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Published: Friday, Aug. 22 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Friday, Aug. 22 2014 10:10 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Dershowitz calls the two felony indictments brought against Texas Gov. Rick Perry as “un-American” and part of an “extremely dangerous trend,”"

I have to agree with Dershowitz.

And, in general the Republicans will join with Dershowitz and yell "un-American" and "extremely dangerous" and the Democrats will defend this and list why this is substantive.

And then we take the talk of impeachment of Obama and the actual law suit filed against him. This is also "un-American" and a "Dangerous trend". And the partisans will switch roles.

And, I have little doubt the people on both sides will comment on how one is completely justified and the other is bogus.

In the end, they are both partisan, political maneuvers, plain and simple.

ECR
Burke, VA

Boy, the world seems to have turned upside down. The Deseret News is quoting the likes of Alan Dershowitz, the Washington Post and David Plouffe to support their editorial position. Certainly the indictment against Governor Perry seems a bit over the top. But as you state so clearly "[b]y the weird logic of the indictment, Mr. Perry would have been in the clear if he had simply vetoed the funding without threatening to do so first." Too bad the governor wasn't smart enough to understand that.

I also find it ironic that the DN calls this indictment, which has a political motive attached to it - from both sides - has ignored the House of Representatives attempt at "dragging a constitutional ...decision into the courtroom solely on the basis of a partisan disagreement" in their lawsuit against President Obama. Perhaps the DN would care to explain the difference. Or is it just that Alan Dershowitz hasn't yet spoken out about it?

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Well, it's pretty simple to look ahead and see what track this thing is on. Beginning in January 2015 it is possible that President Obama will need to use the veto power quite a lot, as there could well be a Republican Congress that will be sending him a lot of legislation that he doesn't want to to sign. Imagine if the precedent of indicting a chief executive for using veto power was to become legal and fashionable.

ShaunMcC
La Verkin, UT

I never thought I'd say this but Alan Dershowitz is right. Actually I thought he was right a couple of other times, but his efforts to remove God completely from public discourse has made me a little cross with him. Nevertheless, bringing charges against political figures for doing their job according to the rules is more than chilling - no matter how much we disagree with the specific ways they do their job. The liberals support him here because they know if this can be done to Perry, it can also be done to any of the liberal politicians for doing their job in unpopular ways, even if they have the legal right to do so. Hopefully these charges will be thrown out without wasting a lot of time and money on something so frivolous and vindictive. Simply put and in agreement with this editorial, "If you don't like what an elected official does, vote them out of office."

gmlewis
Houston, TX

As a Texan, I have admired Gov. Perry for many years. I agree with the author that these charges against him are bogus and dangerous to our political system.

I would be aghast if he didn't have the chance to run for President because of these spiteful indictments. He isn't perfect, but he's a better candidate than any others that have been identified so far.

If he is nominated as a Presidential candidate, I hope the people of Louisiana will remember his compassion for the refugees that Texas took in during the Hurricane Katrina disaster. Other states helped, but Texas received the majority due to Gov. Perry's leadership.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Do you think?

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

This analysis is without depth. For an example of trying to make a political vendetta out of this I would pose the following questions to the writer or to any apologist for the Deseret News.

What party appointed the judge to oversee the indictment? What are the political affiliations of the District Attorney who pursued the indictment? Where was the indictment rendered (what is the make-up of the county in that part of the state)? HIs veto aside, what are the other grounds for the indictment (it was not just about a veto)? Do any subsequent actions of the governor show a malicious intent? And finally, what law and precedent in Texas state law might determine the validity of the indictment?

It must be fun to throw brickbats at the opponents of seemingly popular Republican/Tea Party governor's critics. However, it is facile in the extreme.

Esquire
Springville, UT

There has been very little in the media about the legal theories underlying the indictments. On the surface, I might agree, but there is more to the story. I'll leave it up to the court to sort it out rather than try to spin this for a partisan purpose or a pseudo-concern about the Constitution, blah, blah, blah. JoeBlow makes a good point that some will decry the Perry indictment and then take the opposite position when it comes to the President of the United States. This hypocrisy is sickening.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

"Politicians who make decisions people don’t like ought to be voted out of office..."

Couldn't this also apply to Gov. Perry's attempt to induce the DA to resign?

I actually have no opinion on the charges. I've seen this before in Texas - from both sides - and have learned to remain skeptical. But I'm annoyed with the argument put forth in this editorial. Its primary foundation seems to be, "Even people we normally disagree with see it as we do!" Well, then it must be true!

It also left out not insignificant details found in an op-ed also appearing today. Author Catherine Rampell notes:

"Problem is, that Public Integrity Unit was investigating a cancer research institute that was one of Perry's pet projects. (One of its former high-ranking officials now faces a felony corruption charge.) If the district attorney had stepped down before she was up for re-election, Perry would have picked her replacement, who could then presumably have quashed the investigation."

