Wow, so many pac12 teams in the top 25. Good luck Utah, I hope y'all do
well. It's double edged sword that you guys are in the pac
because it's hard to win, but if you can win then you go straight to the
top of the rankings.
Love the national relevance BYU has received. Anybody know if Utah received
votes? Chris B.? anything?It would be interesting to see how the AP
views Utah after not being bowl eligible for several years now. Have any polls
been released with the mentioning of Utah? How many more days
Even though they're not yet ranked in the Top 25, it's great to see
BYU included in the mix of teams receiving votes in both the Coaches and AP
polls to start the season.
Shocking news... P5 Utes not mentioned.#wherearetheutes
I'm stunned. No votes for the Utes. I thought they were premier, wonderful,
spectacular, the leading luminary of the state. How could so many of their fans
be so bold and the rest of the football world ignore them???
Technically the U is there cause all the other P12 schools are there. United
they stand, even it it's on other's coat tails.
sammyg,Shocking news...You're celebrating that the Utes
weren't mentioned instead of congratulating The Aggies and your team. lol.
I guess all to the big conferences are sorting out how they can play soft games
on the road to running for a bowl. The SEC has a soft addition in Missouri, The
PAC 12 got lucky enough to add 2 softies with Utah and Colorado. I guess with a
tough schedule, the bigs need a little rest along the way.
This year it can't be denied. Utah State will march into Provo and beat
BYU. The national media thinks so by giving the Aggies a lot more votes as a top
It's good to see that Utah State is getting national recognition. I still
remember how impressed I was with them last year in the USC game when they went
toe to toe with a team that had twice the talent but half the heart. Utah State
has shown more heart over the last couple of years than BYU and Utah combined.
With Keeton coming back, and the strong recruiting classes they have had the
last couple of years, they should be the best team in the state this year. I am
looking forward to their opener with Tennessee. I think their gonna punch
Tennessee in the mouth and leave Knoxville with a 38-14 victory over the Vols.
To respond to Irrelevant.... I thing the answer is NO, Nada, Nein etc. Nobody is
talking about he utes. They keep falling further into the dark hole of teams
nobody cares about. It is great to see the Aggies and Cougs to
continue to be discussed not only locally but nationally as well. Way to go....
Come on, friends, we have bigger things to worry about starting right now than
Utah. And they have been telling us now for years they have bigger and better
things to worry about than BYU.A big victory over U-Conn won't
get any additional votes, but anything less could cost us. Let's focus on
U-Conn, then Texas, then...
What, no Utah? "What a hoot, if you're a Ute". No recognition as
football entity at all. It's gonna be a long season if you're a Ute!
i would put BYU about 35 and USU about 24.
It is good to know where BYU stands in the eyes of the prognosticators. I do,
however, think that Utah is better than no votes. I hope all our state teams do
well this year and that all three enter next year in the top 25. Good luck to
everyone this season.
And BYU plays five teams who received votes.A big upgrade from the
MWC years, but not crazily bold as joining a conference like the PAC 11 where
they would lose two or three a year.
For all the jokes about irrelevance of different programs, who cares about any
of this -- no one has played a game yet. We can make all the jokes we want, but
everyone is winless at the moment.
Wow! More trash talk about Utah than celebrating your own accomplishment.
Sounds like Max Hall syndrome.Just 8 and 1 vote? I thought BYU and
Utah State were contenders for the playoffs this year? Only about 1316 votes
from contending for the 4th playoff spot.
This article is on both BYU and Utah State receiving a few votes in the AP poll,
and yet 7 of the first 13 commenters here all on the Utes. It's too bad
that many BYU fans' self worth is based on what goes on up on the hill.
Yet BYU and USU are still the number 2 and 3 best teams in the state. Both
teams would love to be in our shoes yet are clueless on the big boy football
Ha ha ha the jealous tears of every coog fan who's posted so far are
delicious!Nope, no Utah votes. Yet all the BYU fans would still
trade places with Utah in a heartbeat if they could. Means they're doing
something right.But, such is life inside the P5. Little mid majors
always nipping at your ankles trying to bring you down. Always trying to make
believe that somehow, some way, their little non power programs are somehow
superior... despite the fact that no P5 will be coming for you, nor can you even
beat that so-called "inferior team" anymore. Four straight losses to
said "inferior" team.And most of you fully understand that
BYU football wouldn't be whiffing any votes if they actually played on the
big boy level. That must be burning white hot in your collective craws.LOL
Pre-season means nothing and BYU shows us that every year. Taysom is on the
Heisman radar and yet his backup is outplaying him in scrimmage. BYU has 1 vote.
That's right 1 vote in the AP poll and everyone thinks BYU is receiving a
gift from God. Texas will show BYU who they really are and no one will be
talking about BYU in the end.Utah will be just fine and they will
show it on the field. Good luck with the victories against the best of the
best......nothing better than beating a few High school teams each year. Does
that make BYU a bully?I think Utah state will beat BYU this year and
can't wait to see it.
ikuteLangi is wearing blue. Get over it.#saveourgirlse
Uteology"Just 8 and 1 vote? I thought BYU and Utah State were
contenders for the playoffs this year?"Eight votes and one vote
are better than NONE!It's laughable how you made a big deal out
of the U finishing ONE place ahead of BYU in Sagarin last year, but choose to
completely ignore the fact that Utah is well behind BYU and Utah State in the
2014 pre-season rankings.Of course, we all know that the kids on the
hill would be beating their chests if the Utes were receiving votes, and the
Cougars, not, but that's just another example of the inconsistency of the
crimson-goggles wearing crowd.-------PAC10.2"Yet BYU and USU are still the number 2 and 3 best teams in the
state."Says who? The fans of a team that was projected to finish
5th in a 6-team division and not qualify for a bowl for the 3rd straigh
tommy redJealous of what? Not being good enough to get a single vote
in either poll?LOL!
It must be hard on the outside, looking in.
As much as I cringe at the Utes facing such a tough schedule, I at the same time
wish our Cougars play a similar one ourselves. I know it's a huge
challenge but the rewards if you win is immense in terms of respect and
credibility on the national level. So in that sense, I do think the Utes are in
a great situation. If by any luck they come out smoking and surprise us, then
all will be well on the hill and Coach K.W's job will be safe. The only
down side I dread on that scenario will be the endless and incessant mocking and
put downs from their BYU hater Ute fans, most especially the one with his
countless aliases that doesn't miss a chance to dump on BYU every chance he
gets.Go Cougars! Good luck to Utes and Aggies too!
Tomahawk RedWhy are you even commenting on a BYU/Utah State
article?Rankings are all about how your team is, not how good your
opponents or conference are.
"That must be burning white hot in your collective craws."No
Tommy. But what we collectively understand is that utah football is inferior and
irrelevant, which these polls clearly confirm. Ha ha ha.
To my fellow Cougar fans, talking smack is one thing, but this is embarrassing.
Give it a rest.
It's great to see BYU and Utah State representing the state in the polls
and being recognized by the national media as potential playoff contenders.More evidence that the Utes are steadily falling behind BYU and Utah
State despite Utah's supposed P5 status "superiority".The Utes have become the Indiana of the PAC 12, only less accomplished.
