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Published: Thursday, Aug. 28 2014 4:45 p.m. MDT

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koseighty
The Shire, UT

Wow. The Deseret News running photos of actual people on a gay rights article rather than the standard pair of hands. Are they beginning to realize that real actual American type people are involved here? In any case, well done DN, there is hope for you yet. :o)

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Disrupting the legislative process is a great way to wind widespread publicity for your cause. However, it also tends to really irritate legislators who must deliberate any changes to our laws.

It seems that many in the LGBT community are really more interested in calling attention to their (outlandish, in my opinion) demands and personal publicity that in explaining any rational arguments in favor of their requests, or rather demands backed by the threats of violence if they are not granted.

Just because a tiny minority of people get a lot of publicity about their demands does not make it right or proper to accede to those demands. If they find a sympathetic judge to give them a win, that may make it legal, but still does not make it right, moral or proper.

I hope that LGBT demonstrators who break the law with their demonstrations are treated the same as any other group of out of control activists, be they animal rights, folks, gun nuts, "underpaid" teachers, or religious zealots protesting liquor laws.

Behave and argue the merits of your desired legislative changes, not showboating anarchists.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Yup, this ill thought out protest indeed does hurt the gay cause and makes them look sort of un-civil. Kind of appears like many efforts by the gay community to attempt to force their voice upon everyone else while simultaneously disregarding the concerns of the majority of citizens who oppose many aspects of the gay agenda. Another wake up call that this small minority of citizens does not appear to be sensitive to the feelings, rights, and concerns of others.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

If we don't get our way, we will fight and pout, just like children, not adults. Good for them, their real agenda is starting to show and it is nor one of tolerance but one of force.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

This whole thing seems quite strange. The State of Utah keeps saying that Amendment 3 is the will of the people. Doesn't refusing to allow a vote on a Gay anti-discrimination bill that has even more popular support defeat that argument?

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

The defense of "you made us do it" really doesn't go over well with those in power, ever!

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: Mecho "Another wake up call that this small minority of citizens does not appear to be sensitive to the feelings, rights, and concerns of others."

So I guess Mecho you are afraid your religious "right" to discriminate against LGBT persons is being threatened?

The legislators involved seem to agree with you. So what is this community supposed to do? Just roll over?

firstamendment
Lehi, UT

Why do they call them "gay rights activists"? Aren't they promoting gay marriage?
One thing Judge Vaughn made clear was that legally promoting/enforcing homosexuality through marriage is not about civil rights, visiting rights, insurance rights, or etc.

Gay marriage advocates don't seem concerned with gays rights to vote, work, drink water and live where they want, etc. We can already do that in Utah, and in CA etc.(unless they are Black, overweight, Asian, etc. since gay bars still discriminate, segregate, send Blacks to the end of the line, refuse to hire based on race, religion etc. AND without being fined).

But, as Vaughn pointed out (after he supplanted the morality of The People with his own morality-taking the right of Californians to truly have a voice or vote on their future), gay marriage isn't about "rights" it's about mainstreaming homosexuality, and one of his justifications for gay marriage was that he didn't believe in "conversion" therapy, and there were some other unfounded speculations (born that way, identical love, homosexuality should be tax promoted etc. etc.)

Yes, I know, born that way etc. have nothing to do with marriage, but there it is..... :)

AZRods
Maricopa, AZ

Marxist, apparently you agree then that breaking the law is the best way for all of us to 'get our way' or to deal with political differences?
And how far do you go to justify your actions LGBT? Until you get everything your way?

The false premise of just wanting equality and tolerance has long since been buried by the actions of the LGBT movement.

After each conflict we have seen what truly lies beneath the thin veneer of their agenda starting with prop 8 in CA.
If they win, they only become more threatening as it justifies their success.
If they lose, they look for people to intimidate and ruin financially or threaten legally.

Can you imagine if all of the non gays or those who respectfully disagree with the gay lifestyle were to use the same tactics? Like finding all businesses, corporations or any organization this is pro gay and boycotting it simply because it is gay?

This continues to be epitome of hypocrisy.

kmtown
Danville, IN

I have found it interesting that whenever a Traditional Marriage rally has taken place at the Statehouse, it has always been attended by SSM supporters who holler and carry on, yet when SSM people have their rally, Traditional Marriage people do not try to interrupt their proceedings. It tells which side is willing to be civil, and which side will go to any length to get their way.

