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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    BYU's 2014 schedule is a joke. If the Y wants to impress the national audience they are going to have to have a yearly schedule like the 2013 schedule with Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, GTech, etc...

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    PAC 12 Thursday/Friday Night Games

    #7 UCLA @ #19 Arizona State(FOX Sports 1)
    Arizona @ #3 Oregon(ESPN)
    Utah @ Oregon State(FOX Sports 1)
    California @ #15 USC(ESPN)
    #11 Stanford @ #7 UCLA(ESPN)
    #19 Arizona State @ Arizona(FOX)

    Games Currently Scheduled on ABC/ESPN
    USC 3
    UCLA 2
    Ore 1
    Stan 2
    Ariz 2
    ASU 1
    Utah 0

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 26, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    @ 2fer

    Spot on; they haven't even set the kick off time for the Michigan game. Kind of sad when folks jump to confusion.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    @ PAC man

    You know that already? Most TV games for PAC-12 teams are TBD. But it's weird that the PAC-12 went out of it's way to put Oregon and Arizona on Thursday night, but left the Ducks' games against Stanford, UCLA, and OSU on Saturday.

    So much for your theory about marquis games.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 25, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    2fer

    Remind us how many Utah games ESPN has scheduled.

    LOL!

    The reality is, the PAC 12 goes out of their way to schedule marquis Thursday night games for national broadcast; unfortunately for U, the Utes aren't one of the teams the conference goes out of their way to include in those broadcasts.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 9:06 p.m.

    @Clark W. Griswald

    BYU's not the only team in the state with some embarrassing over-all series records. If you believe they are then I advise you for your own blissfulness not to look at Utah's series records. You will find a lot more than 10 teams against which Utah has 0 wins, not to mention other records (like 3-3 against Salt Lake High or 5-10 against Air Force).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    @ Sagacious

    ESPN is scheduling mid-week content. Most of the games BYU plays on ESPN take place on Thursday or Friday. In fact, every BYU game scheduled for ESPN falls on a weekday this year. ESPN does the same thing with the MAC. I'm not saying that BYU doesn't have a decent sized fan base because it does, but it's not the global brand that BYU fans like to pretend it is.

    Utah will be fine. The Utes have taken their lumps but they are close to getting over the hump, and when they do it will mean something. BYU pounding a bunch of mediocre teams and then going to a mediocre bowl.... meaningless.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    After nearly a 140 banters back and forth, the bottom line is this...

    BYU will win a lot of games this season, go to their 10th consecutive bowl game and end up nationally ranked in the Top-20.

    Utah, on the other hand, has another very tough schedule. Their fans brag about it. But sadly, the handwriting is on the wall. They will end up with another losing record and sit home during the holidays for a 3rd straight year.

    The person who commented that neither Utah nor any of it's fans would trade schedules with anyone is naive. Kyle would love to trade schedules with almost anyone in order to be able to save his job. And most realistic Ute fans would love to trade for a less severe schedule... one that would at least allow some hope of a winning season. Right now, there is almost none. So in place of U hope, they concentrate on Y criticism. Immature, but understandable behavior for fans without much realistic hope, combined with a repressed envy of their traditional rival.

    But they can never see it in themselves. More denial continues.

  • Sagacious Meadow, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    @ Two For Flinching:

    It's funny reading how you are trying so hard to deny the reality of the pull BYU has... and at almost every single place they play. Almost every team in the intermountain area (including utah) has BYU as their opponent in at least one of their top 3 attendance home games.

    Ponder this... ESPN would never have given BYU a 6 or 8 year contract if they didn't have a big fan draw. They do. ESPN knows it... and that means a lot. You don't know it... and that means basically nothing.

    You are right about one thing though. "Utah keeps reaching". But the trouble is, they are never obtaining. They aren't even coming close to getting whatever it is they think they want. That's the exact reason they will soon have their third consecutive losing season and their third year in a row sitting home for the holidays. And also why Kyle Whittingham is genuinely concerning about keeping his job. And that's not much of a reach.

    You're beating a dead horse at this point. Let it go.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan

    Good point. Unlike Washington, which the Utes will play regularly, BYU hasn't played most of the teams on Clark's list in decades (at least five don't even exist anymore) and only three of the 11 teams are on future BYU schedules.

    btw, Utah is owned by most of the teams in the PAC 12. Washington is just the most lopsided example.

    It's interesting the teams Utah includes in its won/loss record, including wins and losses to high school teams and even a win against a Utah alumni team.

    A posting of the high school teams that own Utah would be really embarrassing to the kids on the hill.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 25, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    RE: Clark W. Griswold

    You're showing obsolete records illustrates Rockwell's point perfectly. BYU losing to Colorado 100 years ago is as relevant as Utah being owned by the YMCA.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    @ Rockwell

    If you want to talk about being OWNED, see BYU versus:

    Denver (7-15)
    San Jose State (6-10)
    San Francisco (0-2)
    Fort Douglas (0-1)
    George Washington (0-2)
    Florida State (0-4)
    Iowa State (0-4)
    Pacific Fleet (0-2)
    Stanford (0-2)
    USC (0-2)
    Virginia (1-3 including last year's loss)

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Aug. 24, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah
    How many of BYU’s opponents are from the so-called Power 5 conferences?

    Three — Texas (Big 12), Virginia (ACC), Cal (Pac-12). Two of them are among their league’s weakest teams. Cal and Virginia managed just three wins between them last season.

    -------------

    Actually, they only won ONE game. Since TWO wins were against D2 teams and BYU.

    Virginia 19
    BYU (8-5) 16

    Virginia 49
    Virginia Military (non-IA) 0

    California 37
    Portland State (non-IA)30

    yewtology,

    well then by your logic, Utah has really only won 4 games each of the last two years,since 2 wins came against D2 opponents. Enjoy your 4 win seasons that is if Utah even manages to win 4 games this season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2014 6:47 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    While I agree with some of your post I disagree with:

    "That gives [Utah] 2-3 pancakes each season. Toss in 2-3 OOC pancakes (i.e. Idaho State) and you’ve got 3-4 gimmes".

    There are NO 3-4 pancakes this season. Idaho State and Colorado are probably the only guarantee wins this year. Which is significantly more difficult than a MWC schedule where we had 3-4 tough games, 3 tossups, and 5-6 built in wins. Except for 2013, this is the same type of schedule BYU is playing as an Independent, with 3-4 P5 teams.

    @Rockwell

    If you want to talk being OWNED in the recent era:

    BYU 3-9 vs. Utah
    BYU 2-5 vs. TCU
    BYU 1-3 vs. Boise State

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 24, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    wacpaddled

    "BYU is 3-8-1 all time against them. They own you!"

    LOL at your delusion!

    BYU has beaten Colorado three of the last four times the two teams have met and haven't lost to the Buffs since the 40's, and that loss by 2 points at Colorado. BYU has owned Colorado for the last 70 years.

    1988 Freedom Bowl - BYU 20 Colo 17
    1981 @Colorado - BYU 41 Colo 20
    1947 @ Colorado - BYU 7 Colo 9
    1946 @ BYU - BYU 10 Colo 7

    If you want to talk about being owned, see Utah versus:

    Washington(0-8)
    Houston(0-4)
    Boise State(0-4, as an FBS)
    YMCA(1-6)

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Aug. 24, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    Speaking of "True Blue," is that show off the air permanently? With the first game less than a week away, the BYUtv schedule says that no episodes of the program will air during the next 30 days. Am I missing something? Why don't they just avoid the confusion by removing it from their program lineup?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 24, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    @PaddledbyWACteams

    The hypocrisy is that Utah fans defend their loss against Colorado and other mediocre P5 teams by building them up and saying that they are respectable because they are in a P5 conference, while at the same time tearing down any wins BYU has against P5 teams (like Texas and Oklahoma; not just any P5 teams, but TEXAS and OKLAHOMA) because "they're having down year" or "Bingham High could have beat them that year, too". I bet outside observers reading Ute fan logic here are laughing their heads off.

    "Right - see Colorado.
    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against them. They own you!"

    Ok, let's compare. Against current PAC-12 teams, Utah has tied with 1 team in overall series and holds the advantage against only one team. BYU has tied the series with two teams and outright has the series advantage against 2 of them. Laugh all you want, but although BYU has struggled with PAC teams historically, so has Utah (the argument can be made even more so than BYU has).

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 23, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT

    btw, it's laughable that Uteology has to tear down a couple of P5s in order help himself sleep at night, when he usually acts as if playing a P5 is always a significant challenge regardless of the team when Utah plays them - see Colorado.

    -------

    Right - see Colorado.
    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against them. They own you!

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    Soonerute,
    Your so BIG on SOS, how about giving us your take on Alabamas 95 SOS and Oklahoma,s 93 SOS. And while your at it ,please tell us how they will be left out of this years playoff if they run the table or even lose 1 game . Can,t wait to see your spin on this !

