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College football: BYU, Utah State receive votes in preseason AP Top 25 poll; Florida State No. 1

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  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    2B

    "Sorry that dosen't say much when they lost to any even decent team they played and only beat the bad teams."

    Gotta laugh at your hyperbole trying to claim that Texas(8-5, tied for 2nd in a P5 conference) wasn't even a "decent" team.

    According to your definition of "decent", Utah only beat one decent team, Stanford, in 2013, and lost to three teams that you wouldn't even consider "decent", Oregon State, Arizona and Washington State.

    What you're really saying is Utah would have qualified for a bowl in 2013, IF the Utes had beaten all of the bads teams they played.

    In other words, all of your whiny excuses about your tough schedule, were just a coverup for the fact that you simply weren't good enough to qualify for a bowl.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    @solomon Levi...."Bronco accomplished something just last season that no Utah team has ever accomplished. BYU qualified for a bowl after playing a Top 40 schedule."

    Sorry that dosen't say much when they lost to any even decent team they played and only beat the bad teams.

    Last season not only did Utah yet again beat the cougies they beat a top 11 team what was the highest ranked team the cougies beat?

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    @sports authority/phoenix/snack pac...question for you after comments like this? "You put on a great pretense of how great you were during the "bcs era", but the truth is, the only reason you only stress the bcs era is because you have absolutely no accomplishments of any significance besides 2004 and 2008, and even 2004 is debatable as far as being considered a significant accomplishment."

    My question is simple if cougies were better during the "BCS ERA" why is it they never once played in a BCS bowl when Utah played in and won 2?

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    @71-39...."I just looked at Utah's football schedule this season.
    It appears that the Idaho State and Fresno State games might be Utah's only wins for quite awhile.
    And even the Fresno State game is iffy."

    Be happy the cougies don't play that schedule then because if they did besides Idaho State they would be blown out every game. It must be rewarding to get wins against some of the worst teams in the country.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    @sports fan.....but choose to completely ignore the fact that Utah is well behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014 pre-season rankings."

    Exactly key to that statement PRE-SEASON rankings.....Who cares about a PRE-SEASON ranking nobody has a clue who is good and who isn't. It's the exact same story every year with cougie fans. Cougies are the best team in the history of college football every pre-season until the games start and they play any team that is even close to good in September and loose. Then all of cougie nation hides out in Tulsa until the schedule weakens even worse and then will come out of hiding and say even though they lost to teams in september their still the better team......LOL!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    @DeepBlue

    The 2012 Boise State team was your first win over them. Utah never played that team, we would have handled them considering that Utah hasn't lost to a um-ranked mid-major since 2007.

    We haven't beat Houston because we haven't played them since 1978. We would have no problem beating Houston today just like we have no problem beating BYU.

    Again we have a 86% wining percentage against such teams since 2007. So the probability is high that we would win both teams.

    Our first PAC-12 class are seniors this year, after 2014 we will finally have gone through a PAC-12 cycle.

    Still trying to pass BYU off as a P5 team playing a mid-major schedule?

    * BYU is 5-11 (31%) vs P5 teams as an Independent.

    * Utah went 6-5 vs P5 teams in season one alone, 11-18 (37%) vs P5 teams since joining the PAC-12.

    For giggles, assume that Ute Nation considers BYU a P5 team. That would then put us at 14-18 (44%) vs P5 teams.

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:28 p.m.

    Wait wait wait, ute fans can't get any respect by a pre-season poll so they have to go back to 1994 to argue how they were a decent team WAY back then? My friend and I laughed so hard at these comments. Hilarious!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    Uteology

    Gotta laugh at your always self-serving time frames.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era:
    Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC 12 teams.
    Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC 12 teams.

    What "team depth" are you talking about?

    Utah has had more than four years (since June 2010 when Utah was invited to join the PAC 12) to recruit "PAC 12" caliber players, yet in 2013, the Utes were only 2-7(22%) versus P5 teams; BYU, as an Independent, was 2-5(29%).

    BYU won the same number of games versus P5 teams as Utah, with fewer opportunities, and, BYU beat two non-P5s that Utah has never beaten (at the FBS level).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    @skywalker: That's because for most of the late 70's through early 90's, BYU already had another conference title and bowl berth already locked up.

    Yes I agree but clearly not since then.

    @skywalker: The "mighty weak" Utes who once claimed they could compete with anybody, have simply returned to their old, mediocre, bowl less selves after their brief 2004 and 2008 moments in the sun.

    No, sorry the data shows that you are wrong:

    * Utah is 52-7 since 2007 vs non PAC-12 teams
    * All SEVEN losses were to AP top 26 ranked teams

    If we had, BYU would easily be able to handle a 5-7 Ute team. It has more to do with the lack of PAC-12 depth to compete in the 2nd toughest conference then anything else.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Uteology

    "I am mocking a program that used to come into the rivalry game always talking about their bowl game."

    That's because for most of the late 70's through early 90's, BYU already had another conference title and bowl berth already locked up.

    The same program thinks they "own" BYU, isn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl.

    Whiny excuses about being in a tough conference, are just that, whiny excuses. The "mighty weak" Utes who once claimed they could compete with anybody, have simply returned to their old, mediocre, bowl less selves after their brief 2004 and 2008 moments in the sun.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    Are your seriously mocking a program that has outperformed you overall, simply because U were lucky enough to win a couple more extremely close head-to-head games than BYU.

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    No, I am mocking a program that used to come into the rivalry game always talking about their bowl game.

    The same program that we now clearly OWN, which has stopped talking about their bowl game and has become more concerned about the lack of our bowl game only after we busted the BCS and joined the nations 2nd toughest conference.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    "Yet, CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 and BYU #27 over the last decade."

    It's funny how the #10 team over the last decade garners so little national respect that they can't even muster a single vote in either the Coaches or AP poll.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority
    Arlington, VA

    What you fail to grasp is the concept that in the even more current Bronco/Kyle era, which is still ongoing, BYU has more AP Top 25 finishes, more 11+ win seasons, more conference championships, more bowl games, and more winning seasons than the pretenders on the hill.

    Utah has won a few close head-to-head matches with BYU to take a late lead in series during the current era, but other than that, BYU has outperformed U overall.

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    Yet, CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 and BYU #27 over the last decade. But by all means keep telling your story.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    What you fail to grasp is the concept that in the even more current Bronco/Kyle era, which is still ongoing, BYU has more AP Top 25 finishes, more 11+ win seasons, more conference championships, more bowl games, and more winning seasons than the pretenders on the hill.

    Utah has won a few close head-to-head matches with BYU to take a late lead in series during the current era, but other than that, BYU has outperformed U overall.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 3 > Utah 1

    Conference Championships
    BYU 2 > Utah 1

    Bowl Games
    BYU 9 > Utah 7

    Winning Seasons
    BYU 9 > Utah 7

    Are your seriously mocking a program that has outperformed you overall, simply because U were lucky enough to win a couple more extremely close head-to-head games than BYU.

    Here's reality:

    BYU will be playing in their 10th straight bowl in 2014. That will break Utah's longest bowl appearance streak, but it will still only be about half as long as BYU's longest bowl streak, which is 17.

    BYU qualified for a bowl in 2013 after playing the 38th ranked SOS. Utah has never qualified for a bowl after playing a Top 40 SOS.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 6:43 a.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    You're failing to grasp the concept that Utah has been a miserable failure at winning conference championships for most of the last half century.

