@Who am I sir?"Why do Y fans think that beating such weak teams
make you a great team?"I never said that's the case. If
you'll notice the end of my first comment, I said "Let's all own
up to the fact that it's a combination of how many games you won and the
schedule you played against."Beating weak teams does not make
BYU a great team. But taking care of business and crushing those teams, along
with beating good teams like Texas, USU, and UCF does make BYU a great team.I don't know why you think BYU fans think beating weak teams makes
them great. Sure, some do. But the vast majority (like myself) do not believe
that, as evidenced by my first comment. You are simply stereotyping BYU fans
with very little evidence to back it up as fact.
Two For Flinching: "Fans like watching their team win games that matter. I
know it's always better to win. but I can't imagine there being very
much satisfaction watching your team roll up teams like MTSU, Savannah St.,
UNLV, UCONN, UVA, and then landing in a third tier bowl game."BYU can't control who they play to the extent that you may believe.
Again, congrats on that very special SOS you have. It can't do a thing for
you unless you win. It won't even keep KWhitt around much longer.Go Cougs.
Yay for Rufus T. Firefly and his Utes. They are now relegated to touting wins
against BYU (a contest that has once again become their bowl game) and playing
the role of spoiler in the PAC 12. Must be exciting. Meanwhile they
are also awarded the state's SOS trophy yearly. Not too hard playing
against a schedule that guarantees games against 9 PAC 12 teams + another P5
team every year. BYU will play any takers, any year, anywhere. Some
have started to dodge us though (you know who you are...).Go Cougs!
Boiling it down to yet another level of simplification: Taysom Hill will go as
far as the left tackle can take him, and no further. No amount of improvement
in the receivers, or in his ball delivery will help him, if he gets blindsided
in the pocket every time he tries to deliver a ball on third and eight -- as we
saw in the Washington game that ended last season, and against other decent
opponents.It really is a simple game. Someone has to pass block on
obvious passing downs, and run block on power running plays inside the 20s. If
we're improved enough to do that, we'll be back in business, and
perhaps an undefeated, or maybe one-loss team, against a somewhat lighter
schedule. If not, we'll lose at least 4 games -- Texas, Central Florida,
USU, and Boise State, (and maybe more) and the season will be a near rerun of
last year. It's a simple game of fundamentals when you get down to it, and
offensive line play is one of them. Barring an injury to Hill, the season goes
as the offensive line goes, plain and simple.
@ Objectified"Fans don't enjoy watching their team lose.
And they very much enjoy watching their team win."Fans like
watching their team win games that matter. I know it's always better to
win. but I can't imagine there being very much satisfaction watching your
team roll up teams like MTSU, Savannah St., UNLV, UCONN, UVA, and then landing
in a third tier bowl game.
I'm wondering if any of you guys actually work, pay attention to your
wives, kids, etc. Seems like you spend a lot of your time "discussing"
a sport that in the eternal scheme of things means absolutely nothing.
@Rufus,In that ranking from which you found BYU placed at #97 in the
nation, did you happen to see who occupied the #95 and #93 spots?Let
the spin begin!And as for the question about who does BYU play
that's relevant, when BYU put the schedule together some of the teams, like
Cal and Nevada, where a lot stronger. Despite that, Boise State and UCF have
respect and relevance. Probably more than the Utes, considering the talk on ESPN
I still believe you're wrong about your total correlation of national
legitimacy to strength of schedule. As proof, look at yesterday's
article concerning pre-season poll rankings. BYU received 8 votes in one poll
and 1 vote in the other poll. Utah has much stronger schedule, but never
received a single vote in either poll. So BYU is already receiving
attention and will keep moving up in the polls each time they win, regardless of
whom they play. On the other hand, almost every team that loses also falls
each time in the polls, regardless of how tough their SOS is. Boise
State almost made a science out of adding 1 or 2 tough, recognized opponents to
their schedule while the rest of their schedule was (is) considered almost a
cakewalk. And they often ended up as a top-10 ranked team and even qualified for
BCS bowl games. Believe it or not, every top-20 ranked team is
considered legitimate. Otherwise, they wouldn't be getting the votes
necessary for such a ranking. Besides Texas, other teams on BYU
's schedule, such as Houston and Utah State could eventually end up getting
I knew we had old o-linemen, but I had no idea they were old enough to be silver
beavers. Go O line. I'll be cheering for you.
@ Rufus T. Firefly:It's not earth shattering news that Utah has
a tougher schedule than BYU has. But Utah also loses more games than BYU does.
See how that works? Tougher schedules usually equate to more lost games.
And guess what? Fans don't enjoy watching their team lose. And they very
much enjoy watching their team win.That makes it very easy to figure
out why BYU fans are apparently so much happier than Ute fans. BYU plays with
schedules they can be very competitive in, win most of their games and then go
to bowl games at the end of each season. Lots of fun.Utah, on the
other hand, can brag about having a tougher schedule. But they also lose a lot.