@uteology,Fact is USU and BYU are not potential top 25 teams. But the
overriding point also is, no one wanted to waste even a single vote on the Utes,
who are in a power conference, bigger fan base, more money. Congrats to the
Aggies who have risen from worse than mediocrity and getting some measure of
Y-ask-Y"To my fellow Cougar fans, talking smack is one thing,
but this is embarrassing."It is.For the U.Never has a fan base beaten their chests so incessantly for accomplishing
absolutely NOTHING!4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18 overall, and back-to-back
losing, bowl less seasons, yet Utah fans still brag about "being on the
inside looking out".In reality, the Utes are on the bottom,
looking up. They obviously haven't noticed that glass ceiling above them or
the sign saying, "this area reserved for the real big boys, bottom dwelling
pretenders stay out".
sammyg,Enjoy your moral victories over the U as I have enjoyed the
scoreboard victories over byu.Name-calling is one of the most common
tactics people use to hurt others or disparage them. It often occurs when
someone has an emotional argument to make with little or no supporting logical
PAC12Fan,It would also seem Utah is clueless as to the big boy
learning curve.USU needs to get over the hump against P5 teams.
Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, USC all close, all evenly matched games. All
losses. USU maxes out their talent with superb execution. Just need some
luck.BYU...well, beat UCONN, meh. Beat Texas and then there is a
conversation. BYU only has four real games to prove themselves this year. Utah, I hope they have a winning season because it's UTah. However,
given their avoiding USU in basketball and football lately--games USU really
needs--I'm less interested in Utah overall.
And even more appropriately - Boise State got more love in the poll than either
USU or BYU. Both teams will be Bronco fodder as they enter Albertson's
Stadium this year - no doubt.
tinplater"Fact is USU and BYU are not potential top 25
teams."That all depends on how they start the season.If either, or both, make it through September undefeated, they'll
definitely crack the Top 25.
ekuteJust like the 80's, BYU has once again become Utah's
bowl game; the Utes obviously consider the BYU game to be the most important
game of their season, since that's all Utah fans ever talk about.
Seriously, to receive votes in a poll is nothing to crow about. However, it is
funny that the local P-5 team isn't even on the radar. That's what
happens when you become the Iowa State and Indiana of a P-5 conference.
Just the headline, "College football: BYU, Utah State receive votes in
preseason AP Top 25 poll",is enough to make the jolly gang on the hill
green with envy.
Because of course pre-season polls are definitive declarations of a team's
quality. Historically, they are slightly (~5%) more accurate than me jotting
down my top 25.I'll save my trash talk for something that is
the result of actual games.
"Eight votes and one vote are better than NONE!"cougfan:Let's see: Thse 8 votes for the cougs came from the DNews and
Daily Herald sports writers, plus Hans Olsen. And the one Aggie vote came from
the lone Logan paper beat writer. National relevance? That's
65toss"to receive votes in a poll is nothing to crow
about"True.But it is hilarious to see the angst even
a couple of votes can cause amongst the hill crowd.Their whole
narrative about being on the "inside looking out" is being destroyed.They've become the "kings of nothing".
JohnInSLCRemind us how many votes the Utes got from the SLTrib or
the Daily Chrony.Forget national relevance; the Utes don't even
have local relevance!LOL!
@ AggieAndee:Apparently, math must not be a strong suit of some
Aggie supporters. The articles clearly points out that BYU received more
national votes than any other school in the state. But congratulations to the
Aggies for getting the second most votes. But nothing in the voting results
indicates that the Aggies will go into Provo and win anything. Maybe someday.
But not anytime soon.@ PAC12Fan:When you say "our
shoes", are you from Weber State, Southern Utah or even Snow College?
Because those are the only other teams in the state moving up in the college
"football learning curve". There is a legitimate reason Utah
didn't receive any votes whatsoever. And receiving no votes certainly
doesn't make any other program who has received votes want to be in their
shoes.Some interesting and humorous signs of Ute fan paranoia are now
coming out into the open.@ Uteology:I'm not sure how good
your math is. But any votes are better than no votes. @ GoRed:Getting no national votes would make me go red too. That's quite
embarrassing. Cougar and Aggie program self-worth is somewhat connected to
receiving national recognition... not the hill.
My, my, my how times have changed.Wasn't it just a few seasons
ago, that Utah fans were crowing about the Utes being "ranked" in Phil
Steele's pre-season Top 25?Of course, that was then, this is
now.Since that national media have chosen to completely ignore that
little pretender on the hill, all of the pre-season prognostications are now
completely meaningless.No worries though. IF the Utes ever reason
any pre-season pub in the future, you can bet the ranch that we'll never
hear the end of it from the hill crowd.
SportsFanOrem, UTUteology"Just 8 and 1 vote? I
thought BYU and Utah State were contenders for the playoffs this year?"Eight votes and one vote are better than NONE!It's
laughable how you made a big deal out of the U finishing ONE place ahead of BYU
in Sagarin last year, but choose to completely ignore the fact that Utah is well
behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014 pre-season rankings.---------------Well behind? Utah is 1 vote behind Utah State and
8 votes behind BYU, with 0 games played. That's about one impressive TD
away from overtaking both programs in the AP.Just to be clear
PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and FINAL rankings are not, take your time to
analyze that statement.
Tommy:"But, such is life inside the P5. Little mid majors always
nipping at your ankles trying to bring you down. Always trying to make believe
that somehow, some way, their little non power programs are somehow superior...
"This is hilarious. It was less than 4 years ago that Utah was a
"mid-major" nipping at heels and the "fly in the ointment".
Despite the delusions of grandeur the truth is, Tommy, Utah still is a mid-major
program with mid-major coaching, mid-major fanbase, and mid-major respect.
Changing your address and getting paid by the big dogs to be abused and pad
their wins doesn't change any of that. U aren't a "power"
program and never will be. Ask Texas if they think Iowa State is a
"power" program. Ask Ohio State if they think Rutgers or Maryland are
"power" programs. Ask Florida State if they think Wake Forest is a
"power" program. Enjoy your place at the table even if it's as the
dessert or side salad.
hahaha I love how everyone is bagging on Utah. Look at strength of schedule. BYU
is going to play teams with a winning average of 41%. Do I need to say anything
else?! They are obviously going to have a good season. Playing teams that are
very comparable to Nebraska community college of Agriculture will give you a
great record but in the end it doesn't prove anything. Also, everyone keeps
asking where's Utah....Utah beat BYU 4 years in a row. My 4 year old sons
birthday wish this year was to be able to see BYU beat Utah during his
childhood. Gosh lets stop getting all riled up about a team who will have little
relevance at the end of the season!
@ Tomahawk Red:I know a lot of BYU fans. In fact many BYU fans.
Undoubtedly, many more than you. And not a single one has indicated any
desire to want to trade places with Utah. Not one. So keep up the
self-delusion if you must. But please realize that that's all it is... and
nothing more.Why would any football program that has gone to 9
straight bowl games (and counting) ever want to exchange places with a program
that hasn't even qualified for a bowl game in multiple years?Answer:
They wouldn't.Why would a football program who has received
much more national ranking and recognition ever want to trade places with a team
that has received much less of each over this past decade?Answer: They
wouldn't. Why would a program that plays on national TV (ESPN)
almost every week ever want to trade places with a program that only a fraction
as many people can watch (on the PAC Network only)?Answer: They
wouldn't.There you have it. The reasons Y there is no desire to
trade places with U and Y there is no jealousy of U.