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    You fail to grasp the concept that in the current era that just ended, aka the BCS era, we have been as miserable at winning conference championships as BYU.

    You seem to think that Utah is the same program it was 16 years. Which clearly is not the case, ask the NFL if the Utah talent is the same or better yet ask Edwards.

    In 2011, Utah was only contending for a PAC-12 title because USC, the best team in the South, was on probation. The fact that Utah finished 8-5 (4th overall) in the PAC-12 with just one year of PAC-12 recruiting, lack of PAC-12 depth, a D2 QB, and an injured starting RB says more than losing to Colorado.

    It was a decent team, IMO they weren't even a good team. They finished 6-5 vs P5 teams, BYU (5-11) hasn't beat 6 P5 teams since going Indy.

    Are you are seriously making fun of a team that took your team to the woodshed by 40 points in your own home?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    "The trash talk on here is unreal. I wonder if there has ever been this amount of trash talk by fans of a team for them getting 8 votes in a preseason poll. All the talk of "national respect". Really? 8 votes sounds a lot like local respect."

    I think the real thing to wonder about is if there has ever been this much trash talk by fans of a team who got 0 votes, let alone 8 votes. All the talk of "national respect". Really? 0 votes sounds a lot like NO respect.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    Uteology

    You're failing to grasp the concept that Utah has been a miserable failure at winning conference championships for most of the last half century.

    Why?

    Lack of consistency.

    Even during a Top 10 season, the Utes failed to win a WAC championship because of a lack of consistency - losing to a 5-7 conference opponent.

    Just like they failed to win a gift-wrapped PAC 12 South and a chance at a PAC 12 championship in 2011, because they couldn't beat a 10-loss conference opponent.

    Even during Utah's heyday, Bronco won more MWC championships than Kyle simply because Bronco was more consistent at beating conference bottom dwellers like New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV. Kyle lost to every one of them.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    Much like 2013, you came up with a couple of big wins versus BYU and Stanford, but still stumbled and bumbled your way to another losing, bowl less season.

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    Nope! Sorry, 10-2 AP #10 is not "much like" 5-7. Even in Provo.

    Nope! Sorry, BYU is not a big win since 5 other teams did the same including 2-10 Virginia.

    Yes, I agree beating AP #11, PAC-12 Champion Stanford is a big win. Something your team has not done in over 18 years (beat a final ranked P5 team).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    Rockwell
    Baltimore, MD

    Uteology

    "Why are you laughing?"

    Because even with a Top 10 AP ranking and a decisive road win over a ranked PAC 12 opponent, the Utes still failed to win a WAC championship because they were incapable of beating a lowly 5-7 New Mexico team.

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    I still fail to see what is funny.

    That year was the ONLY year the WAC had THREE teams ranked in the top 25 (#10 Utah, #16 Colorado, #22 BYU). So the conference was strong and Utah was ranked the highest WAC team. I wouldn't trade Colorado State a WAC championship over a top 10 finish, would you?

    Again, the last time BYU had a top 10 finish was in 1996. Your last conference title, 2007. You seem to think a WAC/MWC title is greater than a top 10 finish, which it clearly is not.

    For example, a year later in 1995 Utah won a share of WAC title, which is worthless considering we finished 7-4 and the conference was weake, no team had more than 8 wins.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Utah wouldn't even be ranked, what a ton of "respect" for a P5.

    Face it, the ONLY team in Utah not getting ANY respect is Utah.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Why are you laughing?"

    Because even with a Top 10 AP ranking and a decisive road win over a ranked PAC 12 opponent, the Utes still failed to win a WAC championship because they were incapable of beating a lowly 5-7 New Mexico team.

    Much like 2013, you came up with a couple of big wins versus BYU and Stanford, but still stumbled and bumbled your way to another losing, bowl less season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    BYU would be ranked #43. Wow, what a ton of "respect". Face it, none of the Utah teams are getting any respect; it has to be earned. I'm sure we are both aware that BYU fans never belittle Utah. Good Grief!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    And U really think the Utes have a chance of winning a PAC 12 championship?

    LOL!

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    We have as much of a chance to win a PAC-12 title than you have in beating Utah at least once this decade.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Solomon Levi
    Alpine, UT

    Uteology

    "The last time Utah THUMPED a ranked PAC-12 team on the road was in 1994:"

    #10 Utah 34
    #11 Oregon 16

    Yet even then, U weren't good enough to win a WAC championship because you weren't capable of beating a lowly WAC team with a losing record on the road.

    Typical of Utah's historic ineptitude when it comes to winning conference championships - only 6 WAC/MWC championships in almost 50 years.

    And U really think the Utes have a chance of winning a PAC 12 championship?

    LOL

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    Why are you laughing?

    Utah lost by 3 on the road to 5-7 New Mexico while your team lost to Utah and got THUMPED at home by even a worse team:

    Arizona State (3-8) 36
    BYU (10-2) 15

    That year ASU only beat 2 other teams: 3-7 Oregon and 4-7-1 Stanford at home. Went into Provo and humiliated BYU.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    VegasUte

    Do Utah fans not realize that receiving 0 votes is the equivalent of not a single voter in the entire country giving the Utes any respect?

    Yet, here U are desperately trying to belittle BYU and Utah State for actually being respected enough by at least one voter in the national media to be included in the poll.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    "The last time Utah THUMPED a ranked PAC-12 team on the road was in 1994:"

    #10 Utah 34
    #11 Oregon 16

    Yet even then, U weren't good enough to win a WAC championship because you weren't capable of beating a lowly WAC team with a losing record on the road.

    Typical of Utah's historic ineptitude when it comes to winning conference championships - only 6 WAC/MWC championships in almost 50 years.

    And U really think the Utes have a chance of winning a PAC 12 championship?

    LOL!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 19, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    Do byU fans not realize that receiving 8 votes is the equivalent of one voter ranking them at #18? Seriously? What team brags incessantly over that preseason accomplishment?

    WOW!

    8 votes is NOT national respect. UCF receiving 94 votes while losing so much of their team from last year is national respect. The difference? UCF made it to, and won, a BCS bowl. byU - well, we all know their history (or lack of) with the BCS, a history that is destined to repeat itself under the new playoff system.

    And USU, your one vote means some local voter placed them at 25. So did someone following Nevada and Louisianan-LaFayette.

    At least USU has Chuckie, a real Heisman candidate.

    To byU fan - have fun with Savannah State on Senior day. Please encourage Bronco to pay tribute to the seniors before the game, or better yet at halftime, so that people will actually be there to honor your seniors. With that and UNLV, you have one killer of a November to look forward to.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    "Utah won at Stanford in 1996, BYU won at Arizona in 1997. What's your point?"

    You're close, but as usual you haven't done your homework.

    Utah beat Stanford(7-5) on the road in 1996.

    BYU beat #14 Arizona State(9-3) on the road in 1997.

    When was the last time Utah beat a ranked PAC 12 team on the road?

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    You keep changing the question. The original question asked for a PAC 12 road win over a team with a winning record, now you switch to a ranked team?

    The last time Utah THUMPED a ranked PAC-12 team on the road was in 1994:

    #10 Utah 34
    #11 Oregon 16

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    Beating BYU is more relevant to U than winning a conference championship, being ranked, finishing with a winning record or going to a bowl.

