Hey fellow cougar fans - leave Utah out of this conversation. I could really
care less what they do to be honest... It's annoying when Ute
posters jump on every BYU article. Let's not be like them.Personally, I would have loved to have seen BYU invited to the PAC 10, even if
we were doormats. We didn't get in and so independence is our path. To each
bournesupremacyKaysville, UTKeep on boasting though that utah
is in a P-5 conference cause that is ALL utah will EVER be able to do...utah
will NEVER be more than a Lower to mid team year in and year out in the pac
10.2...utah IS NONE of these teams and NEVER WILL BE...So keep boasting but
realize utah will NEVER, EVER be relevant in college football even being part of
the pac 10.2..."So, let me get this straight...Utah will NEVER,
EVER be in the elite of the elite. Did I get that right? Two decades ago byu
fans said that Utah will NEVER, EVER compete with byu in football. Now, here we
are...a member of the elite (looking down at byu) and working to take the next
step. The only thing your rant proves is that you and your byu friends
don't learn very well. LOL!Look at it this way sport...the
Utes are numbered among the elite the next step is to be a perennial power among
the elite. Will it happen? Who knows but the Utes are in the right place to
take that step. How about your cougs??
A National team is exciting to follow. We lived in Atlanta in 2000 and drove
down to Jacksonville for the Florida State game. It was great to see our team
in person and to meet other BYU fans along the way. I had a phone
conversation with some guys in Hartford the other day, they asked me about my
degree and that it was from BYU and I told them it was a shame my Cougars were
going to be their Huskies. And travel isn't all that bad any
more. It'll end up being a fantastic season.
Taysom "In particular, look at the 2019 schedule... we very well could have
9 or 10 power opponents that season."So basically it will take BYU 10
years to put together a decent schedule as an independent. That's fair.
Things take time - including Utah getting its legs in the PAC12. Utah
hasn't had a full share of revenue yet, and is still building their program
to compete at the next level.Maybe its time to quit being critical
of Utah's sluggish start at the next level, and BYU's sluggish start
to piece together a respectable schedule.
@ bournesupremacyCFB goes in cycles. UW went winless a few years
ago, yet they rebounded quite nicely and have a solid program right now. A
decade ago CU won the North division in the Big-12 back to back. Two decades
ago it had a Heisman winner and won the NC. Duke played in the ACC championship
games last year. Kansas was a BCS team 4 or 5 years ago. It's
ridiculously short sighted to take two 5-7 seasons from Utah and use that to
determine that they will never be able to compete again. Utah will be fine.
@ TheNun,Are you suggesting that the Utes not wanting to schedule
BYU anymore is them just trying to help BYU schedule up? You obviously are not
impressed by BYU playing the bottom-feeders of the P5 conferences.I
get it. BYU would love to be part of a P5 conference and have the built-in
schedule that goes with it. However, I will take the 3-5 P5 games a year that
we are getting via Independence than the possible 1-2 they got as part of the
MWC. BYU is doing the best they can given the current environment.
@hochmut,You keep going on and on about the insignificance of Utah,
now they are in the PAC12, and then list several other teams in P5 conferences
with much disdain. All the while, you fail to mention every team you listed, is
above BYU in the pecking order of college football in terms of relevance. Just
being in a P5 conference ensures that status, regardless of your perception.
Also, not mentioned, is the reason many of the teams you list have mediocre, or
even losing, records, is because they play tough games within a P5 conference,
week in and week out.Contrast this to two other independent teams,
one team looks at the P5 standings and schedules the top 3-4 teams in that
conference, year in and year out. While the other one looks at the same
standings and schedules the bottom 3-4 teams, year in and year out, but then
loudly proclaims: "look at us, we are playing P5 conference teams each
year."Overlooking the facts does not change them.
