Why wouldn't you opt your child out of these tests? Education is not
accomplished by hours and hours of testing. Education is not accomplished by
spending days and weeks learning how to take the test. More steps does not
equal increased rigor. It is a waste of time and money to spend so much effort
on something that is going to ultimately tell you what about your child?
Nothing a teacher couldn't figure out actually teaching them. Also, please
stop with the inane, trite comments about home schooled children. Enough data
is available to refute any negative claims anyone may make about home schooled
kids. Most kids would prefer it to public school. Education occurs when
knowledge can be applied in a meaningful way. A standardized test is not a
meaningful application of knowledge.For those of you who think a college
education equals higher intelligence then you need to do some homework of your
own. Some of the most seemingly average and under-performing students turned out
to contribute the most to our society and world. You need not look farther than
that cool smart phone or pad you used to leave your unintelligent remarks.
It seems that the "educated" parents on this site look down on those who
only have "masters" degrees. Many parents from all educational levels
opted their children out of the SAGE testing. Our teachers never see the
questions or answers on these tests, an outside company does all the work. "no book, no tests, no lesson plans, just standards." Correct,
yet somehow a mass of confusing math workbooks, etc. were implemented all over
the state. I was told that the students scores will go down initially with the
sage testing. That is because the teachers can't teach the new curriculum
- not because the students are being held to a higher level. Children are
generally bright enough to learn new concepts, if taught properly. Deseret News seems to produce articles that promote Common Core and demonize
parents who do not.
Orem Parent got one thing right. We were expected to meet those standards with
"no book, no tests, no lesson plans, just standards." This
"uneducated" parent would like his educated children to have a decent
textbook to learn from. It seems that the decision to adopt the Common Core was
made so quickly that there was no time to consider trivial things like textbooks
and curriculum. There was time enough to issue mandates, apply for federal RTTT
money, request waivers from NCLB, and then try to pick up the pieces later. Some
I find it pretty narrow minded that all the "educated parents" on here
that are judging all the "uneducated parents" seems to have forgotten
that each parent has the right to do what they feel is best for their children.
What right do you have to place judgement and assume parents are uneducated
because they choose to opt their children out of five weeks worth of online
SAGE tests?In my experience, the parents that opt their children
out, have put hours into studying AIR, Common Core, SAGE, Race to the top, SLDA,
Ferpa, etc. I am one of the "uneducated parents" that has put hours into
studying all of those things and attending SAGE meetings. I have set in meetings
with Judy Park.So before you pass judgement, maybe you ought to
consider the fact that parents opting out have done hours of research unlike
those parents that just go along because they are educated and have a degree in
education.I don't need an education degree to know what is best
for my children.
Well said Vladhagen.Any educated parent wouldn't believe in the
conspiracy theories people are blaming on the common core. Anybody that actually
reads it and studies it quickly sees it is just a set of standards we hope all
kids can meet. There isn't even a curriculum to go with it. No book, no
test, no lesson plans, just standards.Now get a group of not very
well educated people together and throw in some government conspiracy theories
and they will gladly jump on board with that. I have been totally
amazed at this issue. It is humorous really. Well that is until I see that the
children are being used as pawns in a game that will ultimately harm them. I
watched the state school board meeting online the other day. The comments that
were being thrown around there by the audience members in green shirts were
absolutely ridiculous. Luckily for us common sense usually wins out.
That is until our legislature gets involved. Then we get genius ideas like
grading schools. Did you know that was started by the pro-voucher crowd?
The dumbest thing anyone can do in trying to ascertain progress is change all
the variables simultaneously. When the state office adopted Common Core (without
ANY public input) and then also changed the state tests at the same time, they
created the perfect cover. NOBODY can tell the true effects of new standards and
new curriculum, unless you keep the old tests in place to see how students
benchmark against a constant. This whole Common Core charade is a sick joke, and
the joke is on our children thanks to greedy state education officials who sold
their souls to the federal government for the chance at the Race to the Top
jackpot (which we never received).