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    Yet, we canceled the series and your fans were shown pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage after yet another home loss to Utah. Nice try.

    BYU has done better in conference play than Utah? Nope, not in the MWC:

    Better conference record: Utah 5 seasons (BYU 6)
    Better overall record: Utah 7 seasons (BYU 5)
    MWC Titles: Utah 4 (BYU 4)

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    Uncle festis

    "Can't wait for the Aggies to bust the BCS..."

    Since the "bcs" is dead, you'll be waiting a loooooong time.

    "...no one has more national championships in august than the Cougs.

    No one from the state of Utah has more Major College Football National Championships, PERIOD, than BYU!

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    Uteology

    It's laughable that you drag TCU into the discussion to help ease your own discomfort for how far Utah has fallen since 2008. Neither Utah nor TCU had much to brag about prior to the creation of the MWC, and neither team has had anything to brag about since leaving the MWC.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    Uteology

    Ironically, your BYU hating obsession betrays your claim of BYU "irrelevance".

    Beating BYU is more relevant to U than winning a conference championship, being ranked, finishing with a winning record or going to a bowl.

    Since 2006

    Conference Championships
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    AP Top 25 Rankings
    BYU 4
    Utah 2

    Winning Seasons
    BYU 8
    Utah 6

    Bowl Games
    BYU 8
    Utah 6

    Head-to-head
    BYU 3
    Utah 5

    Historically, since 1972 and during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has done better in conference play than Utah. The evidence suggests that would still be the case if both teams were in the PAC 12.

    Versus PAC 12 teams
    Bronco 9-9(50%)
    Kyle 13-21(38%)

  • Uncle festis Pasadena, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:53 p.m.

    Can't wait for the Aggies to bust the BCS and leave the cougs as the only d1 team in state to not go to the BCS. But hey no one has more national championships in august than the cougs. Rise and shout! Spirit tradition honor longevity truth power conviction Eagle Scout

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    We all know that preseason polls are quite meaningless. Saying something good about USU and BYU doesn't say anything, good or bad about Utah. I'm not sure why this comment board has turned into a conversation about Utah. Congrat's to USU and BYU and good luck to all the football teams from Utah. I hope they all have a great season!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    First off the BCS era just ended, not Edwards era. Please post your BCS resume, I am willing to read why Cougar Nation feels they are relevant today.

    "Despite your spin, Utah has been in steady decline since their high water mark in 2008."

    Not against your team, 4-1 with 2 beat-downs including one at LES.

    Again, Utah finished 33-6 and TCU finished 36-3 in the last 3 years in the MWC. Both teams have declined playing in tougher leagues.

    So please keep dreaming you would do any better, a team that finished 28-11 in the MWC.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Congratulations to our mid-major teams representing Utah! It's great to see BYU and USU receiving votes.

    It would be interesting to see the votes of each participant for both polls. I'm betting that Bronco and Sarkisian accounted for the majority of BYU's votes in USA Today and Sorensen accounted for USU's vote and the majority of BYU's votes in the AP.

    The trash talk on this article makes me laugh. Spins from fans going back to the last century when their program was relevant to calling out a P5 program that their team can't beat as a doormat, because they were invited to a major conference while their program wasn't.

    Here's hoping all of our schools in the state of Utah have a successful 2014 season.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    Just read where Hawaii may be forced to do away with their football program due to a 2 million dollar deficit in their program. I see a day moving forward where a lot of state owned schools will be doing away with their football programs due to deficits in their football programs .

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:38 p.m.

    Koloss:
    "Schnee look at their stats. Wilson is more accurate, he's a smarter runner with longer rushes on average, he does it against a much tougher schedule."

    This just simply is not true. Wilson was great against Utah State, Weber State, and BYU (though not great against BYU). When he faced tougher opponents he was horrible (kinda like Taysom). He's not smarter...he had 16 INTs to go with his 16 TDs. Taysom had a better TD:INT ratio. They finished with almost identical completion percentage and Taysom only avg'd less yards per carry because he had more called runs than Wilson (like a RB), whereas Wilson would run more from scrambling (and the avg YPC aren't that far apart). Taysom also has a more fundamentally sound release that is quicker than Wilson's ugly looking half-cocked side arm low release point that will be worrisome to many NFL scouts.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah won at Stanford in 1996, BYU won at Arizona in 1997. What's your point?"

    You're close, but as usual you haven't done your homework.

    Utah beat Stanford(7-5) on the road in 1996.

    BYU beat #14 Arizona State(9-3) on the road in 1997.

    When was the last time Utah beat a ranked PAC 12 team on the road?

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    Aug. 18, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    Schnee look at their stats. Wilson is more accurate, he's a smarter runner with longer rushes on average, he does it against a much tougher schedule. Face the fact, Utah has had BYU's number for the last 20 years. They've been locked out of the new playoff system and basically arent even an FBS team anymore.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    The trash talk on here is unreal. I wonder if there has ever been this amount of trash talk by fans of a team for them getting 8 votes in a preseason poll. All the talk of "national respect". Really? 8 votes sounds a lot like local respect.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    Utah lost to BYU in 2006, 2007 and 2009; it's laughable that you have to slice and dice the "type of team" BYU was in order to help you sleep at night.

    btw, remind us that last time Utah beat a PAC 12 team with a winning record on the road.

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    Utah won at Stanford in 1996, BYU won at Arizona in 1997. What's your point?

    Those BYU teams were clearly better than Utah, I have said that before.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    "If you read the post-game comments of Stanford fans on the blogs after the game, you'll see that they were embarrassed and humiliated to lose to the Utes."

    That's the case for pretty much every single top 5 team that loses to an unranked team... it's not a respect thing, it's an expectation thing.

    @Koloss
    "BYU is literally a joke,just accept the fact taysom hill isn't that good, which is why he had to leave the Pac-12. Travis Wilson is a much better quarterback."

    That's not obvious at all. When Wilson's healthy I consider the two to be comparable.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    A lot of preseason rankings involve just guessing what a team will be like this year. BYU has more surety in that you pretty much know what you're going to get, something between 8-4 and 10-2. Them essentially being in the 30s makes sense.

    Utah... goodness they could be all over the place, anywhere from 4-8 to 8-4 fairly easily. They have a lot of unknowns like QB health (something that has crippled them in conference play their first 3 PAC years).

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    You're incredible.

    You don't care about LaVell Edwards accomplishments, because he completely outshined Utah in every possible comparision.

    You don't care about the Bronco/Kyle era, because Bronco outshined Kyle in Top 25 finishes, conference championships, bowl game, and 11+ win seasons.

    The ONLY thing Kyle accomplished is one great, flash-in-the-pan season, surrounded by lots of mediocrity and getting a few lucky bounces to take a late 3-game lead in the head-to-head battle.

    Bronco accomplished something just last season that no Utah team has ever accomplished. BYU qualified for a bowl after playing a Top 40 schedule.

    Bronco has already matched the longest bowl streak in Utah history and will excede Utah's record in 2014.

    Utah was horrible during the LaVell Edwards era, but the truth is, Utah has been horrible for most of their football history.

    The Utes didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994, 17 years after BYU was ranked in the AP Top 20 for the first time.

