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Published: Friday, Aug. 22 2014 10:50 p.m. MDT

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souptwins
Lindon, UT

PG lost a lot of good players to graduation and won't be nearly the same team. There are good Jr's this fall but few Sr's with much experience. Hard to know what to expect but I'd think next year will be much better.

souptwins
Lindon, UT

Glad to be proven wrong in my pessimism. Way to go, Vikings!

Proud to be American
West Jordan, UT

Everyone is going to have this urge to pat themselves on the back when they beat Alta. The problem is, Alta isn't "Alta" any more. Get used to seeing Alta lose on a consistent basis. In fact give it one more year, and Alta will be finishing consistently at the bottom of the region in all sports. So before you gauge your team's success by beating a supposed "power", be cautious because this isn't the same Alta as you all know it. In fact, FAR from it.

BigBenzo88
Herriman, UT

@Proud to be American - I constantly hear the same thing about Alta not being the Alta of old. Why is that??? Is it due to Corner Canyon??? Are players who normally would have gone to Alta deciding to go to Corner Canyon??? Schools deal with splits all the time and just have to find a way to deal with it. In 2010...Herriman split away from Riverton and Riverton had to simply do the best it could. When I look at the Riverton and Herriman teams of 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013...I think that would have been a scarily good team had they not split.

A&M Fan
Cypress, TX

Kind of sad to think the Black and Blue rivalry may be over. I loved those Alta Bingham games. That was real good football played at a very high level of skill.. and best of all was the mutual respect and friendship these guys had at the end of the game regardless of who won the game.
I travelled to see that game every year. I wish Alta could come back to that level. Why has Bingham been able to maintain a high level of play when Alta has not. Is it Les Hamilton's departure. I do not know. But I really wish it was different.

sinkme
Salt Lake, UT

It's the new High School. Someone just asked why it's so different when comparing Herriman being built and not effecting Riverton. The difference is simply the boundaries. 80% of the kids live in Draper. They now go to Corner Canyon.
If you look at Alta's boundaries now, there are older homes and residents. Draper has younger families moving into new(er) homes. You can certainly argue that Hamilton leaving helped many of these CC seniors to leave Alta and jump to the new school. But it's really just a case of Socioeconomics and geography. I wouldn't be surprised to see Alta drop to 4A in the next few years.

calpreps
Los Angeles, CA

@ BigBenzo88: Corner Canyon gutted Alta High School to the point where Alta could be dropped to 4A next year due to student body size. The biggest majority of players that have made Alta so good over the years, have all lived in Draper, south of 123rd South, which now belongs to Corner Canyon. So yes, Alta is not the same team that people are used to seeing. It's going to take a lot of re-building and frankly, I do not think the current coaching staff with Bob Stephans can get the job done. Alta has not been the same since losing Les Hamilton due to some over-involved parents who thought they knew better than Les. I do see Les Hamilton building Pleasant Grove into a 5A power, that everyone will have to contend with. He is that good! As for Alta, time will only tell, if they will ever to be able to get back to the powerful athletic school that they used to be. I sure hope so, because I am an Alta fan through and through! Go Hawks!

adwight
AMERICAN FORK, UT

If by build you mean recruit then yes, PG will be good.

oremtigger7
orem, UT

Adwight...I noticed that it was PG who knocked you guys out of the playoffs last year...Ouch. How that must sting.

BigBenzo88
Herriman, UT

I think everyone in 5A and in Utah should take notice of Region 4 and thus should take note of the better teams in Region 4 such as Pleasant Grove, American Fork and Herriman. I think last year showed that Region 4 was clearly the most competitive region in 5A and the state. Four teams were tied 1st place and six teams actually could have made the playoffs. I think this year the same holds true...Region 4 will again be the most competitive but I think will fare a little bit better this year again Region 3 in the regular season and in the playoffs.

Region 3 and Region 4 meet eight times in the regular season and I believe Region 4 wins at least five of those contests and I believe Region 3 and Region 4 will all again be paired up in the playoff quarterfinals. Last year Region 3 went 3-1 against Region 4 in the quarterfinals...this year...look for that to be 2-2.

As a Herriman fan...I am keeping my eye on American Fork and Pleasant Grove...both teams are very strong. I believe the October 23rd game Herriman at Pleasant Grove will decide the outright Region 4 champion.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

Benzo,

What does it matter if Region 4 wins more games against Region 3? I realize that you are trying to build up Herriman, but the thing that matters is who wins on November 27th.

I think R4 has five pretty good teams at the top (with Herriman being the best of the five) followed by a Lehi team who is improving, and a not good team in Westlake.

Region 3 has Bingham, then Brighton and Jordan (who I’d put on par with the big five from R4), then Alta (who is in decline from the CC opening and probably on par with Lehi) and then 2 not very good teams in WJ and CH.

The fact that the R4 big 5 has 2 games against WJ and 2 with Alta really skews things. I think you need to look at the Brighton-AF game last week and this week’s Bingham-Herriman to get a feel for how they line up.

R4 will go 4-0 in the first round, but only because they play R2. I think the R1#1 (probably Davis) beats the R3#4 (probably Alta) this year. From there, too early to tell.

