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Published: Friday, Aug. 22 2014 11:38 p.m. MDT

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FT
salt lake city, UT

The indictment is harmful if it keeps Govenor Perry from competing for the GOP nomination. His blunderous, uninformed, off the cuff statements defintely added to the entertainment value of the debates in 2012. Watching without Perry in 2016 may be like viewing American Idol without Simon Cowell.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think it's harmful.

Obviously he's the Governor of the State. The Governor (by Constitution) has the right to veto any legislation (even veto funding bills) without being arrested. If he has the right to veto.... he has the right to SAY that he will veto something if certain changes aren't made... and that's what he was arrested for.

It's not a criminal act. Arresting politicians for for doing things they have the right to do (because you don't like what they did) is setting a very bad precedent. Because I can guarantee you the other side will retaliate and do the same thing or worse to you. It's becoming a political gang-war mentality among the more rabid politicos out there. The "You sued our guy so we're going to arrest your guy"... kinda like the "you send one of ours to the hospital... we'll send one of yours to the morgue".

At some point we don't remember where it started (with suing Obama, impeaching Bush, impeaching Clinton, or Nixon).... and we don't even care... it just has to STOP. But neither side will LET IT stop...

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Can someone explain how it is "Helpful"?... I'm still waiting for somebody to try to make THAT case.

That should be interesting spin.

How is arresting him "helpful"? (I mean beside the help it brings by energizing your party base)

Especially when you arrest that person for doing something they have the authority to do!

Vetoes are not illegal. Talking about vetoes is not illegal. Warning the Legislature that if changes aren't made you will veto it... is also not illegal. It happens ALL THE TIME. Even right here it Utah! The Governor frequently tells the legislature he will veto their budget if certain priorities he wants aren't included.

What will happen if every time a Governor tells the legislature that he will veto a bill unless changes are made.... he is carted off to jail, booked, had his mug-shot shared on every national TV broadcast, and taken to trial???

Is that "Help-ful"... or "Hurt-ful"? I think it obviously hurts our political system (can't veto anymore) AND it hurts the individual involved.

Can ANYBODY explain how it is "HELP-ful"??

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Well . . . It’s a mixed blessing.

It underscores the FACT that many Republican Politicians are seriously challenged when it comes to their critical thinking ability.

And since that fact is being demonstrated again and again by Republican politicos, sooner or later more discerning Republicans are going to realize that the Republican Party has gone over the hill and around the bend . . . Waaaaaaaaaaay over somewhere where no rational person wants to be.

That will result in them either leaving the Republicans to join the party of sanity (the Dems), or forming a third party, or in voting for Republican candidates possessing an intelligence and outlook more consistent with the Party of Lincoln than the Party of Perry.

So that’s good.

However, Republican “pundits” are spinning this to look like a victory for Republicans and a defeat for Dems; and the Republican base is actually buying it. And that’s bad, because it shows that a significant segment of America does in fact have little ability to think critically.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

FT –

“Watching without Perry in 2016 may be like viewing American Idol without Simon Cowell.”

I know. It’s sad.

But maybe Romney will decide to run again.

Sven
Morgan, UT

So let me see if I get this, the media and the Democrats want us to become animated and outraged about Governor Perry and this bogus incitement (he was acting within his authority as Governor), but we're supposed to ignore Obama's true scandals and unconstitutional behavior?

* Benghazi (3 scandals)

* NSA scandal

* IRS scandal

*Fast and Furious (gun running) scandal

* VA scandal

* Violating the separation of powers and creating a Constitutional Crisis with his threat to provide amnesty to millions of illegals

* Obamacare Lies:

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."
"If you like your plan you can keep your plan."
"Under ACA families will save an average of $2,500."
"There are no 'death panels" in Obamacare."

This is nothing but an attempt to try and destroy the GOP Presidential field. Keep it up guys, you may be clearing the field for Palin. And we all know she lives in Obama and the Democrats heads rent free. :-D

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Sven, if Rick Perry is your GOP front runner bless you boy.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Still waiting for somebody to tell us how it's a "Helpful" thing....

We have GaryO... who sees it as a "Mixed blessing"...

I guess that's the closest we are going to get. He thinks if it hurts Republicans... it's a "Blessing"... which is close to being "Helpful". But that's from a hard core partisan's point of view. I doubt the rest of the world will see it as "Helpful"... to helping ANYTHING.

