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College football predictions: How will 2014 unfold for BYU, Utah and Utah State?

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  • Bungus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 30, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    Love to look back on the Cougar comments and predictions of how well Utah will do...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    So then the purpose of the BCS was to match up the two teams with the best seasons, not to match up the two best teams?

    I can agree that they are related, but I think the primary purpose is to rank the best teams, not the best seasons. Arguments could be made that Utah was better, but arguments could be made that BYU was better as well.

    Often the term "better" needs to be better defined. When I talk about a team being a better team, I mean overall throughout the season. On the other hand, one could say that a team was better that day. Just like many teams are better in November than they are in September, teams have ups and downs. Suppose that this next year the Utah Jazz go 3-1 against the Lakers. Are they the better team? Not necessarily; they were probably just the better team on the day they played.

    I consider Utah to have been the better team that day, but BYU was the better team that season. You may disagree, but that's the way I see it.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    @ skywalker

    My rhetoric centers around this line, "They are often related, but they not the same thing.", and I believe that fully. Upsets happen and I think Stanford was the better team last season. However, the 2011 season illustrates my point perfectly. despite finishing ranked lower in the polls, I think Utah was a much better team than BYU.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 29, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    You're splitting hairs - I seriously doubt that you believe your own rhetoric when it comes to polls ranking the best seasons versus the best teams.

    It's doubtful you could find a single Stanford fan who would agree that Utah was better than Stanford last season.

    You might have a weak argument if both teams were closely ranked and the lower-ranked team beat the higher-ranked team head-to-head, but even then it wouldn't be conclusive.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    Polls rank teams based on the best season, they don't necessarily rank the best team. They are often related, but they not the same thing. BYU had a better season in 2011, based on W/L record. But were they a better team than Utah? I think a really strong argument can be made that Utah was the better.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    Everybody knows that Utah is clearly better than BYU especially because of their 54-10 victory over BYU 3 years ago. What I just don't understand is why on earth all the sports experts and pollsters and ranking experts live in denial about Utah's superiority over BYU (silly them, although that one guy did finally get it right when he ranked Utah higher than BYU by less than a single point in one single poll). The only explanation is that BYU fans must be paying them off or something like that to make them all think that BYU is better. But we Utahns know the real truth that all the experts and football fans outside Utah seem to miss, and that is that there is no doubt that Utah is far superior to BYU in every way!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Oh the horror of seeing a team you "throttled" early in the season finish well ahead of U in the rankings at the end of the season.

    BYU - #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin
    Utah - no votes in either poll, #39 Sagarin

    It's funny how you pull out the "but Utah was ranked ONE place ahead of BYU" card in 2013, but refuse to accept the fact that BYU finished FIVE places ahead of U in Sagarin in 2011, and significantly ahead of U in both major polls.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    @Utenymous

    Yes it does; so there! Who is "frantic and emotional"? That phrase grows old and tiresome.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    Rockwell, scenic view, etc.

    Oh the horror of getting absolutely throttled at home by your rival, 54-10.

    Manfred knows this by the stats that I have provided regarding Utah and BYU vs. the PAC 12 over the last 3 years. Mark down the last 4 scores from the BYU-Utah game. Mark down 2-5 which is BYU's record vs the PAC 12 since Utah has been a member. Pretty cool how you hope, prey and rely on other teams to do what yours can't; simply beat Utah. Also thanks for ignoring the statistics I reference; par for the course.

    Just the FAX

    Let's discuss the entire season from last year; shall we? Enlighen us on who finished ranked higher per the Sagarin rankings. The rankings that are based on an entire season.

    At 2fer

    Thanks for the tag team help. It was an easy match today. It's as if we went up against a couple of blue tree stumps. Have a good one Guy; and Have a good Evening.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    twofer

    re: "Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not named Utah."

    "That's absolutely not true."

    Despite your frantic and emotional claim, that is an absolutely true statement.

    "Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not named Utah."

    Scoring margin doesn't in any way, shape, or form invalidate that statement.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    Marked it Down

    It seems that our friends on the hill are still struggling with the basic concept that one game does not an entire season define.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    Manfred Man

    "That fact of the matter is the league has improved substantially since after the 2011 season and none of the teams in the state would do any better than what Utah has been able to do..."

    And you know this how?

    Because your personal opinion trumps the personal opinion of everybody else?

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    SpokaneUte

    "2011 was the year Utah won at BYU 54-10. Mark that down!"

    Yet, Utah ended the season unranked after getting dominated by a 10-loss team at home.

    While BYU ended the season ranked in the Top 25 after beating a much higher ranked bowl opponent than Utah played.

    Mark that down!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 28, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    2fer

    BYU finished in the Top 25; Utah did not.

    BYU was ranked higher in Sagarin than Utah.

    BYU beat a higher ranked bowl opponent.

    And, unlike Kyle, who has a history of losing to fellow conference bottom dwellers - see Wyo, UNM, CSU, UNLV and Colorado - Bronco was undefeated against MWC bottom dwellers, and there's no reason to believe he would have lost a home game at the end of the season to lowly PAC 12 bottom dweller Colorado.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    Marked it Down

    Hmmm, 2011 was the year Utah won at BYU 54-10. Mark that down!

    This is too easy.

    Twofer

    Our friends from down south are struggling. Anything, and I mean anything, but admit the truth on the subject. They claim BYU would do better than Utah in the PAC 12, but they can't find any shred of evidence to support this position. Imagine that.

  • Manfred Man Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    These arguments over who would do better in the Pac-12 are silly. That fact of the matter is the league has improved substantially since after the 2011 season and none of the teams in the state would do any better than what Utah has been able to do i.e. not very well.

    I can't help but feel it's BYU's way of coping with the repeated losses to the Utes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    @ LonestarRunner

    "Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not named Utah."

    That's absolutely not true. The two PAC-12 teams BYU beat, Utah also beat. By a wider margin for that matter.
    2011 BYU 38 - OSU 28. Utah 28 - OSU 6
    2012 BYU 30 - WSU 6. Utah 49 - WSU 6

    On top of that Utah has beaten BYU 4 years in a row.

    "Overall, BYU has been better."

    This is 100% false, as you can see.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    SpokaneUte

    "The PAC 12 has been very strong the last 3 years."

    Nope, the PAC 12, especially the PAC 12 South, was extremely weak in 2011, yet even then, the Utes couldn't get by the lowly 10-loss Buffs to claim a division in which the only team besides Utah that finished with a winning record was on probation.

    BYU wouldn't have lost to the Buffs and BYU did finish in the Top 25, so yes, BYU would have performed better against the PAC 12 in 2011.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Bingo! Look how UCLA, ASU, Arizona and OSU have all improved.

    Lonestar

    Utah was 7-3 vs the PAC 10 leading up to joining the conference. Look what they have done since. The PAC 12 has been very strong the last 3 years. The recent numbers don't lie. Anyone who thinks BYU would be performing any better than Utah is only kidding them self. Some glaring statistics support this position; BYU is 2-5 vs the PAC 12 since Utah joined the conference. None of the two wins have come against a team with a winning record. They have lost 3 in row to PAC 12 schools, and 3 in a row to Utah. Don't take Utah out of the equation to try and some how justify your stance; that's weak sauce. You can attempt to go back in time to try and support your argument; but recent history and statistics speak for them self. FYI, last year Utah finished ranked higher and beat BYU; yet BYU would have performed better in the conference? Yeah, right!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    2fer

    The same argument could be made for the USC team BYU faced in 2003 and 2004, versus the team Utah has faced since 2011. It could also be make about the Colorado team BYU faced in the 90's versus the team Utah has faced since 2011.