It also is a telling sign of our day--not just with this issue but with others--that if a group has enough episodes of civil disobedience, agitation, and even rioting, then that group must be right. In other words, the ends justify the means.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

I am proud to say my 16 year old daughter and I walked in the Pride parade with the Capitol 13 group. Go Gail!

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Marxist,
Not surprising that you would confuse religious doctrine with discrimination. Actually wrong-headed courts have used such “anti-discrimination” statutes to force religious discrimination. They care not for the religious liberties guaranteed in the constitution. Your comment tells me you do not, either.

So long as there are such wrong-headed judges, our religious liberties are in peril ANYWHERE there are such laws that demand we accept a gay lifestyle.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

One day my boss took me off to the side and fired me. He first gave me a long speech about how he had a problem with people like me. Of course he never used the word gay, but it was clear what he meant. I believe somebody I know passed along information about me. Anyway, I wasn't out at the time. I was active in the LDS church and I can not explain how painful that experience was to me! I still have a hard time when LDS people discriminate like he did! I just never seen it until it happened to me. We should all know better than treating somebody in certain ways, but unfortunately there are those who feel that it is just fine to discriminate. I will never understand what they think. I feel that growing up Mormon, I learned a great deal that is good. It is hard for me to see that many people feel that it is ok to degrade and hate others and discriminate. Most gay people in Utah demonstrate peacefully. I hardly ever go. I just don't like it, but it is important to speak out.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

firstamendment

Lehi, UT

Why do they call them "gay rights activists"? Aren't they promoting gay marriage?

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No. This was not about gay marriage. It was about the legislature not bring up the non-discrimination bill that has over a 60% favorability with the citizens of Utah. This has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Lane Myer,
acutally it has everything to do with gay marriage. The legislatire has looked at the bill and also looked at the appeals process for amendment 3. They decided to wait until the amendment 3 issue was settled before acting on such legislation. I think they were wise to do so.

As I mentioned in my previous post, wrong-headed judges have used such statutes to trample religious liberties. If Utah is ultimately succsessful in its appeal, which I pray will happen, then I suspect the legislature will pass such a statute. If Utah is not successful in its appeal, I would hope the legislature which not pass such a statute as it would force people to violate their conscience or give up their livelihood if they are in anything at all related to the wedding industry.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

lost in DC said: "They decided to wait until the amendment 3 issue was settled before acting on such legislation. I think they were wise to do so. "

No they were afraid of what our representatives would say, that would help prove animus towards the LGBT community.
Because they knew full well the same hateful, bigoted comments posted here would be said on the floor.

While wise not to show your true self, if your bigoted and trying to convince the courts you aren't, it's still justice delayed.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@firstamendment/Vanceone

Why do you care so much about gay bars?

@kmtown
" It tells which side is willing to be civil, and which side will go to any length to get their way."

It's not really surprising that the side that has its rights restricted will be more angry about the issue.

@lost in DC
"If Utah is not successful in its appeal, I would hope the legislature which not pass such a statute"

So if you don't get your way you want the legislature to keep discrimination legal?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

HVH
you KNOW why they did that? Really?

You KNOW they were afraid?

you KNOW the thoughts and intents of their hearts?

no, you are just making the usual hateful, bigoted liberal accusations because many of them do not agree with you.

I read in the DN the reasons I stated for them delaying the vote.

What was your source, other than your own disdain for them?

"if your bigoted and trying to convince the courts you aren't, it's still justice delayed."

I am having a hard time understanding what you meant by this.

did you mean "if you're bigoted..."?

your see, "you're" is a contraction of "you are", but "your" is second person possessive. It does make a difference and makes your comments more easily understood.

But I see you do not argue the fact that such statutes have been used to deny religious liberties, you just went on the attack against the legislature and posters who do not agree with you.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

They have a right to peacefully protest and petition the government for change.... but they DON'T have the right to force people to do what they want, or physically prevent them from getting to their work.

When you get physical and won't let people get to their work... you have broken the law.

At least it ended short of assault. If they had gotten more physical with people as they tried to get through... they would be facing more than a misdemeanor.

This is no big deal. Let's just hope the protests stay peaceful and civil, and don't turn into the kind of riots and stuff we had in Wisconsin when the Liberals didn't get their way...

USU-Logan
Logan, UT

@firstamendment
"Why do they call them "gay rights activists"? Aren't they promoting gay marriage?"

Isn't the right to marriage for gay couples a part of gay rights? then why cannot call them gay right activists?

and FYI, just because you would like to interpret Judge Walker's ruling in a certain way, does not mean it is the right way.
At least 30+ different courting rulings don't share your "interpretation". and not even a single federal court shares your opinion.

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