@SportsFanIt's laughable how you made a big deal out of the U
finishing ONE place ahead of BYU in Sagarin last year, but choose to completely
ignore the fact that Utah is well behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014
pre-season rankings.PAC10.2"Yet BYU and USU are
still the number 2 and 3 best teams in the state."Says who? The
fans of a team that was projected to finish 5th in a 6-team division and not
qualify for a bowl for the 3rd straigh season?LOL!-----------No, says the fan of a team that OWNS your team. It's funny how head-head is meaningless to BYU fans today BYU is a
guarantee win, they have nothing to do with if Utah makes a bowl game or not.
Yet, BYU fans can't stop laughing. Go figure!I will let you on
a secret, preseason polls mean nothing compared to the final poll. Sagarin
means nothing compared to the scoreboard
year-after-year-after-year-after-year.I hope that helps!
"Forget national relevance; the Utes don't even have local
relevance!"mussing:I think what you meant to say is
the Utes aren't in a small town and don't have a paid house organ who
writes for a state-owned paper while running around with red and white
Pom-pons.But hey, the cougs and Aggies do, so yeah, run with it.lol
"Forget national relevance; the Utes don't even have local
relevance!"What's obvious is that they're the most
relevant team in happy valley. lol.
Uteology,Sure. And Utah was definitely better than Standford last
year. Upsets in college football NEVER happen. The better team ALWAYS wins.
JohnInSLC,Wow, the spin is strong with this one. I think you might
have a career in D.C.!
@ thebibsamoan and YaskY...thank you! I read 20+ ridiculous comments with
absolute senseless trash talk before I got to your comments. Its always
refreshing to see that there are still some common sense fans out there. Very
few, but still some.
Cougsndawgs,"Enjoy your place at the table even if it's as
the dessert or side salad."You must be thinking about the
prearranged beach bowl. lol.
Uteology"Just to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and
FINAL rankings are not, take your time to analyze that statement."Yet, PRESEAONS SOS rankings are carved in granite, at least according to the
kids on the hill.You know, your "opinions" might be
considered a little more seriously if you showed the tiniest smidgeon of
consistency.btw, OWNING someone is soundly beating them year after
year after year. Since 14 of the last 17 head-to-head games have been decided by
a touchdown or less in the final minutes or in overtime, and the Utes have only
won a slight 8-6 majority of those games, your definition of "owning"
anything is grossly exaggerated.The truth is, you've gotten
extremenly lucky that BYU hasn't won more of those coin-flip games.
Good to see 5 of BYU's scheduled opponents also receiving votes. Great
schedule this year, strong but not overpowering. This year has a lot of
Haha! The smack talk is so thick on here already! I might fall out of my chair
during this break laughing so hard!@AggieAndy Utah State hasn't
won in Provo since 1978, clear back when Jimmie Carter was President. I
don't see that history reversing itself anytime soon, although Chuckie
Keaton won't have Kyle VanNoy to abuse him this year... just newer Cougars
licking their chops! Chuckie won't get lucky.@TomahawkRed Utah
is clearly the biggest chicken of all the programs, although they now refuse to
play Utah State in Logan as should BYU. Even if BYU drops their program later
this decade, Utah State will NEVER be a big time as BYU or Utah are. In such a
scenario UVU will fill the BYU void very quickly and be the next Boise State,
with the Aggie s merely being another "FCS should be."
johninslc"the Utes aren't in a small town and don't
have a paid house organ who writes for a state-owned paper while running around
with red and white Pom-pons."Don't kid yourself; the SLTrib
is an avid Ute supporter, but even they can see how mediocre and over-hyped
Utah's football program has become.The fact that the Utes have
only finished in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history is proof
enough of Utah's lack of national relevance despite the frenzied ascertions
to the contrary from the hill.
@ Uteology:Since the final rankings of the current season can't
be made yet, the only thing we can all go by are the current pre-season
rankings. They are currently more relevant than any past season rankings. But if
the past is all you are interested in, BYU has finished ahead of Utah multiple
times more often. Overall, it's hardly even comparable. If Utah
owns anyone, it would be Weber State, since that is the only team it has both
consistently beat and finished the season ranked ahead of. Before the past 4
seasons, BYU beat Utah 3 of the previous 4 games. And so it has continued...
back and forth... back and forth. And now that it's BYU's turn to go
on another mini-winning streak, Utah turns tail and runs away. That certainly
doesn't seem to be a team that owns anyone else... especially not the Y.Using a more meaningful dynamic, in the last 2 decades BYU has finished
ahead of Utah in the final poll rankings decisively more times. Based on those
telling numbers, one would have to conclude that BYU definitely "owns"
Utah.I hope that helps!
Hmmmm.....BYU gets some votes but Utah is nowhere to be found. Nowhere.But, hey, life is good just being in the PAC-12, right?....Go Cougars!
The bottom line and (should be) final word...BYU and USU football
programs received some national respect this past weekend, while Utah received
none.End of story.
@ AggieAndee - Holladay, UT - "This year it can't be denied. Utah State
will march into Provo and beat BYU. The national media thinks so by giving the
Aggies a lot more votes as a top program."Interesting, but
false.BYU received more votes (8) than your beloved Aggies (1).Oops.
I just looked at Utah's football schedule this season. It appears
that the Idaho State and Fresno State games might be Utah's only wins for
quite awhile.And even the Fresno State game is iffy. By
mid-season, Wilson will be wanting to hand the reigns over to Taylor or anyone
else who will take them at that point.
thebigsamoan:As always, you are a gentleman and a scholar. You are
one of the most level headed posters from either side of the fence, and I (for
one) appreciate it.I just can't wait for the season to begin.
The preseason polls and predictions are fun, but don't mean a single thing
until the games are actually played. Outside of the Utah games and
watching such an amazing schedule, I am really looking forward to watching
Chuckie play. Go Utes!Have a great season Chuckie!
Uteology"Just to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and
FINAL rankings are not..."Thanks for that clarification.AP Top 25 FinishesLifetimeBYU 17Utah 5Bronco/Kyle eraBYU 4Kyle 2That should pretty much end
the debate of which program owns the other.
As an avid BYU fan, I also wish my fellow BYU fans would stop the silly,
embarrassing trash talk. It is great that we got some votes. I hope we build on
that. But we too often hinge everything on what we think and wish will be, and
on what we've done in the (distant) past, rather than what we're doing
now or what we've done very recently. We need to stop yapping about joining
P5 conferences, and so does Bronco. Just win games while continuing to maintain
integrity and people will take more interest. We have great tradition, a great
fan base across the nation and world, and great resources. Let's stop
coming across as the desperate wannabee and win football games, especially big
ones. And let's do so consistently. That's the best voice in the cause
for inclusion to a P5 conference or to receive the level of respect and
recognition that Notre Dame gets.
