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  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    As far as the stats go those are impressive accomplishments by Mendenhall and BYU. Mendenhall is a good coach and the right guy for BYU, IMO. Comparing BYU and Utah stats is completely irrelevant. That may have been an effective measuring stick 4 years ago when both teams competed against the same teams, but is now inaccurate.

    In it's current situation BYU, and it's fans, will likely never have to worry whether their team qualifies for a bowl or has X amount of 10+ win seasons. Not the case for Utes. And I wouldn't have it any other way. I've been a season ticket holder for many years and these past few have been some of the most exciting, even with losing seasons. Much more fun watching my team match up against the elite even though the result is usually a L.

    Congrats on another ten win season and bowl game. Be sure to cheer extra loud for me against the mighty Tigers of Savannah State on senior day!

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    @ Fax

    The Holy War is becoming less and less competitive. Proof:

    2011: Complete meltdown. Never have I seen a team so flustered and eventually give up.

    2012 : BYU is ranked in the top 25 and the Utes had just come off a heartbreaking loss to the Aggies. Not to mention the team has lost it's starting QB. Yet Utah STILL beats BYU and if it hadn't been for blown coverage on 4th and forever the game would have been a lot uglier.

    2013: BYU destroys Texas and has a bye week to prepare for the Utes. Plus the game is in LES. Utah loses a heartbreaker to Oregon State. As a Ute I thought for sure we were in trouble. Still BYU loses.

    Utah finds a way to win. Period. BYU fails to capitalize on golden opportunities to win. I'm seeing a trend.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2014 7:09 a.m.

    redthunder

    Actually 14 of the last 17 games being decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime defines the "direction of the rivalry", which is, extremely competitive, with the Utes managing to win a slight 8 to 6 majority of those 14 games that could have easily gone the other way.

    What is says about BYU is that even with a few tough losses to Utah, BYU has still been able to have more ranked, bowl qualifying seasons and win more conference championships during the Bronco/Kyle era, than Utah.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 9
    Kyle 7

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 3:39 p.m.

    @ SportsFan

    Not even sure what to say to the first part of that response. Are you even aware of the discrepancy between the two team's schedules? I guess under that logic Utah should bolt for the Big Sky. Undefeated seasons every year. Utes would be even better than Bama!

    You're absolutely right about the second part. Those victories don't define the season. No one ever said they did. However, 9 out of 12 sure defines the direction of the rivalry wouldn't you say?

    Okay, so if you is in the cellar, which they aren't, what does it say about the Y?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    redthunder

    It's simple:

    BYU will be playing in their 10th straight bowl game come bowl week 2014.
    Utah will be playing in their 3rd straight couch potato bowl.

    One 1-, 3- or 7-point victory does not a season define.

    Utah hasn't had a winning conference season since joining the PAC 12 - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18 overall; that's as cellar dweller as it gets. Just because you have company doesn't mean you're not still in the cellar.

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    For the life of me I cannot understand some Cougar fans' logic. Maybe someone on this board can help me out.

    A few Cougar fans love to talk about Utah as the "cellar dweller" that they aren't or commonly refer to the conference as the Pac 10.2 or 11.5 or whatever else fits. Cal and Colorado have assumed those roles nicely. Utah has never once been the worst team in the Pac. You guys just don't do your research or what? And if Utah is such a "cellar dweller" what does it say about a team like BYU that year after year is incapable of beating such a team and in the not so distant past was absolutely been pounded by said team on it's own turf?

    It's all very contradicting and confusing. Maybe someone can help a poor, confused man.

    Congrats on the UW arrangement.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    The only thing "fraudulent" about 1984 is the jealous whining of the kids on the hill that BYU accomplished something that their perennially mediocre program could never accomplish in their wildest dreams.

    Unlike BYU, which won a consensus national championship, #1 in both major polls, Washington's championship was a shared championship - the Huskies only finished #1 in one poll.

    The idea that the P5s will ever adopt an all P5 vs P5 schedule is ludicrous. Too many of the big boys like the idea of having 7 homes games, which would be impossible with an all P5 schedule, unless P5 bottom feeders like Utah were willing to play 7 road games.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Aug. 24, 2014 7:39 p.m.