    The point is, Utah's PAC 12 record has steadily declined as the conference has improved since 2011 - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7.

    Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not named Utah.
    Since 2011, Utah is 9-18(33%) versus PAC 12 teams.

    Utah's only advantage has been in the head-to-head matchup.

    Overall, BYU has been better.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    @ LonestarRunner

    UW was 0-12 in 2008. You don't think their program is dramatically different today? Same thing with Oregon. The 2006 model is a far cry from the perennial top 10 program they boast today....

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    SpokaneUte

    What difference does it make if BYU played PAC 12 teams as a member of the MWC or as an Independent during the Bronco/Kyle era?

    Except for the usual ups and downs every program experiences - some teams got better, some teams got worse - none of those teams has changed in any fundamental way during the past 9 seasons.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 28, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    SpokaneUte

    "If you honestly think that USU and BYU would have performed better than Utah in the PAC 12 you are delusional."

    I don't think BYU would have lost a home game to 10-loss Colorado with a gift-wrapped PAC 12 South title there for the taking.

    And as backpacn has already summarized,

    of the seven common PAC 12 opponents BYU and Utah have faced during the Bronco/Kyle era:

    Bronco has a better record versus five - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLA

    Kyle has a better record versus one - California

    Bronco and Kyle are tied versus one - Arizona

    So its not at all unreasonable to predict that BYU could have done better in the PAC 12 than the Utes have.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Whatsnu, backpacn, and varous other clever screen names,

    You don't suppose rankings and bowl games might have to do with the level of competition do you? If you honestly think that USU and BYU would have performed better than Utah in the PAC 12 you are delusional. The two schools are a combined 1-4 vs. Utah over the last 3 years. At least USU has actually beat Utah; which is more than BYU can say. That's right, I forgot, head to head games are meaningless to BYU fans. BYU fans are the only fans I know that claim to be better than their opponent, even when they lose to their opponent. What a concept, you win even when you lose. I did notice after the Utah game last year that all of the BYU fans were no where to be found. Now that's curious?

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You left a couple of things out of your "summary"

    "Since Utah has been in the PAC 12..."

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 1
    USU 1
    Utah 0

    Bowl Games
    BYU 3
    USU 3
    Utah 1

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    2b

    BYU will be in the playoff discussion long before the sorry, P5 bottom-feeding Utes.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 28, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    @PACMAN...."Nope, the playoffs are meant to match the four best teams, regardless of conference affiliation, to determine a true national champion.

    The committee has been given suggested guidelines for what to consider, but each individual committee member is free to use whatever criteria he/she feels is appropriate in making their decision."

    Either way don't matter the Cougies will not be anywhere near the playoff this year or any year you can mark that down. If it makes you feel better though you can keep wearing your qwest T-shirt until the annual loss to any even average team in September....LOL!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    @ Deep Blue

    Thank you for proving my point. Let's summarize this, shall we?

    Since Utah has been in the PAC 12.
    Utah 9-18, .333%
    BYU 2-5, .286%
    Utah is 3-0 vs BYU
    Therein proves my point. There's nothing statistically to prove that BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12 then Utah. They would actually be doing worse according to the statistics. You can accept this inforation, or travel furhter back in time to try to make the data fit your agenda, but the facts are the facts over the last 3 years. Neither team has done anything to write home about.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 28, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    Scott

    It's pretty obvious; I'm comparing Utah vs. BYU's record, since Utah has been in the PAC 12. It's a very simple concept and one I hope you can grasp. What happened 40 years ago is totally irrelanvent. Just like what Utah did in 2004 and 2008 is. BYU's winning % is .29% vs. PAC 12 teams; since Utah has been a member. Their winning % vs. Utah over that time period is .00%.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2014 6:01 a.m.

    @No playoff for U

    Besides Utah's twin flash in the pan seasons of 2004 and 2008, Utah has never had a 11+ win season.

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    How many times do you like being corrected?

    Utah has a 10-2 season where we finished #10 in the nation while your 11 win teams never sniffed a top 10 finish.

    Bronco did try though, he begged for a top 10 ranking after beating an overrated Oregon State team in Vegas. A BYU team that got thumped at home by weak FSU team.

    Then the following year he claimed BYU doesn't rebuild they reload, that year BYU reloaded to a 7-6 season in the MWC.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2014 5:47 a.m.

    @Chamberlain

    WOW, beating your chest about a one-place higher finish in Sagarin while spending bowl week on the couch watching BYU play in their 9th straight bowl must have been so satisfying for you.

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    No. But beating #10 Stanford going 4-2 was pretty satisfying. After he injured his passing hand, not so much (1-5).

    What bowl week? It's more like bowl month. It was as satisfying for me as it was for you seeing BYU getting THUMPED in yet another the bowl game.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    @ Ufan

    I'm not trying to count anything. Chamberlin said ""At least BYU's regular season record against the #38 SOS was good enough to qualify for a bowl." That statement was false, BYU's bowl opponent is what bumped BYU's sos to #38. I honestly don't understand what your issue with that is.....

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 9:21 p.m.

    2fer

    As we've heard ad nauseum from Utah fans, end of season ranking are the only rankings that count.

    It's funny that Utah fans won't count BYU's wins against #3 Oklahoma, #15 Texas, and #16 Oregon State, because they weren't ranked in the final poll, but now you want to count BYU's pre-bowl SOS.

    btw, remind us what Utah's SOS was before Utah played Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl, the only team Utah played in 2004 that finished with less than 5 losses.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    @ Chamberlain

    "At least BYU's regular season record against the #38 SOS was good enough to qualify for a bowl"

    BYU's SOS wan't in the top 40 until it played UW in the bowl...

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    Uteology

    I can say the same about your ENTIRE 2013 schedule:

    2013 Sagarin Rankings:

    #33 Utah 5-7
    #34 BYU 8-5

    WOW, beating your chest about a one-place higher finish in Sagarin while spending bowl week on the couch watching BYU play in their 9th straight bowl must have been so satisfying for you.

    At least BYU's regular season record against the #38 SOS was good enough to qualify for a bowl, something the Utes have never done versus a #40+ SOS.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    Uteology

    "You beat ZERO ranked teams..."

    Nope, BYU beat ONE ranked team in 2012; Utah beat ZERO!

    And the ranked team that BYU beat, beat Utah.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    Uteology

    Mediocre Texas team or not, BYU still piled up more rushing yards versus the Longhorns than any other opponent in Texas history.

    Utah did upset Stanford, but barely avoided losing on Stanford's final offensive play of the game.

    BYU is 5-1 lifetime versus Texas and Oklahoma combined, with BYU's only loss, a narrow one-pointer at Texas; think about that for awhile.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    @Marked it Down

    Sagarin.
    unranked Utah beat #56 Georgia Tech(8-5) in the Sun Bowl and DROPPED from #38 to #39 in Sagarin.

    Obviously, Sagarin wasn't all that impressed with Utah's bowl win over a P5.

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    I can say the same about your ENTIRE 2013 schedule:

    2013 Sagarin Rankings:

    #33 Utah 5-7
    #34 BYU 8-5

    "BYU qualified for a bowl after playing 5 ranked teams, most on the road; Utah failed to qualify for a bowl after only playing 2 ranked teams."

