It's a tough leave for all fringe players. Some players need to be in the
right place at the right time. Too bad for all the players cut. It may be time
to go out and find a real job now.
?Anyone know what Austin Collie is up to these days?
"your Ute-trash-talker pals (Chris B, Seniors, 54-10…) are in these
BYU stories"Well:Occasionally, the DNews publishes
sports articles that aren't exclusively about BYU. This isn't a
"BYU story." It's a periodically updated article about local
college players cut (and in Joe Kruger's case, resigned) in the NFL.
First, I will admit that I am a tad bit frustrated that there are quite a few
more former Utes in the NFL than former Cougars. However, out of all the metrics
you can go by for how good a College football program is, I would rank players
in the NFL near the bottom of the list. Why? Well, because so few players from
any school actually make it to the NFL. Even fewer get significant playing time
ever. Most don't last long. There are players in the NFL not only from FBS
teams, but also some from FCS teams for a reason: It is an individual
accomplishment. Can some coaches do a lot to help prepare players for the NFL?
Sure. But ultimately it is an individual accomplishment. This is one
reason I am able to easily separate former Ute players from the rivalry and
cheer fro them. If they are good players and good people I will cheer for them.
Thus, for example, Steve Smith, Eric Weddle, and Star are 3 of my favorite
current NFL players right there along with Pitta, Ziggy, and Van Noy.
Uteology—Oh, come on. Seriously? No Devils fan overlooks the Kittycats.
Ever. If you’re really an ASU alum, you know that. No, you missed the
point: Nov. 1's when the Devils will complete the four-year sweep of your
Utes. Again--it's about *winning the games.* Sure, we’ll take real
good care of the Mildcats later, but you're, um, one of the speed bumps.Dr. Ute--yeah, the Devils were down in the Holiday, and Tech was hungry.
But who had a 10-4 year? Played in the *Pac-12 championship*? Or even went
bowling? Fine, you got Stanford's number, once, but we entered the title
game *on a seven-game winning streak.* In the Pac-12! Apparently you missed a
few sports stories yourself. Anyway: Come back and talk to me about fur pieces
after the Utes pull off a 7-gamer.Co Ute--Fine, I also cheer for
BYU. So there's my horse in this race. But look, your Ute-trash-talker pals
(Chris B, Seniors, 54-10…) are in these BYU stories all the time.
Turnabout’s fair play. Just be glad the Ducks fans aren’t on here.
Brahmabull"54-10He must live in a circle with all of
those neighbors."Actually they are called cul-de-sacs and they
permit 5-6 homes to be in very close proximity.
Unless I read the article wrong.... Joe Kruger was released by one team and
signed by another. Hoffman getting cut surprised me. I think he is terrific!
From BYU I thought he and Van Noy would make rosters.Reed may be
running out of NFL time but has had a nice run in the league. Dunn could find a
home if the right fit opened up with a team needing a returner. Stanford will
probably end up signing with some team during the year. He is a proven, steady
I think it is funny that some posters make comments about what other fans think,
fans from Phoenix (that have no reason to be looking at this article unless they
are U or Y supporters), and the childish back and forth if Star was or
wasn't a 'consensus' All American. Just shows that any article
with reference to U or Y gets some crazy comments.Congratulations to all
the players mentioned here. At least they got a chance to play in the NFL if
only in pre season.So, to keep the ball rolling, ESPN currently lists 3
times as many players from Utah in the NFL than players from BYU. Not to hard
to argue which team has done a better job developing NFL players recently.
54-10He must live in a circle with all of those neighbors.
Well......What?Lots of puffery there, especially representing a team
that lost its shirt against Texas Tech in the last game, & TT had lost five
in a row before that --- lost to Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor,
and Texas before whupping up on you boys. (That's right, Texas.)So if TT had a middle of the road season, where does that put Sparky?ASU is a fur piece from invincible, and by Nov 1st there'll be lots of
film out there to show how its done.(BTW, you might recall Stanford
had your number, and we had Stanford's number.)So your message
about Utah's demise in 2014 may be a bit premature. Keep
reading the funny papers, 'cause you obviously aren't reading the
latest news on the sports page! LOL!!!
Vegas and skitter, if that's all true, then I stand corrected, as well as
the sources that claimed Star as "consensus." But you're right that
a great college career doesn't necessarily equate to a pro career.
Regardless of whether or not one out of several services named him a first
teamer, Star was a phenomenal player, and is picking up right where he left off
in college.As for Harvey, he's a great dude. Got to meet him
once several years back, and was very impressed by his character (honor code
violation notwithstanding) as well as his play on the field. But from an
objective viewpoint, I'm afraid his window for an NFL career is closing.
