When I read the very odd and poorly laid out piece suggesting that BYU will be
forced to drop athletics in accordance with some new direction by the schools
owners, I immediately thought that it was simply a "stir the pot, get people
talking" attempt, a cheap publicity gimmick. I have not changed my mind.
BYU's owners would be throwing away more millions if they did so, than one
can realize on the surface. Every one of their contracts to play a game
incLuke's a buy-out clause, imagine paying the $750,000-$1.5 million
buyouts to 20-30 schools, in the case of neutral sites, add another millions per
game. Maintaining LES, while not having game revenue would be crazy expensive.
All this said, how many big donors supporting academics, became involved because
of their interest in BYU Sports? Some non-LDS but supportive of possibly one of
the cleanest football/basketball programs in Div 1/FBS? I've read the
reports on Syracuse, and a federal judge's finding at Chapel Hill or UNC.
Paper No-Show classes, pressing a Dean or professor to change grades to keep a
kid eligible, and these are repeat findings, both schools have had similar
Chris BWho cares what pundits currently think?The truth
is, NOBODY knows how things are going to play out in the next 3 or 4 years.One single move, like Texas joining the Big Ten, could start another
conference realignment frenzy.
Taylormade,Your silence is deafening!Still no names of
the supposed east coast media member who thinks byU will be included in some way
with the big boys within 4 years?I provided proof from the LA times
that once again shows the experts don't see how byu fits into the big
A 32 team semi-pro league would collect more money per team than the current 65
will. They could create a real playoff further increasing revenues. They could
then make the players paid employees of the school bypassing the title 9
requirements of women's sports.The remaining schools could
continue having student athletes under the current rules. I wouldn't mind
if BYU were left behind in this scenario. It would return amateurism to the
bulk of college sports. And Two for would still be able to watch and follow the
RE: UteologyWeird how you forgot to leave the other Utah teams off
your ratings list. Here, let me provide a more complete picture...57 BYU 1,129,444 0.7 971 USU 731,000 0.5 473 Utah 662,000 0.4 5BYU may not have the "world-wide" brand you referred to, but at
least they get more viewers than Northern Illinois, Washington State, Uconn,
Virginia, and Fresno State (all BYU opponents that have higher viewership than
@Two For FlinchingI don't see Utah and BYU fans, or anyone else
for that matter, tuning in to watch USC and LSU in a separate 32 team league.-------------You are correct and it is because college
football is a regional sport, with college football being most popular in the
SEC region. Let's look at last years numbers, average TV
viewership and ratings:1 Alabama 6,465,000 3.92 Texas A&M
5,263,900 3.33 Michigan 5,257,381 3.320 Northwestern 2,684,300
1.723 Mississippi State 2,607,429 1.624 Mississippi 2,536,750 1.525 Arkansas 2,485,000 1.526 Texas 2,408,778 1.527 Oregon 2,372,350
1.528 North Carolina 2,244,500 1.529 UCLA 2,235,650 1.430 USC
2,205,000 1.431 Purdue 2,203,500 1.532 Iowa 2,171,250 1.455 Boise State 1,189,429 0.856 San Diego State 1,134,250 0.757 BYU
1,129,444 0.7 What? I thought BYU has a "world-wide" brand?