Tbirds4lyfe
American Fork, UT

Parry, apparently you didnʻt pay attention to the games last week. American Forkʻs coach handed Brighton that win as AF dominated Brighton, especially in the second half. I would take AF in a rematch as they are the better team, no doubt. Lehi lost to Murray and will be the Lehi of old and will be last.
Let me be the first to aay watch out for Westlake the next couple of years, including this year. They waxed a tough Spanish Fork team 40-20 who were favored to beat them. Thatʻs a young team led by sophomores on both sides of the ball who are in my stake. Remember these names; Chaz Ah You (qb) and Kavika Saanga (LB). They will surprise some teams with a much improved team that is loaded with underclassmen.
If they give Corner Canyon a run for their money in 2 weeks, Region 4 will get much more inreresting.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

Actually, NO. I paid real close attention to the AF-Brighton game. I agree that AF should have won that game. Not sure AF would dominate a rematch, but AF definitely is competitive with Brighton. Please explain what I said that implies that I did not pay attention. I hope Westlake has a great year, but beating a small 4A school does not a season make.

Benzo is trying to spin Region 4 having a winning record against Region 3 to mean that Herriman is great. But four games against WJ and Alta probably gives R4 a 4-0 head start (it is already 2-0) in the head-to-head record. I think the Brighton-AF game showed that R3 is NOT the SEC of Utah HS football. And if Herriman shows well, or wins this week, that further proves the point.

My point is: the region head-to-head means nothing as Benzo is trying imply. The Bingham-Herriman head-to-head and the Brighton-AF head-to-head does mean something.

Tbirds4lyfe
American Fork, UT

@Parry

To imply that Alta and Lehi are on par shows you weren't paying attention. Alta was still very competitive with a very good PG team while Lehi got waxed by possibly the worst 4A school in Murray (at least for the past 4 years).
I thought Spanish Fork would beat WL to be honest as I thimk they will actually challenge Timpview and Salem Hills in their region. Iʻll still reserve judgement on WL until after the Corner Canyon game but that win (and score) against a pretty talented SF team was impressive.
BigBenzo is obviously a Herriman homer but he's right about Region 4 being the toughest Region hands down. I personally think AF will be the best twam in the region when itʻs all said and done. In saying that, there are 5 teams that can win that region and it probably wouldnʻt surprise to many people.

RebeardTheFiend
West Jordan, UT

Tbird, why do you think Spanish Fork will challenge Timpview and Salem Hills in the region? Are they that much improved over last year? How are their numbers? They are only in their second year of playing 4A ball.

plyxply
SLC, UT

Region 4 is a good region, but Region 3 is superior and will have more teams at Rice Eccles than any of the other three. I realize everyone is counting Alta out but Alta was up on PG in the 4th quarter and if not for a fumbled snap by the punter it could've easily gone Alta's way. Herriman may finally get a chance to play on the turf, and AF and PG are good this year, but I don't think Region 4 is as deep or as talented as Region 3.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

plyxply, I have to disagree. And I am a Bingham alum so I pull for R3. I think the AF-Brighton game showed that the difference between R3 and R4 isn't that great. I think Bingham is the best by far (of course Herriman could, and might, prove me wrong on that this week) but Bingham being so superior boosts R3. But I don't think that there is much difference between Brighton, Jordan, PG, LP, Riverton, Herriman, AF, or Davis. Both regions have a couple of not good teams at the bottom.

I think Alta is down and the fact that that PG game slipped away demonstrates that, the Alta teams of 2005-2009 would never have let that game slip away. Alta likely will finish 4th in region and go on the road to lose in the first round this year. Not "counting Alta out", but the reality is that they are not the same program since Hamilton left and Corner Canyon opened.

R4 plays R2 in the first round so they will most likely get 4 teams into the quarters. Pretty early to be predicting how many teams each region will put on the turf though.

eagle
Provo, UT

In 4A one could say Region 8 is the best league because Timpview took state. But in reality Region 8 was the weakest league in 4A. I think one has to look top to bottom and I think Region 3 and 4 are very close in quality at both top and bottom. Bingham might be the best team but I think teams 2-5 in Region 4 might be as strong or better than Region 3. I guess time will tell.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

eagle,

Well said. Same point I was trying to make, but stated much better.

Tbirds4lyfe
American Fork, UT

@Rebeard
SF actually beat Salem Hills in an away game last year in their rival game. They return a lot of their best players on both sides of the ball, especially Jason Money who is a 3 year starter at QB and is the most underrated player in the state. SF was a top 3A school that actually played in the championship prior to moving up. Every year top 3A schools beat 4A and even 5A schools (ask Orem).
The reality is the Tbirds lost 18 starters, including the whole O-line. As long as Covey stays healthy, weʻll have a shot. Defensively, Gabe Reid will anchor practically a whole new defense that was dominant last year.
Salem Hills returns Gustin and a few of their top players but they still lost to SF. Gustin ,ay be the best athlete in the state (perhaps second to Masina), but Money is the better QB between the 2.
That of course is my humble opinion as the games will eventually be played on the field.

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