His first year kind of paralleled Matt Asiata's, and while it hasn't
worked out for Harvey, Matt's career is now quickly taking off. You can
never know what will happen sometimes.
Sad to hear that the former Aggie, Michael Smith, was cut. Honestly, I think he
is the best running back product of Utah State the last 3-4 years. He was
overshadowed by Robert Turbin. I still think he's better than Turbin, but
just needs to be given a shot.Sad to hear that Kerwynn Williams was
also let go. Just gotta find the right fit, I guess, and he's a pretty
small (but still fast) dude for the NFL.
@WellOnly in Salt Lake City. But keep wearing those rose-colored
glasses and bragging about your sweeps of BYU all you want. Our seniors are
looking forward to a certain sweep of our own on Nov. 1, and here's to
saying it's gonna happen. Bank it. See ya in the funny papers.------------As an ASU alum, I would like to let you on a secret:
The Devils don't have November 1st circled, they have November 28th
circled. Arizona leads 47-39-1 (.546) over ASU.How much does the
rivalry game mean to ASU:"This [Arizona game] is one of the most
important games of the year to the people in Tempe and all of our fans...
It's huge. It's huge for our fans, for bragging rights, for tradition.
It's big.""It dates back to before I was here. We keep
it in the locker room but guys are down there talking about how much they want
to win and how much they don't like U of A""The Sun
Devils and Wildcats hate each other... [it's a] fact that this one game can
make or break a school's entire football season".
Um, Uteology, for what it's worth, down here in ASU country we think some
of you Utah fans need a serious education in college football. Exhibit A: All
the smack talk from a team likely to finish the year with a losing record.
Exhibit B: All your "Pac-12 Pride." Talk is cheap, my friend. Actually
winning the games is what matters when you're Big Time. Check out sometime
how long it took the Devils to get to the Rose Bowl after joining the Pac-10.You and your pals. Read your own comments and see how naive you sound.
Especially when you think bashing your rival is even better than cheering for
your own team. Hey, we make plenty of fun of the Kittycats in Tucson ourselves,
but we don't think all that's actually supporting the Devils or doing
ourselves any good. Only in Salt Lake City. But keep wearing those rose-colored
glasses and bragging about your sweeps of BYU all you want. Our seniors are
looking forward to a certain sweep of our own on Nov. 1, and here's to
saying it's gonna happen. Bank it. See ya in the funny papers.
@79UteSo your Stanford neighbor said we're worse then USC
fans.Your USC fans, who were the worst fans until we came to the
league, are now scared to travel to Salt Lake?Is that story you want
to tell?"Our Colorado neighbors laugh at the Utah-CU rivalry;
they think USC is their big rival."Really? Do your Colorado
neighbors know that Colorado-USC have only played a total of 9 games in their
entire history? You might want to let them know their real rival is
Nebraska.Colorado–Nebraska:First meeting: 1898 Nebraska leads, 49–18–2Colorado–UtahFirst
meeting: 1903Colorado leads, 31–26–3
Relax everyone. These guys were cut for a reason. This article simply states the
observations as to why. These guys are professionals and can handle it. My stars
everyone is so sensitive to people getting their feelings hurt. Send them a
soccer trophy or set up a fund drive if y'all feel so bad...
@54-10Well since he lists his residence as Orange County, CA it is a
pretty good guess that he has A LOT of neighbors. Ever heard of a city or a
suburb? Lots of people live in them.
@uteology"Notably, 73 percent of first-time visitors surveyed
said they were more likely to visit Utah again for reasons other than a football
game."Sounds to me like they want to come back but will go ahead
and avoid res. lol
BYU and Utah fans are hilarious. Both are sore losers and think that anyone not
or has not worn their team jersey is pathetic and doesn't belong. Making
or not making the NFL is an individual accomplishment. It has nothing, again
nothing to do with what university that they attended or did not attend. And
anyone taking Ernest serious, I have nothing to say.
@Jeff29 and 79Ute: I think it all depends on who you speak with. I've had
friends come in from Arizona, Texas and California who have all cheered their
repsective teams. While there was some good natured jabs going both ways I never
heard anything rude, crude or otherwise. Maybe it depends on the area they sat
in. My point though, is that the experiences of a few cannot be used to judge
the actions of the whole of the stadium. And that goes both ways.
@Uteology, 54-10 and others,You do realize that you are arguing with
a fellow Utah fan (UTE79), right? What incentive are you assuming that he has
for lying about this?
79UteOrange County, CAWow, you have a lot of neighbors.