No matter how utah fans try to spin this, the fact is BYU is the best team in
the state and also the most respected.Don't give me all the
"but we've beaten BYU for 4 years in a row!" garbage.2010 has nothing to do with 2014.2011 has nothing to do with 2014.2012 has nothing to do with 2014.2013 has very little to do with
2014.Brag about the win streak all you want, but that has no bearing
on this season. The fact is, BYU is better this season. The records will show
it, the national respect will show it, and the polls are already showing it.utah fans need to stop living in the past with a win streak that
doesn't mean anything this year and a BCS bowl that doesn't mean
anything this year.
GoRedi would much rather see BYU fans commenting on a BYU article
instead of Utah fans commenting on a BYU article like usual
TaysomIt remains to be seen who is better this year. Everyone is
0-0. As far as last year, Utah played a tougher schedule, was ranked higher in
the Sagarin rankings, and beat BYU. Congradulations on being better, without
ever playing a game! Nice; but meaningless!
I don't understand because we should have some votes because me and chris
@ Jefe-Ute:How typical of a ute fan to zero in on the single vote
poll and totally ignore the 8 vote poll that BYU and USU received votes in.But even the 1 vote in the AP poll is infinitely times more votes than Utah
received in that same poll. Why is it, in your estimation that Utah is not
receiving even a single vote in any pre-season poll whatsoever?And
you think Texas will be putting BYU in its place... yes, just like you said they
would last year. And we all know how that went. Seems as if you've been
taking prediction lessons from Chris B.If you are can hardly wait
until USU beats BYU in football in Provo, then sorry to tell you, but you have a
long wait ahead of you. It's been well over 3 decades since that last
happened. And the streak won't be ending this season, either. But give USU
credit. At least they're not afraid of playing BYU... unlike another local
university has become.BTW: God didn't have anything to do with
any poll results. You're still badly misinformed.
@ Spokane Ute:Of course everyone is 0-0 this season so far.
That's why it's called a PRE-season poll.So don't give us
any of that "as far as last year goes" stuff. This article has
absolutely nothing to do with anything of any past year. Based on
all the dynamics that can be put together at this point... returners, new
players, etc., both BYU and USU are expected by both the media and the coaches
to be better teams than Utah. Therefore they are currently more respected by
both groups. It's just something that you and other Ute fans are going to
have to live with. Numbers don't lie.BYU and all it's fans
were anxious to prove who is the better team this season. But since Utah
apparently has some trepidation about the same question, we'll never know
for sure. Not this year or next. Interesting how Utah is waiting until Taysom
Hill will be graduated before being willing to resume the series.
It's interesting seeing all of the Utah fans downplaying the preseason
rankings, when we know for a fact that the same Utah fans would be screaming
like banshees about the amount of national respect they were getting if the Utes
had been ranked in the preseason polls.
Coug fans, we don't have anything to talk about until we are 2-0. We beat
Texas there, then I'll be pounding my chest. And to any
red-goggle types who keep saying Y fans would trade places with you "in a
heartbeat?" I don't know any. Power 5 conference affiliation? Sure,
if the conditions were right. Being in the basement of a conference whose other
teams don't even know you exist, let alone respect you? Nope.
Truth MachineSalt Lake City, UTUteology"Just
to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and FINAL rankings are
not..."Thanks for that clarification.AP Top 25
FinishesLifetimeBYU 17Utah 5Bronco/Kyle eraBYU 4Kyle 2That should pretty much end the debate of which
program owns the other.-------------------Yes you showed
us how much you own us by losing to a 5-7 Utah team at home. That
debate ended when you were shown throwing garbage at PAC-12 officials last year
after yet another loss to Utah at LES.Again, BYU has ONE more AP
ranking in the previous BCS era. The difference, we have a BCS Resume and our
annual beat-down of BYU.If you cared more about the scoreboard than
votes by judges you just might win Utah this decade. Please hold your breath.
UteologyOne regular season game does not a season make.BYU has THREE 11+, Top 15 finishes since 2006.That's more
than Utah has in their entire history.Utah has won a few recent
battles; BYU has won the war...decisively, it's not even
close:AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17 > Utah 511+ win
seasonsBYU 11 > Utah 2Conference Championships since BYU
and Utah joined a conference that still exists todayBYU 23 > Utah 6Bowl gamesBYU 32 > Utah 17
Despite all of their bragging, it's quite obvious that nobody is impressed
with the Utes except themselves.
@71-39Congrats. I know being ranked higher than Utah, even before
the season starts, is a Huge concern for you and many BYU fans. I realize last
year is off the table to discuss; along with head to head results over the last
4, 6 or 10 years. My mistake. Wow, I didn't realize that Utah was waiting
until Hill graduated to schedule them again. Now that's enlightening. Oh my
Goodnes! Actually, what does Utah gain by playing and beating BYU? Their fans
still don't admit they got beat by a better team. @WA AlumThanks for being the voice of all of the PAC 12 again; that's quite
an accoplishment. I take it you don't get out of Marysville often. What a
shame. This season can't start soon enough; the same old debate
has grown old and tiresome.
@WA_Alum&DadCoug fans, we don't have anything to talk about
until we are 2-0. We beat Texas there, then I'll be pounding my chest.And to any red-goggle types who keep saying Y fans would trade places
with you "in a heartbeat?" I don't know any. Power 5 conference
affiliation? Sure, if the conditions were right. Being in the basement of a
conference whose other teams don't even know you exist, let alone respect
you? Nope.-----------------Yes because respect is earned
by going 5-11 vs P5 teams as an Independent (2-5 last year) and ending the BCS
era with one airport celebration and 50,000 Quest t-shirts.Did you
ask Stanford if they respect Utah?
UteologyIt's nice for U that you've had a couple of great
seasons, but besides 2004 and 2008, has Utah ever had a team that:Finished in the Final AP Top 25, won a conference championship, and won at
least 11 games?You put on a great pretense of how great you were
during the "bcs era", but the truth is, the only reason you only stress
the bcs era is because you have absolutely no accomplishments of any
significance besides 2004 and 2008, and even 2004 is debatable as far as being
considered a significant accomplishment.
@Spokane UteTo my point: You live close to Pullman and are presumably
surrounded by Wazzou fans. When is the last time you heard any buzz *at all*
from the (red) cougar fans getting up for the big Utah game? Here
40 miles north of Seattle, I'm surrounded by both Husky and Wazzou fans. I
don't ever hear anything about U from them the week before their game with
the dreaded Utes. And I know Trojan fans don't ever talk about them. No
respect. Whereas UW fans hate playing BYU, and they all know who the blue
cougars are, ever since the 1984 season. Earn some respect in your
conference. Go worry about stepping out of that basement, and spend less time
commenting on BYU articles.
Uteology"Did you ask Stanford if they respect Utah?"Did you?If you read the post-game comments of Stanford fans
on the blogs after the game, you'll see that they were embarrassed and
humiliated to lose to the Utes.
The Cougar (WSU) fans are alway a buzz for Utah. The games have been very
competitive and the 2012 game played in the snow was a great contest. My friends
who support Washington know all about Utah; especially since they went to the
Sugar and Fiesta bowl before joining the conference, then the Sun Bowl in 2012.
