I don't want to live in a country in which we are ruled over by a king, or
laden with burdensome taxes. Israel, Zarahemla, and Rome all learned that
lesson the hard way. The thirteen colonies realized it was a problem and
worf, you are asking for examples which by now seems really erratic since it has
now been proven that the Lee/Cruz shutdown cost this country and it's
citizens billions of dollars. My family located outside of Zion's lost
tens of thousands of dollars due to Lee shutting down the government. Shame on
him for his do nothing attitude. We are tired of listening to him pontificate
and then do absolutely nothing to help. Instead he took money out of our
pockets. Literally! Hopefully smart citizens of Utah will vote this man out.
To "mcclark" what "deregulation" of the banks? I have read what
has happened when regulations on banks were changed. What you call
"deregulation" actuall ended up increasing regulation on banks.In fact it is partially because of banking regulations and the micromanagement
from government that caused the meltdown. If you look at the history of
sub-prime loans, they have been increasing every year. In the 1940's very
few loans were sub-prime, and by 2000 you had about 20% of loans being
sub-prime. The banks were mandated by the government to lower lending standards
and were mandated to do a lot of the things that lead to the banking crisis.The government regulations opened the doors for people to do stupid
things, and the banks couldn't stop it.What do you mean that
nobody has tried to micromanage you? If tomorrow you decide that you don't
want to offer health insurance, what will happen? What if you want to pay your
janitor $6/hr? How about liability insurance, was that a choice or mandate? Do
you shovel the snow off your sidewalk within 24 hours of snow falling? Those
are all government mandates on you and your business.
‘Government regulation has become like 'helicopter parents'.Of course!* seventeen trillion dollar debt* high
unemployment, and under employment.* a workforce where high skilled
workers come from other countries.* high poverty rateThe facts
are there, and Mike Lee isn't blind to it.
"Remember the Great Recession? Brought about by deregulating the
banks?"What specific deregulation caused the Great Recession?
If you say "Gramm-Leach-Bliley," you are not a serious
person. Virtually none of the entities whose collapse precipitated the 2008
financial crisis -- Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros., Merrill Lynch, AIG, Fannie Mae
and Freddie Mac -- were operating both as commercial banks and investment banks,
which Glass-Steagall used to restrict. The problem was that securitization of
mortgages, and the sale of the securities to commercial banks (all of which was
legal even under the old Glass-Steagall rules) exposed commercial banks to
investment bank-style risks, whether they did investment banking themselves or
not. The financial crisis occurred because too many people lied on
their mortgages and borrowed more money to buy overpriced property than they
should have.The idea that you can regulate away stupid is a fantasy.
Another problem with modern administrative regulation is that makes
self-government a fiction.Barack Obama said, "Government is just
another word for those things we do together." Nonsense. Not even an
extraordinarily well-informed person knows one percent of what government
agencies do, or of the rules they write. How can any of us properly be said to
have consented to what we don't even know about?
I think many liberals misunderstand what "regulation" actually is.Deregulation does not mean "no rules." Lying, cheating,
stealing, causing damage, hurting people, creating public nuisances have always
been against the law, and always will be. The common law's
basic premise is that you are free to do what you want, as long as it
doesn't cause harm; if it does, you're responsible for the damage.Modern administrative regulation, on the other hand, seeks to
micromanage everything so damage never occurs. It's questionable whether
this really adds any greater benefit than the common law system -- after all,
the 2008 financial crisis occurred in one of the most heavily regulated sectors
of any economy ever. (Anyone who thinks that "unregulated" is an
accurate description of the financial industry needs to do some reading.) Some regulations are useful. The tort system isn't always a
perfect mechanism to deter and compensate harm. But regulations that cost more
to comply with than they save in avoided harms are not a good value.
Utah Bill:"However, the Republican-led Congress, like their
predecessors, rarely bothers to address regulatory issues - other than to
complain about their impact."So how effective do you think a
Republican-led House of Representatives (there, I fixed that for you) are going
to be in getting a regulatory reform bill through Harry Reid's Senate and
past Barack Obama's veto?