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Yesterday we had an article asking if Partisanship was going away (showed John McCain and Hillary Clinton sitting together and talking). I guess the response we are getting to this topic shows that the partisanship is NOT going away (at least with SOME people).

This indicting Governors for talking about vetos, and suing Presidents for circumventing Congress... all has to stop (no... not just one side).

Digging a pit for others, and stoking the fires of the partisan divide every day is NOT the answer...

This is NOT a "Good" thing, or a "Helpful" thing, or a "Blessing" (UNLESS you are dominated by partisan thoughts).

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey 2-bits - " I doubt the rest of the world will see it as "Helpful"... to helping ANYTHING."

The law is the law. Shouldn't the law be enforced?

Aside from the illegality, Perry's actions showed a marked lack of integrity and ethics on his part.

Perry did not veto the bill on the merits of the bill, as was his prerogative. He vetoed the bill to EXTORT CONCESSIONS totally unrelated to merits of the bill.

If what Perry did is OK, then what is not OK?

He could just as well have fired his secretary because she refused to have sex with him. Would that be OK too?

Or he could have vetoed the bill because someone didn’t put 100 million dollars in his Cayman Islands bank account. Would that be OK?

I have a hard time understanding how anyone can see Perry’s actions as anything but an abuse of power.

Oh . . . And yes 2-bits, it is helpful when the rule of law is upheld, and not even lofty politicos are above the law . . . Don't you think?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Last post, but I want to put a new question out there...

Has anybody else noticed that as soon as the media learns a Republican is Running... they're immediately attacked by the opposition (and the media)?

Is THAT a "Good" or "Helpful"???

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It took just days with Governor Christy for the media to dig up something to discredit him. Not even something HE DID... but something someone in his administration did! He's destroyed... Check.

Now it's Perry's turn.

And if it's not the media... it's Democrats in his State trying to destroy him and his family...

Palin got it too (law suits galore from Democrats at home as soon as she expressed interest)...

Romney too...

McCain too (remember the aircraft carrier incident that only came out when he decided to run)...

Bush too (National Guard Gate)...

Is THAT "Good"? "Helpful"?

I guess if you claim you're just VETTING candidates... it could be spun as a "Good" thing. But IMO this trend that as soon as somebody expresses interest in running.... the efforts to destroy them begins... is a BAD thing (and BOTH sides absolutely, positively, without a doubt, do it)...

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@2bits
Blagojavich trying to get things in return for the Senate seat was illegal. McDonnell's gifts in exchange for touting the products of a businessman is likely to be found illegal. However... there's also the matter of governors/presidents threatening vetoes unless parts of a bill are changed. I feel like this Perry thing is somewhere in between since it involves targeting a particular individual. I don't think it's illegal but at the same time it's sketchy enough that there might be some value in getting a clear answer from the courts regarding this sort of thing.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

I will tell you how this indictment is helpful to Gov. Perry:

The indictments are clearly spurious. Gov. Perry had every reason to lose faith in the head of the Ethics group, and every right to express that displeasure. He had the authority to defund this group which had no clear purpose, and was being used by some for political gain. He gave her a clear choice, and she chose selfish self-interest over the welfare of her fellow workers.

If Gov. Perry accepts the nomination for President in 2016, I will vote for him. If enough folks feel the same way, then it is HELPFUL.

Gene Poole
SLC, UT

Comments have been made about "the rule of law" by both supports and detractors of the two "major" parties. The greatest breach of the rule of law has been made by the POTUS - so many times that single incidents are now being ignored. For those who wish to castigate my comments, please understand I am neither Republican or Democrat. I look at the Constitution and how the framers of that Document would respond to today's calamitous actions by state and national governments. Just this week, the GAO determined that the Bergdahl exchange was an illegal use of funds. A crime authorized by the POTUS. The next day Rick Perry is indicted. The tail wagging the dog? Coincidence? Probably. We wouldn't want to accuse anyone of political manipulation. Did Gov. Perry have the right to veto a bill. Perhaps. Was it more egregious than the actions previously mentioned by Sven by the POTUS? I am sure that some will think even more so. And other's will ignore the implications of what is happening to our Constitution and go back to their sports reports or video games or...

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

It's simple:

Does Texas law prohibit the governor from cutting funding to a department in order to force the resignation of someone?