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 23, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    RE: Jsanders

    "The fact is WSU, Colorado, Arizona, and Oregon State are not exactly juggernauts" (TaysomforHeisman)

    2013 sagarin final rankings

    WSU 40
    UA 24
    OSU 29
    BYU 35"
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    The teams TaysomforHeisman mentioned aren't juggernauts, and even with occasional good years don't make for an incredibly grueling schedule. We get that the week-in week-out grind for Utah is incredibly difficult. But you are NOT playing 9+ incredibly difficult games each season like you and other anti-BYU posters are insinuating.

    Colorado and WSU are usually ranked in the 75-125 range, Cal is a smidge better than that, and Oregon State has done really well over the past few years but historically isn't a top 50 team. That gives you 2-3 pancakes each season. Toss in 2-3 OOC pancakes (i.e. Idaho State) and you’ve got 3-4 gimmies, 2-3 toss-ups, and 4-5 very difficult games. That’s not too different from any other team in the country.

  • jsanders Draper , UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    "So what exactly does BYU need to do to improve its Big 12 resume, beat some of the big boys of the Big 12, like say, Texas and Oklahoma?"

    Making a BCS game, or two, in this era would help (or whatever they are calling them now)

  • SwissQiumi Atlanta, GA
    Aug. 23, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    What most of the posters fail to understand is that most of us BYU fans are not from Utah and have no real connection to Utah. We LOVE independence and the new schedules. In the last few years, my family has attended games (& firesides) at Ole Miss, Florida St, GaTech--and will attend Middle TN and would have attended UCF if it hadn't changed to Thursday. We LOVE this!

    We come onto DNews to get our "fix" of BYU sports. Our only interest in other Utah schools is admiration for their many terrific returned missionaries who play and represent the church so well and the other great LDS stories like the amazing Eric Weddle's of the world. We love Kyle Whittingham and his whole family for all they have done for BYU--and only wish him the best.

    So hard to understand the vitriol in these comment sections. Who cares if we do or don't play the other Utah schools? Just bring more games out to where the BYU fans and future missionaries are. That's all we ask...

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 1:03 a.m.

    @ Uteology. You seem to love to guarantee that BYU will beat almost every team on their schedule. I predict BYU goes 9-3, and if they did so it would be an ok year. You really think Houston and Utah State are slam dunk wins? Yeah, that's what I thought. You can't have it both ways my friend. Do you remember losing to Utah State 2 yrs. ago? How about Colorado? UNLV a few yrs ago. Now let's not pretend that every game that the favored team should win, will do so. That's the beauty of this game. You should know. BYU has been favored to beat Utah most of the last few games. I wish those outcomes were based on predictions.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    @ PAC man

    Have I ever said otherwise? USU has been a very respectable opponent the past few years.

  • jsanders Draper , UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    "The fact is WSU, Colorado, Arizona, and Oregon State are not exactly juggernauts"

    2013 sagarin final rankings

    WSU 40
    UA 24
    OSU 29
    BYU 35

    Keep in mind, those are some of the "easier" games on Utahs schedule..No they arent juggernauts, but far from a breather game that most teams play in their 8-10th toughest games.

  • jsanders Draper , UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:55 p.m.

    "utah's schedule isn't as much of a week in and week out grind that people like to say it is."

    Utah could face 10(!) top 40 teams this season, and 6 top 25 teams. Which makes me wonder what your definition of week in week out grind would be. 12 top 25 teams?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:16 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Utah lost on the road, in OT, to a team that finished ranked and won their conf. title. There is nothing embarrassing about that."

    Ah, so now a non-P5, WAC team is a formidable foe when Utah loses to them.

    The irony and inconsistency of that statement is just too delicious.

    btw, BYU beat that same ranked Utah State team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    Yep, Utah lost on the road, in OT, to a team that finished ranked and won their conf. title. There is nothing embarrassing about that. Also I'm not trying to claim that Utah's non conf. record is making many people take notice, but it doesn't hurt the conference, and it flies in the face on anyone saying that the PAC-12 embarrassed or weakened by including Utah.

  • Arizona Reader Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    Im OK with a weak schedule this year. Holmoe has an incredibly tough job trying to schedule 11-12 games a year rather than simply 3-4 in a conference. Would I prefer a big conference, yes. Do I think we should be in one and deserve one, yes. But we're not, so there will be sometimes we have to schedule minor teams. Last years schedule was awesome and we had an opportunity to make a statement and we didn't. We have some good games next year and then in 2016...I'm not too worried about our schedule

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    Just bring on the game!. I am so amped up for it and know that the Cougs are going to bring some exciting football to the fans. Have fun, enjoy this great game and hope the P5 doesn't destroy college football with their arrogance and greed. Historically, most entities that make those to things their priority haven't faired so well. Go Cougars!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    @Ufan

    Another words you cant cite any evidence of bias from the PAC10.

    In fact there is no evidence that BYU was even considered.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    Uteology

    Utah's Sun Bowl victory was so impressive that Sagarin dropped U five places in his final rankings.

    BYU has hammed the same team TWICE since then.

    And let's no forget that BYU has beaten non-P5s Boise State and Houston, teams that Utah has never beaten as FBS teams.

    Not only do teams like BYU scare, BYU scares you, which is why Chris Hill ran away from the rivalry when he scheduled Michigan. He knew Utah couldn't handle playing BYU and Michigan in the same season.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    This schedule looks like one of the weakest in the nation. However, was Utah's schedule a top 5 SOS last August? Um, no. However, the majority of the Pac-12 teams played well, thus increasing the SOS of everyone in the conference. SOS at this time is based on what the teams did LAST YEAR.

    We'll see how it turns out come December. Sure, it could be worse than it looks. But it also could be a whole lot better. Regardless, as others have stated, traveling so much will be difficult and will have an impact. We will just have to see if the Cougars can handle the miles.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    @ royal

    You are wrong BYU is not more competitive than Utah. BYU has 31% winning percentage and Utah 38% vs P5 teams, and that with playing on average 4 such teams a year.

    @Gandalph
    Utah qualified and won the Sun Bowl by going 6-5 vs P5 teams 2-1 vs non P5 in 2011 BYU is 5-7 over three years combine.

    Yes, teams like BYU do scare us because we have a winning percentage of 88% against such teams since 2007.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    "Utah is 9-1 against non-conf. teams since joining the PAC-12."

    You lost to the only ranked non-conference team you played, a non-P5 WAC team at that.

    Utah's non-conference wins aren't even a blip on the radar as far as making the conference look stronger, although the nation was fascinated watching the Utes storm the field three times after finally pulling out a nail-biter against an "irrelevant" Independent.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "I think you're overestimating the size of BYU's fan base just a little bit. Last year against ND, BYU was their lowest rated game."

    I think you're underestimating the loss of Notre Dame fan interest after a long, disappointing season, compared to 2012.

    Temple was the opening game of the season, so of course there would be huge fan interest regardless of the opponent.

    Michigan State is a long-time rival (even more so than Michigan)

    Oklahoma would obviously draw huge interest

    Arizona State after the fiasco versus Wisconsin drew a lot of interest especially on a neutral field

    USC - of course

    Navy - of course (if you knew anything about Notre Dame you'd know that)

    So that leaves BYU as the "lowest" rated game - not really saying much that fewer Notre Dame fans would tune into that game

    By the way, do you have numbers to back up that assertion?

    It would be interesting to see the differences.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah is 9-18 vs PAC 12 teams and 8-1 vs OOC opponents. I think it's pretty obvious our future success (or failure) isn't about our ability to compete against teams like BYU."

    Once again you hide behind labels instead of facing reality.

    Since Utah has proven that they can't break .500 versus PAC 12 teams, the only hope you have of "having success" (qualifying for a bowl) is sweeping your OOC opponents, so let's examine those OOC opponents.

    Montana State, Northern Colorado, and Weber State - gimmes that Utah plays to pad their win total

    at Pittsburgh, at Utah State, Utah State - your won loss, against a team that you refuse to schedule anymore

    at BYU, BYU, at BYU - three wins, two by the slimmest of margins

    So it becomes clear that the success of Utah even qualifying for a bowl, depends on the Utes beating teams like BYU.

    Unfortunately for U, the worm is about to turn and you won't even be able to count on future wins versus BYU.

    And that's what scares you.

    You know that the chances of those 1-, and 3-, and 7-point wins continuing to go in Utah's favor are slim to none.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    @ Sagacious

    I think you're overestimating the size of BYU's fan base just a little bit. Last year against ND, BYU was their lowest rated game. Even lower than when the Irish played Temple. Where was that world-wise fan base during BYU's (arguably) biggest game? Also, nobody outside of Provo tunes into BYUtv to watch football. I think most people would be surprised to learn they even have that channel.

    Also just because somebody is LDS does not automatically mean they are a BYU fan. In fact, I would wager that the vast majority of the LDS population doesn't care about BYU football.

    I don't see what's sad about DirectTV. USC, UCLA, and Oregon have the exact same problem. It's not a reflection on Utah.