    Great series for BYU. From what I understand BYU can choose to not take the money and teams who have contracts would need to fulfill them just like any other contract. BYU has been nice enough to let people out of contracts in the past. As far as the 2 for 1 with Utah.... Never going to happen. If Utah chooses to push for that then the series can die.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 23, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    Who cares what happened after your fraudulent 84' title. Washington won the title a few years later.
    Utah is an a P5 Conference, you are not.
    BYU struggles to fill out its schedule. Utah only needs to fill up 3 slots every season.

    We have yet to see how the new playoff format will work. BYU fans should be very cautious. You just might see future agreements with schools go bye bye and cancelled. We already know some P5 conferences regard you as mid-major and not worth the time. The PAC-12 could always change it mind and follow the other conferences.

    ---------

    Striker
    Omaha, NE
    Great series with a REAL PAC team! However, I disagree that Washington will be great under Chris until he proves it. Some coaches go to bigger schools and fail miserably. Washington has had a lot of coaches over the last few years so we'll see if Chris is even there still when BYU plays them.

    Favorite BYU-Washington moment: BYU is the clear and obvious winner of the NC and Washington says they would destroy BYU given the chance. BYU pastes the tar out of them the next year 31-3. Best silencer ever!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    @ Surf is Up

    The rivalry is still alive, and BYU is a prominent local team so obviously there is interest in what happens in Provo. However, if Utah loses to BYU, nothing happens. In fact, Utah could lose all three non-conf. games and they would still be eligible to play in the Rose Bowl, or any other PAC-12 bowl tie-in for that matter. Conf. games are by far the most important regular season games, and I think you know that.

    Also, I think you are way off the mark with your accusation of my "pressing, urgent need." When Utah starts winning, they will be relevant on the national scene again, until then I'm going to continue cheering for my alma mater while we build to the level we need to be. I don't care if you think Utah is relevant or not.

  • Wild Blue Abilene, TX
    Aug. 22, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    Two For Flinching
    "Also, just so there is no misunderstanding, BYU is, at best, Utah's 10th most important game.

    Is that why you rushed the field three times in one game?

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching "...blah blah blah.....BYU is, at best, Utah's 10th most important game."

    Keep telling yourself that. Apparently even you don't believe that. It explains a great deal as to why you are one of the most incessant posters to articles about BYU. You have this pressing, urgent need for somebody, anybody, even yourself to believe that utes are relevant. In their conference, or on the national stage.

    Not really.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Some hilarity from the ESPN pac12 blog by Ted Miller talking about conference "winners" and "losers" from expansion.

    "That judgment? Things worked out well for the SEC and Big Ten. Not so much for the Pac-12 and Big 12...The Pac-12? It raided the Big 12 for Colorado, which went 5-7 and 2-6 in 2010, and the Mountain West for Utah, which went 10-3, 7-1 that year. Neither has matched its 2010 records in the Pac-12 nor posted a winning record in conference play. The Buffaloes have gone a meager 4-23 against Pac-12 foes, while the Utes have gone from 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7 in conference games....gaining ground on the SEC, and the Big Ten has stagnated by comparison...or even grouse about poor-to-middling results from the new members, it's fair to say the short-term gain in terms of assets on Saturdays has been slight...As assets, Colorado and Utah don't attract national eyeballs...here's a guess that the folks most eager for the Buffs and Utes to help the Pac-12 feel good about its expansion choices are the fans, administrators, players and coaches associated with both programs.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    @wer

    The way these work with pac12 teams is that BYU is helping to fill a scheduling gap created by the Stanford/USC games with Notre Dame. That creates certain scheduling gaps for all of the other pac12 teams based on whether or not they play USC or Stanford in that same year and when their games with Notre Dame fall in the schedule (usually later in the season). So the gap is created by that game and BYU fills the gap that year then gets the return trip from the pac12 team in a later year because the previous years schedules are already in place.

    It has very little to do with who gets the first home game other than that and frankly who gets the first home game really doesn't matter. You utah "fans" are trying to manufacture an issue that doesn't exist and trying to say all of these schools are going to cancel the return trip to BYU which of course they aren't because these games fill a shceduling need for them both.

    It really is a stupid "point" utah "fans" are trying, and failing, to make.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    wer:
    "As always, BYU plays the first game away..."

    Washington also scheduled a home and home versus Michigan with the first game being away for Michigan, in Seattle. I guess Michigan should feel dissed and slighted too? Doesn't matter if it starts home or away, unless you're a ute fan trying desperately to spin this in favor of the crimson-goggled philosophy that BYU isn't respected enough to get home and homes with good P5s.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:23 a.m.

