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Government regulation has become like 'helicopter parents,' Sen. Mike Lee says

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  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    Aug. 25, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    I don't want to live in a country in which we are ruled over by a king, or laden with burdensome taxes. Israel, Zarahemla, and Rome all learned that lesson the hard way. The thirteen colonies realized it was a problem and reversed it.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    worf, you are asking for examples which by now seems really erratic since it has now been proven that the Lee/Cruz shutdown cost this country and it's citizens billions of dollars. My family located outside of Zion's lost tens of thousands of dollars due to Lee shutting down the government. Shame on him for his do nothing attitude. We are tired of listening to him pontificate and then do absolutely nothing to help. Instead he took money out of our pockets. Literally! Hopefully smart citizens of Utah will vote this man out.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    To "mcclark" what "deregulation" of the banks? I have read what has happened when regulations on banks were changed. What you call "deregulation" actuall ended up increasing regulation on banks.

    In fact it is partially because of banking regulations and the micromanagement from government that caused the meltdown. If you look at the history of sub-prime loans, they have been increasing every year. In the 1940's very few loans were sub-prime, and by 2000 you had about 20% of loans being sub-prime. The banks were mandated by the government to lower lending standards and were mandated to do a lot of the things that lead to the banking crisis.

    The government regulations opened the doors for people to do stupid things, and the banks couldn't stop it.

    What do you mean that nobody has tried to micromanage you? If tomorrow you decide that you don't want to offer health insurance, what will happen? What if you want to pay your janitor $6/hr? How about liability insurance, was that a choice or mandate? Do you shovel the snow off your sidewalk within 24 hours of snow falling? Those are all government mandates on you and your business.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    ‘Government regulation has become like 'helicopter parents'.

    Of course!

    * seventeen trillion dollar debt
    * high unemployment, and under employment.
    * a workforce where high skilled workers come from other countries.
    * high poverty rate

    The facts are there, and Mike Lee isn't blind to it.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    "Remember the Great Recession? Brought about by deregulating the banks?"

    What specific deregulation caused the Great Recession?

    If you say "Gramm-Leach-Bliley," you are not a serious person. Virtually none of the entities whose collapse precipitated the 2008 financial crisis -- Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros., Merrill Lynch, AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- were operating both as commercial banks and investment banks, which Glass-Steagall used to restrict. The problem was that securitization of mortgages, and the sale of the securities to commercial banks (all of which was legal even under the old Glass-Steagall rules) exposed commercial banks to investment bank-style risks, whether they did investment banking themselves or not.

    The financial crisis occurred because too many people lied on their mortgages and borrowed more money to buy overpriced property than they should have.

    The idea that you can regulate away stupid is a fantasy.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    Another problem with modern administrative regulation is that makes self-government a fiction.

    Barack Obama said, "Government is just another word for those things we do together." Nonsense. Not even an extraordinarily well-informed person knows one percent of what government agencies do, or of the rules they write. How can any of us properly be said to have consented to what we don't even know about?

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    I think many liberals misunderstand what "regulation" actually is.

    Deregulation does not mean "no rules." Lying, cheating, stealing, causing damage, hurting people, creating public nuisances have always been against the law, and always will be.

    The common law's basic premise is that you are free to do what you want, as long as it doesn't cause harm; if it does, you're responsible for the damage.

    Modern administrative regulation, on the other hand, seeks to micromanage everything so damage never occurs. It's questionable whether this really adds any greater benefit than the common law system -- after all, the 2008 financial crisis occurred in one of the most heavily regulated sectors of any economy ever. (Anyone who thinks that "unregulated" is an accurate description of the financial industry needs to do some reading.)

    Some regulations are useful. The tort system isn't always a perfect mechanism to deter and compensate harm. But regulations that cost more to comply with than they save in avoided harms are not a good value.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    Utah Bill:

    "However, the Republican-led Congress, like their predecessors, rarely bothers to address regulatory issues - other than to complain about their impact."

    So how effective do you think a Republican-led House of Representatives (there, I fixed that for you) are going to be in getting a regulatory reform bill through Harry Reid's Senate and past Barack Obama's veto?

