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Published: Tuesday, Aug. 19 2014 7:50 p.m. MDT

Updated: Tuesday, Aug. 19 2014 7:50 p.m. MDT

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Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

The more our government (with either political party in power) meddles and micromanages every part of our lives, the more we will see books and movies dealing with governments that micromanage people's lives.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ""When you have a society [in which] General Electric gets away without paying any taxes on their profits, and where [the government] has the gall to take $15 billion of food stamps away . . . ."

You mean Hollywood believes Hunger Games is about a corporatist dystopia?

Hmmmmmm.

Sure smells like a much more common, much more likely Orwellian leftist dystopia, to me.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

The Hunger Games. Both times my wife and I have watched these movies we come away saying the same things - there is a stark parallel to the direction the United States is headed today and the Big Brother government that president Snow has established in the Hunger Games. Of course this is Hollywood and not to be taken too serious but it does strike a nerve or two. Consider the following in the Hunger games...

*the complete politically correct society they live in. No one dare state the obvious ...at least not in public.
*the giant all-powerful federal government with zero rights give to the people
*the rich fat cats who live at the top compared to the poverty amoung everyone else
*the constant spying by the federal government and the parinoia by the people

You can't watch these movies without feeling queezy about the state of the union today. I almost feel like I am watching the future of America in about 75 years.

The Hunger Games to me represents a Communist society at its worst and politically aligns itself with the current far left ideology of today.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Hollywood is far left politically so naturally they color their movie scripts with all sorts of leftist propaganda from global warming to a socialist godless society. The last movie I watched - and really liked - was Lone Survivor. Probably the only movie I will watch for the entire year. The rest are just too predictable and too political and raunchy morally.

*I will say I think they blew it with the Hunger Games. The Hunger Games sort of back fires on the leftist agenda showing what a far left society could look like. I doubt Hollywood wanted that reaction.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Well how much of this is actually the fiction being popular and how much of it is just some people seeing politics in everything? It expands to everything else as well. People say the Lego Movie is anti-capitalist, or that Frozen is pro-gay, others...

"The Hunger Games to me represents a Communist society at its worst and politically aligns itself with the current far left ideology of today."

say things like that.

Understands Math
Lacey, WA

A lot of children's literature has been political in nature. Ayn Rand, for instance.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The reason?

Quite simply --
This generation - Generation Y -
has watched the rich get insanely richer,
and poor getting poorer their entire lives.

These movies are a grim self-fullfilling prophesy
of the direction our world is going.

FYI --
It's no different than what happened to the
Jaredites,
Nephites,
Egytians,
Greeks,
Romans,
snd Nazis.

It had nothing to do with SameSex marriage, or alcohol --
and EVERYTHING to do with the un-fair distribution of the wealth,
and how they treated the poor, sick, the young and the elderly...
i.e., "the least of these..."

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Schnee

Sorry guy but I only watch maybe one movie a year so I certainly don't "see" politics in everything HOWEVER when a movie like the Hunger Games comes out even the casual observer can't help see the parallels to the "Orwellian" society we live in today. Somehow you missed that? Perhaps a reading of the book "1984" would help ...at least open your eyes a bit to the message of the Hunger Games.

WabbitSeason
Newcastle, WA

Because it's easy to have polarizing characters that people can easily identify.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

re: WabbitSeason

Like talk radio stations or cable news analysis networks?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

But this isn't anything new. We have seen this throughout cinema.

Who has seen Logan's Run, The Last Run, Star Wars, and Planet of the Apes (Heston version)? Those are some of the dystopian movies that I could think of off hand that are quite old yet contain the same message. An all controlling government is bad and ends up enslaving and destroying its people.

This is not something new, the youth have always been fearful of the all powerful government. The ironic thing is that often they are the pawns of collectivists that will implement the all powerful government.