    As for winning games, Utah is 9-1 against non-conf. teams since joining the PAC-12. That makes the conf. look pretty strong considering the fact that Utah is struggling to break into the upper half of the standings.

    Congrats on piling up wins against the sister's of the poor. If that's good enough for you, fine. Utah is reaching for something higher.

  • FuzzyLogic VACAVILLE, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    @Rufus It's interesting that BYU isn't listed on Bleacher Reports most 25 hated programs, but Utah is. It mentions something about imitating the University of Miami.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    Is this a BYU schedule blog or a Uteology blog?

    10%+ of the posts from one BYU-obsessed Utah fan is a bit over the top, don't ya think!

    Anyway, BYU's schedule isn't the greatest, but BYU still has a chance to make some noise and have a good if not great season if they win all or all but one of their games.

    BYU will certainly have the attention of fans from the great states of Texas and Florida, which could yield some great recruits down the road.

    It goes without saying that Utah fans are riveted on BYU, despite their pretended indifference.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    @theDailyObserver

    "It's called league parity. But I forgive you for not knowing anything about that concept".

    I thought your entire comment looked pretty good and well thought out and backed up by fact until you made that comment. Then you pretty much discredited everything you just said when you said the above comment.

    Of course I know what league parity is. However, one good game from a team doesn't mean they are a good team. Congrats to Arizona beating Oregon, but that's a fluke. Sure, they are good enough to do it, but they are nowhere near Oregon's level overall. Same goes for utah with the win over Stanford, or WSU beating USC.

    But I don't really care about WSU's close loss to Auburn or OSU's close loss to Oregon. You either win or you lose, and they lost.

    My point is that upsets happen, but one upset doesn't bring you out of the bottom of the conference. Sure, WSU, Arizona, OSU, and Colorado aren't pushovers for utah, just like you said.

    Do you want to know why? It's because utah is on their level.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah is 9-18 vs PAC 12 teams and 8-1 vs OOC opponents. I think it's pretty obvious our future success (or failure) isn't about our ability to compete against teams like BYU."

    LOL.

    Your contention all along has been that Utah is better positioned to compete for a playoff spot than BYU, yet you're unwilling to admit that BYU has been more competitive against PAC 12 teams than Utah.

    If non-P5 BYU(50%) is more competitive against PAC 12 teams than Utah(38%), as the record proves, that doesn't make your argument about being better able to compete for a playoff spot very strong now does it?

    btw, it's hilarious that you completely ignored the fact that Utah opens the season against #229 Idaho State.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    @Uteology

    "Those are not my words."

    I'll wipe the egg off my face and apologize for attributing SonnerUte's comments to you.

    The fact of the matter is, however, if BYU had an SOS of 38, then they had a more difficult schedule than half of the teams that play a P5 schedule. I don't write the formulas, I don't publish the rankings, but if we agree to use Sagarin and other reputable ranking services, how does anyone claim that a "P5 schedule" is inherently better than BYU's schedule, when BYU's schedule is stronger than half of them?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    ...continued

    The point is, nobody knows how the season is going to play out and for a Utah fan to claim that BYU has already been eliminated from the playoffs before the season even starts based solely on BYU's projected SOS is just a bunch of jealous hot air.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "BYU will not be considered at all in playoff discussions with the schedule that they have this year - period."

    At least that's the average Utah fan's desperate wish.

    Unfortunately, you have absolutely no proof that will be the case.

    For instance:

    Week 1 - BYU starts off the season with a big win at Connecticut, drawing the attention of the east coast media. #28/#24 Texas beats N. Texas decisively and moves up to #20.

    Week 2 - BYU beats #20 Texas on the road and moves into the Top 25 at #23

    Week 3 - BYU beats Houston and moves up to #20

    Week 4 - BYU beats an improved Virginia team that just gave Louisville a scare and moves up to #18

    Week 5 - BYU beats #20 Utah State(4-0) which upset Tennessee in Knoxville and moves up to #15

    Week 6 - BYU beats #19 UCF(3-1) which is having another outstanding season beating Penn St at home and narrowly losing to #18 Missouri on the road and BYU moves up to #12

    Week 8 - after a solid win versus Nevada, BYU goes into Boise and beats the MWC leader #22 Boise St and BYU moves up to #10

    Talk of BYU possibly busting the playoffs starts...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "BYU will not be considered at all in playoff discussions with the schedule that they have this year - period."

    At least that's the average Utah fan's desperate wish.

    Unfortunately, you have absolutely no proof that will be the case.

    For instance:

    Week 1 - BYU starts off the season with a big win at Connecticut, drawing the attention of the east coast media. #28/#24 Texas beats N. Texas decisively and moves up to #20.

    Week 2 - BYU beats #20 Texas on the road and moves into the Top 25 at #23

    Week 3 - BYU beats Houston and moves up to #20

    Week 4 - BYU beats an improved Virginia team that just gave Louisville a scare and moves up to #18

    Week 5 - BYU beats #20 Utah State(4-0) which upset Tennessee in Knoxville and moves up to #15

    Week 6 - BYU beats #19 UCF(3-1) which is having another outstanding season beating Penn St at home and narrowly losing to #18 Missouri on the road and BYU moves up to #12

    Week 8 - after a solid win versus Nevada, BYU goes into Boise and beats the MWC leader #22 Boise St and BYU moves up to #10

    Talk of BYU possibly busting the playoffs starts...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    Jeff29
    Draper, UT

    @Uteology

    "Schedule strength doesn't define a P5 schedule. You (and others) are arguing strength of schedule, and I am not. I define a P5 schedule as including nine or more P5 schools."

    ----

    Those are not my words. I don't define a SOS, I'll let others do it. The NCAA method is one way, which is considered weak even by Phil Steele.

    "You can make the argument that they "didn't play P5 schools week in and week out", and I will respond by saying, you're right, they played several schools that were tougher than P5 schools week in and week out"

    Which ones? Certainly not...

    #98 Nevada
    #103 MT
    #106 Virginia
    #229 Idaho State

    Those games weren't tougher than the weakest P5 team on our schedule #75 Colorado. So you took 4 weeks off, 1/3 of your schedule and still only went 2-5 vs P5 teams.

    That's probably why Sagarin ranked 5-7 Utah #33 and 8-5 BYU #34 last year.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    @VegasUte

    "And for byU fan to compare Alabama and Oklahoma's schedules and rankings in the slightest to byU's is even more laughable."

    It wasn't a BYU fan who came up with those numbers. It was an SEC writer using the NCAA's formula based on opponent's performance from last year. Obviously a lot of assumptions are made in this type of pre-season calculation, but it's the same source that many Ute's use for claiming the U's 2014 SOS of 11 and BYU's SOS of 95. So if you are going to accept those numbers, but not accept the idea that Alabama and Oklahoma have comparatively weak schedules, then you a being completely dishonest in your arguments.

    The idea that just because you are in a P5 conference automatically means you have a tougher SOS is full of bias and void a statistical fact.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    royalblue
    Alpine, UT

    Uteology

    "Because that [Utah's record versus PAC 12 teams] is not the most important fact."

    Really?

    You don't think Utah's record versus PAC 12 teams is THE most important factor in Utah's future success (or failure)?

    Talk about living in a complete state of denial. Take off the crimson shades and see reality.

    --------------

    What?

    I clearly said comparing Bronco's and Kyle's PAC-12 records "is not the most important fact". Take the time to read the post again, next time quote what I actually said not what you thought I said.

    Utah is 9-18 vs PAC 12 teams and 8-1 vs OOC opponents. I think it's pretty obvious our future success (or failure) isn't about our ability to compete against teams like BYU.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:28 p.m.

    @VegasUte,

    I think you are completely wrong. Even with a 12-0 scheduled, I believe that BYU will not get into the Playoff, as you mentioned, because of their schedule. However, they will most definitely be in the discussion, and quite frankly, it's a discussion that every football fan in favor of an expanded Playoff should be interested in.

    It is impossible for a team to go 12-0, even with a weaker schedule, and not have people talking about them. (If you can't see that, then your biases have completely clouded your judgement). Those discussions will lead to a bigger push for more inclusion into the Playoff, and hopefully, like BYU 1984 and 1996, and Utah 2004 and 2008, those discussions will lead to change. In this case an 8-Team Playoff instead of a 4-Team.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    Uteology

    "What part of my quote was a fabrication? Is BYU not a "legacy program"? It certainly can't be BYU on the outside begging for P5 inclusion. If you like, I can cite you several sources to prove that statement."

    Please stop with your disingenuous denials?

    Everybody whose followed the story behind Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 knows the reasons why Utah was invited instead of BYU. Even you know it wasn't because of something lacking in BYU's football program. To pretend that Utah was invited because of the superiority of Utah's football program over BYU's is simply dishonest.

    You're better than that.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    skywalker:

    You are missing the point of the posts - the whole concept of byU fan stating that byU will be in "the discussion" for the playoffs is laughable, regardless of season outcome. byU will not be considered at all in playoff discussions with the schedule that they have this year - period. And for byU fan to compare Alabama and Oklahoma's schedules and rankings in the slightest to byU's is even more laughable.