    As always, BYU plays the first game away...

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    Reality check for BYU and Utah. Neither team has proven anything the last few years! In addition, in order for each team to make a statement both natural rivals(if they are going to remain viable rivals) need to be strong programs. As examples Oklahoma-Texas, Alabama-Auburn, Florida-Florida State-Miami. Georgia-Florida, Alabama-LSU, Ohio State-Michigan, Notre Dame- USC, Notre Dame- Stanford, USC-UCLA etc.... Both BYU and Utah are in a rut! Also, not playing each other costs both teams as well in that a plane flight is needed vs a bus ride! Keeping perspective helps as well. Utah has two BSC bowl victories. To build tradition Utah and BYU need to start winning against major competition whether in a conference or not. For example: Oklahoma;7 National Championships and 31 major bowl appearances! Notre dame 9 National Championships! Home and Home series are built through respect and TV audience as well as seats sold. A stronger Utah helps BYU asd does a stronger BYU help Utah giving each team another ranked opponent! Both teams need each other as does USU.
    Lastly beating the P5 senario is easy: A non P5 school needs to win the 4 team playoff! Soon!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:58 p.m.

    @ Surf is Up

    "They don't make the mistake of establishing one game as the foundation of the entire campaign."

    Neither does Utah; they have just been the better team lately. BYU moves on from the loss to playing mid-level mid majors and usually an FCS team. Utah moves on from the win and lines up against the likes of Stanford, Oregon, USC, ASU, etc. Not really an apples to apples comparison. Also, just so there is no misunderstanding, BYU is, at best, Utah's 10th most important game.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    @ sammyg

    I do know that. However, I hope you are reasonable enough to agree that a BYU fan calling out Utah for scheduling a weak opponent is nothing short of ridiculous. Just realize that any scheduling criticism from BYU is launched from inside a glass house.

    If it were up to me, Utah and BYU would have moved to the PAC-12 together and the rivalry would have continued without missing a beat. Unfortunately, that's not how it played out and Utah is in a tough spot because it only has three non-conf. games. Playing 8 games inside the state every year is not great for recruiting. In a perfect world, Utah would be able to play the Cougs and U-State every year, but that just isn't a realistic expectation with the current landscape of CFB.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:28 p.m.

    2fer

    "Also, if you want to mock Utah for scheduling a gimme win against ISU, lets not forget the games BYU scheduled against Idaho (twice), Hawaii (twice), New Mexico St (twice)., San Jose St. (twice), MTSU (twice), Idaho St. (twice), Weber St., UVA (twice), UCONN, UNLV, and Savannah St."

    In the first three years of independence BYU had few options for scheduling in the short term. You knew that. Your criticism has zero merit.

    BYU will play independent football and improve its schedule as it can despite all the naysaying from the peanut gallery. Holmoe is delivering on his promise.

    What have the Utes done lately? Broken tradition, alienated itself from long time rivalries, and continues to shrink in stature in the state.

    Way to represent.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    I like reading the banter between the two fan bases. I am one fan that will give the Utes their due for owning the Cougars lately. However, (I know) anyone who is connected to reality knows who the alpha male (or filet mignon) program in the state of Utah is. It is down in Provo and once Ute fans come to grips with it, they can be comfortable as bottom dwellers in the Pac-12 without invading BYU article comment pages.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    well said surf is up,very well said !

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    @10CC ".....blah blah..Utah has owned BYU, but we've struggled in the PAC. How would you possibly do better? "

    Answer: BYU coaches and players realized that the game against utah is just one game in the season. They don't make the mistake of establishing one game as the foundation of the entire campaign. As a result they move on from a usually very slim loss to the mighty ewe, and have a good season. utah doesn't.

    But U guys feel that a very narrow victory in the one game is the watermark of a good year regardless of the fact that the ute lockers are all cleaned out during bowl season.