Redshirt---ever run a business? I have for over thirty years, nobody has tried
to micromanage me. Remember the Great Recession? Brought about by deregulating
the banks? Regulations are required to keep people from doing stupid things
that blow up the economy.
Wow, the liberals here really don't understand what Mike Lee is saying. He
is not saying that we need to get rid of all regulations and government. You
obviously don't know what helicopter parents are.The helicopter
parents are the parents that not only micromanage every aspect of their
child's life, but they are also the ones that rush in to save their child
(even when that child is an adult) from the consequences of their bad decision.
Read "What Is Helicopter Parenting?" in Parenting Magazine.Do we want a government that will come in and bail out every business and
individual that makes a bad choice? Do we want a government that micromanages
your life and doesn't give you the opportunity to make important
decisions?To continue the parenting analogy of the government, we
need a government that doesn't micromanage, yet has some simple and basic
rules that apply to both the government and to the people equally. The biggest
issue is allowing people and businesses to fail. The government has to allow
that, despite the pain it may cause people and the US. It is the only way to
@I Know it, blah,blah....What does God have to do with this specific topic? Why
do neo-cons attempt to bring religion into every discussion? Fantastic. You
believe in God.
Sen. Lee, can you name even five members of Congress who have the necessary
education and technical background to determine whether automobile tailpipe
emission limits for polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons should be set at 0.5 ppm, 5
ppm, 50 ppm, or 500 ppm? For that matter, who could even define a polycyclic
aromatic hydrocarbon? (Hint: probably not Reps. Bachmann or Gohmert) Now
let's move on to water quality regulations. What is the maximum allowable
discharge of biochemical oxygen demand from a confined animal feeding operation
that will not result in a decrease of fish populations a mile downstream?
Please show your calculations.There is a good reason that Congress
passes laws setting general policy goals and leaves the details to the executive
regulatory agencies. Few in Congress have the technical or scientific expertise
to write detailed specifications into legislation. It can take a regulatory
agency years to promulgate a single regulation. Do you really want Congress
tackling every regulatory detail? If you think there is gridlock now...
Dear Mike Lee,To pass laws that would help de-regulate our
government, you are going to have to seek cooperation from the democrats. This
is something you have refused to do. You don't seem to realize that they
are not the "enemy" but fellow Americans.Until you can do
this, until you become a statesman instead of a party hack, this will not
happen. Grow up and use the system that we were given instead of wanting a one
party rule. It isn't going to happen, sir.Learn what
compromise means and how to use it for the betterment of the United States.
Tough to spin a tea party stance into actual governance. Shut down the
government and all regulation is usual answer.
Regulation isn't bad.Regulation is law.Law is order.God's House is one of order. God has laws. We keep them in order to
grow.The problem is which law is being written. Our laws make it
harder to live free, operate a business, and make choices about how we live...
while allowing those with wealth and power to retain it. Regulation isn't
the issue. It's that the people who make decisions aren't being
regulated. Even worse is that they often regulate everyone else to prevent any
other scenario. It's a recipe for failure. It will fail. It's really
about who you put your trust in. God won't fail. Man will.God's laws don't fail. Ours almost always do, because we're
prone to wander. When as a people we live by true principles, we are fine. When
we don't, we fail.
@RichardBDeregulation works.It's the bailing out
that doesn't work, because they are not held accountable and responsible
for what they do.
We deregulated the airlines, then had to bail them out. We deregulated the
Savings and loans, then had to bail them out and we deregulated the banks, a
again we had to bail them out. De-regulation doesn't work.
Just do term limits. Good results will follow, responsibility, representation,
accountability. 2 terms no mas for senators. 4 terms no mas for
representatives. starts with the passage of the amendment or law I think an
amendment is needed, no grandfathering in existing congressmen, no add-ons keep
it simple and clear. Get us back to citizen legislators. Make congressmen go
back to their old jobs and live with the legislation they've passed. Other
issues will be more easily solved once the lifers are out.
There you go again..."Roger, Roger".