    Have fun with Savannah State on senior day y'all!

    Go Utes!

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    Bottom line: If BYU manages 11-1 or 12-0 with this schedule (which is very doable) we'll be top 10 and going to a major bowl at the end of the season. Mark it down.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    @Uteology

    "Schedule strength doesn't define a P5 schedule. You (and others) are arguing strength of schedule, and I am not. I define a P5 schedule as including nine or more P5 schools."

    Huh? So you are grading BYU's schedule on some metric that you have created under which it would be impossible for BYU to ever have a better schedule than a P5 school? That is a pretty convenient way to argue; and it's pretty hypocritical since Utah did not play a P5 schedule (I guess P6 at the time) in its run-up to getting their PAC12 invite.

    The bottom line is that BYU's schedule last year was tougher than at least half of the P5 schools. You can make the argument that they "didn't play P5 schools week in and week out", and I will respond by saying, you're right, they played several schools that were tougher than P5 schools week in and week out (If you want to argue with that, try arguing with Mr Sagarin, or any other SOS source).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    @skywalker

    Alabama has already circled a playoff spot, BYU has already circled the Miami Beach Bowl. That should give you an idea of the difference between playing a SEC schedule compared to BYU's schedule.

    You left out #51 Utah State. Does that prove Utah is better than Utah State?

    What makes you think BYU/USU odds would be any different if you guys played Utah's schedule? Remember you guys went 0-4 combined vs PAC-12 teams last year and 2-7 vs P5 teams combined; which is exactly what Utah did 2-7. The difference, we beat both BYU and USU.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    Blahg, blahg. Blahg, blahg, blahg.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Re: SportsFan

    Because BYU's games against the Pac-12 lately haven't been against the big boys.
    WSU is not nearly as good as Stanford or Oregon.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    skywalker

    "Unfortunately for U, the only thing that seems to be impressive about the Utes, is their opponents."

    Be kind to our friends on the hill; now that they're big P5s, the only thing they've got to look forward to is dusting off another shelf in their hall of fame closet for their latest SOS trophy.

    Oh, that, and their Thanksgiving Weekend pillow fight in the Rockies against their heated new rivals,... um, give me a moment, oh yes, Colorado.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    @UoU 1991

    "I agree, that's why BYU (aka "legacy program" down south) is still on the outside begging for P5 inclusion."

    It's sad when fellow Utah fans have to fabricate complete untruths to support their biased opinions.

    -------------

    What part of my quote was a fabrication? Is BYU not a "legacy program"? It certainly can't be BYU on the outside begging for P5 inclusion. If you like, I can cite you several sources to prove that statement.

    It's funny how you accuse someone of fabricating things then go on to fabricate things. Please cite the sources that the only reason BYU is not in ANY P5 league is because of religion?

    Here I'll start with the Big 12:

    Source: BYU has lots to sell to Big 12 — and an image to overcome.

    "It has nothing to do with the Mormon background, the faith-based part has nothing to do with it … [but] there is a thought among Big 12 administrators that BYU is hard to work with... Some Big 12 people think BYU is arrogant."

  • FuzzyLogic VACAVILLE, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    I am so much happier now that BYU isn't in the MWC and I can actually watch the football games on TV while living in CA whether on BYUtv or ESPN. Prior to independence I got to listen to the games on the radio and then pick up some games replayed on BYUtv.

    Scheduling is tough as an independent. It's not like Holmoe is only targeting weak teams. I would assume he would take the toughest of the tough if they would agree. I also find it fun to play teams from all over the country rather than the same teams every year regardless how good they are. It's not like we haven't played some good teams either; Wisconsin, Texas, Ole Miss, GA Tech, CFU, ND, Boise St. While being in a P5 conference would more regularly give us higher quality opponents it's also a little mundane. IMHO.

  • Sagacious Meadow, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    @ UofU 1991:

    Thank you for adding some relevance and truth to the discussion. It's a welcome change from the level of digression that many have been taking on this post.
    Yours is probably the first complementary comment from a Ute fan in over 80 comments.
    Again, thanks for showing some class.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    VegasUte

    re: Whatsnu: "Are you seriously equating Alabama and Oklahoma's schedules to BYU's?"

    According to the NCAA's method of calculating SOS based on opponents' win-loss records from the previous year:

    #93 Oklahoma 71-78 (47.65%)
    #95 Alabama 71-79 (47.33%)
    #97 BYU 71-81 (46.71%)

    If that bothers you, talk to the NCAA. I'm sure they'll value your opinion over that of the NCAA statisticians.

    btw, Sagarin lists these pre-season rankings:

    #35 BYU
    #39 TCU
    #45 UCF
    #48 Utah

    While you're tracking down the NCAA, maybe you could pop into Sagarin's office and talk some sense into him as well.

    Maybe you'd like these "rankings" better: Odds of winning the 2014 College Football NC

    BYU 300/1
    USU 500/1
    Utah 1000/1

    Unfortunately for U, the only thing that seems to be impressive about the Utes, is their opponents.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    @Rufus T. Firefly "...both Stanford and Texas played terrible games. Texas ended up firing their DC over it. So I really wouldn't call it a "beat down."

    Wrong! Texas may have played a bad game or whatever, but that game was a "beat down" by every measure of the term. That is why the Texas DC was fired. His defense got punked.

    Whereas Stanford, who also played a bad game, was barely beaten by a ute team that the Cardinal figured would not even require their first team being in the game much.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    "I agree, that's why BYU (aka "legacy program" down south) is still on the outside begging for P5 inclusion."

    It's sad when fellow Utah fans have to fabricate complete untruths to support their biased opinions.

    BYU wasn't invited to join the PAC 12 because of the religious bigotry of a couple of PAC 10 members, BYU's no Sunday play policy, and a bogus research standard that apparently only applied to BYU, but not Oklahoma State.

    BYU's lack of an invitation had nothing to do with the quality of BYU's football or overall athletic programs, which over the last 40 years have been much better than Utah's, with the exception of men's basketball (until Majerus left) and women's gymnastics.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    @Chris B. As much as you like the sneer down your nose at BYU (the filthy unwashed mid major) as if your utes have always been significant in a P5 conference (still not there yet) you refuse to look at the truth: Your utes ARE a mid major being used for warm ups by the true power teams in the conference.

    Think of it in terms you can understand: USC, Stanford, Oregon. Those are the sharks swimming in the PAC12 tank. Utah? They're those little Ramoras attached to the underside which feed on the leftovers whilst feeling safe and cool.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    Are you seriously equating Alabama and Oklahoma's schedules to byU's? Alabama will most likely play at least 10 P5 games and are playing against 4 pre-season ranked teams. Do you honestly think that at the end of the season Alabama will be in the 90s in SOS? Oklahoma will also play at least 10 P5 teams, including two that are pre-season ranked. Alabama's senior day game is against pre-season #6 ranked, and rival, Auburn - the team that made it to the NC game two years out of last 4. Oklahoma will play its biggest rival Oklahoma State on senior day. byU will play Savannah State. byU plays 3 P5 schools, and one of those Cal, and no pre-season ranked teams. But, to be fair, USU did get one vote in the first poll. SMH

    Simply put - there is no comparison to those schedules. byU will end the season at or near 100 SOS and will get no consideration for playoffs. Both Alabama and Oklahoma will be light years ahead of that, no question.

    Go Utes!!

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    "Is WSU tougher than UCF?
    Is OSU tougher than Houston?
    Is Utah tougher than Boise?
    Is Cal tougher than anybody?
    Is CU tougher than Virginia?
    Is USC tougher than Texas?"

    WSU and UCF are probably of the same caliber.

    Absolutely Oregon State is tougher than Houston. Houston went 7-5 in the AAC. What a joke.

    Utah was absolutely better than Boise St. last year. Boise St was terrible last year going 8-5 in a weak conference and getting destroyed by Oregon St, who you believe to be a pushover.

    You're right about Cal. They are awful. But Utah didn't play Cal last season and don't play Cal this season. byu does however.

    Is USC tougher than Texas? You're joking right? USC is a much, much better team than Texas.

    It's pretty obvious you don't understand football.

  • Sagacious Meadow, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    @ Two For Flinching:

    It doesn't matter if you doubt it or not. It's still a fact.
    For games not broadcast to many tens of millions on ESPN, BYUtv is broadcast over much of the world, expanding BYU's base and name recognition. At the same time, Utah is trying to get their games broadcast over a bigger portion of the intermountain area. Utah can't even get their games to be shown on DirecTV. Rather sad.

    It is absolutely ironic to read about Ute fans trying to give advice to BYU about how to become a P5 team. Obviously, they haven't figured out the real reason Utah was invited to the PAC12. As per their plan, it wasn't to win many games.
    If Utah had to re-qualify as a P5 program, they would be in big trouble.