    Now that is good comedy.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    ekute&81ute,
    I would love to see a schedule year in and year out without the u on it.Instead seeing teams such as Texas,Oklahoma,Notre Dame,Wisconsin,Michigan, Nebraska,Florida State, Central Florida,Texas A&M ,etc... and of course upper tier teams from the Pac12 as well as Boise State(nope, the Y is not afraid to schedule these guys). Then schedule 1 instate team a year and that would be Utah State for the time being with their up and coming football program.I am pretty sure i do not stand alone on this idea.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    ek, I'm guessing BYU has never made scheduling demands on Dr. Hill. A 'fan' saying something about it here doesn't make it so. Putting credibility in a fan's so called 'demand' here is equivalent to Chris B endlessly clamoring a 2 for 1 from Dr. Hill on BYU - in this lifetime...also something that utah will never be in a position to do, their position annually near the bottom of the PAC notwithstanding.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    Christine B. Hedgefog,

    Doesn't matter, byu will never be in a position to make scheduling demands on Utah.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    SpokaneUte - See how easy it is to give the other team credit when they beat you?

    I think the comment was referring to all the disrespect before and during the first half of the NIT game that Ute fans were spewing towards St. Mary's and the WCC in general. You can go back and reference those 'in game' comments if you need a refresher. The tone of Ute 'fan' comments changed 180 degrees from the 1st half to the end of the game and for several days afterwards.

    I'm pretty sure that when the bare bottom spanking of the utes was complete in the 2nd half it wasn't near as easy to swallow and give credit for as you are depicting it to be.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    ek, pretty good bet that if/when the kids from the hill go 0-12 Dr. Hill won't be there to make demands on anyway.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    taylormade1,

    Not even if the Utes went 0-12 would mr. holmoe be in a position to make demands on Dr. Hill.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    Was at Husky Stadium the last time the Blue Cougs showed up and beat the Huskies. I plan on being at the next one. I like Chris Peterson. Makes it harder to dislike the Dawgs now.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    Argo,
    Here is a perfect example of what i am suggesting using your team the U as an example.A couple of years ago the U canceled their upcoming scheduled games with "mid-major" Boise State.Now why to you honestly think that this was an easy decision to make ? Let me answer that point blank for you, because Boise state has owned Utah in that series history.I think they have like a 4-5 win streak going against the u and most of those games have not even been close ! so you go ahead and use any spin on this you want but that is the stone cold truth.I am admitting that the U has had the upper hand on the Y the last several years for whatever the reason.I am just stating that the Y would get no more credit in the national media eyes by beating the U than they will if they beat Cal. this year.you have nothing to gain by beating bottom feeders but everything to lose if you get beat by them.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    10CC-- I don't really see a BYU "superiority" attitude as I do one of loyal fans defending their team against constant condescending attacks from an old rival's fans who still can't seem to move on in spite of claims they have.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    @Marked it Down

    Are you serious? Had they won 2010,2012,2013... Here is a woulda,shoulda,coulda for ya'. In 2011 had byu scored 6 more touchdowns with pats, you still would have lost! However, if there were 7 more touchdowns and pats, byu would have won! Then you could have a streak of 4 in a row 10,11,12,13; but that one belongs to the Utes.

  • Sendero1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    @10CC

    Good luck trying to group Utah with TCU. In reality, they are diverging programs.

    Both did go through growing pains, but TCU's recruiting hung steadily in the 30s and low 40s nationally, and they are mid-level performers that will likely break into the Big 12 upper division this year.

    Utah's piteously short Pac12 recruiting honeymoon ended two seasons ago after their recruiting peaked in the upper 30s for their best class. Since then, your recruiting has gone on life support, cratering last year into the high 60s, finishing worse than BYU per the 247 composite listing. You are currently running below BYU for 2015 (YTD commitments) as well, at #67 (BYU is #62), and you have been shut out of the state's Top-5 recruits, as have we. That does not spell "breakout" for Utah anytime soon, and any similarity between your program and TCU will vanish by year-end.

    And, please, don't blame it on the schedule. One can't consistently recruit in the 60s and play in the Top-25. That's the same tune we played until we (finally) started to recruit a little bit last year. No one's going anywhere without talent on the sidelines.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    @taylormade1

    Please push that idea. Begin a petition and get thousands of like minded byu fans to sign it. But instead of waiting until Utah proves they are worthy, demand that there is never again any sporting competition between Utah and BYU. We, the drunken slobs on the hill, are not worthy competition for byu. When there are no more games between the two schools then you can thump your chests and self aggrandize the superiority of byu. The results of competitions would not get in the way of your fallacy.

