Best line all year: "Simply winning one head-to-head game doesn't
prove you are the better team..." ROTFL!!! Yeah, I suppose the team that
at no time threatened to win the game must be better. That is rich!!!
I don't get why BYU cares ? I mean.. if Utah is such a lousy program as
all cougar fans point out by comparing win/loss records, then why do they want
them on the schedule ? It just tarnishes their win-loss records and keeps them
from their "quest for perfection"
@ Cali blueYour claim might have some merit if Utah's SOS
wasn't in the top 10. It's weird that a team with one of the weakest
schedules in the country is trying to call out another team with one of the
strongest. But I guess you aren't bothered by that huge piece of irony.
Utah, too afraid to schedule, too scared to play.
I don't blame Whittingham. He is in survival mode right now.
UteologyAs usual, you throw up a bunch of straw man arguments, but
you don't come close to actually refuting the fact that the series has been
extremely close for the last 17 years.As proof, the average score in
those 14 games decided by a touchdown or less:BYU 20.1Utah
21.0less than a point, with Utah winning a very slight 8 to 6
majority.btw, since you brought it up, since 1993:AP Top
25 FinishesBYU 7Utah 511+ Win SeasonsBYU 5Utah 210+ Win SeasonsBYU 8Utah 6Conference
ChampionshipsBYU 6Utah 5Bowl GamesBYU 15Utah
@UteanymousOne play - a missed FG, a completed pass, a fumble, an
interception, an official's call - has often been THE deciding factor in
most of the last 17 games. Whether you're willing to admit it, or not, the
series has been extremely close for the last 17 seasons.----------One play? Keep dreaming. Why 17 years?
That's odd number? Lets go back to 1993, when Utah finally started playing
some football thanks to McBride. Utah 14-7 (66%) vs BYU... before that Utah was
horrible and BYU used to dominate.Those number are similar to the
last 10 years, the difference are the beat-downs.In 10 years, 30% of
the time Utah blows out BYU (even at LES). Over the same period BYU has a
winning percentage of 30% vs Utah (70%), all BYU wins less than 6 points.
WA_Alum&DadMarysville, WASince the "consensus" is
to never have BYU play Utah again tell Cougar fan, Bronco and Holmoe to stop
whining for the game.BYU needs to keep doing what their
"fans" enjoy - play inferior opponents and play in a meaningless bowl
game. Maybe they can then conjure up some obscure stat not related to who
actually wins on the field to convince themselves who is the better team.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteologyNobody
claimed BYU was Stanford, but the same principle applies.Simply
winning one head-to-head game doesn't prove you're the better team.-----------What does beating cupcakes?Utah
3-0BYU 6-0I agree but we didn't simply beat BYU, we also
beat the #10 team in the nation and went 5-7.
Among the group of BYU fans I watch games with here in the Great Northwest, I
don't know one who pines for missing "rivalry" games with Utah.
Utah is a regional school in a relatively small media market that is already
dominated by our team. Beating Utah does little for our SOS, and losing to them
means a year of obnoxiousness from their fan base. The consensus is it would be
great if BYU never played Utah again.
UteologyNobody claimed BYU was Stanford, but the same principle
applies.Simply winning one head-to-head game doesn't prove
you're the better team. In basketball, teams frequently split a
home-and-home season series. The exact same thing happens in the NFL. And it
would obviously happen more often in college football if teams played more
home-and-home season series - see Alabama-LSU just a couple of years ago.Despite your hyperbole, 14 of last 17 head-to-head games being decided
by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, proves that
winning the rivalry game is far from a given.One play - a missed FG,
a completed pass, a fumble, an interception, an official's call - has often
been THE deciding factor in most of the last 17 games. Whether you're
willing to admit it, or not, the series has been extremely close for the last 17
@ 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0I'm responding to BYU posters
and having a civil discussion. You are just making a bunch of noise trying to
get attention. Big difference. Hopefully someday you understand
how much better it is to cheer for a team, and not against somebody else. But
to each their own...
CGOrem, UTRiley"Even when Utah wins, USU or
BYU still claim to be better"That's because they usually
are.Seasons are judged on overall success, not on single game
success.Ask any fan in the PAC 12 living outside the crimson bubble
"who was better, Utah or Stanford?" and we all know what the answer will
be.------------------Let me say it for the 100th time:
BYU is not Stanford:* Stanford: ranked #10, PAC-12 Champion, 9-3 vs
P5 teams, beat 4 ranked teams* BYU: ranked #34 (Utah #33), 2-5 vs P5
teams, beat 3 ranked teams in 18 yearsStanford was an upset, beating
BYU is a given.
!SwoopSalt Lake City, UT"I wonder what's going to
happen when the rivalry swings back in "Utah's favor"?"It'll first swing in BYU's favor and you'll see a repeat
of 1972 to 1991 where BYU wins 18 of the next 20.------------Here's a suggestion, first try beating a 5-7 Utah team this decade,
then worry about beating us 18 of the next 20 years.You have a
better chance of making the playoffs this year than winning 18 of 20 over Utah.