I do not think that opting out of SAGE testing is coming from the most educated
parents; it is coming from the "less than college diploma" parents. This
is how it is in my area at least. It is the undereducated, not the educated, who
are opting out. I come from a long line of college graduates (Great Grandmother
being the first). Both my grandfathers have graduate degrees (In education). My
grandmother and mother (who also did grad school) both were elementary
educators. My father is a former college instructor. I also teach at the
university level (meaning I too went to graduate school). And we are in favor of
Common Core.I find it odd that parents feel the need to opt their
"best and brightest" in order to make a point. Do not tell me your kid
is bright: Show me. That's how it works on this playground. If you say you
can do a flip off the swing, you better be ready to show me. And you do that by
doing well on the SAGE test. Also, for the record: Common Core is
not run by the federal government. We need to stop saying that.
At our school it definitely wasn't the best and brightest that were pulling
their kids out of SAGE testing. It was the ones whose kids had missed a LOT of
days of school. Many "home schooled" their kids part of the day as well.
Those kids usually don't do so well on the end of year testing so we
weren't too upset to have their scores not count against us.
Parents will have their children opt out of SAGE because it is tied to Common
Core. Many people are against Common Core and think education should be
administrated at the state level not the "national level fits all". Many
feel that we have too much encroachment at the federal level in every area of
our lives. And, that is a legitimate concern for many people! The fact that
their children are the "best and brightest" might tell you about the
academic level of these parents.
"The thing I legitimately wonder is why you would want to opt your child out
of SAGE testing."At my school, it all goes back to the Common
Core. The SAGE tests are seen as the "government data sharing element"
of Common Core. Opting out of SAGE=Fight against the Common Core. This is a
story that the news media has completely missed. They reported the initial
stories about teachers "encouraging" their struggling students to have
their parents opt them out of SAGE but they need to report the story that
emerged as testing went on--that many, many high achievers never took the
tests--and therefore the data is flawed. Respectfully--I really
don't think this is a case of parents thinking their students are
academically brilliant when they aren't. The students that I am labeling
"best and brightest" really are the academic superstars at my school. I
got the feeling that the parents did what they felt was right to fight against
the Common Core. But, for teachers and the latest pay for performance measures,
that missing data will be felt in the purse and wallet.
The thing I legitimately wonder is why you would want to opt your child out of
SAGE testing. What are the motives? That the tests are too hard? That the tests
might actually tell you your student is average? Or is it just to prove a point?
I honestly cannot see the motives. We need fewer vigilante parents
and more parents who "own up" and actually realize that maybe their
"best and brightest" are just average. And do something at home about
"If the parent of a struggling student pulls their child, Hallelujah! Higher
average score!"FYI: At my traditional public school in
conservative Utah County, is was the parents of the "best and brightest"
who overwhelmingly opted their students out of SAGE testing.When
teacher pay is tied to these scores, I know many who are NOT going to
"overjoyed" if this trend continues. Opting out can be (and will be in
many situations) a huge game changer when it comes to the validity of the data.
Any legislators out there listening?
A lot of student didn't take this seriously. Until it actually means
something to their lives, some will give effort, some will do it as fast as they
can to get it over with.
I think that as they tweak the SAGE tests, the results will begin to reflect
exactly where Utah stands. But I am a big fan of higher standards. I find it
unfathomable that parents would pull their kids out of the testing. Although,
maybe teachers were overjoyed about some students being excluded from the
testing. If the parent of a struggling student pulls their child, Hallelujah!
Higher average score! Perhaps I should begin suggesting that all my low students
exclude themselves from the final tests. Bit really, we need these
higher standards. We have been swimming in the shallow end for far too long.
A lot of parents are going to hit the roof over this. I think that the raising
of the bar was in high need, however. I think back to the days when I was
school. My school was average. And they sent almost no one to college. This was
back in the late 90s, early 2000s. As someone who now teaches at the university
level (mathematics), we are behind in Utah. Way behind. And there are too many
teachers and parents trying to stop the train of positive reform from leaving