I guess if you live in a vacuum; you wouldn't know anything about Utah,
WSU, or Oregon State for that matter. Utah has, and well continue to earn
respect. Ask Stanford if they respect them. Or any team that has lined up
against them for that matter. It makes no difference what they do, an extremely
biased, and anti-Utah fan from Marysville will never give them any credit; and
quite frankly I could care less. As far as commenting on BYU articles, I
didn't realize that was against the rules. I know that really upsets you
but I'm sure the Moderator will screen my comments if they are off base; so
you can rest at ease! You sure seem awfully concerned about my opinion; kinda
@DeepBlueWhat war? The BCS era just ended, please post your BCS
resume.@TheSportsAuthorityThere you go again, I
wouldn't trade you those THREE 11+ seasons to our ONE 1994 10 win season.
Why? Because in 1994 we actually finished in the top 10, you haven't done
that since 1996.Our only accomplishments were 2004 and 2008? Is
that why CBS Sports ranked us #10 and BYU #27 last decade.Last 3
years in the MWC:1. TCU 36-32. Utah 33-6 (lost to @#6 TCU,
@#12 BYU, @#11 Oregon, #2 TCU, #9 Boise, @#26 ND)3. BYU 28-11 (lost to
Arizona (8-5), FSU (7-6), @USU (4-8), @AFA, Nevada, etc.)Sorry, 2004
accomplishment is not debatable. Considering we made history and forced the BCS
rule change from top 6 to top 12. What did you do over the same period?BYU was the better program 18 years ago, some of you guys seem to think
you're still the same quality program today. Which clearly is not the
UteologyRespect is earned by winning a consensus National
Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 National Individual Awards, having 6 National
Hall of Fame players, being a perennial Top 25 team for most of the last four
decades, playing in 32 bowl games, and winning 23 conference championships
(including 10 in a row) in the last 40 years, accomplishments that are
incomprehensible to a johnny-come-lately program like Utah that didn't even
crack the AP Top 25 for the first time until 1994.Even during a
relatively slow period for BYU, the Cougars still finished with twice as many AP
Top 25 rankings and twice as many conference championships during the last 8
@ Uteology...BYU is ready and willing to show who currently has the
better team. It's Utah who backed out of the contract and is either scared
and/or unwilling to let us all find out who is now the best. We all already know
about past history.Speaking of which, the last 2 wins Utah had over
BYU were two of the weakest wins I've ever witnessed by anyone over anyone
else. The only difference was a bounce of the ball and/or a questionable call.
BYU ended both games with more yardage, more first downs and more time of
possession. I can't help but laugh every time I read some desperate fan
claim such wins mean that team owns the other. Pure silliness. It's too bad Utah didn't go ahead and honor their contract with BYU.
There's always the chance Kyle would've once again put everything into
that one game and got the win. That way, there would've at least been
something Ute fans could've had left to brag about after the shellacking
Utah will be taking in conference games and enduring yet another bowl-less
year.But now... nothing!
TroyTownAnaheim, CAUteology"Did you ask
Stanford if they respect Utah?"Did you?If you read
the post-game comments of Stanford fans on the blogs after the game, you'll
see that they were embarrassed and humiliated to lose to the Utes.---------------Not as embarrassed as Texas when they lost to BYU
and then fired their Defensive Coordinator.FYI That's how Ute
Nation feels about losing to BYU, embarrassed and humiliated, we should never
lose to a team like BYU.
Wow. A BYU fan trashing the 2004 Utah team that was one of only 2 teams ever to
win every game by 2 touchdowns. The only other team was the 95 Cornhuskers,
easily the best team of all time in college ball. Luckily you have your
undeserved national championship after beating nobody that was ranked in the
final poll. At least they came from behind to beat 6-5 Michigan. BYU is
literally a joke,just accept the fact taysom hill isn't that good, which is
why he had to leave the Pac-12. Travis Wilson is a much better quarterback. Utah
wasn't the sole FBS win for a P5 team,as BYU was for Virginia. We all know
UConn is going to beat you opening week.
This is all I have to say about great football programs that joined the Big Boy
ConferencesArizona and Arizona State - 36 years in the PACArizona -
1 PAC ChampionshipArizona State - 2 out right PAC Championships and 1 PAC
Championship shared with USC
Ironic that Cougar Nation claims that no one in the PAC-12 respects Utah but in
2011 a Ute was awarded the Morris Trophy by his peers. If
that's not respect then what is? Begging the Big 12 for an invite? How
about the SEC labeling you a lower quality program?
@Uteology,By your logic, Utah is better then Alabama, or Stanford?
LOL!Using Boise State as a measurement. BYU rules!
UteologyPlease explain how, if Utah "won the war" during the
Bronco/Kyle era, Kyle finished with half as many AP Top 25 rankings, half as
many MWC championships, a third as many 11+ win seasons, fewer bowl games, and a
worse record versus the PAC 12 than Bronco.btw, your desperate
attempt to drag TCU into the discussion, proves just how weak your spin is.
Naked TruthSalt Lake City, UtahUteology,Sure. And
Utah was definitely better than Standford last year. Upsets in college football
NEVER happen. The better team ALWAYS wins.---------------It's really simple: Stanford was an upset, BYU was not. It's not that hard to figure out that BYU is not at the same level as
Stanford:* 11-3 #11 Stanford beat FOUR ranked teams last year, 9-3
vs P5 teams* 8-5 BYU hasn't beat FOUR ranked teams in 18 years,
2-5 vs P5 teamUpsets happen like Virgina over BYU or BYU over Texas.
Utah beating BYU was not an upset considering:* BYU hasn't
beat a PAC-12 team with 4+ wins in over FOUR years* Utah hasn't lost
to a team like BYU since 2007 (unranked mid-major program)
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahUteologyPlease explain
how, if Utah "won the war" during the Bronco/Kyle era, Kyle finished
with half as many AP Top 25 rankings, half as many MWC championships, a third as
many 11+ win seasons, fewer bowl games, and a worse record versus the PAC 12
than Bronco.btw, your desperate attempt to drag TCU into the
discussion, proves just how weak your spin is.-------------But dragging Edwards accomplishments into today's discussion isn't
spin?I don't care about the Bronco/Kyle era, you do. My team
has a BCS Resume, your team doesn't.Again, BYU was great under
Edwards and Utah was horrible. There's no arguing that, but today
that's not the case.
UteologyUtah lost to BYU in 2006, 2007 and 2009; it's laughable
that you have to slice and dice the "type of team" BYU was in order to
help you sleep at night.btw, remind us that last time Utah beat a
PAC 12 team with a winning record on the road.regardless of how you
slice a dice things:Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC 12 teams,
including wins over Washington and OregonKyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC 12
teams, including winless versus Washington and OregonIt's
obvious which coach has performed better against the PAC 12.