    Despite your spin, Utah has been in steady decline since their high water mark in 2008.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 18, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    Re: Anti-Nephi_lehi
    Sorry but the bronco glory days are over. Why do you think Saint Pete blew out of town and stole your recruits on his way? No playmakers on either side of the ball. And seriously, no self-respecting bronco fan will call Bronco Stadium anything but Bronco Stadium. Gee, I hope that wasn't offensive.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    Uteology

    Utah lost to BYU in 2006, 2007 and 2009; it's laughable that you have to slice and dice the "type of team" BYU was in order to help you sleep at night.

    btw, remind us that last time Utah beat a PAC 12 team with a winning record on the road.

    regardless of how you slice a dice things:

    Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC 12 teams, including wins over Washington and Oregon
    Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC 12 teams, including winless versus Washington and Oregon

    It's obvious which coach has performed better against the PAC 12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    Please explain how, if Utah "won the war" during the Bronco/Kyle era, Kyle finished with half as many AP Top 25 rankings, half as many MWC championships, a third as many 11+ win seasons, fewer bowl games, and a worse record versus the PAC 12 than Bronco.

    btw, your desperate attempt to drag TCU into the discussion, proves just how weak your spin is.

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    But dragging Edwards accomplishments into today's discussion isn't spin?

    I don't care about the Bronco/Kyle era, you do. My team has a BCS Resume, your team doesn't.

    Again, BYU was great under Edwards and Utah was horrible. There's no arguing that, but today that's not the case.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Naked Truth
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology,

    Sure. And Utah was definitely better than Standford last year. Upsets in college football NEVER happen. The better team ALWAYS wins.

    ---------------

    It's really simple: Stanford was an upset, BYU was not.

    It's not that hard to figure out that BYU is not at the same level as Stanford:

    * 11-3 #11 Stanford beat FOUR ranked teams last year, 9-3 vs P5 teams

    * 8-5 BYU hasn't beat FOUR ranked teams in 18 years, 2-5 vs P5 team

    Upsets happen like Virgina over BYU or BYU over Texas. Utah beating BYU was not an upset considering:

    * BYU hasn't beat a PAC-12 team with 4+ wins in over FOUR years
    * Utah hasn't lost to a team like BYU since 2007 (unranked mid-major program)

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Uteology

    Please explain how, if Utah "won the war" during the Bronco/Kyle era, Kyle finished with half as many AP Top 25 rankings, half as many MWC championships, a third as many 11+ win seasons, fewer bowl games, and a worse record versus the PAC 12 than Bronco.

    btw, your desperate attempt to drag TCU into the discussion, proves just how weak your spin is.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    @Uteology,

    By your logic, Utah is better then Alabama, or Stanford? LOL!

    Using Boise State as a measurement. BYU rules!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    Ironic that Cougar Nation claims that no one in the PAC-12 respects Utah but in 2011 a Ute was awarded the Morris Trophy by his peers.

    If that's not respect then what is? Begging the Big 12 for an invite? How about the SEC labeling you a lower quality program?

  • Gilligan West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    This is all I have to say about great football programs that joined the Big Boy Conferences
    Arizona and Arizona State - 36 years in the PAC
    Arizona - 1 PAC Championship
    Arizona State - 2 out right PAC Championships and 1 PAC Championship shared with USC

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    Wow. A BYU fan trashing the 2004 Utah team that was one of only 2 teams ever to win every game by 2 touchdowns. The only other team was the 95 Cornhuskers, easily the best team of all time in college ball. Luckily you have your undeserved national championship after beating nobody that was ranked in the final poll. At least they came from behind to beat 6-5 Michigan.
    BYU is literally a joke,just accept the fact taysom hill isn't that good, which is why he had to leave the Pac-12. Travis Wilson is a much better quarterback. Utah wasn't the sole FBS win for a P5 team,as BYU was for Virginia. We all know UConn is going to beat you opening week.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    TroyTown
    Anaheim, CA

    Uteology

    "Did you ask Stanford if they respect Utah?"

    Did you?

    If you read the post-game comments of Stanford fans on the blogs after the game, you'll see that they were embarrassed and humiliated to lose to the Utes.

    ---------------

    Not as embarrassed as Texas when they lost to BYU and then fired their Defensive Coordinator.

    FYI That's how Ute Nation feels about losing to BYU, embarrassed and humiliated, we should never lose to a team like BYU.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    @ Uteology...

    BYU is ready and willing to show who currently has the better team. It's Utah who backed out of the contract and is either scared and/or unwilling to let us all find out who is now the best. We all already know about past history.

    Speaking of which, the last 2 wins Utah had over BYU were two of the weakest wins I've ever witnessed by anyone over anyone else. The only difference was a bounce of the ball and/or a questionable call. BYU ended both games with more yardage, more first downs and more time of possession. I can't help but laugh every time I read some desperate fan claim such wins mean that team owns the other. Pure silliness.

    It's too bad Utah didn't go ahead and honor their contract with BYU. There's always the chance Kyle would've once again put everything into that one game and got the win. That way, there would've at least been something Ute fans could've had left to brag about after the shellacking Utah will be taking in conference games and enduring yet another bowl-less year.

    But now... nothing!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    Respect is earned by winning a consensus National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 National Individual Awards, having 6 National Hall of Fame players, being a perennial Top 25 team for most of the last four decades, playing in 32 bowl games, and winning 23 conference championships (including 10 in a row) in the last 40 years, accomplishments that are incomprehensible to a johnny-come-lately program like Utah that didn't even crack the AP Top 25 for the first time until 1994.

    Even during a relatively slow period for BYU, the Cougars still finished with twice as many AP Top 25 rankings and twice as many conference championships during the last 8 seasons.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    @DeepBlue

    What war? The BCS era just ended, please post your BCS resume.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    There you go again, I wouldn't trade you those THREE 11+ seasons to our ONE 1994 10 win season. Why? Because in 1994 we actually finished in the top 10, you haven't done that since 1996.

    Our only accomplishments were 2004 and 2008? Is that why CBS Sports ranked us #10 and BYU #27 last decade.

    Last 3 years in the MWC:

    1. TCU 36-3
    2. Utah 33-6 (lost to @#6 TCU, @#12 BYU, @#11 Oregon, #2 TCU, #9 Boise, @#26 ND)
    3. BYU 28-11 (lost to Arizona (8-5), FSU (7-6), @USU (4-8), @AFA, Nevada, etc.)

    Sorry, 2004 accomplishment is not debatable. Considering we made history and forced the BCS rule change from top 6 to top 12. What did you do over the same period?

    BYU was the better program 18 years ago, some of you guys seem to think you're still the same quality program today. Which clearly is not the case.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    The Cougar (WSU) fans are alway a buzz for Utah. The games have been very competitive and the 2012 game played in the snow was a great contest. My friends who support Washington know all about Utah; especially since they went to the Sugar and Fiesta bowl before joining the conference, then the Sun Bowl in 2012. I guess if you live in a vacuum; you wouldn't know anything about Utah, WSU, or Oregon State for that matter. Utah has, and well continue to earn respect. Ask Stanford if they respect them. Or any team that has lined up against them for that matter. It makes no difference what they do, an extremely biased, and anti-Utah fan from Marysville will never give them any credit; and quite frankly I could care less. As far as commenting on BYU articles, I didn't realize that was against the rules. I know that really upsets you but I'm sure the Moderator will screen my comments if they are off base; so you can rest at ease! You sure seem awfully concerned about my opinion; kinda Creepy.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Did you ask Stanford if they respect Utah?"

