most mentioned in comments was
Cincinnati. I could also see UCF, Boise St, San Diego St all fitting in as well
to round out the 12 members necessary.
Yep, West Virginia needs a travel partner and byu fits the bill. Gonna happen.
@ Sir Robin,What experts are saying they'll take Cincinnati and
Louisville? Louisville's already in the ACC. They're definitely not
leaving. If anything it could possibly be UCF & Cinci, but BYU sure brings
more than either of those schools as an overall package.
@ Brave Sir Robin:You stated that "most experts say they would
take Louisville and Cincinnati". I haven't read that anywhere. Who are
several of those "most experts" you referenced?@ Hey
Baby:You and some other Ute fans keep knocking BYU's schedule.
Since you obviously have a difficult time staying informed, please know that in
Phil Steele's 2014 SOS rankings, BYU is #73 out of 128 teams, meaning
it's better than 55 teams and putting them somewhere toward the middle.They are ranked better than Ohio, USU, Georgia State, Southern Miss and
your next opponent, Fresno State. They are only one place away from Wisconson
and very close to Iowa and Alabama. Yet I haven't read you
disparaging any of those other programs. Just BYU. Obviously, you have a
deep-seated bias you should get help for. It's costing you almost all
credibility.@ SLC Watch and MyPerspective:You are
telling BYU fans to drop it and let it go. Did you read the article? It's
written by someone with no affiliation to BYU. Quit reading things into this.
Apparently, it's more like your anti-BYU attitude that actually needs to be
chris b or big 12(or whatever name you are going by today), i,m telling you jump
on the cougar bus before it leaves the station !
Chance that this will happen 5%Chance that this BYU fan will be
happy if it does. 0%I have no affinity for the Big 12 or its teams.
Why get stuck in a P5 conference and tie yourself to the same schedule every
year.The playoff will be at 8 teams soon enough, and the landscape
will change. All 5 P5 champions will be in; the top rated team from the other
conferences will be in and there will be 2 at large births.Independence is fine now and will be even better then.
I agree with Cougsndawgs, my question is when has byU ever been humble,
contrite,and gracious? Their reputation as being hard to work with and demanding
precedes them. From a strictly fan perspective I would love for byU to be in the
Big 12. Sadly I think it will not happen.
timid sparrowYou can continue bloviating your personal opinion that
BYU already had their chance to join the Big 12 a million more times, but the
truth is, the only thing constant is change, and even you, with your broken
crystal ball, couldn't possibly know whether conditions will eventually
change to allow BYU to join the Big 12.
Y Grad / Y DadWhen BYU discovered that they could negotiate a better
television contract by themselves, than Craig Thompson could for an entire
conference, moving to Independent status, signing an 8-year contract with ESPN,
and fully integrating their brand new state-of-the-art HD television studio into
BYU's televised sports package became a no brainer.Basketball
and some of the Olympic sports took a hit, but there is an up side to playing in
Malibu instead of Laramie in February.
I've said for a while now that the Big 12 will be pressured into expanding
at some point. The question is, would BYU be invited? I think most fans that
I've seen on message boards for ESPN and cbssports, and SN, etc all think
BYU would be the best addition because they bring the largest fanbase and reside
in a nice TV market. BYU needs to mend some fences though, and be humble and
gracious about it. They have to do something they don't do very well and
that's be contrite. TCU and WVU jumped at the chance to join while BYU ho
hummed and asked about TV rights and wanted a certain number of games on the
national or tier one network, and out clauses without penalty if OU or UT ever
bolted, etc, etc. One could only hope they've learned their lesson and are
hat in hand now with the Big 12. Otherwise my prediction is that the Big 12 WILL
expand (they'll essentially have to), and they will look east at UCF,
UConn, or Cincinnati. BYU needs to be humble, contrite, and willing...no
@ Iron RodThe BOT is the Board of Trustees. BYU get a
lot more cash being indy. They signed a deal with ESPN, and BYU doesn't
have to split bowl revenue or gate receipts with conf. members. Everything BYU
makes, it keeps.Big schools play small schools for a couple reasons.
