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Published: Thursday, Aug. 21 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

All the beautiful thoughts and daily prayers didn't stop Utah from overwhelmingly voting for George Bush and Dick Cheney...twice...deep sighs....I think your idea about "one generation from world-peace" is not likely.

Also, don't paint with such a broad brush when you know very little about the people and communities you refer to.
Peace does start at home for sure.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Many people are just looking for an excuse to steal and destroy.

Burke, VA

"If this community wants to change their image with police officers, they need to act differently and make changes from what has been expected."

Over 90% of those arrested for violent behavior (looting, etc.) are not residents of Ferguson. Of course the MSM has not highlighted this fact otherwise it might hurt their nightly ratings. But people seeking the truth will find this evidence. There is overwhelming evidence of a long history of police harassment in Ferguson and even more evidence that Michael Brown was shot while attempting to surrender and so just who is it that needs to "act differently"?

"When Children learn how to get along with others and learn that it is way more profitable to make one's self better...all this violence and hate in the world will stop"

It's a two way street. Both sides need to learn that lesson. The vast, vast majority of Ferguson's residents are simply exercising their rights of free speech, in a peaceful way. But that becomes difficult in the midst of fire hoses and tear gas..

Here, UT

The damage done to the Ferguson boy was "irreparable", wasn't it?

This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it.

E Sam
Provo, UT

Actually, most of the violence was committed by people from outside Ferguson. Every morning, we see young men with brooms and shovels cleaning up. There have been many positive actions, including a voter registration drive. Good can come from this tragedy.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Maverick is absolutely correct. This incident has moved beyond any thoughtful discussion of racism, and has turned into outright anarchy.

Let me give a directly applicable analogy here.  Abraham Lincoln famously stated "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."

That is exactly what is happening in Ferguson. The general population is completely out of control, and the very government is nearing a point of helplessness. Something must be done immediately to restore public order.


Maybe the police should start by de-escalating the situation rather than escalating it. Perhaps aiming your guns everywhere you go isn't good for calming people down. Maybe martial law makes people more mad. What if it was our community?

Springville, UT

Two points. First, perhaps the problem is with the police, at least in large part. Second, perhaps racism is still a serious problem and some, like the letter writer, do not have a full appreciation of the issue of race in America.


From an AP news story, '"Riots erupt when all other options have been closed," said Cathy Schneider, an American University professor who studies race riots. "When people really feel vulnerable in the face of police violence and local authorities are totally impervious to community demands."

'Ferguson is 67 percent black; the mayor, city council, school board and police force are almost all white.'

Yes, there are a lot of people from all over the US who are upset when young, unarmed black men are killed by police. Yes, many of those people are converging in Ferguson and protesting this latest death. But, as the White Stripes song says, you can't take the effect and make it cause. The police aren't behaving badly because these riots are occurring - the riots are occurring because the police are behaving badly.

Victims not fighting back is not peace.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

If Democrats are going to "quote" Republicans, the least they can do is let the Republican speak for himself - instead of using Saul Alinsky tactics.

The full quote was: "Mr. Wills told the right-wing website Breitbart: “If that’s not fanning the political flames, I don’t know what is. I think it’s not only disgusting but completely inappropriate.”

Eye witness accounts tell an entirely different story than the media has reported. Agitators, i.e., community organizers came from all over America to "participate" in the rioting and to make certain that civil unrest continued until their leader got what he wanted.

How many "riots" will we have in America before the next election? How many lawbreakers will those "community organizers" USE to get out the vote?

Well, it works both ways. 100% of eligible voters should be registered in every part of America. Those who want to take this Country back from agitators need to vote their conscience. It's time to tell a President who uses his office to divide America that we are done with his rhetoric and his tactics.

By all means, vote!

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The resurgence of racial hatred in America makes one think that it never really went away. Despite all the progress we have made in giving equal opportunity to all races, it seems to be coming back with a vengeance.

I think it is mainly due to the hate campaigns of conservative media in their efforts to make President Obama fail.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I agree with The Real Maverick. " Many people are just looking for an excuse to steal and destroy".

I fault those who would take the statement to only be referring to ordinary people who take every opportunity to get ahead.

The real conglomeration of people seeking to steal, cheat, impose and even destroy are those who manipulate our government to their private desires. It is likely that they have stolen more from people than all the looters and stealers of public demonstrations in the history of America.

