Published: Tuesday, Aug. 19 2014 10:10 a.m. MDT
The more our government (with either political party in power) meddles and
micromanages every part of our lives, the more we will see books and movies
dealing with governments that micromanage people's lives.
Re: ""When you have a society [in which] General Electric gets away
without paying any taxes on their profits, and where [the government] has the
gall to take $15 billion of food stamps away . . . ."You mean
Hollywood believes Hunger Games is about a corporatist dystopia?Hmmmmmm.Sure smells like a much more common, much more likely
Orwellian leftist dystopia, to me.
The Hunger Games. Both times my wife and I have watched these movies we come
away saying the same things - there is a stark parallel to the direction the
United States is headed today and the Big Brother government that president Snow
has established in the Hunger Games. Of course this is Hollywood and not to be
taken too serious but it does strike a nerve or two. Consider the following in
the Hunger games...*the complete politically correct society they
live in. No one dare state the obvious ...at least not in public. *the
giant all-powerful federal government with zero rights give to the people*the rich fat cats who live at the top compared to the poverty amoung everyone
else*the constant spying by the federal government and the parinoia by the
peopleYou can't watch these movies without feeling queezy about
the state of the union today. I almost feel like I am watching the future of
America in about 75 years. The Hunger Games to me represents a
Communist society at its worst and politically aligns itself with the current
far left ideology of today.
Hollywood is far left politically so naturally they color their movie scripts
with all sorts of leftist propaganda from global warming to a socialist godless
society. The last movie I watched - and really liked - was Lone Survivor.
Probably the only movie I will watch for the entire year. The rest are just too
predictable and too political and raunchy morally. *I will say I
think they blew it with the Hunger Games. The Hunger Games sort of back fires on
the leftist agenda showing what a far left society could look like. I doubt
Hollywood wanted that reaction.
Well how much of this is actually the fiction being popular and how much of it
is just some people seeing politics in everything? It expands to everything else
as well. People say the Lego Movie is anti-capitalist, or that Frozen is
pro-gay, others..."The Hunger Games to me represents a Communist
society at its worst and politically aligns itself with the current far left
ideology of today."say things like that.
A lot of children's literature has been political in nature. Ayn Rand, for
The reason?Quite simply -- This generation - Generation Y -
has watched the rich get insanely richer, and poor getting poorer
their entire lives.These movies are a grim self-fullfilling prophesy
of the direction our world is going.FYI -- It's no
different than what happened to the Jaredites, Nephites, Egytians, Greeks,Romans, snd Nazis.It had
nothing to do with SameSex marriage, or alcohol -- and EVERYTHING to do
with the un-fair distribution of the wealth, and how they treated the
poor, sick, the young and the elderly...i.e., "the least of
re:SchneeSorry guy but I only watch maybe one movie a year so I
certainly don't "see" politics in everything HOWEVER when a movie
like the Hunger Games comes out even the casual observer can't help see the
parallels to the "Orwellian" society we live in today. Somehow you
missed that? Perhaps a reading of the book "1984" would help ...at least
open your eyes a bit to the message of the Hunger Games.
Because it's easy to have polarizing characters that people can easily
re: WabbitSeasonLike talk radio stations or cable news analysis
But this isn't anything new. We have seen this throughout cinema.Who has seen Logan's Run, The Last Run, Star Wars, and Planet of the Apes
(Heston version)? Those are some of the dystopian movies that I could think of
off hand that are quite old yet contain the same message. An all controlling
government is bad and ends up enslaving and destroying its people.This is not something new, the youth have always been fearful of the all
powerful government. The ironic thing is that often they are the pawns of
collectivists that will implement the all powerful government.To
"LDS Liberal" actually, the Generation Y crowd has watched as liberal
politics destroys city after city, and does not raise the poor but only makes
the middleclass poor, and the politically connected get more wealth and power.