Re: Anti-Nephi_lehiSorry but the bronco glory days are over. Why do you
think Saint Pete blew out of town and stole your recruits on his way? No
playmakers on either side of the ball. And seriously, no self-respecting bronco
fan will call Bronco Stadium anything but Bronco Stadium. Gee, I hope that
UteologyYou're incredible.You don't care about
LaVell Edwards accomplishments, because he completely outshined Utah in every
possible comparision.You don't care about the Bronco/Kyle era,
because Bronco outshined Kyle in Top 25 finishes, conference championships, bowl
game, and 11+ win seasons.The ONLY thing Kyle accomplished is one
great, flash-in-the-pan season, surrounded by lots of mediocrity and getting a
few lucky bounces to take a late 3-game lead in the head-to-head battle.Bronco accomplished something just last season that no Utah team has
ever accomplished. BYU qualified for a bowl after playing a Top 40 schedule.Bronco has already matched the longest bowl streak in Utah history and
will excede Utah's record in 2014.Utah was horrible during the
LaVell Edwards era, but the truth is, Utah has been horrible for most of their
football history.The Utes didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until
1994, 17 years after BYU was ranked in the AP Top 20 for the first time.Despite your spin, Utah has been in steady decline since their high
water mark in 2008.
A lot of preseason rankings involve just guessing what a team will be like this
year. BYU has more surety in that you pretty much know what you're going to
get, something between 8-4 and 10-2. Them essentially being in the 30s makes
sense. Utah... goodness they could be all over the place, anywhere
from 4-8 to 8-4 fairly easily. They have a lot of unknowns like QB health
(something that has crippled them in conference play their first 3 PAC years).
@TroyTown"If you read the post-game comments of Stanford fans on
the blogs after the game, you'll see that they were embarrassed and
humiliated to lose to the Utes."That's the case for pretty
much every single top 5 team that loses to an unranked team... it's not a
respect thing, it's an expectation thing. @Koloss"BYU
is literally a joke,just accept the fact taysom hill isn't that good, which
is why he had to leave the Pac-12. Travis Wilson is a much better
quarterback."That's not obvious at all. When Wilson's
healthy I consider the two to be comparable.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahUteologyUtah lost to
BYU in 2006, 2007 and 2009; it's laughable that you have to slice and dice
the "type of team" BYU was in order to help you sleep at night.btw, remind us that last time Utah beat a PAC 12 team with a winning record on
the road.-------------Utah won at Stanford in 1996, BYU
won at Arizona in 1997. What's your point?Those BYU teams were
clearly better than Utah, I have said that before.
The trash talk on here is unreal. I wonder if there has ever been this amount of
trash talk by fans of a team for them getting 8 votes in a preseason poll. All
the talk of "national respect". Really? 8 votes sounds a lot like local
Schnee look at their stats. Wilson is more accurate, he's a smarter runner
with longer rushes on average, he does it against a much tougher schedule. Face
the fact, Utah has had BYU's number for the last 20 years. They've
been locked out of the new playoff system and basically arent even an FBS team
Uteology"Utah won at Stanford in 1996, BYU won at Arizona in
1997. What's your point?"You're close, but as usual
you haven't done your homework.Utah beat Stanford(7-5) on the
road in 1996.BYU beat #14 Arizona State(9-3) on the road in 1997.When was the last time Utah beat a ranked PAC 12 team on the road?
Koloss:"Schnee look at their stats. Wilson is more accurate, he's
a smarter runner with longer rushes on average, he does it against a much
tougher schedule."This just simply is not true. Wilson was great
against Utah State, Weber State, and BYU (though not great against BYU). When he
faced tougher opponents he was horrible (kinda like Taysom). He's not
smarter...he had 16 INTs to go with his 16 TDs. Taysom had a better TD:INT
ratio. They finished with almost identical completion percentage and Taysom only
avg'd less yards per carry because he had more called runs than Wilson
(like a RB), whereas Wilson would run more from scrambling (and the avg YPC
aren't that far apart). Taysom also has a more fundamentally sound release
that is quicker than Wilson's ugly looking half-cocked side arm low release
point that will be worrisome to many NFL scouts.
Just read where Hawaii may be forced to do away with their football program due
to a 2 million dollar deficit in their program. I see a day moving forward where
a lot of state owned schools will be doing away with their football programs due
to deficits in their football programs .
Congratulations to our mid-major teams representing Utah! It's great to
see BYU and USU receiving votes.It would be interesting to see the
votes of each participant for both polls. I'm betting that Bronco and
Sarkisian accounted for the majority of BYU's votes in USA Today and
Sorensen accounted for USU's vote and the majority of BYU's votes in
the AP.The trash talk on this article makes me laugh. Spins from
fans going back to the last century when their program was relevant to calling
out a P5 program that their team can't beat as a doormat, because they were
invited to a major conference while their program wasn't. Here's hoping all of our schools in the state of Utah have a successful
@Solomon LeviFirst off the BCS era just ended, not Edwards era.
Please post your BCS resume, I am willing to read why Cougar Nation feels they
are relevant today. "Despite your spin, Utah has been in steady
decline since their high water mark in 2008."Not against your
team, 4-1 with 2 beat-downs including one at LES.Again, Utah
finished 33-6 and TCU finished 36-3 in the last 3 years in the MWC. Both teams
have declined playing in tougher leagues. So please keep dreaming
you would do any better, a team that finished 28-11 in the MWC.
We all know that preseason polls are quite meaningless. Saying something good
about USU and BYU doesn't say anything, good or bad about Utah. I'm
not sure why this comment board has turned into a conversation about Utah.
Congrat's to USU and BYU and good luck to all the football teams from Utah.
I hope they all have a great season!
Can't wait for the Aggies to bust the BCS and leave the cougs as the only
d1 team in state to not go to the BCS. But hey no one has more national
championships in august than the cougs. Rise and shout! Spirit tradition honor
longevity truth power conviction Eagle Scout
UteologyIronically, your BYU hating obsession betrays your claim of
BYU "irrelevance".Beating BYU is more relevant to U than
winning a conference championship, being ranked, finishing with a winning record
or going to a bowl.Since 2006Conference ChampionshipsBYU 2Utah 1AP Top 25 RankingsBYU 4Utah 2Winning SeasonsBYU 8Utah 6Bowl GamesBYU
8Utah 6Head-to-headBYU 3Utah 5Historically, since 1972 and during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has done better
in conference play than Utah. The evidence suggests that would still be the case
if both teams were in the PAC 12.Versus PAC 12 teamsBronco
Uncle festis"Can't wait for the Aggies to bust the
BCS..."Since the "bcs" is dead, you'll be waiting a
loooooong time."...no one has more national championships in
august than the Cougs.No one from the state of Utah has more Major
College Football National Championships, PERIOD, than BYU!-----------------UteologyIt's laughable that you
drag TCU into the discussion to help ease your own discomfort for how far Utah
has fallen since 2008. Neither Utah nor TCU had much to brag about prior to the
creation of the MWC, and neither team has had anything to brag about since
leaving the MWC.
