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Published: Saturday, Aug. 23 2014 9:25 p.m. MDT

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2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

If byU ever wants to be taken seriously and wants people to think they are a big boy, they should act like a big boy.

100% of big boys play 9-10 games against other big boys.

byU is playing 3-5 at most a year against the big boy conference.

Just another reason no one takes byU seriously and whY no one wants to invite them into their conference to give them status like Notre Dame as essentially a big boy.

All conferences could easily designate byU as big boy quality and have that game count as the mandatory out of conference game against the big boys - but all conferences have come back with the same conclusion:

byu is a mid major and plays mid majors quality football and therefore will NOT be considered a big boy

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Chris B. (aka Ute SWEEP and all your other aliases)

this article was written just for you. Yep, it's true... BYU has a ridiculously easy schedule this season.

"100% of big boys play 9-10 games against other big boys."

I'd love to hear who all 9 of the Utes opponents are considered "big boys." If you're counting Colorado, Idaho State, and Washington State than you obviously don't understand college football and who the real players are.

Jumbojimbo
Cheyenne, WY

While BYU was in the MWC we played 1-2 so called big boys a year. Utah I know you remember that phase. Now with Independence we can play 5-6 a year which is quite a leap, of course not as good as a Power Conference. BYU will not get in a power conference, because we are a religious school. That is the only reason. It has nothing to do with our schedule, our quality of play, or any other matter. Just because you're in the PAC 12 doesn't qualify you as a big boy. You need to win more than 4 conference games a year. Utah will never be able to compete in the PAC 12. You won't recruit against UCLA, USC, and Oregon. You will win no more than 5 games this year, and that's if you're lucky. Wittingham will be fired,and you will sink below Colorado in the PAC, but it's ok cause you're with the big boys.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

If BYU is such a mid-major-quality program, why do you and the Ute fans, players, and coaches put their whole heart and soul int making sure they beat BYU? Would a mid-major-quality program be such a threat that the AD would not schedule them because the schedule would be too hard with them on it?

Cougarista
Salt Lake City, UT

Why are you are reporting this as news when the schedule has been known for months?

Pavalova
Surfers Paradise, AU

Isn't it great that being a member of a "power" conference is an automatic "Im better than you because i play against other teams in my conference" attitude. Florida State of the ACC will play 2 tough games this year (Clemson and Florida). Alabama might play 3, and so on and so on... For teams like Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Virginia, etc, every game is tough because they stink. But for the good programs, they really only have two/three tough games in any given year.

With the alignment of the P5 conferences it is just an evolution of the BCS program. We want to keep the $ for ourselves and we won't play other power conferences in any meaningful games. In the end, the fans are deprived of a true championship in football. Too bad.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

TCU, Baylor, ND, and Boston College are all religious schools, yet they are all considered P5 teams. Stop playing the victim and accept reality. BYU is not the golden prize that many BYU fans seem to think it is.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Riverton Cougar

Utah is playing one of the toughest schedules in the country. Answer this question honestly. Why would Utah want to play BYU? Where is the benefit for Utah's program?

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Wiscougarfan (AKA duckhunter, sammyg, and all of your own other aliases)

Actually, Chris B Halliday. was right. The University of Utah plays 5 ranked teams this year as opposed to BYU's zero ranked teams. The ranked teams are Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, and Arizona State. In addition to these, the U plays a very tough Oregon State team whose quarterback is better than any quarterback BYU will face. Same thing with Washington State and Conner Halliday. Arizona is better than any team BYU will face. And playing Michigan in the Big House would be hard for any D1 team, especially BYU.

You take Chris B. to task for "obviously not understanding college football," yet from your post, I believe one could conclude the same thing about yourself.

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID

It's very simple - BYU is a mid major and a very good one at. Utah is mid major playing in a P-5 conference. That's why Utah is the Kansas of the PAC-12.

sg
newhall, CA

with a schedule as soft as this one, BYU should be ashamed of themselves for ever going independent. Maybe two games worth watching the others? Sports highlights or just look at the game stats. This is a team hooked up with a lousy bowl too.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"Why would Utah want to play BYU? Where is the benefit for Utah's program?"

Because their fans love it. Besides, implying that Utah is too god for BYU goes against what Chris Hill has said. He is all for continuing the rivalry.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

2fer:
"TCU, Baylor, ND, and Boston College are all religious schools, yet they are all considered P5 teams. Stop playing the victim and accept reality. BYU is not the golden prize..."