    Sorry but no team "qualifies" for a bowl by playing ranked teams, you qualify for bowl by beating teams. You beat ZERO ranked teams, 8 cupcakes.

    Utah accomplished your Quest by beating 4 final ranked teams in one season, BYU has beat 3 final ranked teams in 18 years.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    Uteology

    "In the MWC, Utah finished with a better record 7 times (BYU 5)"

    Yet,

    BYU had FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, FOUR 11+ win seasons, and ONE national individual award winner.
    Utah had FOUR AP Top 25 finishes, TWO 11+ win seasons, and ZERO national individual award winners.

    The gap is even wider if you only consider the Bronco/Kyle era.

    Bronco has had FOUR AP Top 25 finishes and THREE 11+ win seasons.
    Kyle has had TWO AP Top 25 finishes and only ONE 11+ win season.

    Besides Utah's twin flash in the pan seasons of 2004 and 2008, Utah has never had a 11+ win season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:32 p.m.

    @CG

    True, Utah managed to pull off a skin of your teeth upset of highly ranked Stanford - not exactly the first time an inferior team has managed to spring an upset on a far superior team.

    BYU, on the other hand, throttled a Texas team that finished tied for 2nd in the Big 12, and in the process, rolled up more yards rushing against the Longhorns, 550 yards, than any other opponent in Texas history - more than Oklahoma, more than Nebraska, more than Texas A&M.

    Think about that for a moment - the most yards EVER given up by Texas against ANY team, ANY where, ANY time.

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    Yes, an impressive win over what TEXAS "fans" would describe as a mediocre team. Think about that for a moment.

    Bottom line, final rankings:

    #10 Stanford
    #33 Texas

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    "BYU beat Utah 2 out of 3 times from 2006-2009"

    It's interesting how you deliberately misquoted BYU's record to help you feel better.

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    Craig Frantz

    It's laughable how Utah fans deliberately use small sample sizes to distort records.

    Since you appear to be struggling picking a representative sample, let me help.

    Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC 12 teams; 9-6(60%) versus teams not named Utah.
    Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC 12 teams; 9-18(33%) since joining the PAC.

    Versus the PAC 12 during the Bronco/Kyle era
    Team - BYU; Utah
    Wash - 2-1; 0-2
    WSU - 1-0; 2-1
    Ariz - 1-2; 1-2
    Oregon - 1-0; 0-2
    OSU - 2-1; 2-3
    UCLA - 2-1; 2-3
    Cal - 0-1; 2-1

    Of the seven common PAC 12 opponents BYU and Utah have faced:

    BYU has a better record versus five - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLA
    Utah has a better record versus one - California
    BYU and Utah are tied versus one - Arizona

    Hope that helps.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:28 p.m.

    @ DeepBlue

    Yeah Oregon in 2006 is definitely comparable to the top 10 team they have today. And you realize that when BYU beat Washington they went 0-12. Pretty good "substance" you got there.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    Since 1972, BYU has historically played better in conference than Utah -
    23 WAC/MWC championships vs 6 is proof of that.

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    Why don't you look at the entire MWC history not just over Kyle/Bronco era?

    MWC Standings:

    * Utah (2.83): 1, 6, 3, 5, 1, 1, 4, 3, 3, 1, 3, 2
    * BYU (2.83): 2, 4, 1, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1, 1, 3, 1, 3

    And that's with 2010 ranking BYU 5-3 (7-6) equal to 5-3 (9-4) SDSU and AF at #3 and not #5 as they were clearly the 5th best team in the league that year. If you rank them #5 in 2010 then the average standing becomes 3.0 for BYU.

    Regardless, the difference:

    * Utah finished with a better record 7 times vs 5 for BYU
    * Utah 4 titles (Fiesta and Sugar) vs BYU 4 titles (Bowl Diddley)
    * Utah 9-3 vs BYU

    FYI... Beating #56 Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl is more impressive than beating #66 San Diego State in Poinsettia Bowl. You would agree right?

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    He did provide something of substance to prove his point?

    He provided a summary of BYU's and Utah's conference records over the last 40 years and during the Bronco/Kyle era that proves that BYU has outperformed Utah, substantially, in conference play.

    Even when Utah was pulling out a slight majority of narrow victories head-to-head, BYU was still finishing higher in the conference

    Average finish BYU 2.0 with 2 championships; Utah 2.67 with 1 championships.

    What kind of "substance" were you looking for?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Do you honestly think BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12?"

    Here's your "substance":

    Since joining the PAC 12, Utah is 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18(33%) overall

    Versus the PAC 12 during the Bronco/Kyle era

    Bronco is 9-9(50%), with wins over Washington and Oregon
    Kyle is 13-21(38%), winless versus Washington and Oregon

    It's obvious which coach and team have done better versus PAC 12 teams.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    Uteology

    Here are some facts your crimson-colored goggles blinded you from seeing.

    2013 - versus P5 teams
    BYU 2-5(29%)
    Utah 2-7(22%)

    BYU qualified for a bowl playing the #38 SOS; Utah has never qualified for a bowl playing a Top 40 SOS.

    2012 - versus ranked teams
    BYU 1-5(20%)
    Utah 0-2(0%)

    BYU qualified for a bowl after playing 5 ranked teams, most on the road; Utah failed to qualify for a bowl after only playing 2 ranked teams.

    2011 - bowls
    #25/#26 BYU beat #41 Tulsa(8-5) in the Armed Forces Bowl to move UP from #41 to #34 in Sagarin.
    unranked Utah beat #56 Georgia Tech(8-5) in the Sun Bowl and DROPPED from #38 to #39 in Sagarin.

    Obviously, Sagarin wasn't all that impressed with Utah's bowl win over a P5.

    btw, BYU stomped Georgia Tech 41-17 on the road and 38-20 at home the next two seasons.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Get your facts straight - BYU beat Utah 3 of 4 times from 2006 to 2009, and in the process, had TWICE as many AP Top 25 finishes, THREE times more 11+ win seasons, and TWICE as many conference championships as Utah has had during the entire Bronco/Kyle era.

  • Craig Frantz Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    Deductive Resoning

    Let me help you out; as you appear to be struggling. Utah has been in the PAC 12 for three years. During that time frame BYU has went 2-5 vs. the PAC 12. Their wins were in 2011 against last place Washington State (1-8 in conf play) and Oregon State in 2012 (3-6 in conf play). BYU has lost 3 straight to PAC 12 teams. I hope that helps.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    My best case (within reason), worst case (within reason, barring any significant injuries or other crazy things happening), and actual prediction for all 3 for regular season (with games I think are most likely to be the losses or wins):

    BYU Best Case: 12-0
    BYU Prediction: 10-2, Losses to Texas and UCF
    BYU Worst Case: 7-5, losses to Texas, Houston, USU, UCF, and Boise State
    Toughest Game: Texas

    USU Best Case: 13-0
    USU Prediction: 10-3, Losses to Tennessee, BYU, and Boise State
    USU Worst Case: 8-5, Losses to Tennessee, BYU, CSU, Boise State, and one "wild card"
    Toughest Game: BYU

    Utah Best Case: 8-4, losses to UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Stanford
    Utah Prediction: 5-7, wins over Idaho State, Fresno State, Washington State, Colorado, and Arizona
    Utah Worst Case: 3-9, wins over Idaho State, Fresno State, and Colorado
    Toughest Game: Oregon

    Good Luck to all 3. Go Cougars!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    deductive reasoning
    Arlington, VA

    "Do you honestly think BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12?"