If it is, then he's guilty.

Texas law clearly states that a governor cannot do this. He's in violation of the law! It doesn't matter what the other person did. She could have committed murder. He still cannot use his office to cut funding to her department to force her resignation.

I get the feeling that this is swallow/Shurtleff all over again. Those 2 clearly violated laws yet some people want to play politics and smear "the other side" rather than assist in upholding the law. I thought we were a nation of law and order? Apparently not, if you're republican.

Lax11
Draper, UT

We have become a very litigious country. We have the ability to sue. arrest, or indict any person we don't like with the laws that we have created . While it is helpful to have other means to convict true criminals, these laws can also be used in many circumstances including political to swindle anyone we decide we don't like. I will now stick to the political side. What is going on here is a virus that will effect both parties. When power switches to Republicans, just guess what will happen. That's right, Dems will get audited, prosecuted, and of course... Indicted. I am repulsed by our political system at this time. It is adjacent to high school politics on a national level. Rick Perry made a poor decision here, but what about the other politicians? Obama, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan have all done things more dramatic than this instance. However at this time we have enough laws in place to indict Perry. These charges will most likely be dropped. This is just a colossal waste of time and tax payer $. Shame on our obstreperous gestures towards each party. That is what lead us to this juncture.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@GaryO:
"Aside from the illegality, Perry's actions showed a marked lack of integrity and ethics on his part."

You need to go into more detail about the illegality and ethics. The veto was legal. From what I heard about the video the prosecutor was threatening jail stuff with their jobs if they did not let her out. She was using her position to get a personal benefit.

Although Perry did not have the authority to fire her, he brought pressure on the office to get rid of an unethical official. That is leadership and integrity.

If I am mistaken, please go into more detail about why it was illegal and unethical.

No, I am not thrilled about having another Texas governor as president any more than I am thrilled about a 'community organizer'.

I think that the Democrats in this case have fallen into a trap where they demonize everyone who disagrees with them and they found a loophole to indict Perry. Unfortunately, it may end up helping Perry in his nomination. I thought (hoped) he was not running again and now I know. They gave him free publicity.

dwalk
Albuquerque, NM

Remember, this is what Democrats did to Tom Delay, Ted Stevens, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Scott Walker and Sarah Palin. All of these cases were found to be fraudulent and the individuals were found innocent or the charges were thrown out of court.

Rick Perry has been almost the only one willing to stand up for our country's Immigration laws and stand up for the accompanying protection of our children and grand children.

Democrats who are defending the indictment claim that political revenge isn't a motive because the charges were brought by a grand jury. But the tactic of using a special prosecutor to disguise political motives is common. All of the above cases were designed by political motives in this manner, just to put a cosmetic touch of respectability on false political charges.

When Democrats cannot defend their failed programs or personal behavior failings, this is what they do. False charges which cause political opponents to endure enormous personal expense, degraded reputations and hours upon hours of defending themselves. That is a common Democratic ploy.

Honest and fair Democrats such as John F. Kennedy are turning over in their graves as they watch today’s behavior of Ploiticians.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Helpful" to whom?

Bogus charges against a Republican and/or conservative front runner are always "helpful" to Democrats who depend on the politics of personal destruction, but decry them when their candidates actual criminal activities are questioned.

Endlessly repetition of false allegations "as news" by the liberal news media is always "helpful" to Democrats.

Of course, anything that helps liberal Democrats is actually harmful to our country, and especially the future freedom and prosperity of our children. I have 17.5 trillion examples to prove this!

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

Helpful. A big part of the story is being omitted. Pressuring a convicted lawbreaker to leave office probably sounds legitimate. Problem is, that Public Integrity Unit was investigating a cancer research institute that was one of Perry's pet projects. (One of its former high-ranking officials now faces a felony corruption charge.) If the district attorney had stepped down before she was up for re-election, Perry would have picked her replacement, who could then presumably have quashed the investigation. There is a very real chance that Perry was using political pressure and attempted intimidation to help a crony. If true, Perry needs to be held accountable for his actions.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Real Maverick

Thanks for pointing out to all the law and order types around this website, that what Perry did is illegal in Texas. Maybe in Utah it is okay to threaten and intimidate others, but other states (even Texas) have some laws to prevent corruption and political intimidation.

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