As for such actions being totalitarian in nature, if this is true then I've been living in a totalitarian state for decades now.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Political?

Maybe.

But sometimes, when a politician has become powerful and entrenched in his office, it may be necessary for people who are not part of his political machine to stand up against the tide and try to see that what's right is done.

Remember our own Shurtlef / Swallow mess?

One side wanted to sweep it under the rug and keep it there.

The other wouldn't allow it.

Remember all the political posturing by the GOP before the Tribune brought it all out into the open?

It's in court now. Let the courts do their job.

FT
salt lake city, UT

They do everything BIG in Texas, including slimy, mud-slinging politics. What goes round, comes round.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

This type of thing is in the Democrat play book page one.

Some have alluded to the Republican lawsuit against the president. If Obama would actually follow the law instead of making it up as he goes along, the House wouldn't have to sue him. That said, the House Lawsuit is extremely dumb. If Obama has broken the law then there is a Constitutional remedy already in place.

Anonymouse
Galveston, TX

The vetoed funding for the state's Integrity Unit had been designated to investigate the actions of the governor and his friends who had directed money set aside for cancer research to instead fund businesses contributing to his campaign funds. The drunk driving incident is unacceptable and drunk drivers need to be punished for endangering our lives, but Mr. Perry saw this as an opportunity to put a stop to an investigation that he didn't like. There are three reasons why many of us Texans don't want him to run for president: 1. He is an embarrassment to the state of Texas, 2. He does not work well with anyone who disagrees with him (which is great if you like government shutdowns), and 3.... um.... 3... um... oops, I forgot the third one.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Perry’s use of the veto to force a resignation rather than out of objection to the appropriation itself was an abuse of power. Whether he broke the law will be up to the courts to decide. How Mr. Dershowitz reasons that this particular use of legal redress to resolve a dispute is un-American is the most curious statement I’ve ever heard the learned law professor make.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@JoeBlow,
I agree with Dershowitz too. This is an extremely dangerous trend.

I also agree that both sides have overreached when they do this.

I have to point out one point of disagreement. You equated this and Republicans suing President Obama. I agree they are basically the same thing, but there are some critical (Constitutional) differences you deftly avoided when equating them....

The Governor clearly has the Constitutional authority to Veto legislation (it's right there in their Constitution). The President also has the authority to veto legislation, but he does NOT have the right to ignore laws he didn't veto and allowed to go on the books, or to pass his own laws if the Legislature will not pass the laws he wants, or to nullify the Legislative Branch's oversight of his power and actions by "Going it alone". THAT... is NOWHERE in the Constitution.

One is authority clearly given in the Constitution... The other is not.

So there's a difference. But in the end the result is the same... because the other side feels injured and wants to retaliate... and they do... and we get this dangerous trend...

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

DUI is a serious offense.

Rather than choosing whether or not to resign, how about we enact federal and state laws that automatically removes anyone who pleads guilty to or is convicted of a serious crime.

Heck, that may even solve the term limit issue.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You can always tell who the Democrats fear, and who rising Republican candidates are. The Chicago playbook and Alinsky's Rules for Radicals demand that you personalize your opponent and destroy them by whatever means.

Gov. Sarah Palin was hounded out of office by endless, baseless lawsuits. Gov Scott Walker was harassed by numerous lawsuits and a recall drive, all of which failed, but probably damaged him as a candidate. Gov. Chris Christy has been attacked by frivolous allegations about "bridgegate".

Now, Gov Perry is the latest target.

Meanwhile, Obama's actual violations of laws go unchallenged.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey one old man – “'Political.' Maybe"

No, not really. A recognition of Perry’s criminality is NOT just political. Perry's criminal abuse of his authority should be transparently obvious to everyone.

According to the Republican narrative, the DA had been found guilty of a DUI, and that meant that Perry had the right and the duty to pressure her to resign by threatening a veto.

OK . . If it’s good for the goose . . . Then President Obama has the right to pressure Republican Senator Mike Crapo to resign through by threatening a veto, doesn’t he?

As you may recall, Idaho’s Mormon Republican Senator Mike Crapo was convicted of a DUI just outside the DC beltway in 2012.

Do Perry supporters think it would be OK if Obama threatened to veto a funding bill in order to get this convicted Republican lawbreaker to resign from the Senate?

If not . . . Why not?

SharpHooks
Lake Sammamish, WA

@DN Sunscriber
Where there's smoke there's fire. Perry is walking the very edge of legality here, and indictments are NOT like simple accusations. They don't fall out of the sky.
I see no indictments of our esteemed President anywhere on the horizon.

The GOP better wise up, and fast. They continue to send unsavory nominees for president, and they keep getting shot down.

The GOP is it's own worst enemy.
I see a democratic president again, and very likely for 2 terms.
What a nice change it would be to see a worthy candidate form them...but alas....

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID

Yeah, this whole fiasco reminds me of Boehner threatening to sue Obama. When will we read the op-ed on that?

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