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Redshirt---ever run a business? I have for over thirty years, nobody has tried to micromanage me. Remember the Great Recession? Brought about by deregulating the banks? Regulations are required to keep people from doing stupid things that blow up the economy.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Wow, the liberals here really don't understand what Mike Lee is saying. He is not saying that we need to get rid of all regulations and government. You obviously don't know what helicopter parents are.

    The helicopter parents are the parents that not only micromanage every aspect of their child's life, but they are also the ones that rush in to save their child (even when that child is an adult) from the consequences of their bad decision. Read "What Is Helicopter Parenting?" in Parenting Magazine.

    Do we want a government that will come in and bail out every business and individual that makes a bad choice? Do we want a government that micromanages your life and doesn't give you the opportunity to make important decisions?

    To continue the parenting analogy of the government, we need a government that doesn't micromanage, yet has some simple and basic rules that apply to both the government and to the people equally. The biggest issue is allowing people and businesses to fail. The government has to allow that, despite the pain it may cause people and the US. It is the only way to stay healthy.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    @I Know it, blah,blah....What does God have to do with this specific topic? Why do neo-cons attempt to bring religion into every discussion? Fantastic. You believe in God.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    Sen. Lee, can you name even five members of Congress who have the necessary education and technical background to determine whether automobile tailpipe emission limits for polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons should be set at 0.5 ppm, 5 ppm, 50 ppm, or 500 ppm? For that matter, who could even define a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon? (Hint: probably not Reps. Bachmann or Gohmert) Now let's move on to water quality regulations. What is the maximum allowable discharge of biochemical oxygen demand from a confined animal feeding operation that will not result in a decrease of fish populations a mile downstream? Please show your calculations.

    There is a good reason that Congress passes laws setting general policy goals and leaves the details to the executive regulatory agencies. Few in Congress have the technical or scientific expertise to write detailed specifications into legislation. It can take a regulatory agency years to promulgate a single regulation. Do you really want Congress tackling every regulatory detail? If you think there is gridlock now...

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    Dear Mike Lee,

    To pass laws that would help de-regulate our government, you are going to have to seek cooperation from the democrats. This is something you have refused to do. You don't seem to realize that they are not the "enemy" but fellow Americans.

    Until you can do this, until you become a statesman instead of a party hack, this will not happen. Grow up and use the system that we were given instead of wanting a one party rule. It isn't going to happen, sir.

    Learn what compromise means and how to use it for the betterment of the United States.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    Tough to spin a tea party stance into actual governance. Shut down the government and all regulation is usual answer.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:33 p.m.

    Regulation isn't bad.

    Regulation is law.
    Law is order.
    God's House is one of order. God has laws. We keep them in order to grow.

    The problem is which law is being written. Our laws make it harder to live free, operate a business, and make choices about how we live... while allowing those with wealth and power to retain it. Regulation isn't the issue. It's that the people who make decisions aren't being regulated. Even worse is that they often regulate everyone else to prevent any other scenario. It's a recipe for failure. It will fail. It's really about who you put your trust in. God won't fail. Man will.

    God's laws don't fail. Ours almost always do, because we're prone to wander. When as a people we live by true principles, we are fine. When we don't, we fail.

  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    @RichardB

    Deregulation works.

    It's the bailing out that doesn't work, because they are not held accountable and responsible for what they do.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:43 p.m.

    We deregulated the airlines, then had to bail them out. We deregulated the Savings and loans, then had to bail them out and we deregulated the banks, a again we had to bail them out. De-regulation doesn't work.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    Just do term limits. Good results will follow, responsibility, representation, accountability. 2 terms no mas for senators. 4 terms no mas for representatives. starts with the passage of the amendment or law I think an amendment is needed, no grandfathering in existing congressmen, no add-ons keep it simple and clear. Get us back to citizen legislators. Make congressmen go back to their old jobs and live with the legislation they've passed. Other issues will be more easily solved once the lifers are out.

  • Madsen Hall Magic Centerville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    There you go again...

    "Roger, Roger".

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:12 p.m.

    @FT really? We don't need to guess at the flavor of kool-aid you are drinking.

    @UTAH Bill, When did "Congress" cease the inclusion of the Senate? Oh, yeah, partisanship gives definition to your words... Or did you just forget who the Senate Majority Leader is?