@FT really? We don't need to guess at the flavor of kool-aid you are
drinking. @UTAH Bill, When did "Congress" cease the
inclusion of the Senate? Oh, yeah, partisanship gives definition to your
words... Or did you just forget who the Senate Majority Leader is?
I am a small business owner, where are these regulations that are strangling me?
Most of the rules and regulations I must live under are common sense.If I had my
way, we would have single payer health care. I could offer my employees the same
insurance as IBM. And my competitors would be paying the same as me.
Vanceone---Obama and his buddies are subject to Romneycare, if they don't
already have health insurance they are required to get some.
@There you go again."..and quit calling me Shirley."
But isn't it the government's job to replace God and Church with laws
and regulations and bribes and kickbacks and government ruling you
peasants--never ruling a liberal, of course (hint, we are the Privileged
classes--only the proletariat has to live by the laws we write! Just ask Obama
if he or his friends are subject to Obamacare!)? How can anyone live if
government isn't there to tell them when to eat, sleep, or even how to use
a toilet?/ so says the leftists
Please don't feed the trolls, people."Light and
Liberty" is a serious misnomer.> Progressives love bureaucracy and
ineptitude. Government thrives on ignorance, control, and power, something the
progressives can't do without!Do you even read the stuff you
@The ReaderThank you for taking the time to respond to my
comment.With all due respect, I can see, from your comment, that you
are unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm.I would encourage you to
read any of my comments, over the last 2 years, for example, regarding my
position, on the benefits, of a Mike Lee run universe.There You Go
Again as a Mike Lee lackey?Surely you jest.
Mike Lee is like Charlie Brown's teacher. "wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh
wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh."
FT,Give some examples of how Sen Mike Lee's rhetoric, and
partisan ways have cost our country and state billions of dollars.I'm anxious to learn.
I never said no regulations. If a reader can't understand the difference
between a government that serves the people and one that rules the people, I
can't help him/her. Anyone that defends our governments regulatory
policies as a model of efficiency is not living in the real world. For all the
babble about "corporations" and the "military industrial
complex", something with which I agree, you would think that those same
people wouldn't hide their heads in the sand claiming that some evil
Republican is the author of it, as if Democrats, and the President, are idle
bystanders. When are people going to get a clue and realize that both parties
love "corporations", the "industrial-military complex", welfare,
and every other program that is a part of the charade of government
"service." Both Democrats, Republicans, and every other office holder
love it. They love war; they love poverty; they love immoral behavior. It gives
them a chance to "fix" it and burden the workers with more taxes and
regulation. One can be remain stupid, but once enlightened, you can't be
made ignorant! It's time for Americans quit viewing the government as
grampa Santa Claus.
There you go again - You are obviously one of Mike Lee's lackeys? Think
about what you said and what the consequences would be for the Average American
citizen,know what it would mean for the rightwing-nuts. NO regulations =
lying, cheating and money grubbing for those who want no regulations. Simply a
mess where the haves (rightwing nuts) get everything without anyone stopping
them at the expense of the rest of the nation.
It's refreshing to see Lee acknowledge the role of Congress in regulatory
law. Most politicos, when complaining about regs, conveniently fail to mention
Congress has the authority to vote out rules it does not like and can also force
modification of rules once they are implemented. However, the Republican-led
Congress, like their predecessors, rarely bothers to address regulatory issues -
other than to complain about their impact.
What could possibly be better than a country ruled by Republicans?No
regulations on Banks or any part of Corporate America as well as the
military-industrial complex until those entities let the Republican Party know
the exact level of regulations they need to do business.A teenagers
dream come true?Exactly.BTW,The best way to
get rid of helicopter parents is to do away with all those pesky regulations.Exact Level?Zero regulations.Exactly.
Here they come. Instead of acknowledging the fact, the progressives will divert
to some other topic. By acknowledging the ineptitude and bureaucratic nightmare
many Americans are living through, one has to acknowledge the ineptitude of
government. Progressives love bureaucracy and ineptitude. Government thrives on
ignorance, control, and power, something the progressives can't do without!
Mike-outside of a few right wing radicals nobody is listening to you anymore.
You're rhetoric and partisan ways have cost our country and state billions