Thank you Chris B. for appropriately changing your much overused "why
doesn't BYU schedule 9-10 games each season against the big boys" to
"why doesn't BYU schedule 9-10 games each season against power
conference teams." It's nice to know that you recognize the
difference. Yep, BYU has a weak SOS this season, but as the article
points out they are still going to some pretty awesome places to play and those
places change each season. This really is a unique and great opportunity for
both players and fans... at least for fans outside of Utah. It's a bummer
that the worst games on the schedule are at home but that will change with time.
@ute seniors - ok lets get realistic here. utah is NOT a P-5 team. They might
be in the pac 10.2 but they are no different than Colorado, Duke, Kansas,
Kentucky, Indiana, Minnesota, or Rutgers (should I list more?). Keep on
boasting though that utah is in a P-5 conference cause that is ALL utah will
EVER be able to do. I'm being realistic and not just a utah hater (which I
am). utah will NEVER be more than a Lower to mid team year in and year out in
the pac 10.2. Lets take a look at this. since 1998 here are the N.C.'s -
Alabama(3), Florida(2), Florida St(2), LSU(2), Auburn, Miami, Oklahoma, Ohio St,
Tennessee, Texas all with 1. And USC's that was vacated. utah IS NONE of
these teams and NEVER WILL BE (kind of how it is always stated that BYU will
never be ND) So keep boasting but realize utah will NEVER, EVER be relevant in
college football even being part of the pac 10.2 (just another Wake Forest).
So, 2013 ute seniors call when utah is ACTUALLY relevant, sadly for you I will
never receive that call.
Hold everything. Check out today's newspaper (SOME newspapers) by John
Marshall of the Associated Press, "Referees want to take it slow".
"Too much rushing around, hurrying and trying to be speedy about getting the
ball in play and it sort of put the defense at a disadvantage."! What is
this going to do to the "go fast, go hard" offensive schemes of teams
like Utah and BYU? The article can probably be accessed on line. This does not
seem to be good news.
BYU pursues quality games with legendary opponents in any venue and is partnered
with the Leader in sports broadcasting, ESPN promoting the Y brand. Even Notre Dame, when faced with canceling long standing rivalries with
storied programs in their back yard kept their commitment to BYU for at least 1
game. Time will tell how the remaining scheduled games will go but BYU has had
the good fortune of hosting Notre Dame and being hosted 4 times in South
Bend.Other than Notre Dame, is there another independent university
with more opportunities than BYU? I dare say there are none. As
much as Y haters bite at the heals of BYU, I say, "The dogs may bark but the
caravan moves on".
50 Years living in So Cal and USC/UCLA was our annual grudge match. It was
exciting and usually determined the Pac8 championship; I don't ever recall
seeing bumper and window stickers with PAC8 or later PAC10 on cars to say how
great they were--the Trojans and Bruins just played good football and let their
performance speak for themselves. When Utah figures this out they may elevate
themselves from being equal to WSU, Oregon State, AZ and Colorado in their
conference. Until then they will just be no more relevant as any of P5 doormats
like Indiana, Illnois, NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Tex Tech, Kansas, Mississippi, MSU,
KY, Tenn, Vandy, NC State, Wake, and the list goes on; When all is said and
done, there are only about 10 teams in the country that are P5 quality and Utah
is not one of them.
Chris B (Senior sweep)"Call when you guys are playing 9-10 games
against power conferences."Call when you win at least 4 games
against said competition. Utah is a mid-major in P5 clothing.Oh, and
ute seniors have been swept by ASU since 1981.
@ taysom,Yes, you are correct in saying Chris Hill switched playing BYU
for a chance to schedule games with Michigan. And, since Utah is playing the
single most difficult schedule in college football this year, it becomes
apparent he knows what he's talking about when he mentions strength of
schedule as being a factor in deciding to not play them both in the same
year.Contrast this to BYU's schedule, where last year's
combined record for this year's opponents is 10 games below .500. Typical
scheduling, 5-6 sure wins, 2-3 50/50 games, and 1-2, true tests. Then at the end
of the year, the cry of dismay when BYU is not considered relevant in the
national college scene. And, they claim, "we'll go anywhere
and play anyone", just as long as the "anyone" isn't too good
as they only have room for a couple good teams on the cupcake laden schedule
The great advantage of independence is that we can play all over the country.