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    I am a small business owner, where are these regulations that are strangling me? Most of the rules and regulations I must live under are common sense.If I had my way, we would have single payer health care. I could offer my employees the same insurance as IBM. And my competitors would be paying the same as me. Vanceone---Obama and his buddies are subject to Romneycare, if they don't already have health insurance they are required to get some.

  • SharpHooks Lake Sammamish, WA
    Aug. 21, 2014 4:33 p.m.

    @There you go again.

    "..and quit calling me Shirley."

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    But isn't it the government's job to replace God and Church with laws and regulations and bribes and kickbacks and government ruling you peasants--never ruling a liberal, of course (hint, we are the Privileged classes--only the proletariat has to live by the laws we write! Just ask Obama if he or his friends are subject to Obamacare!)? How can anyone live if government isn't there to tell them when to eat, sleep, or even how to use a toilet?

    / so says the leftists

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    Please don't feed the trolls, people.

    "Light and Liberty" is a serious misnomer.
    > Progressives love bureaucracy and ineptitude. Government thrives on ignorance, control, and power, something the progressives can't do without!

    Do you even read the stuff you write?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    @The Reader

    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment.

    With all due respect, I can see, from your comment, that you are unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm.

    I would encourage you to read any of my comments, over the last 2 years, for example, regarding my position, on the benefits, of a Mike Lee run universe.

    There You Go Again as a Mike Lee lackey?

    Surely you jest.

  • SharpHooks Lake Sammamish, WA
    Aug. 21, 2014 4:00 p.m.

    Mike Lee is like Charlie Brown's teacher. "wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    FT,

    Give some examples of how Sen Mike Lee's rhetoric, and partisan ways have cost our country and state billions of dollars.

    I'm anxious to learn.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    I never said no regulations. If a reader can't understand the difference between a government that serves the people and one that rules the people, I can't help him/her. Anyone that defends our governments regulatory policies as a model of efficiency is not living in the real world. For all the babble about "corporations" and the "military industrial complex", something with which I agree, you would think that those same people wouldn't hide their heads in the sand claiming that some evil Republican is the author of it, as if Democrats, and the President, are idle bystanders. When are people going to get a clue and realize that both parties love "corporations", the "industrial-military complex", welfare, and every other program that is a part of the charade of government "service." Both Democrats, Republicans, and every other office holder love it. They love war; they love poverty; they love immoral behavior. It gives them a chance to "fix" it and burden the workers with more taxes and regulation. One can be remain stupid, but once enlightened, you can't be made ignorant! It's time for Americans quit viewing the government as grampa Santa Claus.

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    There you go again - You are obviously one of Mike Lee's lackeys? Think about what you said and what the consequences would be for the Average American citizen,know what it would mean for the rightwing-nuts. NO regulations = lying, cheating and money grubbing for those who want no regulations. Simply a mess where the haves (rightwing nuts) get everything without anyone stopping them at the expense of the rest of the nation.

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    It's refreshing to see Lee acknowledge the role of Congress in regulatory law. Most politicos, when complaining about regs, conveniently fail to mention Congress has the authority to vote out rules it does not like and can also force modification of rules once they are implemented. However, the Republican-led Congress, like their predecessors, rarely bothers to address regulatory issues - other than to complain about their impact.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    What could possibly be better than a country ruled by Republicans?

    No regulations on Banks or any part of Corporate America as well as the military-industrial complex until those entities let the Republican Party know the exact level of regulations they need to do business.

    A teenagers dream come true?

    Exactly.

    BTW,

    The best way to get rid of helicopter parents is to do away with all those pesky regulations.

    Exact Level?

    Zero regulations.

    Exactly.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:50 p.m.

    Here they come. Instead of acknowledging the fact, the progressives will divert to some other topic. By acknowledging the ineptitude and bureaucratic nightmare many Americans are living through, one has to acknowledge the ineptitude of government. Progressives love bureaucracy and ineptitude. Government thrives on ignorance, control, and power, something the progressives can't do without!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    Mike-outside of a few right wing radicals nobody is listening to you anymore. You're rhetoric and partisan ways have cost our country and state billions of dollars.