I liked watching Motum play in the summer league. He plays hard. But at the
end of the day, he does nothing to make the Jazz better as a team as far as
winning more games. The other signing is a complete joke. Lindsey is a bust.
He has not added one free agent that will have an impact on this team since he
arrived in Utah. His only accomplishment was to draft the best player available
this year and a two year old could have done that with no pay. This Jazz team
as constructed by Lindsey is the worst team to play in Utah since Gentle Ben was
in a Jazz uniform. It's sad Larry is not still alive to hold him
accountable and send him packing.
You could add a big name free agent, but unless you are playing for a
championship, What is the point?A few more wins and a worse draft
choice doesn't benefit you in the long run.You are better off
building slowly and from the draft. Except this they traded away a nice power
forward with potential they drafted in the second round, and signed Motum?But I would also agree that signing a bunch of nobodies that do
absolutely nothing for you and have no potential, seems pointless as well.You would be better off trying to find diamonds in the rough, like that
guy in the second round.
To the sage: Did you really expect the Jazz to sign a rookie with potential just
to keep him on the bench?To CJ Miles: I'm really glad you
aren't calling the shots. Building a small-market team into a contender
takes time, and signing the biggest free agent they can isn't going to make
the Jazz any better unless there is a solid supporting cast. Unlike some fans,
who demand immediate success, Lindsey also has to look at the long-term
strategy, building a team rather than just making the playoffs once in a while.
Why do people expect every signing to be blockbuster anyway? Even if
the Jazz still had the money to sign a free agent that would likely make an
immediate difference, it seems doubtful that they would do so. They have some
good young players to develop. Give the young guys and new coach a chance to
show what they can do. After a year or two, then the Jazz can seriously shop for
free agents that will fit within the new system and core of players.
Looks like Lindsay has put together a great D League Team! Ohhh that's
right we play in the NBA! Well I'm not impressed and I don't throw
good money after bad. A 30 win season don't cut it and we only have to look
forward to the lottery next year with maybe a top 5 pick. The Jazz I use to know
took a lot of pride in winning but that was under the late Larry H Miller. He
had fire in his belly and was a great competitor. He would never just let assets
walk away like Big Al and Paul. It's funny that it was a small market then
as now but we retained our core and made great trades like Horny and signed some
some key players like Big Dog. Yes those were the days when I looked forward to
the Jazz season. Now I look forward to D League signings and the Lotter! :(
CJ MilesYou are totally clueless when it comes to building a team.
You think you can win a championship without a superstar. Lindsey was behind the
signing Danny Green and Gary Neal. So I trust him way more than I do you.
If the Bobcats and the Hawks were playing in the west, they wouldn't have
made the playoffs. Jefferson and Millsap are nothing special.
Thanks Grey Wolf for injecting some meaningful comments to offset these other
"glass half empty" whiners. To CJ Miles, "the other signing is a
complete bust" comment comes from what special sphere of knowledge available
to you? Murry is a player that came on at the end of last season for the Knicks
and had a great summer league. The Knicks wanted him back but the Carmelo
signing tied their hands. The Lakers and Heat also were interested in Murry but
the Jazz look like they have the best shot at him. All those condemning Lindsey
after one year on the job are blowing my mind. The Jazz were mediocre at best
before Lindsey and he has only had one year to start assembling his team and a
coach of his choosing. I'm sure the Jazz will not make the playoffs this
year and to expect them to is not reasonable. Lindsey deserves some time and our
patience to put these pieces together before judging him this early.
Danny Green and Gary Neal are no super stars. LOL Gary Neal hasn't done
anything since leaving the Spurs. The Super Stars are Tim Duncan and Tony Parker
and were their way before Lindsay Pop is the man with the Spurs and put that
team together, Yes we will see in time if Lindsay can put together a
Championship Team in Utah. If so, then give him the credit. You don't throw
assets away for nothing, and he dd so on his watch! It takes 2 Stars to at
least be competited and 3 Stars to have a chance to win it all. We have no stars
at this point and no chance at getting any at this point. That use to not be the
case under Larry H Millwr. Under Larry we got D Will, the Money Man, Boozer,
and AK47. Some was drafted and some was signed as free agents. Why aren't
we doing that now?
I can't stop laughing. Murry had a great summer league? Who cares. Murry
is an end of the bench warmer and nothing more. I am not a "glass half
full" whiner. I deal in reality. And the reality is that Lindsey let
Millsap and Jefferson walk for nothing so he could sign a bunch of below average
players to fill the team player page. Hayward has been in the league long
enough to either be a player or not. He doesn't get a hall pass from me.
Neither does Favors. The Jazz have a ton of young players to compliment some
better than average Vets on the team. But Lindsey won't go sign them.