    The real irony comes from the fact that BYU has finished seasons nationally ranked multiple times more often than Utah has.
    Utah will finish this season as their 3rd in a row to not qualify for any bowl games. Do you have any idea how many decades it's been since BYU has accomplished that ignominious feat?

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    It wasn't the weakest schedule in the country, but BYU still garnered enough respect from national panels of coaches and sportswriters to be voted #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls.

    Something that no other non-P5 team has ever accomplished.

    and

    Something that no other PAC 12 team, besides USC, has ever accomplished.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    @71-39

    "BTW: Texas was ranked 15th nationally coming into that game. That's considered quite elite to anyone and everyone, except a Ute fan who is talking about any team that loses to BYU.

    That must mean that Stanford can't be considered an elite team either, since it lost to Utah."

    The twisted coug fan logic never ceases to entertain. Congratulations on Texas being over-hyped in the preseason! Unfortunately for you it is no longer pre-season 2013, and so we know where Texas actually ranked among the top 25: nowhere. That's not considered "elite" to anyone outside of Provo.

    Stanford finished ranked in the top 10.

    LOL at your frantic spin!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    PAC man "So what exactly does BYU need to do to improve its Big 12 resume?"
    Beat the Big Boys when they're not having a down season, after playing a full P5 schedule. As TCU and Utah have proven, it is one thing to get up for one game against a Big Boy. It is quite another thing to play a full P5 schedule.

    talkingsports "Who are you to say it wasn't tougher than a lot of P5 schedules".
    Schedule strength doesn't define a P5 schedule. You (and others) are arguing strength of schedule, and I am not. I define a P5 schedule as including nine or more P5 schools.

    Maybe we can agree on this "BYU is tougher than some P5 schools, but is not itself a P5 school."

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "No team ever will be in the discussion for a playoff birth[sic] with a SOS around 100..."

    You're saying that Oklahoma (#93 SOS) or Alabama (#95 SOS) won't be in the discussion for a playoff berth if they finish undefeated or with only one loss?

    *SOS according to the NCAA method of calculating SOS based on based on opponents’ win-loss record from the previous year.

    btw, BYU's SOS is ranked #97 using the same NCAA formula.

    Of course, according to Utah fans, every team's SOS will change as soon as the season begins, except for BYU's, which of course is already carved in granite.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    @ Cordon

    "It's interesting how these BYU haters nit pick everything about BYU.

    1984 National Championship - but wait, BYU didn't play a very strong schedule"

    It was the weakest schedule in the country. They didn't play a single good team. They played a very weak opponent in a non-major bowl.

    "Not a very strong schedule" is lipstick on a pig.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    2fer

    "Playing Utah in LES is the only time BYU can sell out its stadium these days"

    Seriously, you want to talk attendance smack?

    BYU has averaged 15,000+ more than the capacity of RES for more than 30 years.

    Year - BYU - Utah
    2011 60,265 45,149
    2012 61,161 45,347
    2013 61,225 45,194

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    twofer

    "Playing Utah in LES is the only time BYU can sell out its stadium these days."

    Call us the first time Utah sells out its own 60,000+ seat stadium.

    Even during the Independent/PAC 12 era, LES has averaged 15,654 more fans than RES.

  • 71-39 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    @ truthsandwich:

    I always pay attention when you start talking about "a non-elite PAC12 team".
    After all, no one would be a better expert on that subject than a Ute fan.

    BTW: Texas was ranked 15th nationally coming into that game. That's considered quite elite to anyone and everyone, except a Ute fan who is talking about any team that loses to BYU.

    That must mean that Stanford can't be considered an elite team either, since it lost to Utah.

    @ SoonerUte:

    You stated that "complaining gets BYU nowhere".
    And exactly where is it getting Ute fans by spending half the day on this site complaining about BYU's schedule?
    Answer: Exactly the same place... nowhere. And yet you keep doing it... over and over again.

    If BYU ever wants to know about qualifying as a P5, the last place they would go for advice would be to a Utah fan.
    How does being a perennial doormat of any conference qualify any team as a notable P5 team?
    How does not having a winning season in 3 years qualify any team as being a P5 anything?

    Thanks, but no thanks about your P5 advice.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    skywalker:

    "if BYU does finish 12-0 or 11-1, they will be ranked in both polls and will be in the discussion for a possible playoff berth."

    No team ever will be in the discussion for a playoff birth with a SOS around 100, especially if they have one loss. However, if you mean the byU definition of "discussion", as in "byU is in the discussion to become a P5 school", then you may have a point.

    I just don't understand byU fan logic, I guess.

    Go Utes!!

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Four AAC games this year, four against MWC teams next years, three games against PAC 12 teams later this decade. BYU should have honorary membership in a lot of conferences...

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    Anybody who claims that Texas isn't one of the elite teams in college football doesn't know much about college football.

    Texas may not have been one of the best teams in 2013, but they're certainly one of only a dozen or so teams that are universally considered elite college football programs.

    It's funny how Utah fans beat their chests about beating USC in the Las Vegas Bowl a few years ago, because USC is considered an elite team, but refuse to give BYU credit for beating elite teams like Texas, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    "Playing Utah gives BYU absolutely no benefit the majority of the years even in the off chance they win the game."

    - Playing Utah in LES is the only time BYU can sell out its stadium these days.

    "For SOS Utah is just not winning games anymore."

    -Utah finished ranked higher than BYU, and helped raise BYU's SOS.

    "The name of the opponent does not matter in South America, Africa or Asia where BYU is the top known US University."

    - I doubt it. Also, where is that worldwide fans base when BYU is playing in bowl games? or against ND? Really low tv ratings in those games.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "If you were applying for a job, and were told you weren't qualified, you could:..."

    You can knock it off with your apples and oranges comparison.

    Everybody knows that the reasons for BYU not being invited to join the PAC 12 or Big 12 had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of BYU's football program.

    If you're implying that BYU should ignore the no-Sunday play policy supported by it's sponsoring institution, then you know that's never going to happen.

    If you're implying that BYU needs to increase it's resources committed to research, BYU has the same high research status as Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, former Big 12 South teams that were included in the discussion to merge with the PAC 10.

    So what exactly does BYU need to do to improve its Big 12 resume, beat some of the big boys of the Big 12, like say, Texas and Oklahoma?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "BYU's 2013 toughest-ever schedule does not rise to the definition of a P5 schedule."

    Sorry, but you obviously missed this previous post:

    Toughest Schedules

    BYU: #11 2004, #14 2003, #38 2013*, #45 1999*
    Utah: #3 2013, #41 2012, #49 2011*, #50 2010*

    *qualified for a bowl

    2013 wasn't BYU's toughest schedule ever, but it was tougher than any schedule Utah has ever played and still qualified for a bowl.

    Who are you to say it wasn't tougher than a lot of P5 schedules, including two of the three schedules Utah has played since joining the PAC 12?

    btw, I find it interesting that you haven't chimed in about how tough Texas is considering the 36-20 beat down the Longhorns laid on the Sooners. It's funny how Utah fans love to ignore those little details when they don't support your narrative.

  • Jrod Gman Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    According to Uteology the utes will go 4-7 cause thier win against "non-IA" Idaho State won't count.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    Objectified
    Richfield, UT

    "You are putting USU down for being BYU's most exciting home game this season. And yet USU is ranked better than Utah in virtually all pre-season polls..."

    I am absolutely not "putting USU down." USU is doing great and will make more noise on the national level this year. And, I agree that Keeton is fun to watch and deserves every accolade headed his way.

    That said...byu is indeed in a sad state when the most exciting game they can bring to their fans is a team 80 to the North from a conference they (byu fans) despise.

    Tell this board, Objectified...is independence everything you were told it would be? Just keep telling yourself...five more years...five more years...five more years...

    Again, rise and shout!

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    Can't wait for the games to actually be played. Some of us will then be eating crow while others will get to say "I told you so". Big deal! What a shameful waste of (apparent?) intellectual capacity.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    It's interesting how these BYU haters nit pick everything about BYU.

    1984 National Championship - but wait, BYU didn't play a very strong schedule

    AP Top 25 Ranking - but wait, there were some weak teams on that schedule and BYU wasn't undefeated

    #38 SOS - but wait, it wasn't a P5 schedule (even though it was stronger than 2 of the 3 schedules Utah played in its first three seasons in the PAC 12

    Bowl Game qualifier - but wait, BYU didn't play a PAC 12 schedule, even though only one of Utah's 17 bowl teams played a PAC 12 schedule

    The list goes on and on, but bottom line is Utah fans refuse to apply the same nit-picking standards to their own team.

    Despite your whiny excuses Utah fans,

    BYU has won a national championship, a Heisman trophy, had 17 AP Top 25 finishes, had eleven 11+ win seasons, played in 32 bowl games, had 15 national individual award winners, and had six players into the national football hall of fame

    Utah hasn't even come close to matching, let alone exceeding, any of those accomplishments.