These are better trips for the fans and the players. There is more
sportsmanship and the games are fun. Would you rather go to Notre Dames and
Michigan or Utep and Wyoming. I don't miss the fans & teams of the
MWC. The question is if the independence model will work over time.
@UteSeniorsBYU will play on National TV on a Major Network this
week, just as they will every week.Meanwhile, your Utes will play
Pocatello Tech and nobody cares.Utah isn't even a mid-major
within their own league. There are 10-15 non-P-5 programs suprior to the U
and another 40 P-5 programs which have more panache than U.Get back
to us when Utah is worthy of one of 76 Bowl invites.Nobody cares about
Conference Doormats.Ask the programmers at ESPN who has more appeal.
Yes BYU gets to travel and yes BYU is not in a P5 conference but where the
Cougars are is much better than being a cellar dweller like another local team.
There is good and bad in everything.And just remember this, when the power
conferences reduce again so that they can keep even more money, you will then be
on the outside looking in and not capable of being an independent. Oh well,
maybe you could play Snow and SUU.
@2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0"each big boy conference recently
made it clear byu is not power conference quality and won't count as a
mandatory game against a big boy that conferences are implementing."Well, 2 of the 5 conferences said that (the ACC and SEC), but, hey, why
let a pesky thing like the truth get in the way, huh?“They’re a school that’s got a great reputation, a great
history of success, I’d consider it a high-quality matchup when our teams
play against them.” -Larry Scott
@Ute Seniors"Call when you guys are playing 9-10 games against
power conferences."Looking at our future schedules, most of them
will have at least 5 power 5 teams if not more. In particular, look at the 2019
schedule:Wisconsin, Virginia, USC, Washington, Washington State,
Boise State. That's 6 games scheduled so far with 5 being against P5 teams
and 1 against a top-tier group of 5 team. Throw in a likely game with utah
(assuming the series gets back on track), and, if the Notre Dame series holds
up, a game against the Irish, and you've got 7 out of 8 games against P5
teams.Who knows where the schedule could go from there, but we very
well could have 9 or 10 power opponents that season. BYU is not afraid to play
anybody in any location. It has just taken a while for our schedules to be
deeper with power teams.utah, on the other hand, backed out of a
series with a mid-major because, according to their very own athletic director,
the schedule would be too hard with Michigan and BYU in the same year.
I think it is great the team gets to travel so much!One of the most
wonderful things I did in college was join a performing group that traveled
during the summer. I still feel gratitude for the opportunity to travel and
learn so much from visiting other cultures and making a wide variety of friends
(even within America).Traveling taught me to feel very grateful for
America and the blessings I enjoy in my life. And I think there is nothing
better to open the eyes of young men (and women) to the realities of other
people's lives than travel!
We're super excited to have BYU play in Connecticut this year. Last year we
traveled to Charlottesville and saw them play UVa. There were probably 15,000
BYU fans in the stands and we made lots of noise. We met fans from Maine,
Massachusetts, Georgia, Kansas, Alabama - all over the eastern half of the US.
All the Virginia fans asked us if we were from Utah - "There are Mormons in
Connecticut??" they said. They were great hosts IMO.I expect
this year will be no different. We know people in wards around our area with 20
or more people going to the game. We heard the same in Boston last weekend. This
is a big deal to have our team in our backyard and to be able to meet the
players at the fireside Thursday night and have our youth see great young LDS
role models. We passed through Hartford last Sunday and saw a big TV
Screen advertising the home opener with BYU. What a great promo for BYU and the
church. Go Cougs!!!