@Solomon LeviBeating BYU is more relevant to U than winning a
conference championship, being ranked, finishing with a winning record or going
to a bowl.-----------Yet, we canceled the series and
your fans were shown pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage after yet another
home loss to Utah. Nice try. BYU has done better in conference
play than Utah? Nope, not in the MWC:Better conference record: Utah
5 seasons (BYU 6)Better overall record: Utah 7 seasons (BYU 5)MWC
Titles: Utah 4 (BYU 4)
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteology"Utah
won at Stanford in 1996, BYU won at Arizona in 1997. What's your
point?"You're close, but as usual you haven't done
your homework.Utah beat Stanford(7-5) on the road in 1996.BYU beat #14 Arizona State(9-3) on the road in 1997.When was the
last time Utah beat a ranked PAC 12 team on the road?--------------You keep changing the question. The original
question asked for a PAC 12 road win over a team with a winning record, now you
switch to a ranked team?The last time Utah THUMPED a ranked PAC-12
team on the road was in 1994:#10 Utah 34#11 Oregon 16
Do byU fans not realize that receiving 8 votes is the equivalent of one voter
ranking them at #18? Seriously? What team brags incessantly over that
preseason accomplishment? WOW!8 votes is NOT national
respect. UCF receiving 94 votes while losing so much of their team from last
year is national respect. The difference? UCF made it to, and won, a BCS bowl.
byU - well, we all know their history (or lack of) with the BCS, a history that
is destined to repeat itself under the new playoff system.And USU,
your one vote means some local voter placed them at 25. So did someone
following Nevada and Louisianan-LaFayette.At least USU has Chuckie,
a real Heisman candidate.To byU fan - have fun with Savannah State
on Senior day. Please encourage Bronco to pay tribute to the seniors before the
game, or better yet at halftime, so that people will actually be there to honor
your seniors. With that and UNLV, you have one killer of a November to look
forward to.Go Utes!
Uteology"The last time Utah THUMPED a ranked PAC-12 team on the
road was in 1994:"#10 Utah 34#11 Oregon 16Yet
even then, U weren't good enough to win a WAC championship because you
weren't capable of beating a lowly WAC team with a losing record on the
road.Typical of Utah's historic ineptitude when it comes to
winning conference championships - only 6 WAC/MWC championships in almost 50
years.And U really think the Utes have a chance of winning a PAC 12
VegasUteDo Utah fans not realize that receiving 0 votes is the
equivalent of not a single voter in the entire country giving the Utes any
respect?Yet, here U are desperately trying to belittle BYU and Utah
State for actually being respected enough by at least one voter in the national
media to be included in the poll.
Solomon LeviAlpine, UTUteology"The last time
Utah THUMPED a ranked PAC-12 team on the road was in 1994:"#10
Utah 34#11 Oregon 16Yet even then, U weren't good enough
to win a WAC championship because you weren't capable of beating a lowly
WAC team with a losing record on the road.Typical of Utah's
historic ineptitude when it comes to winning conference championships - only 6
WAC/MWC championships in almost 50 years.And U really think the Utes
have a chance of winning a PAC 12 championship?LOL----------------Why are you laughing? Utah lost by 3
on the road to 5-7 New Mexico while your team lost to Utah and got THUMPED at
home by even a worse team:Arizona State (3-8) 36BYU (10-2)
15That year ASU only beat 2 other teams: 3-7 Oregon and 4-7-1
Stanford at home. Went into Provo and humiliated BYU.
@Solomon LeviAnd U really think the Utes have a chance of winning a
PAC 12 championship?LOL!---------------We
have as much of a chance to win a PAC-12 title than you have in beating Utah at
least once this decade.
TrueBlueBYU would be ranked #43. Wow, what a ton of
"respect". Face it, none of the Utah teams are getting any respect; it
has to be earned. I'm sure we are both aware that BYU fans never belittle
Utah. Good Grief!
Uteology"Why are you laughing?"Because even with
a Top 10 AP ranking and a decisive road win over a ranked PAC 12 opponent, the
Utes still failed to win a WAC championship because they were incapable of
beating a lowly 5-7 New Mexico team.Much like 2013, you came up with
a couple of big wins versus BYU and Stanford, but still stumbled and bumbled
your way to another losing, bowl less season.
Spokane UteUtah wouldn't even be ranked, what a ton of
"respect" for a P5.Face it, the ONLY team in Utah not
getting ANY respect is Utah.
RockwellBaltimore, MDUteology"Why are you
laughing?"Because even with a Top 10 AP ranking and a decisive
road win over a ranked PAC 12 opponent, the Utes still failed to win a WAC
championship because they were incapable of beating a lowly 5-7 New Mexico
team.-------------I still fail to see what is funny.
That year was the ONLY year the WAC had THREE teams ranked in the
top 25 (#10 Utah, #16 Colorado, #22 BYU). So the conference was strong and Utah
was ranked the highest WAC team. I wouldn't trade Colorado State a WAC
championship over a top 10 finish, would you?Again, the last time
BYU had a top 10 finish was in 1996. Your last conference title, 2007. You
seem to think a WAC/MWC title is greater than a top 10 finish, which it clearly
is not.For example, a year later in 1995 Utah won a share of WAC
title, which is worthless considering we finished 7-4 and the conference was
weake, no team had more than 8 wins.
@RockwellMuch like 2013, you came up with a couple of big wins
versus BYU and Stanford, but still stumbled and bumbled your way to another
losing, bowl less season.---------Nope! Sorry, 10-2 AP
#10 is not "much like" 5-7. Even in Provo. Nope! Sorry, BYU
is not a big win since 5 other teams did the same including 2-10 Virginia. Yes, I agree beating AP #11, PAC-12 Champion Stanford is a big win.
Something your team has not done in over 18 years (beat a final ranked P5 team).
UteologyYou're failing to grasp the concept that Utah has been
a miserable failure at winning conference championships for most of the last
half century.Why?Lack of consistency.Even
during a Top 10 season, the Utes failed to win a WAC championship because of a
lack of consistency - losing to a 5-7 conference opponent.Just like
they failed to win a gift-wrapped PAC 12 South and a chance at a PAC 12
championship in 2011, because they couldn't beat a 10-loss conference
opponent.Even during Utah's heyday, Bronco won more MWC
championships than Kyle simply because Bronco was more consistent at beating
conference bottom dwellers like New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.
Kyle lost to every one of them.
"The trash talk on here is unreal. I wonder if there has ever been this
amount of trash talk by fans of a team for them getting 8 votes in a preseason
poll. All the talk of "national respect". Really? 8 votes sounds a lot
like local respect."I think the real thing to wonder about is if
there has ever been this much trash talk by fans of a team who got 0 votes, let
alone 8 votes. All the talk of "national respect". Really? 0 votes
sounds a lot like NO respect.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteologyYou're
failing to grasp the concept that Utah has been a miserable failure at winning
conference championships for most of the last half century.-------------You fail to grasp the concept that in the current era
that just ended, aka the BCS era, we have been as miserable at winning
conference championships as BYU.You seem to think that Utah is the
same program it was 16 years. Which clearly is not the case, ask the NFL if the
Utah talent is the same or better yet ask Edwards.In 2011, Utah was
only contending for a PAC-12 title because USC, the best team in the South, was
on probation. The fact that Utah finished 8-5 (4th overall) in the PAC-12 with
just one year of PAC-12 recruiting, lack of PAC-12 depth, a D2 QB, and an
injured starting RB says more than losing to Colorado. It was a
decent team, IMO they weren't even a good team. They finished 6-5 vs P5
teams, BYU (5-11) hasn't beat 6 P5 teams since going Indy.Are
you are seriously making fun of a team that took your team to the woodshed by 40
points in your own home?