To "LDS Liberal" actually, the Generation Y crowd has watched as liberal politics destroys city after city, and does not raise the poor but only makes the middleclass poor, and the politically connected get more wealth and power. In other words, Generation Y sees the failure of liberalism, but doesn't know what to do because they have been taught that freedom and capitalism are bad.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@patriot
"Somehow you missed that? "

Probably because as a lefty-liberal almost-socialist I support things like universal healthcare and consider wealth inequality to be a major problem. There's very little that's similar between the Capital in the Hunger Games and my political ideology. Which is not to suggest that the Capital is like your ideology either. There's perhaps a piece or two from both sides but otherwise it's just an extreme fascist state.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

"Well how much of this is actually the fiction being popular "

I meant to say political, not popular. Whoops.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

Patriot, it's virtually impossible to "miss" the ostensible message of The Hunger Games. Subtle it ain't. I hate to burst your bubble, but you aren't operating on a higher plane of comprehension. Our difference is how seriously we take said message.

You know what "reaction" Lionsgate (not "Hollywood") wanted, and got? $1.5 billion in box-office and counting. Too-strident-by-half pronouncements about our "Orweillian" society today become impossible to take seriously when you point to a couple of popcorn movies as evidence.

The world where The Hunger Games is an effective tool for political indoctrination is as fictional as the world its characters inhabit. This is professional populist entertainment; nothing less, nothing more. But, by all means continue, as one of the most entertaining side effects of any movie with a supposed political message is watching the far right twist themselves into knots in protest. Queue the hysterical shrieks of "Liberal, Godless Hollywood!" I never can get enough of that.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"then you have a society [in which] General Electric gets away without paying any taxes on their profits"

Funny to me that the only big corporation that those on the right finds fault with is GE.

I also think it is sad that a corporation like GE can skirt taxes. But, they are not the only one.

People carp about the high corporate tax rate in the US compared to other countries. What they dont do is look at the effective tax rate for comparison.

(except under Reagan, then they bleat about how no one was paying those high rates)

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

"When you have a society [in which] General Electric gets away without paying any taxes on their profits...."

I would change to "When you have a society in which public discourse is dominated by celebrities who have no clue about the policies they wade into debate about..."

GE pays taxes on their profits. Profits, however, are not a one-year-only thing. A company that is profitable one year, then loses the same amount of money the next, has a net profit of zero. Obviously, if you taxed that company on its profits (but did not refund negative taxes on the loss), the company would quickly disappear. Since everybody but communists understands that companies are, on balance, useful things to have around (since we like (a) jobs and (b) things to buy with the earnings from them), there is a provision in virtually every country's tax laws that allow a company to "carry forward" its losses for a few years, offsetting them against its subsequent profits, so that only when a company actually realizes income does it pay income tax.

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

"People carp about the high corporate tax rate in the US compared to other countries. What they dont do is look at the effective tax rate for comparison."

Even the *effective* tax rate is unusually high.

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

"This generation - Generation Y -
has watched the rich get insanely richer,
and poor getting poorer their entire lives."

Look up a graph in the average income of the lowest quintile (the "poor") from 1980 to the present -- roughly the lifespan of Generation Y -- and then see if you want to reword that statement.

Short version: The poor aren't getting poorer. They're not getting much richer, but they're not getting poorer.

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

"The Hunger Games to me represents a Communist society at its worst and politically aligns itself with the current far left ideology of today."

Hogwash. The books are intentionally ambiguous about the exact social and economic structures of their world, and a case can just as easily be made that Panem represents a rightwing imperialist regime where the raw goods and materials of the enslaved outer colonies are extracted for the benefit of the wealthy minority.

Hunger Games is about the struggle against totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is politically neutral on its face. History is replete with examples of totalitarianism from both the far right or far left. The view that totalitarian rule is inherently a feature of one or the other, but not both, evinces a fundamental lack of political understanding or perspective. Accusing those who disagree with your politics of desiring totalitarianism demonstrates the same.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Unreconstructed Reb" if you look at the role the government in the Hunger Games books, it is communist at worst and socialist at best. The government controls the means of production and distribution of goods. It represents the very definition of Socialist.

The interesting thing is that you cannot have a totalitarian government if you have the free market and capitalism operating. Just something to think about.

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