Source: College Football TV Ratings for Teams and Conferences: 2013
@backpacnDon't kid yourself. A league comprised of the 32 best
programs would garner more revenue than the SEC, B1G, Big 12, ACC, and PAC 12
COMBINED.----------------How so? How does having less
inventory (aka games) and less product to sell, equals more revenues?On average, the P5 collects a combined $1.1 billion annually from their
network partners, and about $300 million from bowl games and NCAA tournament
seeds.Are you claiming that all 32 teams will play in bowl games and
play in the NCAA tournament? If not, then revenues have already decreased in
your scenario.Conferences with more schools have a financial
advantage thanks to a larger inventory to sell network partners and more teams
that are able to fight for bowl games and tournament seeds. With TV rights
generating the most revenues. That's why the Big 10 went after Rutgers for
the #1 TV market and not BYU.Will decrease of inventory (aka half
the game, bowls, seeding) be offset by increased TV revenues? You
need to provide data that shows TV revenues will increase significantly with
less inventory to make a 32 team NCAA division a reality. Otherwise you're
just whistling dixie.Source: ForbesThe Most Valuable
Conferences In College Sports 2014
@ backpacnCan't have 32 winners in a league. It's
impossible. Also, when I watch football I watch my team, local teams, and
compelling conf. match-ups in that order, because I have an interest those
games. I suspect that is true of most people. Sure I watch the big prime time
games (or flip back and forth to them), but only if it doesn't interfere
with another game that I care about. That is why I said fans would stop caring
about USC and LSU in another division. Fans care about their team first.If the best 32 teams split into their own division, that would leave 90
other college football programs in their own division. Collectively they carry
the majority of CFB fans, and in an ironic twist the "non-elite" league
would be the most popular and that's where the cash flow would eventually
twofer"I disagree about 32 teams being plausible. A league like
that simply wouldn't be able to compete with the NFL, since all of the good
players would simply opt to leave early and take the bigger money."Don't kid yourself. A league comprised of the 32 best programs would
garner more revenue than the SEC, B1G, Big 12, ACC, and PAC 12 COMBINED. And who
says they'd have to compete with the NFL. The NFL has absolutely no room
for any more players than they're already taking in every year."I don't see Utah and BYU fans, or anyone else for that matter,
tuning in to watch USC and LSU in a separate 32 team league."You're claiming you don't tune in every week to watch the best SEC,
Big 12 and B1G games, because that's exactly what you'd be watching
with a 32-team league comprised of the best 32 teams in the country, only
you'd be watching Alabama versus Oklahoma, Texas versus Ohio State, USC
versus Michigan, Florida versus UCLA... every week.
@ Mesa CougI disagree about 32 teams being plausible. A league like
that simply wouldn't be able to compete with the NFL, since all of the good
players would simply opt to leave early and take the bigger money. Not only
that, but most football fans cheer for an NFL team, even if there isn't one
in their own city. Even if they don't, they have a vested interest through
their fantasy team or survival league. The same isn't true for College
football. People tend to choose CFB teams due to regional proximity, being an
alumnus, or for other personal reasons such as religious affiliation. The 80
left over teams will have their own division, which is what the majority of the
fans will pay attention to. I don't see Utah and BYU fans, or anyone else
for that matter, tuning in to watch USC and LSU in a separate 32 team league.
Gotta luv these BYU haters who claim to know more about the facts related to the
NCAA's investigation of BYU than Tom Holmoe.Guaranteed if these
kids were actually forced to give details of who, what, when and where, they
wouldn't have a clue.
How is someone in Panguitch that is going to be paying higher taxes benefit from
tourism in SLC due to college football? Raise the price of the tickets or
increase the taxes in SLC on hotel rooms, rental cars, etc. Make those that
benefit pay the cost. The whole business of shifting costs to those who do not
have a choice is immoral.
Brave sir,Please tell all of us how you are privy to this "inside
information" regarding this matter that the Y or the NCAA have not detailed
@TwoDid I ever say there would only be 10-15 teams? No! 32 teams
however is very plausible. It would get rid of the dead weight and the teams in
the lower half would become self-sufficient because the slices of the pie would
get bigger for the remaining teams.And I am not suggesting that AZ
voters pass an initiative but I could see one easily passing. Arizonans do not
like their taxes raised. We fight it at every turn. If it came to raising
taxes to support a semi-pro sports at the colleges, I could definitely see a
measure on the ballot. Just stating facts.
BYU will be just fine with the NCAA. They have greatrespect as being a clean
institution.Sorry to burst your bubble chrissy.
@ Mesa CougThe PAC-12 gets the revenue and recognition they do
because of all 12 schools. USC, Oregon, and UCLA are the big names right now,
but collectively the other nine teams have more fans and, more importantly, more
voting power. The collective whole is what makes it work. Nobody is going to
watch, or care, if there are only 10-15 P5 teams. I have faith that Larry Scott
and the Ads understand that.Also, trying to prevent tax payer
dollars from going to university athletics is short sighted and (in the case of
BYU fans) petty. I can't speak for Arizona, but the State of Utah makes
money due to the tourism boost from visiting football fans. It would be foolish
to cut off that revenue stream.