In other words, Generation Y sees the failure of liberalism, but doesn't
know what to do because they have been taught that freedom and capitalism are
@patriot"Somehow you missed that? "Probably because as
a lefty-liberal almost-socialist I support things like universal healthcare and
consider wealth inequality to be a major problem. There's very little
that's similar between the Capital in the Hunger Games and my political
ideology. Which is not to suggest that the Capital is like your ideology either.
There's perhaps a piece or two from both sides but otherwise it's just
an extreme fascist state.
"Well how much of this is actually the fiction being popular "I meant to say political, not popular. Whoops.
Patriot, it's virtually impossible to "miss" the ostensible message
of The Hunger Games. Subtle it ain't. I hate to burst your bubble, but you
aren't operating on a higher plane of comprehension. Our difference is how
seriously we take said message.You know what "reaction"
Lionsgate (not "Hollywood") wanted, and got? $1.5 billion in box-office
and counting. Too-strident-by-half pronouncements about our "Orweillian"
society today become impossible to take seriously when you point to a couple of
popcorn movies as evidence.The world where The Hunger Games is an
effective tool for political indoctrination is as fictional as the world its
characters inhabit. This is professional populist entertainment; nothing less,
nothing more. But, by all means continue, as one of the most entertaining side
effects of any movie with a supposed political message is watching the far right
twist themselves into knots in protest. Queue the hysterical shrieks of
"Liberal, Godless Hollywood!" I never can get enough of that.
"then you have a society [in which] General Electric gets away without
paying any taxes on their profits"Funny to me that the only big
corporation that those on the right finds fault with is GE. I also
think it is sad that a corporation like GE can skirt taxes. But, they are not
the only one. People carp about the high corporate tax rate in the
US compared to other countries. What they dont do is look at the effective tax
rate for comparison.(except under Reagan, then they bleat about how
no one was paying those high rates)
"When you have a society [in which] General Electric gets away without
paying any taxes on their profits...."I would change to
"When you have a society in which public discourse is dominated by
celebrities who have no clue about the policies they wade into debate
about..."GE pays taxes on their profits. Profits, however, are
not a one-year-only thing. A company that is profitable one year, then loses
the same amount of money the next, has a net profit of zero. Obviously, if you
taxed that company on its profits (but did not refund negative taxes on the
loss), the company would quickly disappear. Since everybody but communists
understands that companies are, on balance, useful things to have around (since
we like (a) jobs and (b) things to buy with the earnings from them), there is a
provision in virtually every country's tax laws that allow a company to
"carry forward" its losses for a few years, offsetting them against its
subsequent profits, so that only when a company actually realizes income does it
pay income tax.
"People carp about the high corporate tax rate in the US compared to other
countries. What they dont do is look at the effective tax rate for
comparison."Even the *effective* tax rate is unusually high.
"This generation - Generation Y - has watched the rich get insanely
richer, and poor getting poorer their entire lives."Look
up a graph in the average income of the lowest quintile (the "poor")
from 1980 to the present -- roughly the lifespan of Generation Y -- and then see
if you want to reword that statement.Short version: The poor
aren't getting poorer. They're not getting much richer, but
they're not getting poorer.
"The Hunger Games to me represents a Communist society at its worst and
politically aligns itself with the current far left ideology of today."Hogwash. The books are intentionally ambiguous about the exact social
and economic structures of their world, and a case can just as easily be made
that Panem represents a rightwing imperialist regime where the raw goods and
materials of the enslaved outer colonies are extracted for the benefit of the
wealthy minority. Hunger Games is about the struggle against
totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is politically neutral on its face. History
is replete with examples of totalitarianism from both the far right or far left.
The view that totalitarian rule is inherently a feature of one or the other,
but not both, evinces a fundamental lack of political understanding or
perspective. Accusing those who disagree with your politics of desiring
totalitarianism demonstrates the same.
To "Unreconstructed Reb" if you look at the role the government in the
Hunger Games books, it is communist at worst and socialist at best. The
government controls the means of production and distribution of goods. It
represents the very definition of Socialist.The interesting thing is
that you cannot have a totalitarian government if you have the free market and
capitalism operating. Just something to think about.
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