    YES!

    Since 1972, BYU has historically played better in conference than Utah -
    23 WAC/MWC championships vs 6 is proof of that.

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    Just in the WAC, under Edwards and Chow. Not in the MWC.

    In the MWC, Utah finished with a better record 7 times (BYU 5)

    More importantly:

    * Utah had 4 titles (Fiesta and Sugar)
    * BYU had 4 titles (Quest t-shirts and Airport Celebration for a 1-0 Team)

  • CG Orem, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    Uteology

    Your constant hiding behind labels as proof of this and that is laughable.

    True, Utah managed to pull off a skin of your teeth upset of highly ranked Stanford - not exactly the first time an inferior team has managed to spring an upset on a far superior team.

    BYU, on the other hand, throttled a Texas team that finished tied for 2nd in the Big 12, and in the process, rolled up more yards rushing against the Longhorns, 550 yards, than any other opponent in Texas history - more than Oklahoma, more than Nebraska, more than Texas A&M.

    Think about that for a moment - the most yards EVER given up by Texas against ANY team, ANY where, ANY time.

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    Star winning the Morris Trophy is a nice honor.

    Call us when a Utah player wins Utah's first national individual award.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    Deductive reasoning

    Can you at least provide something of substance to prove your point? "BYU beat Utah 2 out of 3 times from 2006-2009". Really? That's all you have? That's sad. MWC finishes from 1972? What in the world does that have to do with the current PAC 12? What a horrible and feeble attempt to debate.

    Uteology

    Spot on as usual Bro!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Spokane Ute

    We all know that you're desperately trying to cling to the only thing Utah has accomplished since joining the PAC 12 - beating BYU.

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    How about going 6-5 vs P5 teams in season one (BYU is 5-11 in 3 year) to a Sun Bowl win and a 8-5 record which was the 4th best record in PAC-12 overall?

    The win over #10 Stanford was hands down the best win by any team in the state since Utah throttled #6 Alabama.

    I would even argue that Star being awarded the Morris Trophy is even a bigger accomplishment than our annual win over BYU.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    "Do you honestly think BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12?"

    YES!

    Since 1972, BYU has historically played better in conference than Utah -
    23 WAC/MWC championships vs 6 is proof of that.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era, Bronco was undefeated versus MWC conference bottom dwellers Wyo, CSU, NM, and UNLV; Kyle lost to all of them.

    Bronco's average MWC finish: 2.0 (2,1,1,3,2,3)
    Kyle's average MWC finish: 2.67 (4,3,3,1,3,2)

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "The Sun Bowl victory and beating Stanford last year far, far exceed beating unranked BYU..."

    Don't kid yourself. Utah's 2011 victory over a mediocre Georgia Tech team was no more meaningful than BYU's much more convincing victories over the same team in 2012 and 2013.

    Utah's upset win over Stanford would have been a lot more meaningful if you hadn't stuck it up against Washington State a few weeks later to ruin your chances to qualify for a bowl.

    No, as much as Utah fans like to pretend that beating BYU is no big deal to them, beating BYU is by far the number accomplishment Utah fans have talked about since joining the PAC 12.

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    Can't beat Utah?

    BYU beat Utah 3 out of 4 seasons from 2006 to 2009. The fact that Utah has managed to win three very close 1-, 3-, and 7-point games since then hardly proves that BYU can't beat Utah.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    Lonestarunner,

    Desperately cling? Now that's funny right there. The Sun Bowl victory and beating Stanford last year far, far exceed beating unranked BYU; over, and over, and over again. I just find it so comimical how BYU fans bust on Utah for having trouble in the PAC 12, when they them selfs can't beat Utah. That would be like me busting on USC or ASU. Do you honestly think BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12? When did I ever say BYU shouldn't be optimistic about there season? You have no idea what my position was in 2008. Please don't pretend like you do; it only damages your credibility. Not that there's much of that anyway. Unfortunately for BYU, they will end up in the Miami Beach Bowl whether they win 6, or 12 games. That's the down side of being an independent.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    We all know that you're desperately trying to cling to the only thing Utah has accomplished since joining the PAC 12 - beating BYU - but the truth is, BYU is once again surpassing Utah in overall results and it grinds at you to have to admit that.

    Despite Utah's narrow one place finish ahead of BYU in the final Sagarin rankings for 2013, it's clear that even Sagarin considers BYU to be the better team as the 2014 season is about to begin.

    btw, why is it taking Utah "Four years to adjust to the PAC 12 and add to the depth of the roster", when Utah fans like you were claiming way back in 2008 that Utah could already compete with anybody?

    It's interesting how you think that Utah fans should be allowed to be optimistic about the coming season, but BYU fans should not.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Uteanymous spewed:

    "Your inconsistency is laughable."
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    As is your hatred. Actually it's quite sad and pathetic. You can hope and pray for Utah's demise; as you always do. I know that's your MO. I on the other hand remain opticmistic that the Utes will have a good season. Four years to adjust to the PAC 12 and add to the depth of the roster. I know that really upsets you when a Utah fan actually supports his team, but that's what I will continue to do. Hate On Fella.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    @ taylormade1

    I honestly feel bad for you if you really believe that all FBS teams have equal access to the playoffs.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "So last season's final rankings and head to head results are "less relevant"?"

    They're certainly less relevant than this season's projected results.

    If Utah's 5-7, bowl less season in 2013 were an indication of Utah's final result for 2014, why are Utah fan's predicting that Utah will have better results in 2014, especially when Utah is supposedly playing a tougher schedule in 2014.

    Your inconsistency is laughable.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Utenoymous

    So last season's final rankings and head to head results are "less relevant"? I guess we can agree to disagree, as usual. Again, congrats on your preseason rankings; I prefer to revisit this at season's end. As far as biased opinions go; I take that with a grain of salt Black Kettle.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Since when do the biased opinions crimson-colored glasses wearers trump pre-season rankings?

    Of course, you don't have any problem bringing up even less relevant comparisons, like previous season rankings and results.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Gandalph

    Since when does the preseason rankings match the final rankings? Umm, let's see....Never. Sorry to burst your blue bubble; but your crystal ball has a crack in it. I guess we shall see, but if you actually think the pre-season ranking are going to match the final rankings; you are very sadly mistaken!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    BlueHusky

    You could be right, but I have serious doubts about Ohio State even finishing in the Top 10 after the loss of Braxton Miller.

    As far as two teams from the SEC and the PAC 12 and Big 12 being shut out, the more that happens, the quicker we'll get to an 8-team playoff, which is what most fans want anyway.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    @PAC man
    Nice analysis. But reality is that there will be two SEC teams + Ohio State + Florida State in the playoffs

    PAC12 will get screwed because nobody will play a PAC-12 slate unbeaten. So they'll get passed over. Big 12 because they don't have a conf championship game.

    BYU will never be considered for a 4-team playoff unless unbeaten twice in a row. That won't ever happen. BYU should have an opportunity for a New Year's Day bowl if unbeaten. The AAC contract gives BYU an out if they can get a better bowl.

    My pics this year:
    BYU 11-1. The loss will be to UCF, Houston, or Nevada. They'll beat Texas. The loss will be an upset. It won't be to USU.

    Utah: 4 wins is probably about right. Their schedule is brutal and they won't survive it.

    USU: ? no idea. I don't follow them. But good luck anyway.