Who uses the term "big boy", especially to decribe themselves. Sounds
like someone just graduated to the sippy cup.A couple of points.
First, once the P5 seperate themselve from the rest. What is to stop them from
starting to weed out the week, unprofitable teams in the P5? I couls see the
current 65 teams quickly becoming half that size.Second, in Arizona
any group getting enough signatures can put an inititive on the ballot. If ASU
and U of A sports are requiring more and more tax payer money to support college
athletes in the new model. I can see the voters passing a law requiring state
sponsored college sports to be self sufficient. These initiative cannot be over
turned by the state legislature either. This then could require schools not
compete in an arms race relying on taxpayers to foot the bill. I wouldn't
be suprised if other states have similar voter processes in place.
@ GandalphI think there is zero percent chance BYU gets the death
penalty. Zero. I never once suggested that it was a possibility. But BYU fans
seem desperate to be the victim, so if that's how you want to take it then
so be it.Nobody knows what the penalty will be, but I would not be
shocked if it was more than a slap on the wrist. That being said, I
wouldn't be shocked if it did to turn out to just be a slap on the wrist.
We'll all just have to wait and see.
timid sparrow"Um, it was reported in the Deseret News back when
the story surfaced."You mean the same Deseret News that you
labeled the "BYU lapdog media".Come on sparrow; at least try
to be consistent with your labels.How you ever known the media to be
wrong about the "facts" of a story?
twoferYou're not fooling anybody.Even hinting that
the death penalty was in play, a sanction so crippling that the NCAA has only
used it once, was ludicrous, especially for a few minor violations that warrant
nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
This kind of behavior would never happen in the PAC12.
“Utah just totally lucked out in getting in the Pac-12 . . . It’s
almost like Ringo joining the Beatles.” MacNasty:Yep, you make your own luck. So as a Ute fan I'll take the comparison to
Ringo every time! After all, in the wake of the Beatles break-up he was the
first of the 4 to record a solo No. 1 hit.
@CordonBleu"And you know this how?Are you privy to
the confidential communications between BYU and the NCAA?"Um, it
was reported in the Deseret News back when the story surfaced. Sorry to break
it to you, but it goes much deeper than socks....and BYU's own newspaper
Hey Chris B.You left out the part Chris Dufresne said about Utah in
the same article you referenced. Ant I quote:“Utah just
totally lucked out in getting in the Pac-12. You talk about hitting the
lottery,” Dufrense said. “Utah for no other reason than it was
standing there walks into this sweet (deal). It’s almost like Ringo
joining the Beatles.” He recognizes that Utah did not deserve
a spot in the PAC and was picked merely as a place holder. "Lucked out"
is an understatement at best.Bottom line is Chris that Utah has had
only two good seasons in what, the last 40 years, has been in the final rankings
like what, 5 times ever, and in the 38 years of being in the WAC only won the
championship twice! Utah did hardly anything when it had a "WAC"
schedule and it sure is not doing anything now.
christyIt's laughable that your laughing about potential rather
than results.You're assuming that Utah, by having better access
to the playoffs, will actually be invited to the playoffs.You're also assuming that BYU, by having more restrictive access to the
playoffs, will never be invited to the playoffs.Neither scenario may
be accurate.Sports history is literally filled with examples of
teams and individuals with great potential that failed to take advantage of that
potential.Sports history is also filled with underdogs with much
less perceived potential succeeding far beyond what most fans thought was
possible.Utah, so far, has been on the first track - nothing to brag
(or LOL) about.BYU has already been on the second track once, and
there's no reason to believe that they couldn't repeat that success
under a new format - nothing to brag about, yet.Utah is currently in
a better position than BYU, but that doesn't guarantee that Utah will be
2Fer - Ya, I agree with you about the death penalty. I also don't think
Travis Wilson will get the death penalty in his underage drinking citation.I know, silly of either of us to even mention death penalty in this
conversation.Chris B. says Interesting - care to share their name?