That makes for unhappy fans, especially when they and their team keep sitting
home during each bowl-game season. Maybe that makes it easier to
understand why BYU fans are not jealous of Ute fans and why we definitely would
not like to change places with Utah. We wouldn't want to have to start
looking for excuses for our team losing more than winning, as Ute fans now do.
@ Kamute:If Utah has " learned how real football operates"
as you mentioned, how come they still can't even win enough to qualify for
a bowl game? And why do they have to hire a new offensive coordinator after each
season? Apparently, when out on the field, they aren't even half as good as
many of their fans, yourself included, like to pretend they are.It still
seems to most the football world, myself included, that Utah still has a lot
more to learn about how being competitive with real football works. Why do Ute fans incessantly harp about how tough their schedule is and how
weak the schedules are of other teams? In all honestly, what good does it do for
anyone to have the toughest schedule ever if that team can't win games?Answer: It doesn't do any good. Idaho State could have a tougher
schedule than Utah. But if they then lose all their games, it means absolutely
nothing. In a similar vein, Utah has been getting tougher schedules but is
now consistently losing the majority of their games. Nothing to brag about. It
simply allows more excuses for losing.
There are definitely a few things that can be counted on in life. One is the sun
coming up each morning. Another is Ute fans weighing on BYU articles and
subjects... and usually with negative slants to whatever the subject entails.
@ Who am I sir:Interesting how you conveniently forgot to
mention the other 5 opponents on BYU's schedule that received votes in the
national preseason poll rankings. Each of those teams is considered to be better
than Utah. When the Utah game was dropped, it didn't hurt BYU's
strength of schedule. Doesn't leave much for Ute fans to crow about. @ KamUte:It's ALWAYS a big deal for any team to go unbeaten
over the course of a 12 game schedule. Very few ever do it regardless of their
SOS. Utah has had many weaker SOS's seasons in their history when they
didn't even come close to going unbeaten. Do some research. @
Rufus T. Firefly:So half of BYU's opponents have stronger SOS and
half are weaker. Congratulations on becoming a expert in finally figuring out
how simple averages work. Very impressive. All 5 opponents ranked better
than Utah and receiving national votes are noteworthy.
@KamUte"There is no jealousy on the Hill." ---Good to
hear. It's often hard to tell with how many Ute fans have to comment on
every BYU story.I don't pretend to speak for my team's
entire fanbase as some do, but I can tell you that for me there is no jealousy
going the other way either. As an "out-of-state'er," I can watch
every game my team plays ih HD, and most on-demand, and they are visiting their
fans all over the country, and playing storied programs every year. They have a
post-season, and are generally in or knocking on the door of a national ranking.
What's not to like?Good luck figuring it out.
idabluIdaho Falls, ID"I am not too sure this
"chippy" attitude and "fight back" culture .... I am a big fan
of confidence, but not a fan of cockiness and dirty play. I get the impression
the coach is condoning the latter.."Oh, ida, guess you've
never played in the trenches. There isn't a decent P5 O-lineman who I would
not consider as one who plays "dirty." But then I'm a purist and
more of a basketball fan. So I'm confident the coach is merely teaching
I love this preseason hype. I'm getting white knuckles waiting for the
season to begin. It would be OK with me if both BYU and Utah have a good
season. An often forgotten part of a good season is when the teams and the fans
emulate good sportsmanship!. I don't mind at all some bantering back and
forth that is in good taste but some of the comments posted are just plain
juvenile in nature. Just sit back and enjoy college football, root for your
favorite team and have some fun. Don't get hernia over it.
Riley MendenhallProvo, UT"I could be in there at offensive
line and the cougars would beat: UNLV, Savannah St, UConn, Virginia, Nevada, and
Middle Tennessee State."Gee, Riley, we didn't know you were
such a stud!
If the offensive line contributes to Taysom staying healthy...The
season will be amazing.If Taysom stays healthy, he will put up
numbers BYU hasn't seen in years.If Taysom stays healthy, BYU
will go undefeated.
I am not too sure this "chippy" attitude and "fight back"
culture is a good thing as Tujage says. I believe it leads to lack of discipline
and costly penalties. I say let your play do your talking but keep your
emotions under control, especially after the whistle has blown. I am
a big fan of confidence, but not a fan of cockiness and dirty play. I get the
impression the coach is condoning the latter..
@What in Tucket?".Utah has a good team perhaps somewhat better
than BYU, but sorry I don't watch them." I'm sorry you don't
watch them also. If you did you would get to see #9 Oregon, and #19 USC playing
in RES. In addition you would see them playing #11 Stanford, #16 UCLA and #21
Arizona State on TV. In addition to four additional teams from the second
hardest rated conference you could also see Michigan away... (or wait a year and
see Michigan in RES also) As Dana Greene said when asked which schedule he
would rather see... "As a fan you want to see the best teams..!@Tayson$Heisman"Why do ute fans think that a weak schedule makes you
a bad team?" Good question. Now, Why do Y fans think that beating such
weak teams make you a great team?