@Uteology:The Stanford neighbor went to last year's game at
RES. He said that the heckling from Utah fans was crude and rude, even though
Utah won the game, and he'd never go to RES again. From the
study you cited: "Notably, 73 percent of first-time visitors surveyed said
they were more likely to visit Utah again FOR REASONS OTHER THAN A FOOTBALL
GAME." My neighbor said he would go again for the skiing, loved
his hotel (Monaco) and the restaurants, but said he would never go to a
football game at Utah again because the fan abuse. He said it was worse than
going to an SC game at the Coliseum.The two USC neighbors go to an
away game together every year, attended the 2012 game at RES, and said
essentially the same thing. The USC pair have attended games together
throughout the PAC12 and at Notre Dame, Arkansas, Hawaii, and BYU. We
didn't do well in any comparisons in terms of fan behavior or facilities
(except for Aloha Stadium). Our Colorado neighbors laugh at the
Utah-CU rivalry; they think USC is their big rival.
I'm with Vegas Ute. Can't stand to watch BYU play, but I loved
watching Collie play in the NFL. Wish these guys well in the future.
skitter:It's all good! I agree with you about the local
talent. I love the rivalry, but once these kids get out of college, why knock
the individual players? Of course there will always be exceptions to the rule
for obvious reasons (Max Hall - lol), but in general, life is too short and
football is way too much fun!Let the games begin!!Go
N.F.L. = Not For Long. This applies to both coaches and players. Injuries and
fierce competition make this a REALLY short term career even for the best of
I want to alter a comment someone else made. Let this be a lesson to all
college football players -- fight for everything you can get while in college
(including an education) because once those 15 minutes of fame end, it's
hard to get it back.
Vegas utes, great comment. In no way whatsoever was I bashing Star or anyone
else. I was simply responding to an earlier comment by a person who loves mock
BYU. I hope they all find a home and I hope Star has a hall of fame career.
The more local talent to nake it the better.
Best of luck to those who were dropped. I am surprised by Hoffman. He is a
very good receiver and I thought he would stick. I really like Unga, but he has
had his time to make it, and I'm afraid he is done. For obvious reasons, I
am really disappointed in Kruger being dropped. He caught such a bad break last
year with the injury, but I guess that is the NFL.Good luck to all
in their next journey in life, whether it is still in the NFL or not.I hate to say this, but I remember that Skitter is correct. It was originally
reported that Star was consensus, but when all the lists came out, he was one
list short of qualifying as consensus. Regardless, your argument is just a big
"who cares?" Move on you two! Although Skitter was technically
correct, the only thing that Skitter posted that has any value was
"unfortunately great college players don't always make great pro
players", which is pretty much an obvious statement.Bring on
East Coast ute. My bad. I guess espn, usa today, sb nation, cbs amd
sportsrefence.com were mistaken. I wish the best for all of the athletes from
the state. red or Blue. But unfortunately great college players don't
always make great pro players.
"College football notebook: Utah's Star Lotulelei is a consensus
All-AmericanDeseret NewsPublished: Friday, Dec. 14 2012 8:40
p.m. MST""Seven other Pac-12 football players were consensus
selections, including Oregon senior RB Kenjon Barner, Arizona sophomore RB
Ka'Deem Carey, Stanford senior TE Zach Ertz and junior OL David Yankey,
Utah senior DL Star Lotulelei, Arizona State junior DL Will Sutton, and Oregon
State DB Jordan Poyer. In addition, UCLA senior RB Johnathan Franklin was a
Football Writers All-America selection."Please do your own
From first hand experience I know how it sucks to have your dreams crash and
burn around you. Although I bleed crimson, I wish nothing but the best for
these guys (particularly Kruger, for obvious reasons). At least they got close
enough to the stars to feel the warmth.
Oh Really, please research a little more. Star was first team on three ballots
AP, Scout, WCFF. That is not a consensus all american. The defensive linemen
CONSENSUS all americans for 2012 were Jadeveon Clowney, Bjorn Warner, Will
Sutton and Damontre Moore.
Sorry folks. A loss by 50 or a loss by 1 still shows as a loss. A win by 50 or
a win by 1 still shows up as a win. Anything else is just speculation.
@79UteJust curious, how many immediate UCLA, USC, Colorado, and
Stanford grad neighbors that attended a game at RES did you survey?Because according to the Bureau of Economic and Business Research study your
analysis is wrong:"A total of 321 out-of-state attendees to the
five Pac-12 home games [in 2012] were surveyed ... about their attitudes of Salt
Lake City and the University. Visitors were asked their impressions
of the area both before and after their visits. In every instance, favorable
impressions increased, and neutral or unfavorable impressions decreased after
visiting the area. Notably, 73 percent of first-time visitors
surveyed said they were more likely to visit Utah again for reasons other than a
football game."According to the NFL Players Association the
average career length is about 3.3 years. So Unga is right, this isn't for
everyone.Good luck to all making another roster or a practice squad.