    As for me, I am looking forward to the day when Utah never plays byu again and that day is coming.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    We can take it. Saint Mary's beat us fair and square. See how easy it is to give the other taem credit when they beat you? You might want to give it a try some time.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    twofer

    "Utah's schedule blows BYU away, and it's not close."

    Unfortunately for U, Utah's record versus schedule doesn't blow anybody away.

    BYU's 8-5 record and bowl game versus the #38 SOS
    blows away
    Utah's 5-7 record and no bowl game versus a Top 10 SOS

    btw, along with the AP and Coaches polls, Sagarin also has #35 BYU ranked well ahead of #48 Utah in his preseason rankings. Sagarin also has BYU ranked ahead of #39 TCU.

    We know that its a bitter pill to swallow, but becoming a P5 bottom dweller, hasn't impressed anybody in the national media.

    Keep beating your chests about a few narrow head-to-head victories over BYU if that helps you sleep at night, but even that's about to change. As many Utah fans have stated, things are cyclical. Utah's recent advantage in winning 8 of the 14 extremely close games in the past 17 years will swing back in BYU's favor.

    You do realize, don't you, that if BYU had won the 1-, 3-, and 7-point games in 2010, 2012, and 2013, that Bronco would currently hold a 6-3 advantage over Kyle, and BYU would hold a 9-8 advantage over Utah during the last 17 years.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    ekute

    It's hilarious how Utah fans scream in panic and run to the blogs to perform damage control every time BYU makes a scheduling announcement.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    ArgoFY

    BYU has been subsidizing Utah football for decades.

    Nearly every sellout in RES from the mid-70s to the mid-2000's was directly attributable to BYU fans flocking to RES to watch their Cougars.

    The Lion's share of bowl revenue that Utah received from the mid-70's to the mid-90's was directly attributable to BYU's perennial bowl partipation.

    And don't kid yourself about Utah's bcs bonanza. By the time Utah's bcs money was distributed amongst all of the mid-majors (yes, the MWC had to share with C-USA and others), the amount that BYU received was a meer pitance, far less than BYU receives for one game in LES.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    @Tom

    Your home town Cal Bears are the true bottom dweller; dead last in the PAC 12. Nice try though.

    Again, nice job of scheduling by BYU; the last time they came to Seattle made for a very interesting contest. Ref: Jake Locker spikes the ball.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    "Cougar fans are glad to see Washington on the schedule, but what you mistake for "chest beating" is actually BYU fans rubbing it in to the faces of those Ute fans who claimed that BYU couldn't get home and home series with PAC teams (even stating that Utah is above home and homes with BYU)."

    Well said.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:14 a.m.

    taylormade 1:

    I for once actually mostly agree with what you said. There is too much to lose when byu plays Utah. ..well...because byu keeps losing to Utah every time they play.

    byu should also buy out the remaining games with Utah. At least that would be a start to repay Utah for all of the BCS money the Utes earned for byu over the past decade (can't thank byu for returning the BCS favor).

    But then again, if byu were to buy out, they would have to do the same with TCU. But I'm pretty sure Holmoe and the cougs don't want to end up as a bug splat on the Horned Frog windshield again. byu already gets enough of that when the Utes are generous enough to squeeze them into their busy schedule.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:52 p.m.

    It's funny how the byu fans run out on the street and shoot off fireworks every time holmoe schedules a game.

    taylormade1,

    Look at your schedule without Utah on it.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    10CC: "Utah has gone 9-18 in the PAC. TCU has gone 6-12 in the Big-12 in their two years in that league. BYU has gone 4-10 vs P5 competition since 2011, while not having to play a P5 conference schedule. They had every reason to beat those P5 teams, but mostly didn't."

    You have used good logic on this article, but this comment has one glaring omission, something you didn't consider: BYU has not had the advantage that TCU and Utah have in the recruiting realm. Give us a couple years in the week to week grind as a P5 with that kind of recruiting power and we'll surprise you. We start to maybe get those 5 or 6 LDS stand-outs (even pre-mission) that have been enticed away by the glory of "big time football". We would probably hold our own. Who knows really? You or I don't, for sure.

    Go BYU.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    I realize critics of BYU will be critics no matter what... but, logical people must look at anything they judge and say, "compared to what?" BYU's schedule now is much better than most of the years in the WAC and then MWC. That's a fact.