Building this team slowly just means that he won't have enough money in 3
years to keep his assets. And stop the small market stuff. The Jazz won for
years and years in the same market. With TV revenue, there isn't anything
named a small market. Everyone has the same amount of money to spend if they
choose to spend it. I guess I didn't know that Gary Neal and Danny Green
were the reason San Antonio won a championship
This is Lindsay 3rd year. He was here when Paul and Big Al played there last
season here. He was part of drafting Trey and Rudy. We had plenty of money to
spend and threw it at D League players. It will take years to turn this around
at the rate Lindsay is going. You can not take away Paul making the all star
team and Big Al's taking his team to the playoffs. Those my friends are
assets in the NBA and hard to come by. Plus Paul was thought of enough o be
invited to USA Team tryouts. We got nothing out of them so what type of GM gets
nothing out all star players? We in trouble with this direction and mindset. We
are now the Clippers of the NBA West.
@super coolThis was Lindsey's 1st year in charge. Before that he was
the assistant to Kevin O Conner. Here are some other factual Jazz history
tidbits you might enjoy feasting on.1) Larry Miller did not bring the 4
Jazz players you mentioned to the team. He just signed their paychecks but was
smart enough to turn the job of director of player personnel to Kevin O
Conner.2)The 4 players you mentioned were brought in over the long career
of Kevin O Conner, not in his first year at the helm.3)You conveniently
did not mention all the players brought in under KOC that didn't pan out.
Don't get me wrong as I was a fan of KOC but every director of player
personnel will have some winners and losers over their career. But you
can't compare Lindsey after 1 year in charge to the previous boss's
career. Also don't forget that these players were coached by a
hall of fame coach and not Corbin.Your welcome.
I can't wait for DL to create a winning team and all of you who second
guessed him jump on the bangwagon and pretend you are sooo glad he is the GM...
I'm missing something. Are these people being signed for the practice
roster to be cut when the season starts or do the Jazz now have the ability to
sign players essentially for the D league and retain some kind of hold on
them?These people are all good players and one or all could make it
in the NBA plus they have been around and have had time to get their heads on
straight.As for the current team, I'm saying the Jazz are going
to rise like the Suns did last year except better. Lindsey is building for the
future but he wants to win now.I hated to see Millsap and Big Al go
but it was either them or the current front line. The Jazz had/have too much
invested in two No. 3 draft choices to not give them a chance to play. I think
Burkes is a bust but Favors, the Turk and the Frenchman backed by Evans and the
free agent is a front line that can compete. Hayward, Burke and Evans at the
wings and point is the question in my mind. Exum is here and Nito is on ice.
All I'm saying is Larry would have taken this Team in a different direction
and we would have been competited and not lost players but found ways to keep
the Jazz at a high level.
Hood, Exum, Favors and Hayward are players you need on a team to win
championships. However, Hayward is not the player you build your team around in
the NBA. All Lindsey had to do this year was go sign one above average free
agent or have kept either Millsap or Jefferson and I wouldn't be down on
him. But he did neither and for that reason, he is going to win 30 games again
this year. With a front line of Favors, Kanter and Jefferson and a backcourt of
Burke, Hayward, Hood and Exum, I would be feeling good about things. But the
current Jazz team can't score enough points to win in the NBA and they
needed Jefferson for that reason or a Millsap. Beyond that, you let Carroll
walk to sign a bunch of no-namers. Bad managing of an NBA team
We haven't even discussed the hiring of the new head coach. Why would you
bring in a coach with no head coaching experience in the NBA to coach a bunch of
kids? Because you are following the trend? Teams that went deep in the
playoffs were not coached by new young coaches. Coaches like Kidd, etc went out
early. You can't buy experience, you have to earn it. Lindsey could have
found a veteran coach like Mark Jackson to lead a young team.
Just saw on nbadraft.net that Big Al listed as the 3rd best center n the league
and Milsap the 9th best PF in the league. Did the Jazz have either a PF or
Center in the top ten in the NBA? NO! Doesn't make much sense what the
@Super Cool Grandpa......So if I am hearing you right, the Jazz got rid of two
of the better players in the league in order to see if Kanter might or could
improve his game to be as good as the two they got rid of? Makes total sense to
me if you are trying to tank. Favors deserves to get playing time. But Al or
Paul could have stayed without breaking the bank.
Super cool GrandpaSo if these guys were so good. Why couldnt they
get it done with the Jazz? Why couldnt they win a playoff game? They are
mediocre. The reason they were better was because they were in the east. I never
said Green and Neal were superstars. You did. But they came in as players who
were undrafted or were a joke when they played before.
People like to bring up the past but they werent good enough to win. Im glad the
past was done. I wanted the Jazz to do this after the 2009-2010 season.
Demarre Caroll wasnt a RFA. Who says the Jazz let him walk? Maybe he wasnt going
to resign no matter what.
Yes that's what I'm saying! In the NBA you can not let talent just
walk away for nothing and that's what Kevin and Dennis did. They should
have traded one and kept the other. The players we have, have little trade value
at this point, maybe Hayward but no one will want his contract. Kevin and Dennis
tanked the Jazz and now we are several years away from fielding a competed
team. By the time it happens Hayward will have left cause we don't want to
pay him or cause he's tired of losing. Kanter and Burks are up for new
contracts next summer and we probably let one of them walk also. We need someone
with vision and and a since of direction, if we want to win a NBA Championship.