    Did you?

    If you read the post-game comments of Stanford fans on the blogs after the game, you'll see that they were embarrassed and humiliated to lose to the Utes.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute
    To my point: You live close to Pullman and are presumably surrounded by Wazzou fans. When is the last time you heard any buzz *at all* from the (red) cougar fans getting up for the big Utah game?

    Here 40 miles north of Seattle, I'm surrounded by both Husky and Wazzou fans. I don't ever hear anything about U from them the week before their game with the dreaded Utes. And I know Trojan fans don't ever talk about them. No respect. Whereas UW fans hate playing BYU, and they all know who the blue cougars are, ever since the 1984 season.

    Earn some respect in your conference. Go worry about stepping out of that basement, and spend less time commenting on BYU articles.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's nice for U that you've had a couple of great seasons, but besides 2004 and 2008, has Utah ever had a team that:

    Finished in the Final AP Top 25, won a conference championship, and won at least 11 games?

    You put on a great pretense of how great you were during the "bcs era", but the truth is, the only reason you only stress the bcs era is because you have absolutely no accomplishments of any significance besides 2004 and 2008, and even 2004 is debatable as far as being considered a significant accomplishment.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    @WA_Alum&Dad

    Coug fans, we don't have anything to talk about until we are 2-0. We beat Texas there, then I'll be pounding my chest.

    And to any red-goggle types who keep saying Y fans would trade places with you "in a heartbeat?" I don't know any. Power 5 conference affiliation? Sure, if the conditions were right. Being in the basement of a conference whose other teams don't even know you exist, let alone respect you? Nope.

    -----------------

    Yes because respect is earned by going 5-11 vs P5 teams as an Independent (2-5 last year) and ending the BCS era with one airport celebration and 50,000 Quest t-shirts.

    Did you ask Stanford if they respect Utah?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    @71-39

    Congrats. I know being ranked higher than Utah, even before the season starts, is a Huge concern for you and many BYU fans. I realize last year is off the table to discuss; along with head to head results over the last 4, 6 or 10 years. My mistake. Wow, I didn't realize that Utah was waiting until Hill graduated to schedule them again. Now that's enlightening. Oh my Goodnes! Actually, what does Utah gain by playing and beating BYU? Their fans still don't admit they got beat by a better team.

    @WA Alum

    Thanks for being the voice of all of the PAC 12 again; that's quite an accoplishment. I take it you don't get out of Marysville often. What a shame.

    This season can't start soon enough; the same old debate has grown old and tiresome.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Despite all of their bragging, it's quite obvious that nobody is impressed with the Utes except themselves.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    Uteology

    One regular season game does not a season make.

    BYU has THREE 11+, Top 15 finishes since 2006.

    That's more than Utah has in their entire history.

    Utah has won a few recent battles; BYU has won the war...

    decisively, it's not even close:

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17 > Utah 5

    11+ win seasons
    BYU 11 > Utah 2

    Conference Championships since BYU and Utah joined a conference that still exists today
    BYU 23 > Utah 6

    Bowl games
    BYU 32 > Utah 17

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    Truth Machine
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Uteology

    "Just to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and FINAL rankings are not..."

    Thanks for that clarification.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Lifetime
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU 4
    Kyle 2

    That should pretty much end the debate of which program owns the other.

    -------------------

    Yes you showed us how much you own us by losing to a 5-7 Utah team at home.

    That debate ended when you were shown throwing garbage at PAC-12 officials last year after yet another loss to Utah at LES.

    Again, BYU has ONE more AP ranking in the previous BCS era. The difference, we have a BCS Resume and our annual beat-down of BYU.

    If you cared more about the scoreboard than votes by judges you just might win Utah this decade. Please hold your breath.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Coug fans, we don't have anything to talk about until we are 2-0. We beat Texas there, then I'll be pounding my chest.

    And to any red-goggle types who keep saying Y fans would trade places with you "in a heartbeat?" I don't know any. Power 5 conference affiliation? Sure, if the conditions were right. Being in the basement of a conference whose other teams don't even know you exist, let alone respect you? Nope.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    It's interesting seeing all of the Utah fans downplaying the preseason rankings, when we know for a fact that the same Utah fans would be screaming like banshees about the amount of national respect they were getting if the Utes had been ranked in the preseason polls.

  • 71-39 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute:

    Of course everyone is 0-0 this season so far. That's why it's called a PRE-season poll.
    So don't give us any of that "as far as last year goes" stuff. This article has absolutely nothing to do with anything of any past year.

    Based on all the dynamics that can be put together at this point... returners, new players, etc., both BYU and USU are expected by both the media and the coaches to be better teams than Utah. Therefore they are currently more respected by both groups. It's just something that you and other Ute fans are going to have to live with. Numbers don't lie.

    BYU and all it's fans were anxious to prove who is the better team this season. But since Utah apparently has some trepidation about the same question, we'll never know for sure. Not this year or next. Interesting how Utah is waiting until Taysom Hill will be graduated before being willing to resume the series.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    @ Jefe-Ute:

    How typical of a ute fan to zero in on the single vote poll and totally ignore the 8 vote poll that BYU and USU received votes in.
    But even the 1 vote in the AP poll is infinitely times more votes than Utah received in that same poll.
    Why is it, in your estimation that Utah is not receiving even a single vote in any pre-season poll whatsoever?

    And you think Texas will be putting BYU in its place... yes, just like you said they would last year. And we all know how that went. Seems as if you've been taking prediction lessons from Chris B.

    If you are can hardly wait until USU beats BYU in football in Provo, then sorry to tell you, but you have a long wait ahead of you. It's been well over 3 decades since that last happened. And the streak won't be ending this season, either. But give USU credit. At least they're not afraid of playing BYU... unlike another local university has become.

    BTW: God didn't have anything to do with any poll results. You're still badly misinformed.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    I don't understand because we should have some votes because me and chris voted.

    Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Taysom

    It remains to be seen who is better this year. Everyone is 0-0. As far as last year, Utah played a tougher schedule, was ranked higher in the Sagarin rankings, and beat BYU. Congradulations on being better, without ever playing a game! Nice; but meaningless!

  • Boy of Fall Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    GoRed

    i would much rather see BYU fans commenting on a BYU article instead of Utah fans commenting on a BYU article like usual

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    No matter how utah fans try to spin this, the fact is BYU is the best team in the state and also the most respected.

    Don't give me all the "but we've beaten BYU for 4 years in a row!" garbage.

    2010 has nothing to do with 2014.
    2011 has nothing to do with 2014.
    2012 has nothing to do with 2014.
    2013 has very little to do with 2014.

    Brag about the win streak all you want, but that has no bearing on this season. The fact is, BYU is better this season. The records will show it, the national respect will show it, and the polls are already showing it.

    utah fans need to stop living in the past with a win streak that doesn't mean anything this year and a BCS bowl that doesn't mean anything this year.