It's an easy win and it allows for a nice "warm up" before having
to face the tougher teams on the schedule. Small schools love it too because
they get a lot of money by playing bigger schools.
Iron Rod, BOT is Board of Trustees (think 50 East North Temple).BYU
makes a ton more money than they did in the MWC because of their arrangements
with ESPN to broadcast football games.Playing a lesser team in the
opener is supposed to ease the better team into the season and allow them to
fine tune a few things before playing conference games.BYU to the
Big 12 will most likely not happen. Pure speculation without any reasoning to
Two for FlinchingY Grad/Y DADAlthough I am a BYU graduate. I
was always to busy working to do much on campus.Thanks for the
information.What is BYU's BOT?So they get more cash
being independent?One last question. Why do the bigger schools play
such tiny schools in opening football?Like "little sisters of the
Wasatch" is not really an equal opponent for the U or Y?
Since BYU is one of a few teams in the black year after year indy makes sense.
A tie to a P% conference would be nice and they would do well the first year
although I would not be as bold as the ute fans in claiming a conference
championship the first year, or second, or third,or 4th, etc.Time will
I have worked at two PAC 10.2 schools and still work at one and I have to
honestly say that I have NEVER seen a PAC sticker in my 25 years of work. I
wonder why it is that this is all I hear about on the hill? Is this the only
thing the ute fans can hang their hopes on is another sticker?
And so there you go CHRIS , one of my cats has been let out of the bag!You will
be also hearing this from at least 2 other reliable sources by December or
January .Jump on the Cougar band wagon !
This could be trouble... If BYU moves to a high quality conference like the Big
12 before you know it Utah will want to move to a high quality conference.
It won't happen this year, but next year it will. BYU will have two strong
seasons in a row, next years will look better because of the stronger schedule
and Big 12 will be left out of the playoff. They will invite BYU and BYU will
accept. That's my prediction.
Only three conferences will be represented in the playoffs this year. SEC (two
teams), and ACC (florida State), PAC12 if UCLA or Oregon have less than 2
losses.PAC-12 probably won't make it because nobody will have
less than 2 losses. Big XII won't make it because Texas and Oklahoma will
have some bad losses. Baylor or K-State won't get any love.This
is rigged for the SEC.
Like I've already said a million times, BYU already had their chance to
join the Big 12...and they blew it. Two years ago the invitation was
practically in the mail and BYU started to get all greedy, making demands like
they were Texas or Oklahoma, and the Big 12 pulled the invite. The Big
12's lawyer even publicly called BYU "weird".If the Big
12 decides to expand (and that's a big if), most experts say they would
take Louisville and Cincinnati.
Iron Rod:I assume the decision was reached by administrators and the
AD with input from the various coaching staffs and LDS Church leaders.Success vs failure is a complicated question. My opinion is that:1. Going independent was a gutsy move, and the school gets points for taking
the road less traveled. Whenever you make an unconventional decision,
there's risk and unintended consequences.2. So far it's
been a mixed bag, but independence is not a viable answer long-term. The
scheduling nightmare resulting in a mostly ho-hum home slate and the lack of any
natural rivalries is a problem that will become more glaring over time, ESPN or
no ESPN.3. That said, if I could pop the Y back into the MWC today,
I wouldn't consider it. As has been stated over and over, if the
"old" MWC plus Boise were still intact, that would be a competitive,
intriguing conference. But that's fantasy.Bottom line: BYU is a
pain for the "big" conferences. They're too good for top schools to
risk playing them; too "weird" and not good enough to force their way
Iron RodSalt Lake City, UT"Was it a success or failure to
go independent?"Definitive success.Because the
choice at the time wasn't "go Big 12 or go Independent." The
choice was "Go Independent or stay MWC."The mantra from
certain critics would still be the same - meaningless wins against patsies,
there would be fewer high profile games, and virtually no television coverage.