Utah juniors without a bowl game"BYU is soon going to be playing
only other mid majors, as the big boy conferences are moving towards only
playing each other."Only in your dreams.An all P5 vs
P5 will never happen because too many of the big boys like playing a 7 game home
schedule, unless, of course, bottom dwelling P5s like Utah were willing to play
7 road games.Besides, an all P5 schedule would be the death knell
for Utah football. Without their automatic Big Sky win, the Utes would never
again finish above .500 to qualify for a bowl.RES would soon begin
to look like the Huntsman the last few years, a vast seas of empty red chairs.
@Sweep: It may well be that the mid-majors may end up playing each other only.
But how great it will be to play other teams that we are competitive with and
the game is in doubt until the 4th quarter. With Utah's inability to
recruit against anyone in the PAC 10+2 other than Colorado, how long do you
think it will be until Utah is continually having 1-11 or 2-10 seasons. I do not
think entertainment and enjoyment wise that the mid-majors are in as big as
trouble as you predict. I think winning a conference we belong in and being
competitive in every game is going to be far more enjoyable that being the
perennial doormat of the PAC 10+2. Utah has been there 3 years running with no
forseen improvement. I am not so sure we are the ones in trouble. You may make a
lot of money, but have no one at your games. Still Good Luck on your season.
Some pretty foolish statements today from BYU fans regarding Utah not playing
them. I really wish BYU coaches and fans would adopt a more classey
and sportsmanlike profile about their teams. Something like Coach Peterson of U
of WA (formerly Boise State). ust play the game and let your play speak for you.
Stop the hype and the non stop "record breaking" such and such. This goes for talking about doing "service" and having
"quality kids" in your program etc. Just live the principles that you
believe in and that will do more good than any amount of telling people about it
could ever do.
Two for Flinching is almost beating me at number of posts about byU! LOL. byu is soon going to be playing only other mid majors, as the big boy
conferences are moving towards only playing each other.This will
improve college football for the power conferences and ruin football programs
across the nation for mid majors as they will never have marquee games against
big time teams and the money that those games brings will be gone.Sorry mid majors - you're in troubleGo UTES
Considering Utah's almost complete lack of any significant history on a
national scale before 2004 or after 2008, the period between 1972-1991 was
clearly just the beginning of BYU's dominance of Utah on a national
scale.Since 2006, BYU has had almost as many AP Top 25 finishes (5),
as Utah has had in their entire history (4).In the same time period,
BYU has had more 11+ win seasons (3), than the Utes have had in their entire
history (3).As far as record versus P5s, BYU was 2-5(29%) in 2013,
Utah was only 2-7(22%).It's funny how Utah fans only want to
count the last 3 years, not the last 9 years, and not the last year, but exactly
the last 3.Forget the overall record of the current head coaches
versus PAC 12 teams, let's all put on our crimson blinders and only
consider the exact time frame that makes Utah appear to be better than BYU.
Best of luck to the Utes. It is interesting that Coach Whittingham says he does
not really care who is on the schedule. I think in reality he is over
simplifying the situation with that statement. There is no way he wants to lose
to either BYU or USU. It does affect recruiting and does affect instate
perception. I don't think the rivalries are really important outside the
state of Utah. And although I am an Aggie fan, it will take some more wins by
the Aggies over BYU and Utah to really climb back into the rivalry status with
them. But hey I am way excited for our improvement, for the increased respect
nationally. I mean really, who would of thought pre-GA that USU would be
considered to even give mighty Tennessee a game. We won't really miss the
blessing of playing Utah. Tennessee vs Utah as opponents, I will take Tennessee.
Better for national exposure.
@ BlueNtheFace"I'll take BYU's national rep anytime
over UofU and USU. Even without P5 inclusion, we're more feared and
respected across the nation."I'm not sure that's true
anywhere outside of Provo. BYU's record against P5 teams, especially
recently, is really nothing to write home about.
I realize this article revolves around Utah's rivalry with 2 in-state
schools, but what matters most is the national perception. After week 3 or 4, no
one will care about Utah's super sensational SOS. Unless they win, they get
no credit. I'll take BYU's national rep anytime over UofU
and USU. Even without P5 inclusion, we're more feared and respected across
the nation.Thanks for the 2 forfeits, Utes.
The Ute's have a good schedule but in the end all that really matters is
getting to the best bowl game and winning it. That will be a way to see who is
the best team in the state.
If the Utes can find a way to win at least six games, I have a feeling they will
meet the Cougars in a bowl game.....wouldn't that be fun.Not an
easy task, considering the Utes play 3 top 11 teams and 6 top 25 teams (with a
couple others on the cusp). Texas (BYU's toughest opponent), would be the
7th or 8th best team on the Utes schedule. Fresno State is the third worst team
they play and they received some top 25 votes.Toughest schedule in
the nation. Utah going 6 and 6 would be a better accomplishment than BYU going
11 and 1.