J Thompson

Obama needs no help from Republics to show that he is failing. What America needs is a media that reports accurately the facts instead of reporting what Obama wants to see on the news or read in the papers.

Where are the news reports that tell us who those community organizers are that just happened to show up in Ferguson? Why were they there? Who paid their way? Who gave them instructions? Why were they not arrested for inciting riots?

This Country is more divided now than it was in 2008 simply because Obama preaches class warfare. He constantly tells us that some "rich guy" owes the rest of us. He shows that he believes that by spending his time vacationing and playing golf. Where is the outrage about a President who shirks his duty?

What would have happened in Ferguson if the community organizers had stayed away? We'll never know, but it's time to start prosecuting anyone who incites a riot, no matter whose payroll they're on.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

I recall you said the reason you have guns [2nd amendment]
is to protect youself against a tyranical government.

Isn't that what the people shooting at police in Ferguson doing?

They see the Police [Government] as a bully and a threat...

Centerville, UT

"mainly due to the hate campaigns of conservative media " Ok ultra, chapter and verse, you can't make a blood libel kind of statement and not show text. Obama's failure has nothing to do with race, politics maybe, but not race.

I have never seen or heard a conservative commentator tell us race is the reason they oppose Obama, but I hear everyday liberal commentators tell us the reason he fails is because of racial hate. Who then is the racist? The liberal left saying he is failing because he is black and race is at the bottom of all the policies, or conservatives who do not like his policies because they are wrong?

When America learns to judge people for the content of their heart, and not the color of their skin, then will the our nation grow.

It can start by defending Obama's policies, not the color of his skin.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

The LA riots were much worse than this in terms of damage. A little premature to talk about irrepairable damage.

Centerville, UT

You are right Irony guy the Republican party labeling the voter registration drive in Ferguson disgusting is a party failure. In fact The Republican party has failed miserably in this area. They should be there in mass helping voters register, and teaching the new voters how to vote, and what they can do to insure their votes are accurate and counted. How they can prevent voter fraud from any political group. Teach them the importance of an honest vote.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

As usual Open Minded Mormon is using Saul Alinky's model to twist the words of others. If Open Minded Mormon wants to use his own gun to overthrow the government, then let him say so.

Twisting words, misrepresenting others, oblique attacks are all found in the "community organizer,Saul Alingsky's book, "Rules for Radicals". If you read that book, you'll see that some posters use the methods found in that book. What's worse is that leadership in Washington also closely follows the teaching of that book. The "community organizers" sent to Ferguson closely followed the teachings of that book.

It's time in America for those of us who believe in the Constitution to stand up for its principles of PEACEFUL assembly, of free speech against the government's misuse of authority, and to speak out against those who twist words to suit their own purposes.

The good people of Ferguson were USED and their city sullied by community organizers.

Morgan, UT

Ranch said:

"This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it."


So Ranch, Police in this nation are "killing unarmed black kids with impunity..."? Please enlighten all of us and provide specific examples of this epidemic that we keep hearing you folks on the Left wring your hands about.

Blacks make up 13% of the US population (39,000,000). Please provide us:

* Names of the Black Victims
* Names of White Law Enforcement Officers
* Specific injustice committed by white cops against black persons
* Location of injustice (State/city)
* News stories related to event

Again, it should be very easy to provide example after example of these injustices you folks on the left say is common place in the USA.

BTW, as the facts continue to come out, looks Like Michael Brown did indeed assault this officer and did inflict bodily damage on his person (major damage to his eye socket). Also looks like the witnesses were lying, as confirmed by the autopsy reports.

We're breathlessly waiting for your examples???

Centerville, UT

And the myth continues "This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it." Is this an everyday occurrence, what about and how often do police kill unarmed white kids with impunity and getting away with it. How many whites, blacks, Hispanic, and other races. What are the rates. How about the fact of black on black crime how many innocent little children died in Chicago, Detroit, Philly, and on and on, with impunity and getting away with it.

The popular narrative is falling apart in Ferguson, an officer had his face bashed in by as Travons witness said a good (censored), by an individual who just robbed a convenience store, and was now charging directly at him. Given the officers face is smashed, and probably cannot see clearly, and someone is charging at him, I think I would fire also. Mind you he is trained to shoot to kill. Their is no innocence in this case, this is not a white on black crime. It is an officer against a thug, their is no race in this.

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