C'mon 2fer you're normally better than this. TCU and Baylor are in the Big 12 footprint and don't have any issue with Sunday play (though smaller fanbases than BYU). BYU fans have never made the assertion that they weren't included by the Big 12 for religious reasons. Boston College, same thing...they'll play on Sundays and are a research based rather than training based institution. The only assertion BYU fans have made is that the PAC12 has religious bias, and based on their membership that may actually be true. I personally think it has more to do with Sunday play and research status, but to think political or religious bias aren't factors is naive.

"Why would Utah want to play BYU?"

I could ask the same question for BYU. U don't add to the SOS. U aren't a big time program that elevates their status, and they're scheduling other PAC schools just fine. Why should BYU play U?

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Nice try GoRed. Everyone knows Chris B. has multiple alias he uses on these boards, he has admitted as much. As for trying to assert that I "obviously don't understand college football" because I made a single claim that neither he nor you can refute is just silly. I said nothing about BYU vs. Utah's schedule, obviously Utah's is much more difficult as it is the 2nd most difficult schedule they've ever faced and this is the worst schedule BYU has faced in a long time.

What I questioned was Chris B.'s assertion that "100% of big boys play 9-10 games against other big boys", which is a flat out lie. I would love to see any evidence that ANY team (P5 or otherwise) in college football plays 9-10 games in a single season against "big boys" (although it wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame did this occasionally). Simply being a P5 school does not make you a big boy. As a graduate of a B1G school with a horrible football program I'll be the first to admit that. Unfortunately anti-BYU posters can't seem to get that very simple concept.

Jumbojimbo
Cheyenne, WY

Two For Flinching
PAC 10 officials before Utah and Colrado entered said they want a school who fit well "culturally" and now Larry Scott says " it makes a lot of sense" for PAC 12 teams to play BYU. He also said "they're a school that’s got a great reputation, a great history of success,” “I’d consider it a high-quality matchup when our teams play against them.” So we are a good enough team to play, we just don't fit culturally, so we will never enter the PAC 12. I think you can figure out what that means.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Jumbojimbo

It means BYU doesn't meet the academic standard.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Riverton Cougar

As a fan I'd rather play Michigan. I believe that is the consensus among the fan base as well. Playing BYU doesn't do anything to help elevate Utah's program.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Cougsndawgs

I think the Big-12 would have been smart to take BYU over TCU. The Big-12 definitely already owns the DFW market, and BYU would have opened a new market. Who knows why is didn't/hasn't happened yet, but I don't believe that religious affiliation was the main issue. I've heard TV rights were a sticking point, but again, who really knows?

As for the PAC-12, I don't think BYU's religious affiliation is really an issue. Most PAC-12 institutions have (or had) active LDS presidents. If bigotry was really the issue that wouldn't be the case. I do think research status was a huge issue, and Sunday play may have been as well because it is a huge inconvenience to rework every conf. tournament and olympic sport schedule just for one school.

Jumbojimbo
Cheyenne, WY

Two For Flinching
See you figured it out. We wont play on Sunday. That has to deal with our religion. So we won't be admitted to the PAC 12. According to the latest rankings of universities BYU ranks higher than Utah. So it's definitely not academics. Good try. Any other excuses. We are a decent team who won't be accepted by other, but we will still played by teams who are in your precious PAC 12. I think Utah and BYU fans need to realize it has nothing to do with quality of play, it has to deal with religion. End of story.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Jumbojimbo
Cheyenne, WY

"According to the latest rankings of universities BYU ranks higher than Utah. So it's definitely not academics."

Actually, it is academics, Jumbo. USNWR is hardly the last word on the very narrow criteria they use but if you want to go down that path, fine. Take a look at how high USNWR ranks byu's grad programs. byu sports a pathetically thin portfolio of advanced degrees and what they have is not highly regarded. From an academic standpoint, USU is a better fit in the Pac-12 than byu. Look it up.

It's also research...or lack there of on byu's part. For decades byu was far more concerned with sports and failed to build any kind of research infrastructure. Too bad.

"...we will still played by teams who are in your precious PAC 12. I think Utah and BYU fans need to realize it has nothing to do with quality of play, it has to deal with religion. End of story."

Bottom line...it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with religion. The bar is too high for byu. End of story.

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