@ KenThe goal of Utah's program is not to hurt BYU's
program. Stop being a little brother. Cheer FOR our team, not against another.
BlueCoug,Concern for the future resides in happy valley, not up on
@ SwoopConsidering the history of the rivalry, the period between
1972-1991 was clearly an anomaly. Outside of that time frame BYU hs only beat
Utah 9 times. Think about that.
Its time for these universities to stop playing. We are just doing byu a favor
by giving them a game they need and it doesn't help us, no on sees beating
byu as a quality win - its just a win over a mid major teamLets
further hurt their program by not scheduling them ever again.
ekuteAfter each skin-of-your-teeth win, Utah fans are too busy
storming the field to consider any future plans.
very sad about the loss of the rivalry game.
According to all the Ouija Boards in Cougar Town, the pendulum has officially
swayed in their direction.
After each whoopin' we should make them admit to getting whooped before
awarding them another game.
hey dude"i love the line that says...BYU doesn't count the
games the two schools played against each other when BYU was the academy and not
collge or univeristy... ive noticed that many... like to disallow the games that
utah wins"We can see that you need to retake that English 99R
class, but what makes you think that BYU doesn't count the games when they
were BYA because Utah won?BYA was 3-2 versus Utah.
Riley"Even when Utah wins, USU or BYU still claim to be
better"That's because they usually are.Seasons
are judged on overall success, not on single game success.Ask any
fan in the PAC 12 living outside the crimson bubble "who was better, Utah or
Stanford?" and we all know what the answer will be.And
don't give us your lame, but Utah has won x-number of years in a row.Seasons are judged independently. Just because you finished 8-5 one
season and 5-7 the next, and therefore had a two-year record above 50%,
doesn't mean you were good enough to qualify for a bowl two straight years.
"I wonder what's going to happen when the rivalry swings back in
"Utah's favor"?"It'll first swing in
BYU's favor and you'll see a repeat of 1972 to 1991 where BYU wins 18
of the next 20.
Cletus, You don't "win Idaho" you "beat Idaho." (If you
win something you have to take it home.) That assumes you score the most points
because football is like bowling, not golf. Glad I could clear that up for you.
Winning four straight and suddenly you're too good... LOL! Oh, and the
best one, just ignore Lavells wins and then we really thumped you! Brilliant!
Ute logic at its best, comical!
@arrogant chickensIt's too bad that the Utes ran away from the
rivalry as soon as they realized that the pendulum was about to swing back in
BYU's favor.--------------So true, Utah canceled
the series in 2011. Then thumped BYU by 40 points at LES and have won 4
straight. I wonder what's going to happen when the rivalry swings back in
Of all the points Brad Rock makes in this article, this one drives to the heart
of the subject..."The Team Down South is just another team down
south." -Brad RockWell said, Mr Rock...well said
Our timid little brothers can spin it however helps them sleep at night, but the
truth is, Chris Hill suspended the BYU-Utah rivalry for 2014 and 2015 because he
didn't think the Utes were good enough to play both BYU and Michigan in the
If you take out LaVell's victories of Utah, BYU has only beat Utah 9 times.
NINE. That's a pretty staggering stat. Before 1972 and after 1992 Utah
was and is the big dog in this state.
It's too bad that the Utes ran away from the rivalry as soon as they
realized that the pendulum was about to swing back in BYU's favor.
Utah has arguably the best (toughest) schedule in the nation, certainly one of
the top 10, and you just can't stop crying like a baby about the BYU
(sorry, I don't think you really care about USU). It is almost like you
worked for a company that shared ownership with BYU.Here is an
article that might be interesting, why not ask this question. What should BYU do
to make it worth Utah's while to play them?
Utah wants a new challenge.Utah has beaten BYU 4 in a row, and 9 of
last 12 meetings.BYU has not beaten Utah by more than a TD since 1996.Utah has beaten USU 13 of last 14 meetings.USU has not beaten Utah
by more than a TD since 1979.
@ 81UteI agree 100%
Why would Utah play BYU or USU?Utah doesn't need BYU or USU. A
loss is bad, and a win is like nothing happened.Even when Utah wins,
USU or BYU still claim to be better
When we win idaho really bad it will really help our ranking.Go
These articles are getting a little old. As Ute fan I have never been more
excited for a schedule than I am this year! Cant wait for tomorrow! 22 hours
and counting :)
I will miss the Aggies on the schedule, brothers should play. The cougs, I
won't miss at all (no, they are not a relation).
i love the line that says...BYU doesn't count the games the two schools
played against each other when BYU was the academy and not collge or univeristy.
ive noticed that many of those who post on this site like to
disallow the games that utah wins...thus calling it an amazing undefeated streak
against utah...we had a stronger schedule so we are better...thus we
won.the refs cost us the game...so we are better...thus we won.utah
scored in the last few minutes of the game...if they hadnt we would have
won...so we won.utah only beat us by 3...so we won...byu was an
academy...so those wins dont count....love it.