    All you can do is nit-pick BYU's accomplishments, because you have none of your own.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    @ Rufus T. Firefly:

    Funny that you are trying to downplay BYU's win over Texas last season by equating it to Utah's win over Stanford.
    BYU's win over Texas was much more of a beat-down than Utah's win over Stanford was. Considering that...

    BYU won their game by multiple touchdowns, while Utah's win was by just multiple points.
    BYU dominated during that entire game. No one dominated the Utah Stanford game at any point.
    BYU had more running yardage against Texas than any opponent has ever had in Texas's entire history.
    The entire reason Texas fired their DC after that game was because it was so much of a beat-down and not because it wasn't.

    Obviously, those two games don't have that much in common.

    From reading all of the comments here and on almost every BYU article, it seems to be almost impossible for Ute fans to be able to give BYU credit for anything... ever. The criticisms to compliments run about 50-1. That's the reason such criticisms are always taken with a grain of salt and why those same Ute fans almost always have such little credibility.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    @not-facts

    ".. and still qualified for a bowl, with an impressive beat down of one of the truly elite teams in college football, Texas!"

    If you think Texas was an "elite" team last year, you don't really follow the sport.

    The beat down took place in that bowl game you qualified for, at the hands of a non-elite Pac 12 team.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Rufus

    "Texas ended up firing their DC over it. So I really wouldn't call it a 'beat down.'"

    Seriously, you don't think BYU racking up 550 yards rushing, the most rushing yards ever given up by Texas in their entire history, is a beat down?

    Let's be honest. It was obviously the beat down of such epic proportions that lead to Texas firing their defensive coordinator immediately following the game.

    Just curious, has Utah ever come close to racking up 550 yards rushing versus anybody?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    BYU's schedule is tougher than it looks. Without looking at Utah's schedule, I recall that they play Michigan, USC, Stanford, and UCLA. If so, that is a tough schedule. But what about the other PAC-12 games?

    Is WSU tougher than UCF?
    Is OSU tougher than Houston?
    Is Utah tougher than Boise?
    Is Cal tougher than anybody?
    Is CU tougher than Virginia?
    Is USC tougher than Texas?

    At least BYU beats the weak teams. Utah tends to lose to them.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Solomon Levi "Spin all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013."

    I agree with your "tougher schedule" statement, just as I am certain that you agree with me -- BYU's 2013 toughest-ever schedule does not rise to the definition of a P5 schedule.

    If you were applying for a job, and were told you weren't qualified, you could:
    1) Find out what the qualifications are, become qualified, and re-apply
    2) Tell the employer that he is wrong.

    Complaining gets BYU no where. Learn what qualifies as P5. Become qualified, and re-apply.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    WOW!

    Eight comments already from our BYU-obsessed friend on the hill about the schedule of a team that his team doesn't even play again until 2016.

    His blanket acceptance of every P5 that Utah plays as the standard for football excellence and his careful dissection of every P5 that BYU plays tells just how biased and meaningless his "stats" are.

    Just another example of how "stats" can be used to "prove" anything, as long as you have a predetermined objective in mind.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    BYU is playing SEVEN bowl teams from last year. I expect that this year UNLV and Nevada will flipflop so that BYU still will have faced seven regular season teams that gain bowl eligibility.

    What makes the schedule not so good is that Virginia and Cal, both P5 teams have been pretty bad.

    This is going to be an exciting season for the Cougars. They should rack up ten or more wins, a national ranking and bowl win. The poor fans on the hill can reconcile themselves that they play in the PAC12 and can cheer for other teams accomplishments rather than the local program.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    @ TheAtheist:

    You stated BYU's "schedule last year was almost decent".
    Actually, BYU's schedule last year was tougher than any Utah had in its entire history prior to last year. So per your reasoning, Utah had never once had a decent schedule prior to last year. That's gotta be quite a sad realization for you.

    BTW: Texas, Houston, Boise State and Utah State are not cupcakes as you stated. And if you really believe that, what does it tell you that literally all of those teams are ranked better than Utah in preseason polls? What's a word for less-than-a-cupcake?

    @ MyPerspective:

    Your perspective is quite humorous. Think about it for a minute. You are putting USU down for being BYU's most exciting home game this season. And yet USU is ranked better than Utah in virtually all pre-season polls. That certainly doesn't say much positive about what your opinion of Utah football must actually be.

    In support of USU actually being an exciting game, Chuckie Keeton is more exciting to watch than all 6 of Utah's quarterbacks combined. Even Kyle Whittingham hasn't enjoyed watching them.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    You are right Doug, you do need a second mortgage for family vacation to Disney World which was no kidding.

    Anyway, Chris Hill is Chicken. You didn't beef up your schedule well to meet your qualifying playoff spot. So you got Michigan and Fresno St. Does it matter if you guys continue to have a losing record and possible losing to Fresno too?

    And Savannah State? Glad we don't travel over there in Georgia. This is a bye game, come on Tom Holmoe.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but which matchup do you think will garner the most national attention this season?

    BYU at Texas as the Longhorns seek retribution for BYU's 40-21 beat down of Texas last season

    Utah at Stanford as the Cardinal seek revenge for their disappointing 21-27 upset loss at Utah

    Here's a clue:

    Athlon's Top 30 Non-Conference Games to Watch in 2014

    #14 BYU at Texas

    Pac-12 football preview: The best games of 2014

    USC at Stanford, Stanford at Oregon, Stanford at UCLA

    Even in the PAC 12, Utah at Stanford isn't even a blip on the radar.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Because that [Utah's record versus PAC 12 teams] is not the most important fact."

    Really?

    You don't think Utah's record versus PAC 12 teams is THE most important factor in Utah's future success (or failure)?

    Talk about living in a complete state of denial. Take off the crimson shades and see reality.

    If the Utes continue to finish with sub-.500 PAC 12 records, they'll rarely, if ever, play in bowl game, and they'll never be relevant in the conference or on a national scale, and all of your talk about being on the inside looking out in the new playoff era will be nothing but a bunch of hot air.

    Utah will never even be in the discussion for a playoff berth.

  • 4Freedom Columbus, OH
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    Doug Robinson wrote: "BYU’s weird football schedule, which takes BYU on a field trip around the U.S. ... The schedule seems pretty random. How did the Cougars come up with this thing? ... Tom Holmoe threw darts at a map while wearing a blindfold in a dark room. The darts landed on teams in 10 states and seven conferences."

    Why is this weird, Doug? Because it is spread out? What makes that weird? Kind of a silly thing to say. Tom Holmoe is doing his best to schedule teams and has done a pretty good job of it. If spread out is weird, then Notre Dame has a weird schedule too: @Syracuse, @FSU, @Navy, @Arizona State, @USC. Pretty spread out. Army and Navy get around a bit as well. And you want to talk geographically weird? West Virginia in the Big 12? Or Nebraska in the Big 10? And how weird is the Big 10 with 12 teams and the number 11 in its logo?

    I find this article has some relevant information about the extensive travel but to call it weird and to say Holmoe chose at random is ... weird.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    Spin all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

    Toughest Schedules

    BYU: #11 2004, #14 2003, #38 2013*, #45 1999*
    Utah: #3 2013, #41 2012, #49 2011*, #50 2010*

    *qualified for a bowl

    It's obvious that the reason Utah fans are shocked by how tough it is to play in the PAC 12, is because the Utes had never played a Top 50 schedule prior to their final season in the MWC.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    Just the FAX
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    "I agree, BYU did play a tough schedule last year..."

    Let's stop right there, and finish the statement with the results that every Utah fan would be citing if they were talking about Utah, instead of spinning their hatred of BYU.

    ... and still qualified for a bowl, with an impressive beat down of one of the truly elite teams in college football, Texas!

    ---------------

    Posting facts is hatred? I posted the SAME stats about Utah.

    Sorry, there's nothing elite about beating 8-5 Texas, ask Texas fans.

    If you want to see a win over an elite team, then see Utah vs #11 Stanford.

    You qualified for a bowl because you had 6 built in wins. Just like what Utah did when we qualified for 10 straight bowl games.

    The difference we went 9-1 with 2 BCS bowl wins and you are 6-5. I'll let you decide if that's an accomplishment or not.

    Good luck this year!

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Just the FAX

    Well played!

    That's exactly the way Uteology would have finished the statement if he'd been talking about the Utes.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    It's not a great schedule, but there are some decent opponents on the schedule (Texas, Utah State, Houston, Boise State, and UCF), enough so, that if BYU does finish 12-0 or 11-1, they will be ranked in both polls and will be in the discussion for a possible playoff berth.

    They probably won't get it, but, like 1983 set up 1984, 2014 could be the set up season for 2015.

    Bronco has already stated that he thought it would take back-to-back undefeated seasons for BYU to break into the playoffs. This could be the first of those undefeated seasons.

    Let's kick things off with a win at Connecticut next week!

    Go Cougs!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    @SportsFan

    Why do you conveniently ignore the most important stat as far as Utah is concerned, record versus PAC 12 teams?

