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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah
    Okay, Liberal, finish the story. Tell us how the Jews in Berlin sacked the stores, burned the buildings, hauled off the Germans to concentration camps, gassed them and told the world that they were going humanity a favor. Go on, you started the Nazi story, now finish it.

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    Janowska,
    The Lwów/Lemberg Ghetto massacre of June 1941

    BTW --
    You keep getting history backwards --

    The uber-far-Right-wing ultra-Nationalists,
    called themselves a "pure" race,
    chosen by God,
    and better than others,
    wrote laws banning and restricting;
    Jews, Gays, Liberals, immigrants, Communists, acedemia, abortions, ect.

    And THEY we the ones ultimetly "deported" and fed to the death camps/chambers.

    I will not let that happen here in America.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    Mike Richards -- please tell us where and when Obama ever said that a "rich guy" "owes" anyone anything.

    A real quote please.

    Not some garbled garbage from a hate website.

    Your hatred is on full display in your posts today.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    Re: "Where would you be, attitude-wise?"

    Assuming your "facts" to be true, I'd be outraged. I'd be concerned for, and reaching out to the "kid's" family. I'd be wanting to know whatever other facts might bear on the issue.

    I would not be looting and vandalizing my own neighborhood. I wouldn't be calling for identification of the police officer being investigated, for no discernible reason other than to enable those wanting to figuratively and physically lynch him, before all the facts are known. I wouldn't be, at least this early in the proceedings, preparing cynical, vexatious litigation in my own pecuniary interest.

    And, it should also be noted that the stated "facts" are not supported by any credible evidence, and will likely be refuted by an impartial investigation.

    Not that the innocence of a decent, hard-working public servant is of the slightest import to liberals intent on forcing their templated result to this templated, though factually unsupported, racial incident.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    Re: ". . . discharge of the police officer's weapon 6 times is excessive."

    Such sentiments reflect only the callow, untrained, uncurious background of the writer, not any recognizable version of reality.

    Anyone trained in proper use of force understands that you only apply force in response to a threat, and then, you apply it only until the threat is neutralized. Experience tells us, it may take a number of shots from the low-power handguns used by the military and most police forces to neutralize the threat of a 6'4", 300 lb. person, desperately intent on avoiding the consequences of his actions, regardless of where the rounds may strike his body.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    Re: "Let try an honesty, integrity test..."

    I can't believe anyone could honestly compare the situation in Ferguson, MO to Kristallnacht.

    That says a lot more about the writer than about the incident.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    Re: "All eyewitnesses report that the kid had his hands up when he was shot."

    Yeah, all except the report of the guy that was actually there, and actually saw what happened.

    He reports that the 18-year-old youngster [who was 6'4" and 300 pounds, and had just cavalierly committed a thuggish strong-arm robbery at a nearby store] was leaning into the police cruiser, at some point took off running, then turned and charged the much smaller police officer.

    Which is exactly what was originally reported, likely from the officer's statement.

    Notwithstanding liberals' intent to stir up unwarranted outrage, as the facts come out, this cynical political theater will likely prove as groundless as the Trayvon Martin fiasco. Unfortunately though, another decent, innocent real American will be judicially lynched to appease vicious victimization-industry gods -- whose shrill cries for "justice" demonstrate no real comprehension of the concept -- and their shameless political allies.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    So Mike,
    Do you still think Ferguson MO would be a much safer place if everyone had a gun?

  • JBT Provo, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    OneWifeOnly - It wouldn't hurt you to do some research on ballistics, and how the body reacts to being shot; as in it's Very Well documented that some people continue to fight even after being hit in the head, or after being shot multiple times. Also, how do know the first bullet was a head shot? Could it have been his last shot? And if you shoot someone 5 times and they keep coming after you, wouldn't you fear for your life?? Wouldn't you keep shooting until they stopped being a threat? Cops are still human. They get scared like everyone else. So please don't down play being in 'fear for your life' until you've experienced it first hand.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    Aug. 18, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    This young man was shot at least 6 times--twice in the head. Regardless of whether the police officer believed the young man's crime was jay walking or robbery, discharge of the police officer's weapon 6 times is excessive. In fact, zero bullets are necessary to stop anyone after one bullet hits the head. Even if the police officer feared for his life (which I doubt), surely the police officer had no reason to be fearful after the first bullet hit this young man's head.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Aug. 16, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    In the last paragraph of the article in DN, what The Educator says, is right there. The police report is that the "victim" (large and strong) pushed the police officer into the vehicle and tried to get his gun. We don't have all the facts, I'm sure, but it seems illogical that a respected officer who has a good clean record in his work would shoot someone who was trying to run away with his hands in the air.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    Suppose for a moment that the situation was this: an unarmed white kid, suspected of stealing beer from a convenience store, was confronted by a black police officer, who first shot the white kid in the back while the kid was attempting to run away and then when the wounded kid turned around, hands in the air, yelling "don't shoot!" shot him again and killed him. And after the shooting, no paramedics were called.