    Washington: They miss USC but get UCLA, ASU, AZ, Stanford, and Oregon. Two of those will be losses. They don't play Utah. UW might meet USC in PAC-12 playoff. UW OOC is weak, so wins there.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    uteology,
    You are exactly right. So much for your personal theory that non p5 conference schools are locked out of the playoff system ! Please mark it down and remember that you heard it from me, The Y will be mentioned in the college football payoffs long before the u in ever mentioned even being in the pac12 .The u really does have an impossible schedule this year i will agree. Cheers !

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Sorry to burst your crimson-colored bubble, but this will be the actual order of finish in 2014:

    BYU > USU > Utah > Weber St

    Sagarin Pre-Season
    #35 BYU
    #48 Utah
    #51 USU
    #192 Weber St

    Real Time RPI NCAA Men's Football - Team Power Rankings (2014-2015)
    #39 BYU
    #42 USU
    #48 Utah
    #233 Weber St

    Pre-Season AP Poll
    #44 BYU
    #50 USU
    no votes Utah, Weber St

    Pre-Season Coaches Poll
    #38 BYU
    no votes Utah, Utah St, Weber St

    NOBODY outside of the crimson bubble has Utah ranked ahead of BYU.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    Doesn't matter what our record is when our schedule is so bad.

    The BYU home schedule is just brutal.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    I just have to say that is exceedingly generous to BYU and Utah State. I hope as a fan that those predictions are correct. I just don't see it.

    What is up with the PAC-12 blinders on the Heisman and the NC? Not gonna happen folks. I am not dissing the PAC-12 either. They are strong, but not stronger than the SEC and only marginally stronger than the ACC.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 27, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Uteology

    From the official Collegiate Football Playoff website:

    The Best Four Teams

    "The selection committee will choose the four teams for the playoff based on strength of schedule, head-head results, comparison of results against common opponents, championships won and other factors."

    (It's a bulleted list, not a numbered list - try to understand the difference.)

    Universal Access

    "Every FBS team has equal access to the playoff based on its performance. No team will qualify automatically."

  • Ignore Amos Jacksonville, USA, FL
    Aug. 27, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    I hope to see all the teams do well. What some of the fans here don't understand is that all three of these programs are linked by association (especially BYU and Utah). We want Utah to be a strong football state...that means having all strong programs. That makes the others look good as well.

    Having said that, I do think it is funny how the fan predictions for BYU and USU were super high, but for UofU it was lower. Looks like Utah fans are getting a little discouraged. That would explain all the "strength of schedule" talk. That is their preemptive strike...an excuse in advance for poor performance.

    Good luck Utes. I hope to see Utah do well in the PAC 12, BYU do well as independent and TCU do well in Big 12 because right now it looks to the world like all their previous success was only possible because they were in weaker conferences. College football is a lot more fun when it is not just about what conference you are in and how much money you have.

  • Black Shirts Mckinney, TX
    Aug. 27, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    My predictions for the Uteys have been prefect the last two years. So, here is the FACT, write it down, bet the ranch. The Uteys will go 4-8, KW will be fired. The only reason the Uteys had two good seasons EVER, is ANDERSON, he's in Madison Wisconsin and KW will be at Weber St soon. The Ute fans will be wishing they were in the MWC soon. Hey, you will start 2-0 and will be talking ROSE BOWL until game three.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    CO Ute

    "My prediction - some of the Y fans will spend more time obsessing about how 'poorly' Utah will do than watching their own team."

    Really? I see an awful lot of ute fans posting all over BYU articles. A couple of them always beat any BYU fans to the punch on commenting. Most articles, 75% of the first 10-20 posts are from ute fans. Not so on the ute articles. The obsession is reverse.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    @gdog3finally

    That would be nice to see. However, it has been predetermined that BYU will play in the Miami Beach Bowl against the champion from region 2: probably Cottonwood!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Last Year:

    Utah > BYU > USU > WSU

    This Year:

    Utah > BYU > USU > WSU

    The more things change; the more they stay the same.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2014 6:53 a.m.

    @BigCougar,
    I like the way you think, I hope the BYU team follows your logic. Chuckie played just one quarter last year against BYU. No threat at all.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2014 5:10 a.m.

    My prediction for Utah is 6-6 but they could go 7-5. Utah loses @ UCLA, @ASU, Oregon, and @Stanford. Utah beats Idaho State and Fresno State. Utah gets a split in games 3 and 4, beating either Michigan or Washington State. Same goes for games 6 and 7, a win comes against either USC or Oregon State. After losing the toughest stretch mentioned in the beginning, Utah then beats Arizona and Colorado to finish the season. Because of PAC 12 bowl ties, Utah makes the best bowl of the teams in state by going 6-6 unless BYU runs the table. Utah then wins their bowl game and has a winning season against one of the toughest schedules in the country. Too bad Utah can't face BYU in Miami (no bowl tie in) because that would make for sweet irony.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Aug. 27, 2014 3:17 a.m.

    The reality is that we don't really have a good idea of how good or bad any of these teams are. That's why I dislike preseason polls. We've seen top ranked teams in the preseason finished unranked in the past as well as teams exceed every expectation. And those preseason polls have the tendency to make it very difficult for lower ranked teams to move up ahead of teams with 1-2 losses.

    I think it's reasonable to see all 3 teams make bowl games this year.

    If all 3 teams are essentially of the same quality as last year, then the predictions of USU and BYU having 9+ win seasons is very realistic, as is the prediction of a sub-500 season for the U. That said, we won't have a good idea until game 4. I won't be surprised if all 3 end up in bowl games.

  • spokaloo White Salmon, WA
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:49 a.m.

    Byu>usu>weberstate>utah

  • BleedingBlue Provo, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:21 a.m.

    BYU (if they stay healthy)- 10 - 2 , 11 - 2 with a bowl win, we will win one we should lose, and lose one we should win. If Hill goes down early, 8 - 4, 9 - 4 with bowl win.

    Utah (what a monster schedule, if they stay healthy) 7 - 5, 8 - 5 with a bowl win, they could be the best improved, biggest surprise in the PAC12. If they are plagued with injuries again, 4 - 8 and home for the holidays.

    Utah State (most overrated in MWC) 8 - 4, 8 - 5 with a bowl loss.

    Go Cougars!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    My prediction - some of the Y fans will spend more time obsessing about how 'poorly' Utah will do than watching their own team.

    Utes will find a way to win 6 games this year and make it to a bowl. BYU has only 3 to 4 challenging games and will end up with 10 wins. USU, despite a great year from Chuckie, will lose a game or two they should win but still challenge for the conference championship.

    Bottom line is everyone is an expert right now and in reality no one knows how the season will play out.

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:22 p.m.

    Wouldn't be suprised to see BYU at 11-1. I would be suprised if USU looses 3 games. Utah I think they have a chance to get 6 wins if they can get by Michigan. I don't see it as a toss-up, maybe 55/45 for Michigan (at Michigan) If they loose to Michigan, only 5 wins. There won't be a Stanford type game this year. Utah will play many close games. Defense will be good but not really good. Don't think they have enough horses on offense. Drez is great. Running backs have potential but......I don't expect anyone to be outstanding like last year. I don't think they will be running down hill. That league is really good. I think they are cannon fodder again. Whit is very excited about his class this year, they will be better next year and get six wins and a bowl game, maybe. They will get six wins though.
    Jeff

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    Utah actually has a chance to beat Michigan. Michigan's defense is great, but their offense is not solid this year, especially at QB. Utah also has a lesser chance to beat USC because it is at Utah. So, Utah might be at 6+ wins this year as long as they don't get upset on the games they should win.