  • 4Freedom Columbus, OH
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    As an avid BYU fan, I also wish my fellow BYU fans would stop the silly, embarrassing trash talk. It is great that we got some votes. I hope we build on that. But we too often hinge everything on what we think and wish will be, and on what we've done in the (distant) past, rather than what we're doing now or what we've done very recently. We need to stop yapping about joining P5 conferences, and so does Bronco. Just win games while continuing to maintain integrity and people will take more interest. We have great tradition, a great fan base across the nation and world, and great resources. Let's stop coming across as the desperate wannabee and win football games, especially big ones. And let's do so consistently. That's the best voice in the cause for inclusion to a P5 conference or to receive the level of respect and recognition that Notre Dame gets.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Just to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and FINAL rankings are not..."

    Thanks for that clarification.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Lifetime
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU 4
    Kyle 2

    That should pretty much end the debate of which program owns the other.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    thebigsamoan:

    As always, you are a gentleman and a scholar. You are one of the most level headed posters from either side of the fence, and I (for one) appreciate it.

    I just can't wait for the season to begin. The preseason polls and predictions are fun, but don't mean a single thing until the games are actually played.

    Outside of the Utah games and watching such an amazing schedule, I am really looking forward to watching Chuckie play.

    Go Utes!
    Have a great season Chuckie!

  • 71-39 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    I just looked at Utah's football schedule this season.
    It appears that the Idaho State and Fresno State games might be Utah's only wins for quite awhile.
    And even the Fresno State game is iffy.

    By mid-season, Wilson will be wanting to hand the reigns over to Taylor or anyone else who will take them at that point.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    @ AggieAndee - Holladay, UT - "This year it can't be denied. Utah State will march into Provo and beat BYU. The national media thinks so by giving the Aggies a lot more votes as a top program."

    Interesting, but false.

    BYU received more votes (8) than your beloved Aggies (1).

    Oops.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    The bottom line and (should be) final word...

    BYU and USU football programs received some national respect this past weekend, while Utah received none.
    End of story.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Hmmmm.....BYU gets some votes but Utah is nowhere to be found. Nowhere.

    But, hey, life is good just being in the PAC-12, right?....

    Go Cougars!

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    @ Uteology:

    Since the final rankings of the current season can't be made yet, the only thing we can all go by are the current pre-season rankings. They are currently more relevant than any past season rankings. But if the past is all you are interested in, BYU has finished ahead of Utah multiple times more often. Overall, it's hardly even comparable.

    If Utah owns anyone, it would be Weber State, since that is the only team it has both consistently beat and finished the season ranked ahead of. Before the past 4 seasons, BYU beat Utah 3 of the previous 4 games. And so it has continued... back and forth... back and forth. And now that it's BYU's turn to go on another mini-winning streak, Utah turns tail and runs away. That certainly doesn't seem to be a team that owns anyone else... especially not the Y.

    Using a more meaningful dynamic, in the last 2 decades BYU has finished ahead of Utah in the final poll rankings decisively more times. Based on those telling numbers, one would have to conclude that BYU definitely "owns" Utah.

    I hope that helps!

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    johninslc

    "the Utes aren't in a small town and don't have a paid house organ who writes for a state-owned paper while running around with red and white Pom-pons."

    Don't kid yourself; the SLTrib is an avid Ute supporter, but even they can see how mediocre and over-hyped Utah's football program has become.

    The fact that the Utes have only finished in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history is proof enough of Utah's lack of national relevance despite the frenzied ascertions to the contrary from the hill.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    Haha! The smack talk is so thick on here already! I might fall out of my chair during this break laughing so hard!

    @AggieAndy Utah State hasn't won in Provo since 1978, clear back when Jimmie Carter was President. I don't see that history reversing itself anytime soon, although Chuckie Keaton won't have Kyle VanNoy to abuse him this year... just newer Cougars licking their chops! Chuckie won't get lucky.

    @TomahawkRed Utah is clearly the biggest chicken of all the programs, although they now refuse to play Utah State in Logan as should BYU. Even if BYU drops their program later this decade, Utah State will NEVER be a big time as BYU or Utah are. In such a scenario UVU will fill the BYU void very quickly and be the next Boise State, with the Aggie s merely being another "FCS should be."

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Good to see 5 of BYU's scheduled opponents also receiving votes. Great schedule this year, strong but not overpowering. This year has a lot of potential.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Just to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and FINAL rankings are not, take your time to analyze that statement."

    Yet, PRESEAONS SOS rankings are carved in granite, at least according to the kids on the hill.

    You know, your "opinions" might be considered a little more seriously if you showed the tiniest smidgeon of consistency.

    btw, OWNING someone is soundly beating them year after year after year. Since 14 of the last 17 head-to-head games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the final minutes or in overtime, and the Utes have only won a slight 8-6 majority of those games, your definition of "owning" anything is grossly exaggerated.

    The truth is, you've gotten extremenly lucky that BYU hasn't won more of those coin-flip games.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs,

    "Enjoy your place at the table even if it's as the dessert or side salad."

    You must be thinking about the prearranged beach bowl. lol.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    @ thebibsamoan and YaskY...thank you! I read 20+ ridiculous comments with absolute senseless trash talk before I got to your comments. Its always refreshing to see that there are still some common sense fans out there. Very few, but still some.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    JohnInSLC,

    Wow, the spin is strong with this one. I think you might have a career in D.C.!

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Uteology,

    Sure. And Utah was definitely better than Standford last year. Upsets in college football NEVER happen. The better team ALWAYS wins.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    "Forget national relevance; the Utes don't even have local relevance!"

    What's obvious is that they're the most relevant team in happy valley. lol.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    "Forget national relevance; the Utes don't even have local relevance!"

    mussing:

    I think what you meant to say is the Utes aren't in a small town and don't have a paid house organ who writes for a state-owned paper while running around with red and white Pom-pons.

    But hey, the cougs and Aggies do, so yeah, run with it.

    lol

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    @SportsFan

    It's laughable how you made a big deal out of the U finishing ONE place ahead of BYU in Sagarin last year, but choose to completely ignore the fact that Utah is well behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014 pre-season rankings.

    PAC10.2

    "Yet BYU and USU are still the number 2 and 3 best teams in the state."

    Says who? The fans of a team that was projected to finish 5th in a 6-team division and not qualify for a bowl for the 3rd straigh season?

    LOL!

    -----------

    No, says the fan of a team that OWNS your team.

    It's funny how head-head is meaningless to BYU fans today BYU is a guarantee win, they have nothing to do with if Utah makes a bowl game or not. Yet, BYU fans can't stop laughing. Go figure!

    I will let you on a secret, preseason polls mean nothing compared to the final poll. Sagarin means nothing compared to the scoreboard year-after-year-after-year-after-year.

    I hope that helps!

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    @ Tomahawk Red:

    I know a lot of BYU fans. In fact many BYU fans. Undoubtedly, many more than you.
    And not a single one has indicated any desire to want to trade places with Utah. Not one.
    So keep up the self-delusion if you must. But please realize that that's all it is... and nothing more.

    Why would any football program that has gone to 9 straight bowl games (and counting) ever want to exchange places with a program that hasn't even qualified for a bowl game in multiple years?
    Answer: They wouldn't.

    Why would a football program who has received much more national ranking and recognition ever want to trade places with a team that has received much less of each over this past decade?
    Answer: They wouldn't.

    Why would a program that plays on national TV (ESPN) almost every week ever want to trade places with a program that only a fraction as many people can watch (on the PAC Network only)?
    Answer: They wouldn't.

    There you have it. The reasons Y there is no desire to trade places with U and Y there is no jealousy of U.