    Would BYU love to get into a Power 5 conference? Of course, but not at all costs. Where there are is good, but a P5 with reasonable condition would be better.

    Is Utah better off being in the PAC 12? I agree that it is more fun to have the schedule they have now rather than the boring games with Wyo, CSU, UNLV, etc. although Utah lost a bunch of those games. But what dynamic is gothe U to allow them to attract the kind of talent needed? I love the state of Utah, but a kid of Cali is going to first look at USC, UCLA, and Stanford, and maybe soon CAL. Or Oregon or OSU or the Washingtons.

    So chill out critics and deal with these realities. I hope both schools keep making improvements but I suspect BYU has the better chance to improve in that it's a destination school.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Chris B's philosophy is that P5 teams are too good for mid-majors to schedule a home-and-home. They have to schedule a 2-for-1.

    Interesting that utah's series with NIU, San Jose State and Fresno State directly contradict this.

    Also interesting that BYU's series with utah, UCLA and Washington directly contradict it as well.

    There are plenty of 2-for-1 deals out there.

    But to say that is how things always go between a P5 and non-P5 is ridiculous.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    "We've seen this show before: BYU schedules a "one-and-one" to save face, the first game is played at the P5 school, and they quietly buy out the return trip".

    Please give me an example of this. We have played one-and-done's before, like last year against Wisconsin, but that was the plan from the start. Give me a time where it was a home-and-home where the game in Provo was bought out.

    As for the Notre Dame thing, I never found any announcement that the deal is off. There is news that the deal is in jeopardy, but that's it.

    Show me where to go to see if the Notre Dame thing is true. And even if it is, give me an example of a home-and-home buyout in the past.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    "LOL at all of the chest beating about scheduling a Pac12 team!

    You guys are adorable."

    Cougar fans are glad to see Washington on the schedule, but what you mistake for "chest beating" is actually BYU fans rubbing it in to the faces of those Ute fans who claimed that BYU couldn't get home and home series with PAC teams (even stating that Utah is above home and homes with BYU).

    Kind of like when Ute fans were talking trash about WCC teams in the NIT last year. They certainly can dish it out but they can't take it.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    10CC

    Who cares what TCU has done since joining the Big 12.

    The same Texas team that was stomped by BYU 40-21, destroyed TCU 30-7.

    Either BYU has gotten a whole lot better as an Independent, or TCU has gotten a whole lot worse as a P5.

    Unfortunately for U, it doesn't matter how tough your schedule is, if you can't beat anybody.

    Losing to good teams, especially during the regular season, doesn't mean anything.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:04 p.m.

    This is a very smart move by Holmoe to continue to schedule upper tier teams from the pac 12 to boost the Y,s SOS each year. I really think that it would be in the Y,s best interest to buy out the 2 upcoming scheduled games with the U and not schedule any more games with them until they can prove that they belong in the pac12. Too much to lose and really not to gain at the moment by playing them. That is just a fact .

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    @ taylormade1

    Yeah, who needs that pesky revenue boost, quality bowl tie-ins, and the security of knowing that you're on the inside of the CFB transformation? Don't kid yourself. You and the vast majority of BYU's fan base would trade independence for a spot in the PAC-12 or BIG-12 in a heartbeat.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    @ Mortoon

    Really? Utah's schedule blows BYU away, and it's not close.

    Also, if you want to mock Utah for scheduling a gimme win against ISU, lets not forget the games BYU scheduled against Idaho (twice), Hawaii (twice), New Mexico St (twice)., San Jose St. (twice), MTSU (twice), Idaho St. (twice), Weber St., UVA (twice), UCONN, UNLV, and Savannah St.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:32 p.m.

    This is more great news for cougar fans. The Y just keeps adding pac 11.5 teams without actually be a member of the conference. In addition they get to continue playing other teams from all across the nation for exposure instead of just playing in like a 2 state region every year . The Y is going to be just fine moving forward and you can mark that down !

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:16 p.m.

    Tommy:
    "Jealousy-filled" remark? LOL is right. How exactly does my ribbing Chris B back (who's comment was removed) represent jealousy in any form? How does calling out ute fans who "ad nauseum claim at every turn" that BYU can't get home and homes with good power 5 teams equal jealousy? There's nothing about Utah I'm jealous about...I can't speak for other BYU fans but Utah has nothing to cause me jealousy.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    LOL at all of the chest beating about scheduling a Pac12 team!