Utah fans are always critical of everything BYU does. I continue to be amazed
how interested they are in anything BYU. Hope they watch the games so BYU has a
big TV audience. I mean a bigger TV audience. Utah has a good team perhaps
somewhat better than BYU, but sorry I don't watch them.
Firefly: Who are you going to beat that's noteworthy?
Yes, what about the kicking game? I'm very concerned as well. All
we've heard is that it's still a wide open competition for who will
start. That could mean good depth or that everyone is equally mediocre. Which
is it? Also, we should all keep in mind that there are good wins
and bad losses but there are no bad wins and no good losses. Remembering that
takes care of a lot of the ridiculous SOS talk. Win your games, then and only
then, is it relevant to talk about the quality of those wins.
We have heard about the O-line, Defense, the quarterbacks, running backs and
receivers. Is there a reason we are not hearing anything about the kicking
game? Let's face it, the kicker could have made a world of difference in
several key games over the past 5 years. What about that part of the team?
CG,Utah and BYU would not have had breakthrough seasons had either
been in a good conference. Our two BCS breakthrough seasons helped us get into
the big boy league but now we realize it isn't that big of an
accomplishment if BYU were to go unbeaten with their easy schedule. There is no jealousy on the Hill. We are in and learning how real football
How about if the O-Line calls the plays inside the red-zone, errr, blue-zone.
whoamiBYU fans weren't the ones ragging on schedules, that was
our jealous little friends from the hill who can't accept the fact that
Utah's regular season 2004 schedule wasn't even weaker than BYU's
1984 regular season schedule. At least BYU played a team the finished #24 in the
Final AP Top 25.
@CGNow let's look at 1984.
Richard Harmon,How about saying, "If byu scores more points than
their opponents they will win more games."or. "If our defense
gives up less points than our opponent, byu wins more games."
whoamiIt's interesting how critical Utah fans have suddenly
become of BYU's schedules after all of the chest beating Utah fans did in
2004 following a regular season that included only three opponents with winning
records, none better than 7-5.Talk about hypocrisy!
@Riley MendenhallYou're right, BYU will win those 6 games even
with a bad O-line.But last time I checked BYU is playing 12 games
this year, not 6.So there are 6 games where good O-line play will be
necessary for a win.Why do ute fans think that a weak schedule makes
you a bad team? If Alabama played BYU's schedule, they aren't bad.
I'm not trying put BYU anywhere near Alabama, I'm just saying that as
long as BYU wins a lot of games, it proves they are a good team even though they
don't have the toughest schedule out there.And why do ute fans
think a strong schedule makes a good team? If Weber State played utah's
schedule, they would also miss a bowl game. The schedule doesn't make you
good.Let's all own up to the fact that it's a combination
of how many games you won and the schedule you played against.
One correction to the article: we will not really see how great BYU's O
line is at the UConn game. The real test will be Texas. BYU must win that game
to even have a chance to have what could be considered a great season.
It's true. The O-line will (help) determine if BYU wins over 10 games this
year. Other than that the waltz through 6 games, favorites in 2 others, toss-up
in 2 and finally a contest to win the last 2.
Well Riley, I'm glad you're not suiting up for the Cougars. From what
I've seen, this O-Line is going to be pretty good. They were not horrible
last year like some people think. They were mainly young and inexperienced and
that showed against teams like Notre Dame and Wisconsin. I think a lot of fans
are going to be pleasantly surprised.
Correction: The easy schedule will determine how many games BYU wins.I could be in there at offensive line and the cougars would beat:UNLV,
Savannah St, UConn, Virginia, Nevada, and Middle Tennessee State.
Hmmmmm. If you say, "All is not well in Zion," it's Captain
Obvious.If you say "All is well in Zion," it's Blue
Kool-Aid.Of course, under the criticism, it's spot on. Good
line play is like good organ play in church - nothing gets noticed until there
are mistakes. But personally, I like to hear what they are saying, obvious or
not.it fill the time till the first game.
As the O.L. goes so does BYU. 1995 was the last time a serious O.L. provided
enough time for real offense. Dick H. is so correct. I hope that this is the
year they jell, work hard and move fast.
The team will only be as good as it's the BIG'S !!! Souptwins nailed
Is this a new realization for Harmon? Line play is always key to having a great
football team. It's just become glaringly obvious BYU's had issues
there lately. The O-line is one of those fundamental positions that most people
take for granted when it's good and becomes very obvious when it's
bad. Everyone plays better when the line is controlled. If you watch the Wisc.
game from last season, watch the up front push and how their O-line opens up the
running lanes by pushing the D in the right direction. That's what a good
O-line should be doing. With a bad one, you see your lead RB running up
people's backs up the middle (watch Jamaal on nearly any 1st down run
play). We all hope it's better this year and in the mean time, we'll
just file this article under "Captain Obvious."