    Bronco 9-9(50%)
    Kyle 13-21(38%)

    ----------------

    Because that is not the most important fact. Utah was also 7-3 (Kyle 4-3) when playing 1-2 PAC-12 teams each year, like BYU. There's a major difference when playing weekly 9 PAC-12 team schedule. I didn't think Utah or even TCU would struggle as much in tougher leagues, but I was wrong.

    I don't expect you to EVER understand what that means, so please continue to post meaningless data over and over again when you can't compete against P5 team just like Utah and TCU.

    You are correct Utah did not qualify playing a #40 schedule but we did qualify playing a #49 SOS.

    You are wrong about who Colorado beat, in 2011 they actually beat:

    Colorado State (3-9) 28-14 @Denver
    Arizona (4-8) 48-29
    @Utah (8-5) 17-14

    Virgina 2013:
    Brigham Young (8-5) 19-16
    Virginia Military (2-10 in D2) 49-0

  • Sagacious Meadow, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    @ Uteology:

    At least you admit to failing to see some things. But the truth is, your ongoing comments on BYU articles indicate you fail to see quite a few things. Your hate for BYU has apparently caused some type of blindness... a failure to see things as they really are.

    There's something I'm very confident of:
    That BYU fans will have much more fun with their light schedule this year than Utah fans will have with their heavy schedule. And the reasons for that are...

    - Winning is more fun than losing, regardless of who it is you're playing.
    - Going to bowl games is always more fun than sitting home during the holidays.
    - Playing on ESPN to a national audience is more fun than playing on the PAC12 network to a very small audience.
    - Obtaining the ire of your rival's fans (notice how many Ute fans showed up here) is always more fun than not.

    Yes... it's definitely going to be another fun year with lots of wins followed by an impressive 10th bowl game in a row.
    My condolences once again to Utah and it's fans. But as usual... "There's always next year".

  • Mark321 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    "How are BYU’s “student-athletes” going to make up for all that missed class time?

    They are going to do homework on the sideline during the Savannah State game."

    That was the best line in the whole article. Well played.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Uteology

    "I agree, BYU did play a tough schedule last year..."

    Let's stop right there, and finish the statement with the results that every Utah fan would be citing if they were talking about Utah, instead of spinning their hatred of BYU.

    ... and still qualified for a bowl, with an impressive beat down of one of the truly elite teams in college football, Texas!

  • TRAVEL BLUE OCEAN Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Of course Cougar fans care about playing the Utes. All this talk about not caring about the rivalry reminds me of a phrase associated with modern dating: "Whoever Cares Less Wins". Yes, we do care about the rivalry. And most Ute fans would rather play BYU than Idaho State and Fresno State. Give the fans back the rivalry!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Uteology

    "First, BYU already loses over half of their games vs the big boy teams (31% winning percentage)."

    LOL at your always fractured use of stats.

    BYU was 2-5 versus "the big boys" in 2013 - 29%
    Utah was 2-7 versus "the big boys" in 2013 - 22%

    Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams - 50%
    Kyle is 13-21 versus PAC 12 teams - 38%

    It's strange that you continue to ignore those relevant comparisons.

    According to you, records while BYU and Utah were playing "weak" schedules in the WAC/MWC are now irrelevant, yet you keep bringing up Utah's success playing the #67 and #56 SOS in 2004 and 2008 and claiming that Utah's record in those particular seasons is relevant.

    Why?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Cougsrock original
    "Apparently, some readers don't realize that BYU played one of their toughest schedules last year."
    They scheduled 5 P5 programs - HALF the number that every other P5 program will schedule. This year they scheduled 3 P5 programs. Fans want BYU considered "P5-level" when they're only willing to put in 1/3 the work. No wonder the SEC and ACC snubbed them.

    The definition pushed by the SEC and ACC is simple. Schedule at least 9 P5 schools. Strength of schedule is too variable. Quit win-padding the schedule, and BYU can earn P5 recognition.

  • TheAtheist SLC, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    More like a sampler of cup cakes. The schedule this year is horrible, especially compared to last years which was almost decent.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Apparently, some readers don't realize that BYU played one of their toughest schedules last year. Next year is even tougher. The life of independentcy. I think BYU fans know this. Maybe a few interlopers don't. Or refuse to admit it.

    -------------

    I agree, BYU did play a tough schedule last year and went 2-5 vs P5 and 6-0 vs non P5.

    I fail to see how playing THREE P5 teams (in 2015) will be "even tougher" schedule than playing SEVEN (in 2013)?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Blue Rampage
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "If BYU wants to be a "big boy like U," they need to play a bunch of tough games and lose over half of them. Or, go back to qualifying for a BCS bowl by beating a bunch of MWC schools. Then, maybe they could become a Pac12er."

    Nope. That won't get byu into the Pac-12. byu sealed their fate with respect to the Pac-12 decades ago when all of their resources were dumped into sports. Now, byu is left wanting in the areas required to meet Pac-12 standards. The bar is too high for byu and it's too late.

    You could try the Big-12 though...oh, whait...

    The most exciting game byu has at LES this year is...wait for it...Utah St. Independence is great, right cougs? Just think, in five (5) short years (9 years into the independence experiment) LES will finally host some great teams from...wait for it...the Pac-12!!

    Rise and shout!

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    Once again, the same group of Utah fans pounce on another BYU article. In fact, at this point, a majority of comments are from those obsessed utes. That they would pounce was absolutely predictable without even reading the article. Just the title was enough to invoke their continuing obsession with all things BYU.

    The thing that is both sad and funny at the same time, is that these ute fans (BYU haters) actually spend more time and energy criticizing BYU than they do supporting their own team. Obviously their hate and envy runs very deep.

    And the thing that is both interesting and impressive, is that regardless of what kind of schedule BYU has from year to year, they consistently get more national attention than the utes. They spend more time nationally ranked and they are watched by multiple times more people than Utah is... regardless of schedules.

    Those facts indicate Utah is simply more irrelevant. As such, it's little wonder this same group of ute fans remain so obsessed with BYU... even during years they don't play each other... which also indicates just how absolutely deep that obsession remains. Wow!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Rufus T. Firefly

    "Glad Doug acknowledges that BYU is playing the weakest schedule since becoming independent."

    Factually INCORRECT!

    BYU played the #38 SOS last season, a schedule that was tougher than ANY schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

  • jarenmw Provo, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    I love how more than half of these comments are all from troll Utah fans. If BYU is so pathetic, and so LOW compared to Utah, why waste your time commenting? We, as BYU fans, understand the schedule isn't the greatest, and we hope for better schedules in the future, but we're going to enjoy it anyway! I'm proud of my school no matter what position we are in, and no matter what schedule we have to face year in and year out. So nobody wants to hear it. Enjoy another year as the floor mat of the PAC!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    "Colorado beat THREE D1 teams,..."

    It's funny that you didn't bother to mention which teams Colorado beat:

    Colorado St - seriously, a P5 beats their chest about beating a MWC team
    Central Arkansas - a team that lost to UT Martin (who?)
    Charleston Southern - a team that lost to Gardner-Webb (???)
    California - one of the worst teams in the country in 2013

    The truth is, Colorado has been one of, if not, the worst P5 in the country for the past three years

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    As a loyal Ute fan I agree with cougar fan, BJR. Utah and BYU should not play anymore until the fans keep things in perspective. It's a game, not a holy war. No rationale person thinks religon or GOD has anything to do with a game played by boys. If you're still depressed or bouncing off the walls 24 hours after the game you probably don't have the right perspective of a game played by young men.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    @Blue Rampage
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Chris B, you are right. If BYU wants to be a "big boy like U," they need to play a bunch of tough games and lose over half of them. Or, go back to qualifying for a BCS bowl by beating a bunch of MWC schools. Then, maybe they could become a Pac12er.

    ---------------

    First, BYU already loses over half of their games vs the big boy teams (31% winning percentage).

    Second, Utah went to a BCS bowl by finishing #6 and getting an automatic invite. Utah as one of only TWO mid-major teams to that (Utah 2004/2008 and TCU 2009/2010).

    Boise State, Hawaii, NIU, and UCF were ranked #8 or below and made a BCS bowl because Utah helped change the BCS rule from top 6 to top 12.

    Unfortunately we couldn't help BYU because we weren't able help lower the BCS qualifying standards to top 16.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    The power leagues have a bunch of gimmie games built in. Just look at the PAC12. Fans of the teams that carry the league pen in Cal, Colorado, Utah, Washington State and Oregon State as wins for their team every year.

    How often has Utah beat a PAC12 team with a winning record in the past three years?

    (once)

    How often has Utah lost to a PAC12 team with a losing record?

    UCF, Houston, Boise, USU are all currently on par with the power five lower tier programs. So are future opponents NIU and Fresno State. Those games are usually just as exciting to watch.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Uteology

    Why do you conveniently ignore the most important stat as far as Utah is concerned, record versus PAC 12 teams?