    BYU might run the table, but Texas is the 2nd game of the season (BYU usually takes a few games to play its best) and will be looking for revenge. UCF has a great defense which BYU will only beat through the air and we don't know how good they are at passing yet. Since the USU game is at BYU, then BYU gets the nod, but it could be a close one.

    USU will only be challenged at away games at Tennessee, BYU and Boise State who are all favored by the odds makers (bettors) to beat USU. I think Chuckie is 100% and wins 2 of those 3 (most likely losing at BYU).

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    @GoRed
    "USU will go 10-2, including an impressive victory over BYU in Provo. Keeton will go wild, leaving the BYU defense clueless as to how to contain him."

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    For his career vs BYU, Keeton is a sub 50% passer and avgs 23 yds rushing. Not much of a duel threat and he's 0-3 vs BYU. Sort of like how Utah has BYU's number, the same hold's true for BYU vs Utah St. I know he gives Utah's defense fits and has repeatedly torched them during his career, but he has been "clueless" against BYU and has yet to figure out how to be effective vs the Cougars.

    USU only returns 6 starters on offense and defense. BYU hasn't lost at home to Utah St in decades. The streak will continue.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    USU will have a nice season in the MWC and will battle Boise St for supremacy in a down year for the conference.

    BYU will win 10+ and get into the top 25 by season's end.

    As for Utah, there's a reason Vegas put the over/under on wins for them at 4.5, they face an 8 game stretch starting with Devin GArdner and Michigan where every QB they face has NFL potential and NFL athleticism including more than one Heisman candidate (Oregon and UCLA). Utah has a very strong chance of losing all 8 in a row. The biggest question will be if Whitt survives to finish the season or if there's an interim HC to lead them against Colorado.

    Take the under if you're smart, we've already seen what Travis Wilson has to offer.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    @pleblian
    "Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado are all,optimistically, 50/50 games."

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    UofA is a 50-50 game and so is Colorado, and Fresno St for that matter. Everything else is either a guaranteed loss or a very highly probable loss.

    Utah faces likely NFL QB's at Michigan, Oregon St, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, ASU, WSU and possibly USC. Those games are almost all in a row too. Once the losing starts at Michigan it could be a very long stretch before they get another win (AZ or Colorado). Utah could very likely lose 7-8 straight.

    There are not very many 50-50 games and how often do they pull out a "Stanford" game compared to a "Colorado 2011" game (or UNLV) under Kyle?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:11 p.m.

    @taylormade1

    Actually, from what I could find Tim Brando said ECU, Colorado State, BYU,and Bowling Green were possible "playoff busters". Congrats!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    @ taylormade1 and PAC man

    The P5 teams are clearly trying to widen the gap between themselves and the rest of the teams. You don't need to be a sportscaster to see it happening. It's naive (putting it nicely) to think that a team with BYU's resume will be considered for the playoffs. They don't care about finding one true champion. They care about making as much money as possible, while keeping it "in house." Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but don't lose touch with reality.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:06 p.m.

    Wow...I didn't realize Utah's defense had fallen on such hard and lean times. They're Defensive MVP choice was between Nate Orchard and Brian Blechen? We've been hearing for years how great they are yet they haven't really delivered much on the field to back that up. I think there are a number of other players who will prove themselves to be much more valuable on D and will actually do something on the field to support that notion. How about Eric Rowe, Tevin Carter or Jacoby Hale for starters?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    @PAC man

    Nope, the playoffs are meant to match the four best teams, regardless of conference affiliation, to determine a true national champion.

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    Nope. Depending on what weight is given to each criteria below, BYU already doesn't meet the first two criteria.

    Here's the criteria committee members will use in selecting the four teams that will play for the national championship under the new system:

    "As it announced the inaugural selection committee Wednesday afternoon, the College Football Playoff also unveiled the criteria the 13 members will use:

    * Conference championships won
    * Strength of schedule
    * Head-to-head competition
    * Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
    * Relevant factors such as key injuries that may have affected a team's performance

    Source: Playoff committee's selection criteria will be flexible, complex (USA Today)

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    BYU
    11-2 overall
    6-0 home
    4-2 away
    1-0 Neutral(bowl game)

    BYU has plenty of talent coming back and a lot of nice incoming talent that will contribute this season. I think 11-2 and a top 25 finish would be a successful season.

    Utah
    5-7 Overall
    4-2 home
    1-5 away
    Utah is gonna struggle again, they don't have the QB to compete with the better teams in the PAC 12. They could even end up 4-8, Colorado seems to always play them tough and could beat them at the end of the year.

    USU
    10-3 overall
    Home 6-0
    Away 4-3

    USU will win the games they are suppose too but they will struggle on the road against the better teams. Losses to Tenn,BYU and BSU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 9:42 p.m.

    Utah 6-6 or 7-5:

    * Most likely to least likely wins: ISU, @CU, FSU, WSU, UA
    * Need 1-2 of the following: @OSU, @MI, USC
    * Loses: Oregon, @Stanford, @ASU, @UCLA

    Unfortunately, we'll have to wait until next week to see if Utah's offense has improved as advertised.

    Go UTES!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    My predictions...

    Ute season ticket holders will get an additional discount on couches and TVs on Black Friday at RC Willey.

    BYU will win 9 or better

    USU will rock the MWC.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    2ff,
    Tim Brando is way more in touch with the college football landscape than your person predictions might be. I chose to go with a proven sportscaster.cheers !

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 7:45 p.m.

    @Sambonethegreat

    I'm not sure how you have the utes beating top 10 ranked UCLA in the Rose Bowl. Better mark them down for 5-7.

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    @ worf:

    Really? Was that a serious post? Using "data" to come to a weak conclusion of why byu is better than Utah. News flash for you: Utah and byu played last year. Utah beat byu by a touchdown on byu's home field, and that was after byu had a bye week to prepare for the game! Combine that win with the three in a row preceding it, and anyone living in reality comes to the conclusion that Utah is the better team.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 26, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    2fer

    "The selection committee has said it will weigh conf. championships and SOS heavily when they make their selections. The playoffs are meant to keep the power and money within the P5 conferences."

    Nope, the playoffs are meant to match the four best teams, regardless of conference affiliation, to determine a true national champion.

    The committee has been given suggested guidelines for what to consider, but each individual committee member is free to use whatever criteria he/she feels is appropriate in making their decision.

    Bottom line, anybody who claims to "know" the exact criteria that the committee will use in choosing the four playoff teams is simply blowing smoke, because the truth is, they don't have a clue.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 7:05 p.m.

    2ff,
    Let us talk in a couple of months and see who is closest to being correct ! Cheers !

  • nananana batman saint george, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    how much do you want for that beach front property? I'd love to be surrounded by such magnificent mountains and the ocean.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 6:13 p.m.

    @ taylormade1

    The selection committee has said it will weigh conf. championships and SOS heavily when they make their selections. The playoffs are meant to keep the power and money within the P5 conferences. If you think a G5 team, who only played 3 P5 teams, has a prayer to be considered for the playoffs in the first year of its existence, then I have some beach front property in Montana that I would like to sell you....

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    Sorry folks, I must have had a "temporary moment." On my previous post i meat to write 4/8 for Utah, not 4/4! Although 4/4 is not a losing season.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    @KYUte

    ""Cougartown" laments once more at the rise of the Utes."

    What rise?