    You guys are adorable.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 20, 2014 7:35 p.m.

    Great series with a REAL PAC team! However, I disagree that Washington will be great under Chris until he proves it. Some coaches go to bigger schools and fail miserably. Washington has had a lot of coaches over the last few years so we'll see if Chris is even there still when BYU plays them.

    Favorite BYU-Washington moment: BYU is the clear and obvious winner of the NC and Washington says they would destroy BYU given the chance. BYU pastes the tar out of them the next year 31-3. Best silencer ever!

  • Mortoon Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 20, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    So we add Washington to the schedule and utah hunts out the likes of Idaho state for their optional games. Lol

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 6:49 p.m.

    TrueBlue:

    Don't ask Utah fans. Ask TCU fans...is playing week after week in a P5 conference more difficult than loading up against P5 teams a few times a year while they were in the MWC? (You remember TCU, the other team in the MWC that regularly owned once-mighty BYU).

    Utah has gone 9-18 in the PAC. TCU has gone 6-12 in the Big-12 in their two years in that league. BYU has gone 4-10 vs P5 competition since 2011, while not having to play a P5 conference schedule. They had every reason to beat those P5 teams, but mostly didn't.

    Utah fans have seen the PAC of 2011 get considerably tougher since bringing in a number of upper tier coaches. The PAC is considered by most knowledgeable observers to be the 2nd strongest conference, after the SEC.

    In the thinking of BYU fans, they're superior to the vast majority of schools because BYU has a superior "program", but when you talk about actual on-the-field results, BYU fans clam up.

    Utah has owned BYU, but we've struggled in the PAC.

    How would you possibly do better?

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 20, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    Something Utah could never have pulled off if they hadnt been sucked in by the Texas rejection vortex.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 6:31 p.m.

    spokane ute and red -

    Clarification:

    utah is the bottom dweller I was referring to.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    "BYU didn't beat any of those teams on the road. Your point is disingenuous."

    2 of the games mentioned were bowl games, so they while they technically weren't road games, they certainly weren't home games.

  • Sense Ogden, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    BYU now has enough Pac-12 games on the schedule to gain more Pac-12 wins than the Utes over the next 5 years!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 5:27 p.m.

    @ TrueBlue

    BYU didn't beat any of those teams on the road. Your point is disingenuous.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT
    What? A home and home? Didn't the Huskies get the memo the mighty utes and their pseudo AD Chris B are requesting a 2-1? Lol

    ------------

    Proof... that despite their ad nauseum claims at every turn that BYU fans never ever ever think much about the Utes, Utah is indeed living rent-free inside their heads.

    And don't come back with "I was just addressing the other Ute posters," because there wasn't a single mention of the Utes before you piped in with that little jealousy-filled remark.

    LOL

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    10CC

    "I would say BYU will find out PAC schools are no longer anything like the schools they used to beat in their glory days."

    Glory Days?

    As in, since 2006?

    You mean like the Oregon team BYU demolished 38-8 in 2006 or the Oregon State team BYU demolished 44-20 in 2009 or the Washington team BYU beat in 2010, all better than any PAC 12 team Utah has beaten on the road since joining the PAC 12.

    It's amazing how little Utah fans actually know about the team they're so obsessed with.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    My hunch is numerous PAC schools are looking at BYU the same way Utah is looking at Fresno this year: a better-than-average non-P5 school that helps prepare for the PAC-12 grind, or provides a break in the middle of the schedule. (Fresno went 10-2 last year, playing two P5 schools, by the way. Pretty good record.)

    The PAC has a nine game league schedule, so playing BYU doesn't really hurt their strength of schedule. The ACC and SEC only play 8 league games, so they're required to schedule an additional P5 team.

    BYU will either be very competitive, beating PAC schools the way Utah used to load up to play PAC schools, or the difference in tiers in college ball will start to become manifested, and BYU will lose most of their PAC matchups.

    Based on how much the PAC improved from Utah's first year (2011), and Utah's record against BYU the last 15 years, I would say BYU will find out PAC schools are no longer anything like the schools they used to beat in their glory days. It will become proof of the separation in college football.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    timid sparrow

    kinda like the 2-for-none Utah scheduled with Michigan - two in a row at Michigan, and then Michigan quietly buys out the return game to Utah after Michigan discovers that Utah plays in a crack box sized stadium

    gotta luv how our jealous little friends on the hill simply make stuff up in order to help themselves sleep at night

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 4:04 p.m.