Its so very telling you didn't! Why don't you share your source and we
can evaluate their credibility.Also interesting coming from you
since you've been spilling that "sources" have been telling you who
the starter would be at QB, etc. Funny thing, you didn't mention any names
behind your rumors either.
Flinchy,I think your wording just over dramatized it. Imagine if a
BYU fan had written "I don't think Utah will get the death penalty"
in response to another article here in the Deseret News that mentions Utah broke
some rules including placing Pac 12 stickers on letters when they shouldn't
have. For all the talk from Utah "fans" about how certain
they were there was major and widespread corruption, it sure seems to be
trending the exact opposite way in terms of how serious these violations were.
It will probably be a lot closer to improper sticker placement than what some
"fans" were claiming 2 months ago. So ya, I don't
think BYU will get the death penalty. Just like I don't think u of u will
for being a little too sticker happy.
trueblue,If you're capable of an honest response, please tell
me the name of one mid major who would rather be a mid major rather than be
invited to a big boy conference.Can you tell me even one mid major
who would tell a big boy conference "no thanks" if they were invited?Nope! At least not if you're honest. And that tells
us about how byU and Utah should feel about the future of their programs!
@ GandalphTalk about blowing this out of proportion. My opening
statement was me saying that the NCAA ruling will not be very severe. "I
don't think BYU will get the death penalty or anything". I don't
know if it's a reading comprehension problem or what, but the hyperbole is
I also think that the coming years are going to bring big changes in the college
sports landscape. If the US Congress could shake things up they way they did
years ago with Title IX, what makes you think they can't and won't
enact law to try to impose equality again? Those that say that the
P5 conferences as presently constituted are in the driver's seat will
likely be the most surprised when the earthquake happens. I personally expect
that five years from now conference alignments and structures won't look
anything like they do today. And if that's true, BYU is in a pretty good
place being independent until that happens, assuming they keep winning.
timid sparrow"Despite what the BYU lapdog media is telling you,
there is more to this than free socks."And you know this how?Are you privy to the confidential communications between BYU and the
NCAA?It is minor and BYU didn't force Busby out.Just because you're desperately hoping it will turn out to be something
"serious", doesn't make your BYU hating fantasies, reality.
Utah appears to be in over their heads as far as winning.BYU appears
to have a tougher task at impressing the committee while they're
winning.As far as long-term stability in college football, forget
it.Whose to say that when the current television contracts expire,
USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Washington, Oregon, Texas, Texas Tech,
Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State won't decide to split from the pack and form
their own power conference leaving Utah and the other PAC 12 bottom dwellers to
fend for themselves.btw, why do childishly change the capitalization
of "BYU"? That's so second grade.
Chris B"Right, we don't know how BYU will fit into the
future of college football. But we do know that Utah is in a very very good
position and BYU is in a very very bad position."Correction: - Utah appears to currently be in a very good position as far as access
to the playoffs; that doesn't mean Utah is in a better position to actually
be invited to the playoffs.- BYU appears to be a very bad position
as far as access to the playoffs; that doesn't mean BYU isn't in a
better position to actually be invited to the playoffs.In both
cases, it comes down to winning games and impressing the selection committee.
@RepresentBlue"A lot of members of the local media are going to
have egg on their faces when this ends up being a minor offense at
worst."What makes you think this is the case? Despite what the
BYU lapdog media is telling you, there is more to this than free socks. Players
had their rent paid by the program itself (not just boosters). So no longer is
it a "lack of institutional control"....now we are in the realm of the
program itself providing impermissible benefits. That right there is enough to
get a non-P5 school on postseason probation and scholarships withheld.And if this was such a minor deal, BYU wouldn't have forced Busby out,
and he wouldn't be hiding from the media.
TrueBlue,Right, we don't know how byU will fit into the future
of college football. But we do know that Utah is in a very very good position
and byU is in a very very bad position.LOLThere
isn't a single mid major that wouldn't trade positions with any big
boy team right now!That says all we need to know.