    Bronco 9-9(50%)
    Kyle 13-21(38%)

    How about Utah's road record versus PAC 12 with winning records? 0%

    Or Utah's PAC 12 record? 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18(33%)

    It seems to me, that you should be far more concerned about Utah's pathetic PAC 12 record, than worrying about BYU's record, especially since BYU is at least good enough to qualify for a bowl every year, something the Utes have only managed once in three tries in the PAC 12.

    And don't give us your typical, whiny "easier" schedule excuse. BYU played the #38 SOS in 2013 and still qualified for a bowl. The Utes have never qualified for a bowl after playing a #40+ SOS.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    @Samurai Jack
    Layton, UT

    Does BYU get honorary membership in the PAC12 in 2019 when they play UW, WSU, USC and hopefully Utah?

    ---------------

    You mean PAC 10.2.1? Then yes!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    I am hoping that beyond the three scheduled games the Y plays with the Utes that they won't schedule anymore games. Playing Utah gives BYU absolutely no benefit the majority of the years even in the off chance they win the game.

    For recruiting BYU would be better served playing a game in Florida/Texas/California areas. BYU will always have 6 or 7 games in the state. Wasting another on Utah (or USU) does not increase recruiting.

    For SOS Utah is just not winning games anymore. They are more often then not going to fail to be bowl eligible.

    Worldwide fans that are less knowledgeable of American football equate Utah in the same vein as Idaho. The name of the opponent does not matter in South America, Africa or Asia where BYU is the top known US University.

    Utah games have deep emotional impact on the players and fans. That makes for an unhealthy relationship. Just look at some of the posters on these forums. They hate the other school. Hate is BAD.

    Not playing Utah will improve LDS recruiting as more athletes will choose an LDS environment other Utah.

  • Cougsrock original Maricopa, Az
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Apparently, some readers don't realize that BYU played one of their toughest schedules last year. Next year is even tougher. The life of independentcy. I think BYU fans know this. Maybe a few interlopers don't. Or refuse to admit it.

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Taysom4:

    "The fact is WSU, Colorado, Arizona, and Oregon State are not exactly juggernauts."

    You're right, they're not. But with the exception of perhaps Colorado, each of those teams aren't pushovers, either. Last year, WSU took Auburn, a team that ended up playing for the National Championship, down to the wire on Auburn's home turf. In addition, they beat USC in LA. Arizona blew out Oregon, and Oregon State had Oregon on the ropes in the Civil War.

    My point is that those teams will still be a weekly grind when Utah plays them this year. It's called league parity. But I forgive you for not knowing anything about that concept, given byu's current and unfortunate situation as an independent.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Max-was-right
    springville, UT

    I love the little utie fans and their selective memory. They love to talk Virginia and how bad of a loss it was. I wonder if they remember the Colorado game and losing at home to a team that hadn't won a road game in like 50 years or something???

    -------------

    Actually, 50 years is the last time BYU beat Utah at LES.

    * Colorado beat THREE teams, TWO P5 teams

    * Virgina beat ZERO P5 teams, ONE P5 wannabe team

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    As a long-time season ticket holder, since 1982, I don't feel a bit sorry for BYU's season ticket holders. Independence guarantees a steady stream of new opponents and it'll be fun to see a variety of opponents from across the country visiting LES every season. I enjoyed hosting Texas last season. This season it'll be fun hosting Houston. In future seasons, we'll see Wisconsin, USC, UCLA, and most of the other PAC 12 teams visiting LES, and we'll get to see BYU playing in some great venues, West Virginia in Landover MD, Nebraska in Lincoln, Michigan in the Big House, and Arizona in Glendale.

    Looking forward to a fun season.

    Go Cougars!

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    Chris B, you are right. If BYU wants to be a "big boy like U," they need to play a bunch of tough games and lose over half of them. Or, go back to qualifying for a BCS bowl by beating a bunch of MWC schools. Then, maybe they could become a Pac12er.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Why is the Miami Beach Bowl circled twice on the map? Has BYU already received an invite?

    Maybe because Bingham High would be guaranteed a bowl game playing this schedule.

    BYU is guaranteed 9 wins this year and if they beat Texas, Boise State, and UCF they might be invited to a major bowl game. I'm thinking at worst BYU goes 10-2.

    Good luck!

    @LonestarRunner

    Colorado beat THREE D1 teams, Virgina ONE.

    Playing P5 teams is a challenge ask Bronco and Kyle.

    Utah's winning percentage since joining the PAC-12:
    11-18 37% vs P5 teams
    7-1 88% vs non P5 teams (only loss to #16 USU)

    BYU's winning percentage since going Independent:
    5-11 31% vs P5 teams
    22-2 90% vs non P5 teams (only losses to #18 BSU and #22 SJS)

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    @Samurai Jack

    "Does BYU get honorary membership in the PAC12 in 2019 when they play UW, WSU, USC and hopefully Utah?"

    No, since most or all of those games will get bought out.

  • Samurai Jack Layton, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Does BYU get honorary membership in the PAC12 in 2019 when they play UW, WSU, USC and hopefully Utah?

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    @Uteology

    We only play one good P5 team, but we play a handful of solid non-P5 teams.

    utah likes to talk up their Pac-12 schedule, but the fact is WSU, Colorado, Arizona, and Oregon State are not exactly juggernauts that the utes are facing.

    In no way am I trying to say BYU's schedule is nearly as difficult as utah's. I understand that utah's schedule is much more difficult. I am just saying that BYU's schedule is more solid than people give it credit for, and utah's schedule isn't as much of a week in and week out grind that people like to say it is.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    ekute

    Everyone knows that it's Utah that ran away from the rivalry because Chris Hill didn't think the Utes were good enough to play both BYU and Michigan in the same season - that's a fact that's easily verifiable.

    When are Utah fans going to stop obsessing about BYU's SOS and start worrying about their own team winning games?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    this is just a bad bad schedule

    100% of the big boys play at least 9 games against other big boys.

    If byU ever wants to be considered a big boy, they should play 9-10 games against the big boys.

    Not 3-4.

    Just another reason byU is a mid major

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    I love the little utie fans and their selective memory. They love to talk Virginia and how bad of a loss it was. I wonder if they remember the Colorado game and losing at home to a team that hadn't won a road game in like 50 years or something???

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    Doug,

    Go ahead and point fingers all you want. There's not a Ute or a Ute fan on the planet that regrets out schedule.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    Once again our jealous little friend from the hill demonstrates his BYU obsession.

    Nobody is claiming that this is the most difficult schedule in the world, but simply having to travel 22,000 miles in the course of one season is a challenge.

    And anybody claiming that Texas in Austin, Boise State in Boise, and UCF in Orlando won't be a challenge, doesn't know a thing about college football.

    btw, it's laughable that Uteology has to tear down a couple of P5s in order help himself sleep at night, when he usually acts as if playing a P5 is always a significant challenge regardless of the team when Utah plays them - see Colorado.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Oh, go ahead and point fingers. Doesn't matter which one.

    I'm ecstatic Utah is playing Michigan these next two years (home and home) rather than BYU. Or as some would prefer to say playing Fresno State rather than BYU. Hoping to play again once in every three or four years in the future.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    BYU could get a better schedule in the MWC. Wait...

    Independence is wonderful.

  • BJR Duchesne, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    This not playing Utah is great for both schools. It is a sick rivalry with fans acting like they have never been taught or heard the words good sportsmanship. We need to get away from it and see if we can't learn to treat each other in a civil manner. We should support each other and be an example of how to treat our friend and family rather than become crazy people and use vile language and name calling. We should not play each other until we can get our actions under control. The coaches, fans, and the Media are to blame.

  • Danny T Minneapolis, MN
    Aug. 22, 2014 6:54 a.m.

    I wish they were gonna play utah. that is always a fun one to watch.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:27 a.m.

    I feel sorry for season ticket holders, forking over thousands of $$ for the pathetic home schedule this year. But El Paso and Wyoming were no better than this year's bunch.

    BYU did so little in the late '80's and '90's to capitalize on their "National Championship" and win significant games (we lost to Miami and Penn St. before we beat them at home), court conferences like the PAC10, and get into and win BCS bowls. Even Hawaii went to one - sheesh! We reap what we have sown...

    What we could do now: hire better position coaches who have actual experience doing what we hire them to do. Bronco, Dolman and a bunch of others were first timers in their role at BYU. Fire Anae who doesn't have a clue what he is doing and is so incredibly defensive about anyone questioning him. Give Holmoe 3 years to get us into a regular P5 conference.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:02 a.m.

    How many of BYU’s opponents are from the so-called Power 5 conferences?

    Three — Texas (Big 12), Virginia (ACC), Cal (Pac-12). Two of them are among their league’s weakest teams. Cal and Virginia managed just three wins between them last season.

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    Actually, they only won ONE game. Since TWO wins were against D2 teams and BYU.

    Virginia 19
    BYU (8-5) 16

    Virginia 49
    Virginia Military (non-IA) 0

    California 37
    Portland State (non-IA)30