    Are you talking about the one in your dreams where utah wins 8 games this season?

    Or the one in reality where utah has gone from 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7 in Pac-12 play? Call me crazy, but that looks more like a fall to me. All the talk that utah is going to get better with more money and better recruiting and more experience in the conference has already been proven wrong.

    utah's best season came with Mountain West players, Mountain West money, and Mountain West experience. They have gotten progressively worse as the "Pac-12 recruiting" and "Pac-12 money" and "Pac-12 experience" have come into play.

    I don't see much of a rise this year, and neither do any of the national experts. Only utah fans see improvement.

    Please let me know where 8 wins will come from, because I see Michigan, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, and USC as nearly automatic losses.

    In a few months, think back to the comment you made today. I guarantee it will be wrong.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    Prediction:

    Utah will surprise a lot of people by going 8-4, including an upset of Oregon at home. Having two healthy quarterbacks go a long way in stabilizing the Utes over the course of the season.

    USU will go 10-2, including an impressive victory over BYU in Provo. Keeton will go wild, leaving the BYU defense clueless as to how to contain him.

    BYU also goes 10-2, with their two losses to Texas and Utah State, the only decent teams on their schedule.

    At the end of the season the BYU fan base will be crowing how their team got more victories than Utah and therefore must be the better team. They will totally ignore the fact that they played the 73rd "hardest" schedule in the country according to college football analyst Phil Steele, with no teams ranked in the top 25, while Utah played the 8th most difficult schedules in college football, including 5 teams in the top 25.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 26, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    Hmm?

    UCONN lost by just three points to Michigan.

    Utah will lose to Michigan by a larger margin.

    BYU will beat Uconn by twenty four or more.

    Analyzing this data, BYU is the better team over the utes.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    Chris B's recent predictions include utah making a bowl game in 2013 and beating St. Mary's in the NIT.

    I don't think we need anything else to prove that his opinion is likely to be wrong.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    We will win all our games unless the refs make us loose or if we beat ourselfs. We are the best team on the field everytime.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 26, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    Utah finishes 5-7 to 7-5.

    Utah State finishes 8-4 to 10-2.

    BYU finishes 7-5 to 9-3.

  • OmahaCoug Omaha, NE
    Aug. 26, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    Interesting insights into the teams' fans:
    100% of fan vote picked a Utah State win over Idaho State (all USU fans?).
    98% picked a BYU win over Savannah State (really?, must be some Ute ringer votes here).
    96% picked a Utah win over Idaho State. Is there really any way Utah can lose this game?

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    byu fans' comments go to show that they are completely fine with their team remaining as a non-P5 player. They thoroughly enjoy the hollow victories and meaningless bowl games. If I were a byu fan, I would be anything but pleased with this years' schedule, and boycott the home games in November entirely.

    Lucky for me, the team I support has something meaningful to play for, and will be tested every step of the way. They may only win half of their games, but at least it will be among the very best teams college football has to offer.

    To USU fans: Good luck with your season. The Aggies look like they will be a tough team, and have a real shot at making some national noise starting next Sunday in Tennessee (NOT at Johnny Red Floyd Stadium in Murfreesboro either, byu fans).

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 26, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    plebian

    ASU... optimistically, a 50/50 game?

    You're joking, right?

    When was the last time Utah beat a ranked PAC 12 opponent on the road?

    Seriously, you need to stay away from the red koolaid, because the Utes have absolutely no chance of beating a ranked ASU team in Sun Devil Stadium.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    @ pleblian:

    You've made some of the worst predictions and most unsubstantiated claims on this site. Your ultra-bias cost you all credibility just halfway through your first comment. Just because you don't care about BYU, don't kid yourself about them not having the largest following in the intermountain area.

    ESPN is about as informed and knowledgeable as anyone when it comes to both sports and business. They drew on both areas of expertise before deciding to give BYU such a long contract with them. Their actions speak volumes more than your simple opinion.

    You can imagine all you want when it comes to guessing who is the best of the 3 main colleges in Utah. But that's as far as what your imaginings will go. Knowledgeable football pundits (coaches and sports writers) chose BYU best, followed by USU with Utah once again dragging up the rear in all preseason polls. Similar to ESPN, I'd put their guesses heads and tails over yours. What would you say gives you any credibility over those groups?

    The overall records you predicted are the only thing close to reality. You should've stopped there.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 26, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    pleblian

    Your analysis is laughable, to say the least.

    I'm not sure which team you've been studying during fall camp, but it obviously wasn't BYU.

    BYU's O-line, D-line and Defensive Backs will be vastly improved, and BYU's Linebackers will be just as solid as last year.

    And calling Michigan and ASU 50/50 games shows just how little you know about Utah. Both of those games will be over by half-time and the Utes will be busy checking dinner reservations.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    KYUte

    6-6 - very slim chance
    7-5 - if Utah catches every single break
    8-4 - only in your wildest crimson-colored dreams

    most likely finish - 5-7, with a decent chance of 4-8

    BYU - 11-2
    USU - 10-3

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Utah goes 6-6, 7-5 or 8-4 this year dependent upon injuries (see previous posts for list).
    KW is still HC at Utah.
    "Cougartown" laments once more at the rise of the Utes.

    "3. No Pac-12 coach will be fired at season's end: The coaching carousel will hit the skids for at least one season. There are really only two Pac-12 coaches with seats above frosty, Cal's Sonny Dykes and Utah's Kyle Whittingham, and their temperature is tepid at best. If neither coach shows significant improvement in 2014 (that probably means a bowl game for Utah and at least a few FBS wins for Cal), then we won't make this declaration for 2015. But unless either really, really bombs, they'll be given another shot next season. And the Pac-12 blog doesn't think either will really, really bomb."

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    Hmmm there are some pretty good predictions on here. Here's my take:

    Utah: 6-6 (lose to ASU, USC, Wazzou, Oregon, Stanford, Michigan)
    BYU: 10-2 (2 losses out of UCF, Texas, Boise, USU)
    USU: 11-2 (2 losses out of Tennessee, BYU, Boise, Ark. St)

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Chris b,
    Not going to give "inside" info. until there is something concrete. However how about our boy Tim Brando ( espn,cbs and fox sports big boy) going on record and stating that BYU,s schedule is just good enough that IF they were to run the table this year they would definitely be the fly in the ointment for the college playoffs this year !That is awesome from a big time sports caster like Tim Brando to backup the Y. My suggestion to you would be to wait no longer to jump on the COUGAR bus because it is starting to roll ! I also will go on record and predict that BYU will be mentioned in the college football playoffs long before the u gets a sniff.Mark it down.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    Chris B,

    We're still waiting on your list of 7 opponents that you think the Utes are capable of beating this season, so we can evaluate your credibility.

    Your silence is deafening!

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil

    pleblian obviously thinks the Utes will be facing the same 3-9 Michigan team they faced the last time they visited the Big House.

    Utah fans are in for a rude awakening to reality.

    Of Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado, Michigan, ASU and OSU are near certain losses, the Utes have a slight chance of beating Arizona or WSU, but not both, and Colorado could pull off the upset - 1-5 is likely, with an outside chance at 2-4.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    taylormade,

    We're still waiting on your media member back east who said byU would be included in some way with the big boys within 4 years. You shouldn't have a problem with us evaluating his credibility.

    Your silence is deafening!

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Utah will go 7-5"

    Still waiting for your bold prediction of which 7 teams Utah is going to beat in 2014 - come on Chris, show some guts and give us names.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    pleblian

    "Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado are all,optimistically, 50/50 games."