  • Simpe Spectator St.George, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    hahaha I love how everyone is bagging on Utah. Look at strength of schedule. BYU is going to play teams with a winning average of 41%. Do I need to say anything else?! They are obviously going to have a good season. Playing teams that are very comparable to Nebraska community college of Agriculture will give you a great record but in the end it doesn't prove anything. Also, everyone keeps asking where's Utah....Utah beat BYU 4 years in a row. My 4 year old sons birthday wish this year was to be able to see BYU beat Utah during his childhood. Gosh lets stop getting all riled up about a team who will have little relevance at the end of the season!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    Tommy:
    "But, such is life inside the P5. Little mid majors always nipping at your ankles trying to bring you down. Always trying to make believe that somehow, some way, their little non power programs are somehow superior... "

    This is hilarious. It was less than 4 years ago that Utah was a "mid-major" nipping at heels and the "fly in the ointment". Despite the delusions of grandeur the truth is, Tommy, Utah still is a mid-major program with mid-major coaching, mid-major fanbase, and mid-major respect. Changing your address and getting paid by the big dogs to be abused and pad their wins doesn't change any of that. U aren't a "power" program and never will be. Ask Texas if they think Iowa State is a "power" program. Ask Ohio State if they think Rutgers or Maryland are "power" programs. Ask Florida State if they think Wake Forest is a "power" program. Enjoy your place at the table even if it's as the dessert or side salad.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT

    Uteology

    "Just 8 and 1 vote? I thought BYU and Utah State were contenders for the playoffs this year?"

    Eight votes and one vote are better than NONE!

    It's laughable how you made a big deal out of the U finishing ONE place ahead of BYU in Sagarin last year, but choose to completely ignore the fact that Utah is well behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014 pre-season rankings.

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    Well behind? Utah is 1 vote behind Utah State and 8 votes behind BYU, with 0 games played. That's about one impressive TD away from overtaking both programs in the AP.

    Just to be clear PRESEASON rankings are meaningless and FINAL rankings are not, take your time to analyze that statement.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    My, my, my how times have changed.

    Wasn't it just a few seasons ago, that Utah fans were crowing about the Utes being "ranked" in Phil Steele's pre-season Top 25?

    Of course, that was then, this is now.

    Since that national media have chosen to completely ignore that little pretender on the hill, all of the pre-season prognostications are now completely meaningless.

    No worries though. IF the Utes ever reason any pre-season pub in the future, you can bet the ranch that we'll never hear the end of it from the hill crowd.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    @ AggieAndee:

    Apparently, math must not be a strong suit of some Aggie supporters. The articles clearly points out that BYU received more national votes than any other school in the state. But congratulations to the Aggies for getting the second most votes. But nothing in the voting results indicates that the Aggies will go into Provo and win anything. Maybe someday. But not anytime soon.

    @ PAC12Fan:

    When you say "our shoes", are you from Weber State, Southern Utah or even Snow College? Because those are the only other teams in the state moving up in the college "football learning curve".
    There is a legitimate reason Utah didn't receive any votes whatsoever.
    And receiving no votes certainly doesn't make any other program who has received votes want to be in their shoes.
    Some interesting and humorous signs of Ute fan paranoia are now coming out into the open.
    @ Uteology:

    I'm not sure how good your math is. But any votes are better than no votes.

    @ GoRed:

    Getting no national votes would make me go red too. That's quite embarrassing.
    Cougar and Aggie program self-worth is somewhat connected to receiving national recognition... not the hill.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Remind us how many votes the Utes got from the SLTrib or the Daily Chrony.

    Forget national relevance; the Utes don't even have local relevance!

    LOL!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    65toss

    "to receive votes in a poll is nothing to crow about"

    True.

    But it is hilarious to see the angst even a couple of votes can cause amongst the hill crowd.

    Their whole narrative about being on the "inside looking out" is being destroyed.

    They've become the "kings of nothing".

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    "Eight votes and one vote are better than NONE!"

    cougfan:

    Let's see: Thse 8 votes for the cougs came from the DNews and Daily Herald sports writers, plus Hans Olsen. And the one Aggie vote came from the lone Logan paper beat writer.

    National relevance? That's funny!

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    Because of course pre-season polls are definitive declarations of a team's quality. Historically, they are slightly (~5%) more accurate than me jotting down my top 25.

    I'll save my trash talk for something that is the result of actual games.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:53 a.m.

    Just the headline, "College football: BYU, Utah State receive votes in preseason AP Top 25 poll",
    is enough to make the jolly gang on the hill green with envy.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    Seriously, to receive votes in a poll is nothing to crow about. However, it is funny that the local P-5 team isn't even on the radar. That's what happens when you become the Iowa State and Indiana of a P-5 conference.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    ekute

    Just like the 80's, BYU has once again become Utah's bowl game; the Utes obviously consider the BYU game to be the most important game of their season, since that's all Utah fans ever talk about.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    tinplater

    "Fact is USU and BYU are not potential top 25 teams."

    That all depends on how they start the season.

    If either, or both, make it through September undefeated, they'll definitely crack the Top 25.

  • Anti-Nephi-Lehi Boise, ID
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    And even more appropriately - Boise State got more love in the poll than either USU or BYU. Both teams will be Bronco fodder as they enter Albertson's Stadium this year - no doubt.

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    PAC12Fan,

    It would also seem Utah is clueless as to the big boy learning curve.

    USU needs to get over the hump against P5 teams. Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, USC all close, all evenly matched games. All losses. USU maxes out their talent with superb execution. Just need some luck.

    BYU...well, beat UCONN, meh. Beat Texas and then there is a conversation. BYU only has four real games to prove themselves this year.

    Utah, I hope they have a winning season because it's UTah. However, given their avoiding USU in basketball and football lately--games USU really needs--I'm less interested in Utah overall.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    sammyg,

    Enjoy your moral victories over the U as I have enjoyed the scoreboard victories over byu.

    Name-calling is one of the most common tactics people use to hurt others or disparage them. It often occurs when someone has an emotional argument to make with little or no supporting logical argument.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    Y-ask-Y

    "To my fellow Cougar fans, talking smack is one thing, but this is embarrassing."

    It is.

    For the U.

    Never has a fan base beaten their chests so incessantly for accomplishing absolutely NOTHING!

    4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18 overall, and back-to-back losing, bowl less seasons, yet Utah fans still brag about "being on the inside looking out".

    In reality, the Utes are on the bottom, looking up. They obviously haven't noticed that glass ceiling above them or the sign saying, "this area reserved for the real big boys, bottom dwelling pretenders stay out".

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    @uteology,
    Fact is USU and BYU are not potential top 25 teams. But the overriding point also is, no one wanted to waste even a single vote on the Utes, who are in a power conference, bigger fan base, more money. Congrats to the Aggies who have risen from worse than mediocrity and getting some measure of national respect.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    It's great to see BYU and Utah State representing the state in the polls and being recognized by the national media as potential playoff contenders.

    More evidence that the Utes are steadily falling behind BYU and Utah State despite Utah's supposed P5 status "superiority".

    The Utes have become the Indiana of the PAC 12, only less accomplished.

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    To my fellow Cougar fans, talking smack is one thing, but this is embarrassing. Give it a rest.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    "That must be burning white hot in your collective craws."