What you fail to grasp is the concept that in the even more current Bronco/Kyle
era, which is still ongoing, BYU has more AP Top 25 finishes, more 11+ win
seasons, more conference championships, more bowl games, and more winning
seasons than the pretenders on the hill.Utah has won a few close
head-to-head matches with BYU to take a late lead in series during the current
era, but other than that, BYU has outperformed U overall.AP Top 25
FinishesBYU 4 > Utah 211+ Win SeasonsBYU 3 >
Utah 1Conference ChampionshipsBYU 2 > Utah 1Bowl GamesBYU 9 > Utah 7Winning SeasonsBYU 9 >
Utah 7Are your seriously mocking a program that has outperformed you
overall, simply because U were lucky enough to win a couple more extremely close
head-to-head games than BYU.Here's reality:BYU will
be playing in their 10th straight bowl in 2014. That will break Utah's
longest bowl appearance streak, but it will still only be about half as long as
BYU's longest bowl streak, which is 17.BYU qualified for a bowl
in 2013 after playing the 38th ranked SOS. Utah has never qualified for a bowl
after playing a Top 40 SOS.
TheSportsAuthorityArlington, VAWhat you fail to grasp is the
concept that in the even more current Bronco/Kyle era, which is still ongoing,
BYU has more AP Top 25 finishes, more 11+ win seasons, more conference
championships, more bowl games, and more winning seasons than the pretenders on
the hill.Utah has won a few close head-to-head matches with BYU to
take a late lead in series during the current era, but other than that, BYU has
outperformed U overall.-------------Yet, CBS Sports
ranked Utah #10 and BYU #27 over the last decade. But by all means keep telling
"Yet, CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 and BYU #27 over the last decade."It's funny how the #10 team over the last decade garners so little
national respect that they can't even muster a single vote in either the
Coaches or AP poll.
@TheSportsAuthorityAre your seriously mocking a program that has
outperformed you overall, simply because U were lucky enough to win a couple
more extremely close head-to-head games than BYU.---------No, I am mocking a program that used to come into the rivalry game always
talking about their bowl game. The same program that we now clearly
OWN, which has stopped talking about their bowl game and has become more
concerned about the lack of our bowl game only after we busted the BCS and
joined the nations 2nd toughest conference.
Uteology"I am mocking a program that used to come into the
rivalry game always talking about their bowl game."That's
because for most of the late 70's through early 90's, BYU already had
another conference title and bowl berth already locked up.The same
program thinks they "own" BYU, isn't even good enough to qualify
for a bowl.Whiny excuses about being in a tough conference, are just
that, whiny excuses. The "mighty weak" Utes who once claimed they could
compete with anybody, have simply returned to their old, mediocre, bowl less
selves after their brief 2004 and 2008 moments in the sun.
@skywalker: That's because for most of the late 70's through early
90's, BYU already had another conference title and bowl berth already
locked up.Yes I agree but clearly not since then. @skywalker: The "mighty weak" Utes who once claimed they could compete
with anybody, have simply returned to their old, mediocre, bowl less selves
after their brief 2004 and 2008 moments in the sun.No, sorry the
data shows that you are wrong:* Utah is 52-7 since 2007 vs non
PAC-12 teams* All SEVEN losses were to AP top 26 ranked teamsIf we had, BYU would easily be able to handle a 5-7 Ute team. It has more to
do with the lack of PAC-12 depth to compete in the 2nd toughest conference then
UteologyGotta laugh at your always self-serving time frames.During the Bronco/Kyle era:Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC 12
teams.Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC 12 teams.What "team
depth" are you talking about?Utah has had more than four years
(since June 2010 when Utah was invited to join the PAC 12) to recruit "PAC
12" caliber players, yet in 2013, the Utes were only 2-7(22%) versus P5
teams; BYU, as an Independent, was 2-5(29%).BYU won the same number
of games versus P5 teams as Utah, with fewer opportunities, and, BYU beat two
non-P5s that Utah has never beaten (at the FBS level).
Wait wait wait, ute fans can't get any respect by a pre-season poll so they
have to go back to 1994 to argue how they were a decent team WAY back then? My
friend and I laughed so hard at these comments. Hilarious!
@DeepBlueThe 2012 Boise State team was your first win over them.
Utah never played that team, we would have handled them considering that Utah
hasn't lost to a um-ranked mid-major since 2007.We haven't
beat Houston because we haven't played them since 1978. We would have no
problem beating Houston today just like we have no problem beating BYU.Again we have a 86% wining percentage against such teams since 2007. So the
probability is high that we would win both teams.Our first PAC-12
class are seniors this year, after 2014 we will finally have gone through a
PAC-12 cycle.Still trying to pass BYU off as a P5 team playing a
mid-major schedule? * BYU is 5-11 (31%) vs P5 teams as an
Independent. * Utah went 6-5 vs P5 teams in season one alone, 11-18
(37%) vs P5 teams since joining the PAC-12. For giggles, assume
that Ute Nation considers BYU a P5 team. That would then put us at 14-18 (44%)
vs P5 teams.
@sports fan.....but choose to completely ignore the fact that Utah is well
behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014 pre-season rankings."Exactly key to that statement PRE-SEASON rankings.....Who cares about a
PRE-SEASON ranking nobody has a clue who is good and who isn't. It's
the exact same story every year with cougie fans. Cougies are the best team in
the history of college football every pre-season until the games start and they
play any team that is even close to good in September and loose. Then all of
cougie nation hides out in Tulsa until the schedule weakens even worse and then
will come out of hiding and say even though they lost to teams in september
their still the better team......LOL!
@71-39...."I just looked at Utah's football schedule this season. It appears that the Idaho State and Fresno State games might be Utah's
only wins for quite awhile.And even the Fresno State game is iffy."Be happy the cougies don't play that schedule then because if they
did besides Idaho State they would be blown out every game. It must be rewarding
to get wins against some of the worst teams in the country.
@sports authority/phoenix/snack pac...question for you after comments like this?
"You put on a great pretense of how great you were during the "bcs
era", but the truth is, the only reason you only stress the bcs era is
because you have absolutely no accomplishments of any significance besides 2004
and 2008, and even 2004 is debatable as far as being considered a significant
accomplishment."My question is simple if cougies were better
during the "BCS ERA" why is it they never once played in a BCS bowl when
Utah played in and won 2?
@solomon Levi...."Bronco accomplished something just last season that no
Utah team has ever accomplished. BYU qualified for a bowl after playing a Top 40
schedule."Sorry that dosen't say much when they lost to any
even decent team they played and only beat the bad teams. Last
season not only did Utah yet again beat the cougies they beat a top 11 team what
was the highest ranked team the cougies beat?
2B"Sorry that dosen't say much when they lost to any even
decent team they played and only beat the bad teams."Gotta laugh
at your hyperbole trying to claim that Texas(8-5, tied for 2nd in a P5
conference) wasn't even a "decent" team.According to
your definition of "decent", Utah only beat one decent team, Stanford,
in 2013, and lost to three teams that you wouldn't even consider
"decent", Oregon State, Arizona and Washington State.What
you're really saying is Utah would have qualified for a bowl in 2013, IF
the Utes had beaten all of the bads teams they played.In other
words, all of your whiny excuses about your tough schedule, were just a coverup
for the fact that you simply weren't good enough to qualify for a bowl.