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Published: Monday, Aug. 25 2014 1:50 p.m. MDT

Updated: Tuesday, Aug. 26 2014 6:45 a.m. MDT

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Vladhagen
Salt Lake City, UT

This poll again shows that 80% of Utah is misinformed in regard to Common Core. I find it interesting that Mr. Norton sees that lack of familiarity with the standards plays in his advantage. The less people know, the more likely they are to lash out against what they do not understand. He has natural allies in the fight against Common Core: Misinformation, apathy, and impulsive decisions to decry the standards.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

So 4 in ten oppose a set of standards they know literally nothing about. What does this tell you about 4 in ten Utahns?
As Oscar Wilde wrote, "Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone."

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

As someone who has actually read the common core standard, I find the biggest problem is that it is a very low standard. But, there is no requirement to not go beyond the common core standard, so that makes it viable.

Schools should adopt the common core and then be allowed to go way beyond it!

michaelitos
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with Kralon. As someone who has read the standards (fyi you can read them too, just Google Common Core Standards), they are a good starting point. However, they are the minimum. I would hope that our educators would use them to guide their curriculum development and evern surpass them!

Common Core = Increased College/Career Readiness = Better for Utah Children

It's a good starting place, but let's not stop there!

Ender
Salt Lake City, UT

Since there is so much misunderstanding out there. I just want to encourage everyone to Google Utah Core Standards and visit the USOE's website on the matter. There are even links there to the standards themselves. Read them; they're great!

They provide a nice set of objectives, while leaving the curriculum (how to actually teach) in the hands of local teachers, schools, and districts.

Mandyz
Syracuse, UT

I do not agree with the common core standards for math. They have lowered the standard (calculus can only be reached if your child does the honor track for math beginning in seventh grade). Not only have they lowered the overall standard, they have taken a subject that is straightforward and turned it into a convoluted mess. Their objective is to teach students to use number manipulation, and to understand that in math there are multiple different ways to reach the same conclusion. However, you must learn the basics FIRST. They are taught at LEAST ten different 'methods' to use to add. And subtract. And multiply. And divide. They have them add to subtract and multiply to divide. Then the worst part is-if the kids do the problem correctly but use a method other than the one the teacher had in mind, it's wrong. I have three kids in elementary right now who are trying to learn math using these common core methods. Give them a math problem, don't tell them HOW to do it, and they just sit there. This is not INCREASING their number awareness, it's DECREASING it.

bradleyc
Layton, UT

Everyone with IOS, Android or Windows should go and download the "Common Core" app from your appropriate App store. It is a great source to read the standards and decide what you think. Until you know, you cannot judge. I love the common core. Oak Norton doesn't understand what the core is or where it came from.

souptwins
Lindon, UT

"Seek first to understand then to be understood." Seems Norton prefers people not understand-- ever.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

And as ususal the harping on standards by the supporters and the half truth half conveniantly omitted reporting of the deseret news as they recite the talking points from the common core website. I have given 3 posts on the standards already showing the half truth half lie of their creation and validation (even including statements by current super intendants some of which support this measure) the standards are in some respect are not necessarily the issue here (although if you were complaining about teaching to the test under NCLB you just got the upgrade with a dose of steroids). It is the devil in the details tendrils attached and inseperably connected to it which none of the supporters including a member of the current state board of eductaion can adequately answer. These include the Data collection,relaxation of privacy laws, Funding,School ratings systems,and Curriculum (not standards) interwoven into this thing.

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

I have used Common Core type methods in home school. Since it requires the teacher to know the methods inside and out, I can see how it can be confusing for kids when the teacher does not know what they are doing. I also think it works better with smaller classroom sizes. I also think that raising stands in education is a good thing, but I don't think it will solve some of the underlying factors as to why many American kids are behind the rest of the world.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

When I consider who opposes common core, I know it must be a good thing.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

State governors were solicited to adopt Common Core and they would get additional federal money to support education. How is the federal government not involved?

The standards were put together by Bill Gates and his foundation. In the late 1800s, JP Morgan, Carnegie, and Rockefeller pushed the "public school" as a way to train employees for their factories. No one cared about the kids - they only cared about a steady stream of workers coming off the farms and into the factories. No different today with Gates and his agenda.

Public schools are factories themselves. They churn out kids who can pass a standardized test and get the school funding for the next year. Our kids don't matter to professional educators - money does.

There are some teachers who care, but they get ground down and lose that compassion.

Thankfully we home school. My wife and I are far more qualified to educate our kids than a C student from some junior college....

one old man
Ogden, UT

This is exactly what happens when gullible people obtain all their "information" from propaganda machines.

It speaks volumes about Utah's citizenry.

It's not flattering at all, is it?

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Perhaps I haven't read the entire set-up and perhaps I don't understand it, but I see what heppens with my own kids (our school district proudly sponsors Common Core).

My kindergartner (who, simply put, is hyper) doesn't get recess because he hasn't finished his morning work -- no recess results in him having too munch pent up energy later in the day and is constantly in 'time-out' as a result.

First grader comes home from school with ever deepening stress lines because she struggles to complete her classroom work and so doesn't get recess. She struggles to comprehend the 'new math', and so keeps getting further and further behind.

Overall, I see school drop out rates higher, language skills lower, and all from pressing kids earlier to be academic brains in order to compete with children across the world. I just want my children to have a childhood, learn to read, write, and do math.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

When I consider who supports common core, I know it must be a bad thing.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

The poll results do not surprise me. Many people without opinions are content to let things be if they see no major problems. Those who really understand CC are satisfied that it is a step the right direction to improve education toward more local control. It is certainly an improvement over NCLB which was a poorly thought out over-reaching federal government program which was the brain child of the Republican party. Where were the far right critics then? Those who oppose common core are purposely spreading false information to try to undermine the public education system at the expense of the children in the state. Oak, Gayle and others have been trying to do this for years.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

The common core standards are actually a good starting point as some have suggested. As someone who works and does research in education I would also concur that they are actually too light in some areas, and could use a bit more muscle so to speak. I think the angst that many Utahns have regarding the CC is that it is being federally funded. This apprehension can be resolved somewhat by educating citizens to the fact that the CC does not dictate pedagogy or even curriculum. It only gives the standards by which curriculum should be framed so that students understand key concepts and content whether they reside in Utah or West Virginia. Does it make sense for a student in Utah be held to one set of standards while a student in West Virginia is held to another? Especially when their collegiate endeavors will have similar expectations based on common standards (accreditation)? The federal government is not dictating pedagogy. The states still decide curriculum under CC, NOT the federal government.

StringFellowHawk
Blaine, Wa.

Let's see.........low standards? Well, this seems consistent with the term 'dumbing down' the school systems. It appears that is basically the problem, for it hurts ONLY, those who are actually smarter or are prepared to actually work toward making progress in school work, and in reality, want to make something of themselves, and realize that it is through that hard work, that they succeed. It is designed to help those who are not as talented or 'smarter' or prepared, to do what is necessary to get passing grades. While those who want to work, want to strive to do that which will propel them to greater heights in learning, are held in check simply because they are held back by those who cannot or will not, do those things needed to make them better students, and thus....better citizens in the future.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

We need to pull up our socks and get informed before we make important decisions.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Most adult Utahns aren't smart enough to know that putting their children in class sizes of 40 or more students is a bad idea so why should I be surprised with this poll...

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