CB"I could be wrong about BYU. I don’t know yet where they
fit into the new scheme," said Chris Dufresne of the Los Angeles Times. "There seems to be a clear divide between the Power 5 and the
(other) group of five, and BYU is sort of straddling in the middle. Notre Dame
is always going to be OK."I know that you're desperately
hoping for the demise of BYU sports, but the truth is, nobody knows exactly how
this is going to play out.btw, since the "majors" have
become "P5s", by default, "mid-majors" have become
"non-P5s".Try to keep up.
After the NCAA pretty much gave the P5 carte blanche authority it would be
really hypocritical if they came down hard on BYU for relatively minor
taylormade, "Heard a media member interviewed back east today
that stated that he is more than certain that the Y will in some way be included
in the new major college football landscape within 4 years "Interesting - care to share their name? Its so very telling you didn't!
Why don't you share your source and we can evaluate their credibility.Here is yet ANOTHER person stating byu is in trouble. From KSL "BYU
football could be in long term trouble" And within that article here is
this gem:“I could be wrong about BYU. I don’t know yet
where they fit into the new scheme,” said Chris Dufresne of the Los
Angeles Times. “There seems to be a clear divide between the
Power 5 and the (other) group of five, and BYU is sort of straddling in the
middle. Notre Dame is always going to be OK.”Ouch! Bad time
to be a mid major like byu and Wyoming!
As much as I can't stand many of the Utah haters on these threads, I really
hope BYU get's though this unscathed. I will be suprised if it's
nothing more than very minor penalties; and I hope that's the case.
Sometimes I think someone should investigate the NCAA.
taylormade1Springville, UT"Heard a media member
interviewed back east today that stated that he is more than certain that the Y
will in some way be included in the new major college football landscape within
4 years. Now that's something to talk about !" Well,
let's see, taylormade1...it won't be the Pac-12, the ACC, or the SEC.
That leaves the Big-10 and the Big-12. The Big-12 directly addressed the byu
question and I'm not sure that the Big10 has any interest whatsoever. Any
media member can say anything. So, taylormade1, where is the invitation for byu
to be "included in the new major college football landscape," going to
come from? Given the current conversation, it would be prudent to
question the credibility of the source before you engage in too much talk.
2fer"I don't think BYU will get the death
penalty..."Trust a Utah fan to blow this completely out of
proportion - expecting the death penalty for jay walking - sheesh!What next, life in prison, for a parking ticket?
@ taylormade1I said "I don't think BYU will get the death
penalty or anything", which means that I do not think it'll be serious.
However I would not be surprised if it turns out to be a little more serious
than BYU fans are hoping it will be.As for BYU being included,
we'll see. Nobody knows what's going to happen, but their time is
Two for flinching,You are absolutely hilarious even bringing up the
"death penalty"!have you even been following this story from the start ?
A slap on the hands at the very most which is exactly what you are going to see
is not even in the same time zone as what you are referring to.anyways
here's some better news to help make your day. Heard a media member
interviewed back east today that stated that he is more than certain that the Y
will in some way be included in the new major college football landscape within
4 years . Now that's something to talk about !
Too many cougar fans on the editorial board tonight...Good
night...Enjoy posting all the sugar coated news
It'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't think BYU will get
the death penalty or anything, but I think it's clear that this is about
more than just socks.
Good news for BYU; devastating news for the BYU haters.
As expected, there were no "major violations", as some on the hill were
so desperately hoping.After all of the media frenzy, this will turn
out to be nothing more than some minor violations penalized by a slap on the
wrist or some very minor penalties.
I had never heard Duane Bussy's name before this came out. From all the
coaches and players who were associated with him, he seems to be a man with a
big heart and a sterling character. Unfortunate it is that this surfaced as he
left the "Y". This whole thing may or may not have anything to do with
him. Nevertheless, I know that BYU did all that they were asked. Whatever it
was, I personally think it was minor.The whole school, professors,
coaches, etc., live by the Honor Code, not just the athletes and students. I am
proud to be an alumni of this great school. In all these years, they still hold
themselves to higher standards than most universities.Go Cougars!
A lot of members of the local media are going to have egg on their faces when
this ends up being a minor offense at worst.