The Jazz fans want it bad but I question if the organization wants it as bad as
the fans are they happy to just make money every year just like the old Clippers
Man in charge, enjoy winning 30 games this year. Enjoy winning 35 next year.
Enjoy the lottery year after year, never getting ahead cause we always letting
good players leave whatever the reason. At this point we are the farm team for
the NBA, developing them for the teams that want to win and make the playoffs.
How long did it take Millsap and Big Al to develop? It usually takes years for
a non-superstar to develop into a quality player. Millsap and Big Al would be
decent fourth and third options on a championship team. I'm also willing
to bet neither of them will be. How do you know they wanted to come back? You
don't, so it's silly to bring it up. The jazz are hoping at least a
couple players on the current roster are far better than above-average starters
in an awful conference. You don't find that out unless you play them.
Hopefully it takes less time than it took Big Al and Millsap to develop and
hopefully one or two of them turn out to be better. Regarding the coaching
staff, they've all had headcoach experience at some level and showed
promise, they've all shown strong ability to develop, and none of them are
Mark Jackson or Jason Kidd. Hallelujah. Saint Millsap had high praise for
Coach Snyder by the way.
Super Cool Grandpa in OremMaybe we should sign DeMarcus Cousins. He
was ranked as the 3rd best center on Beacher Report. There's more to
winning than big numbers on bad teams in great conferences and marginal playoff
contenders in bad conferences. Did you want Boozer back too?
I would gladly take Boozer back for what LA is paying for him. In the NBA, you
need players who can score 20 a night. Boozer and Jefferson could do that for
the Jazz. Hayward, you never know what he is going to do on any given night.
When it's all said and done, I think Exum and Hood will be the two best
players after 3 years. In my opinion, the Jazz only needed to add one all-star
type player to the team to make the playoffs next year. But Lindsey
wouldn't even approach the idea. Maybe he will shock me and make a trade
Guys that can score 20+ points per game might be nice, but they certainly
aren't necessary. Look at San Antonio in 2013-14. Not a single player on
that team averaged 20 points per game, even in the playoffs.Would it
be nice to get an all-star caliber player? Absolutely, but getting one and
keeping one are two different things. Personally, I suspect the Jazz will have
better luck developing young players they draft the way San Antonio has done
than trying to sign a big name free agent. That isn't to say that I think
they should pass up opportunities to make the team better. However, the ultimate
goal is winning titles, and building a team that can do that is different than
building a team that just wins a few games in the playoffs.
@ CJ Miles and Super Gramps:The way you two carry on, one would
think you were both super accomplished and notable executives in the NBA... and
that if the Millers were smart, they'd simply turn the reigns over to you
two and then cast all worries aside. The Jazz would then be
championship contenders until you two either took your high-in-demand talents
elsewhere or decided to retire. We could then rename the Jazz center and a
couple of streets after you... just after dedicating the statues made in your
honor.Wow! I've learned so much from your insightful comments.
I'm sure the Millers, the GM and the Jazz coach all have as well. In behalf
of all of us, thanks so much for your unsolicited advice and comments. And to
think it was free of charge, no less!
@Loconic:So you must be a sheep? Just follow the status quo and
believe in all the lies that are being sold to the fans? You tell me one thing
Lindsey has done to improve this team other than draft the two best players
available when it was his turn? If an NBA franchise wants to charge huge prices
for tickets, then deliver a product that is worth the value in return. Lindsey
has made this team worse since he arrived but you keep thinking that they are
making things better while you waste your money on a bad product. And a street
named after me would be an insult. I want the arena named after me along with a
shrine in the front next to Stockton and Malone.
Last time I checked every player you sign is NOT a star or on your starting
lineup. Somebody has to be a backup.CJ Miles complains about
letting Al and Paul go. Sorry Al was a ball-stopping black hole who has NEVER
equated to contending in his career despite his low post abilities. He is
expensive window-dressing on a losing team.I think Millsap could
have been a nice complement to Favors. Once again though the Jazz have decided
to give Kanter and Favors a go together. Kanter has already put together
stretches that Paul only dreamed of this early in his career. Give him a bit of
time.Unless you are signing LeBron, Durrant, Tony Parker, or Chris
Paul I'm sorry..you are arranging deck chairs on the titanic because you
are not winning or even sniffing a championship.May as well let the
young guys play and pick your winners and losers and THEN make some moves to
complement what you have.The upper tier of the league is established
now. Hopefully the Jazz will be on the upswing as some of these stars
deteriorate as they get older.
I have read many comments from those claiming to be fans, and there are always
those who don't like what the management of the Jazz do. They operate under
the constraints of the real world, unlike fans, who can imagine any possibility
and who then get mad at someone for not turning that into reality.Last time I checked, building a title contender was not a quick process (at
least not for most teams). Signing the "right" free agent(s)is easy to
talk about, but much harder to actually do. Contrary to what some seem to think,
the Jazz don't have the option of just going out and signing anyone they
want (even the Lakers can't do that). They have to consider all the many
factors involved, and compete with multiple other teams. They also have to
consider things like money and how a player would fit on a team, in a system,
and with a coach.