    You're dreaming! ASU is going to walk all over Utah as they have since 1978.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    Predictions:

    BYU - 11-2, bowl win, #16 in final poll - losses Texas, UCF

    USU - 10-3, bowl win, #23 in final poll - losses Tennessee, BYU, Boise State

    Utah - 4-8, home for the holidays - wins Idaho St, Fresno St, Washington St, Colorado

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    Can we all agree that an 8-4 UoU season would be the best season ever for any team from the state of Utah?

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    Im imagine, head to head it would be, Utah > USU > BYU this year. However the overall records will reflect: BYU > USU > UoU.

    I don't expect USU to be as good on defense or the O-line this year. Which will make it tough to control the clock/turnovers with Tennessee, and make them vulnerable to letdowns against good teams like BYU, BSU and CSU. An overachieving season 11-1. Great season 9-3. Likely, 8-4.

    BYU will not improve over last year because its O-line and D-line haven't improved. Linebackers may be worse. Schedule will hide that. 11-2.

    UoU--it may be nobody can see the improvement / regression inside a very, very good PAC12.

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    If Utah goes 8-4, it will be the most successful season its ever had, arguably better than 2004 UoU and 1984 BYU. But Utah won't. it will be fortunate to go 6-6. Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado are all,optimistically, 50/50 games. If UoU loses 2 of them...it's over-even with another 2013 Stanfordian win. I wish them well.

    BYU--who cares? USU and Texas are the only interesting games. This is a

    USU--Big question mark with a new secondary and offensive line. I think people are giving USU too much hype. Love to see them go 11-2. Realistically would be happy with 8-3.

    Best game of the season? BYU v USU. Two well-matched teams, history, geography.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    I have to disagree with patriot on this one. BYU is due for an exceptional season. They have the right players, a refined offensive playbook and the schedule to allow that to happen... and it will.

    A similar prediction for USU... if Keeton stays healthy.

    Utah will suffer through another losing season... almost identical to last year's record. Their SOS this season won't allow anything better than that.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    the u will go 5-7 this year IF they can get by Fresno State.With Fresno,s 1st 3 games being USC,utah and Nebraska you can bet they will come into SLC thinking their best shot at a win in the 1st 3 games is against the u .Fresno has been a better team than Boise State in the last several years and we all know how the u has fared against Boise State in the last 4-5 games that they have played. Lets just say it has been pretty much an automatic for the pony,s and most of the games haven't been close.Fresno will win a close one and put the u in their annual tailspin.Mark it down !

  • Archer of Paradise Oklahoma City, OK
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    USU wins MWC

    BYU goes 10-2 but beats UT (that's Texas for those Narcissistic Utes). CFU is their toughest game this year. Houston will not be a pushover and neither will Utah State.

    Utah, though I truly wouldn't mind to see them do well, don't go bowling for 3rd straight year. You can argue their superiority (maybe) over BYU and USU but that won't get them to 6 W's. Utes should be careful to not overlook Colorado or Fresno for that matter. Both those teams will beat an opponent at least as good as Utah this year.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    @ Chris and ekute:

    Exactly how can you consider not going to any bowl be the best bowl? I admire optimism, but you two are very unrealistic. Utah is playing at least as tough a schedule as last year when they couldn't pull off a winning record. And definitely tougher than the year before when they couldn't then either. So it's very doubtful it will happen this year.

    Utah will maintain a winning record for the first few weeks and then it's downhill rather quickly. Chris will then become very quiet, just like he did through parts of last season.

    We all know the history of Chris's predictions. They usually give many of us our best laugh of the week as they are usually very wrong. That's not meant as a put-down. It's just a simple fact.

    He made very similar predictions for Utah the past 2 seasons and we all know how those turned out. Not so good. This year, ekute is buying into the hype for reasons unknown and unsubstantiated.

    I'm just happy for Chris, ekute and their families that they doesn't live in Las Vegas where gambling is legal.

  • One Angry Salebarn Worker Madison, SD
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    BYU toasts Texas, who still can't stop Hill. But BYU cannot deal with the speed of Central Florida, despite being bigger at almost all positions, line and receiver.

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    Aug. 26, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    Whit will be unemployed and and the Great Salt Lake will rise 2 feet due to all the sobbing and blubbering. WAAAAAAaaaaaaaa

    BYU and USA will go bowling

  • CodyCougar Madison, SD
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Chris B . . .

    BYU 29
    USU 23
    UU 22

    A world apart.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    Texas, Boise, Utah State will be losses and the rest are cup cake games. Very mediocre year I predict.

  • TheWhy Columbus, OH
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    If BYU runs the table -- which would be welcome and overdue -- it will not earn a spot in the playoffs. BYU has to be more consistent at winning regularly, especially big-time games.

  • bri_guy Logan, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    BYU goes 8-4 with loses to Texas, UCF, USU, and Boise.

    USU goes 11-1 with a loss at Arkansas State and wins the MWC against Fresno.

    Utah goes 6-6 with loses to Fresno, Michigan, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Stanford.

  • Flyer St. George, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    If I were Chris B, I'd steer clear of making any predictions. The last one he made was Utah beating a lowly WCC St. Mary's in basketball. Just thought I would offer some free timely advice.

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    Prediction:

    Utah 5-7 (schedule is too tough, and they aren't that good this year)
    Utah State 10-2 (Chuckie is awesome and the Aggies look very solid this year - they'll win the Mountain West! Go Aggies

    BYU 11-1 (will lose a close one this year).

    Because BYU will be so dominate this year - blowing out most of their opponents, they will be ranked high at the end of the season (probably top 12 or so). Which will allow them to be ranked in the top 10 to start next season - leading to them being selected in the football playoffs.

    BYU will play in the national championship game.

    As a result, Ute fans everywhere (except Chris B), will cheer for BYU!

    It's gonna be amazing...

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Utah will go to the best bowl.

    USU will win the MWC.

    ESPN will apologize for some of the lackluster games that it's obliged to air.

  • G-Day-M8 Where is Waldo, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    My predictions.

    Regular season

    BYU: 10-2 losses at Texas and UCF

    Utah: 4-8 Won't run the table of UA, CU, OSU, WSU. Looses at Michigan. Won't have a surprise win like Stanford.

    USU: 10-2 with losses at BYU and Tennessee

    Post season

    BYU: Wins Miami Beach bowl. Final record 11-2 breaks the top 25.

    Utah: Home on the couch

    USU: Wins their division but Looses to Fresno State in MWC Championship game and gets a bowl win. Final record 11-3 and breaks the top 25.

  • Levin Reno, NV
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    Seems to project the USU-BYU game will be a good one. Both sets of fans think they are going to win it, and the DN staff are split.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    Don't see BYU losing to Utah State or Boise, probably 11/1. Don't see Utah beating Michigan or Arizona, probably 4/4. Don't see USU beating BYU or Tennessee probably 10/2. That from my crystal ball.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    Utah will go 7-5 and go to the best bowl game

    byU and usU will each lose a game very early and their "quests" will be over almost immediately. After that, trying to convince yourselves that games against Wyoming and UNLV and Middle Tennessee community college are important will be difficult.

    byU and usU may go 8-4 or 9-3, but with their horrible schedules they should go 11-1.

    Go Utes!
    Go Pac 12!
    Go anyone who plays byU

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    BYU will be undefeated and earn a spot in the playoffs.