    No Tommy. But what we collectively understand is that utah football is inferior and irrelevant, which these polls clearly confirm. Ha ha ha.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    Why are you even commenting on a BYU/Utah State article?

    Rankings are all about how your team is, not how good your opponents or conference are.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    As much as I cringe at the Utes facing such a tough schedule, I at the same time wish our Cougars play a similar one ourselves. I know it's a huge challenge but the rewards if you win is immense in terms of respect and credibility on the national level. So in that sense, I do think the Utes are in a great situation. If by any luck they come out smoking and surprise us, then all will be well on the hill and Coach K.W's job will be safe. The only down side I dread on that scenario will be the endless and incessant mocking and put downs from their BYU hater Ute fans, most especially the one with his countless aliases that doesn't miss a chance to dump on BYU every chance he gets.

    Go Cougars! Good luck to Utes and Aggies too!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    It must be hard on the outside, looking in.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    tommy red

    Jealous of what? Not being good enough to get a single vote in either poll?

    LOL!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Just 8 and 1 vote? I thought BYU and Utah State were contenders for the playoffs this year?"

    Eight votes and one vote are better than NONE!

    It's laughable how you made a big deal out of the U finishing ONE place ahead of BYU in Sagarin last year, but choose to completely ignore the fact that Utah is well behind BYU and Utah State in the 2014 pre-season rankings.

    Of course, we all know that the kids on the hill would be beating their chests if the Utes were receiving votes, and the Cougars, not, but that's just another example of the inconsistency of the crimson-goggles wearing crowd.

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    PAC10.2

    "Yet BYU and USU are still the number 2 and 3 best teams in the state."

    Says who? The fans of a team that was projected to finish 5th in a 6-team division and not qualify for a bowl for the 3rd straigh season?

    LOL!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 6:55 a.m.

    ikute

    Langi is wearing blue. Get over it.

    #saveourgirlse

  • Jefe-Ute Richmond, VA
    Aug. 18, 2014 6:19 a.m.

    Pre-season means nothing and BYU shows us that every year. Taysom is on the Heisman radar and yet his backup is outplaying him in scrimmage. BYU has 1 vote. That's right 1 vote in the AP poll and everyone thinks BYU is receiving a gift from God. Texas will show BYU who they really are and no one will be talking about BYU in the end.

    Utah will be just fine and they will show it on the field. Good luck with the victories against the best of the best......nothing better than beating a few High school teams each year. Does that make BYU a bully?

    I think Utah state will beat BYU this year and can't wait to see it.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 17, 2014 11:57 p.m.

    Ha ha ha the jealous tears of every coog fan who's posted so far are delicious!

    Nope, no Utah votes. Yet all the BYU fans would still trade places with Utah in a heartbeat if they could. Means they're doing something right.

    But, such is life inside the P5. Little mid majors always nipping at your ankles trying to bring you down. Always trying to make believe that somehow, some way, their little non power programs are somehow superior... despite the fact that no P5 will be coming for you, nor can you even beat that so-called "inferior team" anymore. Four straight losses to said "inferior" team.

    And most of you fully understand that BYU football wouldn't be whiffing any votes if they actually played on the big boy level. That must be burning white hot in your collective craws.

    LOL

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 11:49 p.m.

    Yet BYU and USU are still the number 2 and 3 best teams in the state. Both teams would love to be in our shoes yet are clueless on the big boy football learning curve.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    This article is on both BYU and Utah State receiving a few votes in the AP poll, and yet 7 of the first 13 commenters here all on the Utes. It's too bad that many BYU fans' self worth is based on what goes on up on the hill.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2014 10:56 p.m.

    Wow! More trash talk about Utah than celebrating your own accomplishment. Sounds like Max Hall syndrome.

    Just 8 and 1 vote? I thought BYU and Utah State were contenders for the playoffs this year? Only about 1316 votes from contending for the 4th playoff spot.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    For all the jokes about irrelevance of different programs, who cares about any of this -- no one has played a game yet. We can make all the jokes we want, but everyone is winless at the moment.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 17, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    And BYU plays five teams who received votes.

    A big upgrade from the MWC years, but not crazily bold as joining a conference like the PAC 11 where they would lose two or three a year.

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 9:50 p.m.

    It is good to know where BYU stands in the eyes of the prognosticators. I do, however, think that Utah is better than no votes. I hope all our state teams do well this year and that all three enter next year in the top 25. Good luck to everyone this season.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    i would put BYU about 35 and USU about 24.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Aug. 17, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    What, no Utah? "What a hoot, if you're a Ute". No recognition as football entity at all. It's gonna be a long season if you're a Ute!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 17, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    Come on, friends, we have bigger things to worry about starting right now than Utah. And they have been telling us now for years they have bigger and better things to worry about than BYU.

    A big victory over U-Conn won't get any additional votes, but anything less could cost us. Let's focus on U-Conn, then Texas, then...

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    Aug. 17, 2014 7:28 p.m.

    To respond to Irrelevant.... I thing the answer is NO, Nada, Nein etc. Nobody is talking about he utes. They keep falling further into the dark hole of teams nobody cares about.

    It is great to see the Aggies and Cougs to continue to be discussed not only locally but nationally as well. Way to go....

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Aug. 17, 2014 7:23 p.m.

    It's good to see that Utah State is getting national recognition. I still remember how impressed I was with them last year in the USC game when they went toe to toe with a team that had twice the talent but half the heart. Utah State has shown more heart over the last couple of years than BYU and Utah combined. With Keeton coming back, and the strong recruiting classes they have had the last couple of years, they should be the best team in the state this year. I am looking forward to their opener with Tennessee. I think their gonna punch Tennessee in the mouth and leave Knoxville with a 38-14 victory over the Vols.

  • AggieAndee Holladay, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    This year it can't be denied. Utah State will march into Provo and beat BYU. The national media thinks so by giving the Aggies a lot more votes as a top program.

  • JJ1094 Saratoga, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    I guess all to the big conferences are sorting out how they can play soft games on the road to running for a bowl. The SEC has a soft addition in Missouri, The PAC 12 got lucky enough to add 2 softies with Utah and Colorado. I guess with a tough schedule, the bigs need a little rest along the way.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 6:49 p.m.

    sammyg,

    Shocking news...You're celebrating that the Utes weren't mentioned instead of congratulating The Aggies and your team. lol.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Aug. 17, 2014 6:27 p.m.

    Technically the U is there cause all the other P12 schools are there. United they stand, even it it's on other's coat tails.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    I'm stunned. No votes for the Utes. I thought they were premier, wonderful, spectacular, the leading luminary of the state. How could so many of their fans be so bold and the rest of the football world ignore them???

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 5:07 p.m.

    Shocking news... P5 Utes not mentioned.

    #wherearetheutes #utesdemandrespect

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    Even though they're not yet ranked in the Top 25, it's great to see BYU included in the mix of teams receiving votes in both the Coaches and AP polls to start the season.

  • Irrelevant Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    Love the national relevance BYU has received. Anybody know if Utah received votes? Chris B.? anything?

    It would be interesting to see how the AP views Utah after not being bowl eligible for several years now. Have any polls been released with the mentioning of Utah?

    How many more days people?

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    Wow, so many pac12 teams in the top 25. Good luck Utah, I hope y'all do well.

    It's double edged sword that you guys are in the pac because it's hard to win, but if you can win then you go straight to the top of the rankings.