    @Tom in CA

    byu does play Cal this year, I guess no prestige there?

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    So far BYU is averaging 4.75 games against Power conference oppenents (including Notre Dame) since going indie:

    2011 - 5 (Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, Oregon St, TCU)
    2012 - 5 (Washington St, Utah, Oregon St, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech)
    2013 - 6 (Virginia, Texas, Utah, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Notre Dame)
    2014 - 3 (Texas, Virginia, Cal)

    Admittedly, this season is light on Power conference opponents, but they are still above their average of 2 BCS opponents when they played in the MWC, and they have an infinitely better TV deal with most of their games now being played on ESPN.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin, where's your proof that ND bought out the series? I have seen nothing that says the series is dead. I have seen quotes that the Holmoe and Swarbick are talking and want the series to continue but I can't find one article that there is "other news".

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    Tom in CA

    Go ahead and mention the Cal Bears; it's OK.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    By 2018 Chris Peterson will have the Huskies flying pretty high and this will be a big game up in Seattle. Much more prestigious than playing a pac bottom dweller. We won't mention names.

    Good job Holmoe!!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Ah yes, another one-and-done disguised as a one-and-one. We've seen this show before: BYU schedules a "one-and-one" to save face, the first game is played at the P5 school, and they quietly buy out the return trip - thereby turning it into a de-facto one-and-done.

    In other news, today Notre Dame announced that they are buying out the Provo legs of that series, so BYU will play twice in South Bend but Notre Dame isn't coming to LES. So that one-and-one just became a two-and-done.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    Pretty good series. Chris Peterson must really love playing BYU.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    Spokane Ute
    Spokane, WA

    "Nicely done BYU. Washington also scheduled a home and home series with Michigan."

    Therefore, BYU = Michigan? Oh, stop, you're making me blush!

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:43 p.m.

    @Dutchman, Holmoe did not say that Notre Dame is not going to complete the series. As a matter of fact, he stated that he and the ND AD are talking on the phone and trying to figure out how to make the series happen. According to Jeff Call's report, "Holmoe said series with Notre Dame is in question right now, but is hoping things will work out."

    Yes, the series may be in "question" but it does not say it will not happen. They may work out a deal with only 2 of the 4 games or something similar. I think that Holmoe and Swarbick will work some magic and come up with something for both teams.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Very nice! Go Cougars.

    Where's @ChrisB for all this?

  • MN Doug Rochester, MN
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    Gosh we all wish you could play RB for BYU this year. It makes sense, what with your obsession with BYU. Also, as a player, when you refer to a football team as "we" or "us", it would actually make sense. Stay classy Chris.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    Nicely done BYU. Washington also scheduled a home and home series with Michigan.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    How can this be? I thought BYU football was going to cancelled at the end of this season.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    Solid series. BYU may not be playing 9-10 games per season against P5 opponents but they are playing more of them then they would if they had remained in the MWC, and they are playing them all over the country which gives their national fan base more opportunity to see them play in person. BYU is making the best of the situation they find themselves in and Tom Holmoe deserves a lot of praise for that.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    So, in 2019 BYU's home schedule includes Washington, Wisconsin, Boise State and USC so far. With away games at Virginia and Washington State it is looking like a good year! But, then time will tell, things can change a lot over a short time.

    I am pleasantly surprised that BYU has been able to schedule so many good teams as an independent, this year's relatively weaker schedule not withstanding. It is certainly better than if BYU had stayed with the Mountain (really a defunct molehill of a TV channel)!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Meanwhile, according to Holmoe today, Notre Dame is not going to complete their series of games with BYU. Only two were played, both in South Bend. Ouch!!

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    That is a good series to get. Chris Peterson is a great coach and has a quality program. This is a great series for both schools. Congrats BYU

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    What? A home and home? Didn't the Huskies get the memo the mighty utes and their pseudo AD Chris B are requesting a 2-1? Lol

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:37 p.m.

    Meanwhile, Utah fans get to enjoy home and homes with teams like Washington too. That's way cool!

    Go Utes!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    This will probably be totally awesome.

  • PAC 12 member by default! Harrisville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    Great news. Hope to see similar games in October and November. Thanks Tom.