Let's wait and let the games be played and then see what happens. I'd
rather see us earn our way in altho this year only provides one game (UT) with
real big league competition. I also like our schedule the next few
years as an independent - not this year - but next year and the years after look
@ Iron Rod1. A little of both. Indy for BYU has advantages
(exposure) and disadvantages (quality bowl tie-ins and scheduling stability)2. BYU's BOT3. It was their best move at the time
because Utah left for the PAC-12. Indy got BYU out of the MWC, increased
exposure, and increased yearly revenue.
If the NCAA allows the Big12 an exception, a playoff with only 10 teams, I
expect some other conferences to shed their dead wood and go back to 10 teams
BYU to the Big 12 makes sense, but which other team to invite is a big question
mark. At any rate, it doesn't appear that the Big 12 will do anything until
their conference champion is shut out of the playoffs, which could very easily
happen this year.Tom Holmoe just needs to continue fostering a
relationship with the conference so that BYU is positioned for an invitation
when/if the opportunity comes.
So help out a non football fan.Was it a success or failure to go
independent?Whose decission was that?Why did they make
BYU is much better as an independent. They can schedule meaningless opponents
every week and go 12-0 in football.Say ByeBye to post season hoops
too...Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas, Baylor...5-10 losses
Speculation by someone with no bona fides, no source, no track record of
predictive success?Next fans of some school with nothing to cheer about
will chime in and say Y fans said it's gospel truth. So Y
fans... drop it. It's a herring and a smelly one at that.Second, if the Y did make it into the Big 12, and I definitely would be
shocked if they were invited, they would not be any more prepared to face that
steep road than another local school is prepared to be anything more than a door
mat. Except for the other sports. Track, Cross country, Volleyball (
won't leave the conference they are in), Basketball, Golf, Swimming etc.
They would do much better as they do have National caliber teams.Let's just play football one game at a time and win. Que sara sara.
Not going to get my hopes up until it happens but I do ask that every BYU fan
vow to NEVER put a Big 12 sticker on their car no matter what.....PLEASE!
I just hope that Danielson is right... Then I guess I have to hope that the B12
miss the 4 team playoffs (which I don't think will happen)... Beating
Texas, Central Florida, and keeping quiet about all of this will certainly help
the Cougar's cause if in fact Oklahoma misses the playoffs.
I don't think it would be BYU and UCF. It'll be BYU and another team
out west OR UCF and another team back east. Can't see the Big-12
stretching from Morgantown to Orlando to Provo. That would be miserable travel,
especially for the olympic sports.
Why wait for an invitation? byu simply invite themselves into the
conference...some of you are already talking like it's a done deal. You people aren't tired of independence already, are you?
Hmmmmm...can't say that I blame you.
Because I know they will ask before anything is announced - I give my consent
for BYU to join the Big12...As long as they bring basketball in
Kralon,There is absolutely no way the NCAA is going to make an exception
for the big12 when they have already made the rule . Go try however !
The NCAA will not let the have a playoff without 12 teams. Additionally, It will
be BYU and Boise State or maybe San Diego State. Team need travel partners and
UCF will not be a good travel partner for any Big 12 team and both Boise or San
Diego State make sense. Especially SDSU because it infiltrates Pac 12 country.
Let's wait and see.
The BIG12 has asked the NCAA to allow them a championship game with only 10
teams. If that is granted, then the BIG12 will not add anyone to their
conference because it would mean less money per team.
Sssssshhhhhhhhh! !Don't let this out of the bag! The u fans
will go crazy if this happens and they would be forced to eat crow! They would
really look silly with all there PAC 12 banners every where you look along with
their sticker's not for their team, mind you, but for their conference.
It makes perfect sense. If it does happen, BYU will immediately be one of the
top 4 teams in the Big 12 and in contention for the Big 12 Championship game and
consequently the College football playoffs. I'd bet donuts to dollars that
every Ute fan is now rooting for the Big 12 to be in the Championship series.
Not another article like this. Although the logic of it makes sense, no one
should speculate until the Big XII actually mentions they are considering it
That could very well happen. BIG-12 gets shafted and adds BYU for football to
get back in the mix. C. Florida, well there are other schools out there that
could be taken.