For the didn't-make-it-past-pee-wees posters (we all know who you are):It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The
credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by
dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again
and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who
does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great
devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the
end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least
fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and
timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Teddy Roosevelt
@skitterI'm a Y fan, and I googled 2012 Consensus All American
Team and found Star on the team. He was Consensus, but not Unanimous.
East Coast ute. Star was never a CONSENSUS All American. Your last one was
Louie Sakoda. Please google 2012 Consensus All American team.
Sorry to see Unga and Hoffman cut. Hopefully they'll find their niche with
teams where they fit in better--unclear whether either ever really had much of a
chance to show what they could do in game situations. Especially Hoffman put
with a QB who can deliver the ball would be really fun to watch.79Ute: You're class, man. Fully agreed and wish all Ute fans showed the
same respect and minded their own business. Just FYI, Chris B/"Seniors"
and friends: We at ASU *still* remember the epic-fail-rush-the-field-incident at
the Fiesta Bowl. Yes, my friends, Tempe police are STILL zero-tolerance and
carry Tasers. Act like you've been there, willya? Start talking smack once
your own team's actually keeping anyone up at night. Go cheer for them once
in a while, sounds like they could use it! Sheesh. Kids. See you Nov. 1! Looking
forward to it!
To the ute with the cute name, I remember when we beat the utes 13 out of 14 so
what goes around comes around. Didn't hear maybe utes talking smack
I actually feel the worst about Joe Kruger, even as a BYU fan. I felt he should
have stayed at Utah another year. I think his team could have used his help and
he could have improved himself as a player and finished his degree. It
surprised me when he declared but wished he could have made it work.
@Smokin' Joe:Liking your comment wasn't enough - well said
and, while needed, will almost certainly go unheeded.This absurd,
negative, ad nauseum commenting by both BYU fans and Utah fans on anything
related to the other school is beneath what dignity the writers may believe they
have. U who fans think they've been elevated through their affiliation
with the PAC12 need to take a lesson from the fans of the other members of the
conference in the way they show their fanaticism. It's bush league
behavior that makes this U alum ashamed. My immediate neighbors are UCLA, USC,
Colorado, and Stanford grads. Their reports of Utah fan behavior at games
they've attended at RES and their home stadiums would make even "Proud
PAC12 member" Chris B embarrassed of the association. @Ernest
T. Bass:The article about the Unga signing was nothing of the sort
you described - you're imagining things. Please and re-read Smokin'
Joe's comment, especially the last sentence.
Sweeper: No need to bad mouth Harvey Unga and Cody Hoffman on this post. There
are many who know and love both these guys and all that they contributed to the
BYU football program. Why do some people enjoy spewing so much hate? We need to
support and love one another more in this world no matter what team they
represent.Good luck Harvey and Cody in finding a good place to land.
You both deserve the best!Go Cougars!
skitter, actually Utah's last consensus All-American is one of the best
defensive tackles in the league.
Chris B. yeah it is to bad 2 BYU legends could not find a home in the nfl. The
nfl is not for everyone. Just ask utah's last consensus All American.
Sakoda just got cut from the Canadian league.
The disparaging comments about these football players are way over the top.
What difference does it make what school they played for? The fact of the
matter is they are human beings and men in need of jobs to support themselves
and sometimes their families. Stop the nonsense of mocking them for no other
reason than they attended a different University than you. It says something
about a person (and its not good) when he revels in the failure of others.
Too bad for Kruger. Wish he would have stayed in college one more year. We
could have used him last year.
NFL ....Not For LongI'm hoping Cody and Harvey get another
chance. Well, Harvey has been at it now for 3 or 4 years so I guess he's
had a fair shot. Cody has amazing hand eye coordination and body
control, and with his height he beats the cornerback 7/10 times even when he is
covered. Play to his strengths, and I think he'd be awsome in the NFL.
He's gotta be better than a lot of guys on NFL rosters. So he runs a 4.6
40. I believe a guy named Jerry Rice ran a 4.5. I'd rather have a guy
that can catch than a track star.
It's a tough, tough job.I hope the guys on football
scholarships take note and show their wisdom and gratitude for the academic
opportunity by keeping their grades up, since it's very unlikely they will
land a long-term career in the NFL.
What? Why? The headline a few days ago made it sound like the Unga signing was
as big as the Lebron James going back to Cleveland deal.