    Where would you be, attitude-wise?

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    “There are those that are saying ‘peace,’ but they really just mean ‘quiet.’ Because in order to establish peace you must have fair justice for everyone. We want real peace. We don’t want to just be told to shut up and suffer in silence. We must have answers.”

    Rev. Al Sharpton, Ferguson, Mo.
    August 14, 2014

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    Once again the Rev. Al Sharpton asserting himself into a situation where he knows absolutely none of the facts. All he knows is that a white cop shot a black 18 year old. For Al, that’s more than enough to trump up bogus charges of institutional racism. He has a history of creating racial tensions based on lies.

    This is the same Reverend Sharpton who helped Tawana Brawley trump up bogus charges that 6 white men raped her, some of whom she claimed were police officers. He also supported Crystal Gail Mangum in her bogus allegations that members of the Duke Lacrosse team raped her.

    Hey Al, was it fair justice for the police officers and the Duke Lacrosse players you falsely accused?

    Like these other cases, the real facts will are coming forth.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    Mike brown wasn't shot for jay walking. He was shot because he was attacking an officer and tried to take the officer's gun.

    Police officers have a right to come home alive to their families too.

    Mike Brown lost that right when he attacked the officer. In a heated battle for a gun where the victor survives and the loser most likely loses his life, I'm glad the officer won. While I am saddened that a young man lost his life I'm happy that an officer survived a vicious attack.

    Don't want to be shot by a police officer? Don't attack them and try and steal their guns. It's that simple.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    To your point Russell, more of the "whole story". According to the Missouri Attorney General, In 2013 in Ferguson 483 arrests involved blacks and 36 involved whites. Of those arrests 1 in 5 blacks possessed contraband and 1 in 3 whites possessed contraband. 92% of all searches and 86% of car searches involved blacks. A national statistic for you, a black man is 8 times more likely to spend time in jail for smoking MJ than a white. Most people who end up being exonerated for crimes they served time for, but didn't commit, are people of color. Most people who end up being exonerated for crimes they served time for, but didn't commit, are people of color. Blacks routinely serve longer sentences for the same crimes committed by whites. There are 53 police in Ferguson which is in the 9th most segregated area in the U.S. Only 3 are black. Yes, rioting is unacceptable, justice must run it's course, but when you are confronted with militarized police when you protest something is amiss. I suggest you wait until the jury has spoken before you lose sleep. Mike Brown was confronted for jay walking not robbery. A reason to kill another kid? Think not.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    Old man has spoken with wisdom and clarity. There is absolutely no place for racism in a civilized society. All racists should be swiftly and severely condemned.

    Old man is also correct that criminals must be punished, regardless of race. We cannot survive as a nation if we are beset by lawless hordes who roam at will.

    Police must be given the tools they need to protect the public. Criticizing, belittling, and prosecuting police who protect the public in the lawful discharge of their duty simply makes the police tentative and hesitant. This puts the lives of people of all races in jeopardy.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    @Roland Kayser: "All eyewitnesses report that the kid had his hands up when he was shot."

    The eye witnesses were his friends... African-American friends.

    According to news reports (you won't find it in the DNews for some reason), the kid robbed a store. The cop might have gotten the report on this radio, told the kid to put his hands behind his back because he was being arrested. The kid refused and ran. The cop said stop or I'll shoot. The kid didn't, so he got shot.

    That's how I seen it, anyway. There's hundreds of opinions out there. Of course, all the African-Americans are maintaining the kid was totally innocent of all crimes and was murdered by a policeman.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Okay, Liberal, finish the story. Tell us how the Jews in Berlin sacked the stores, burned the buildings, hauled off the Germans to concentration camps, gassed them and told the world that they were going humanity a favor. Go on, you started the Nazi story, now finish it.

    Look at the history of violence in America. Look at the 1965 Watt's Riots. Look at the 1992 Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King beating. Look up race riots on Google. See what the Black community has done to America.

    Now look at all the whites who have been killed by black police officers. Can anyone name ONE RIOT that occurred? Look at all the whites who lost a scholarship opportunity because of deferential treatment of Blacks. Where were the riots? Where were the white "Al Sharptons or Jesse Jacksons" stirring up class hatred?

    The Blacks have been used by Blacks. Listen to Bill Cosby. Listen to his advice to Black youth. Unfortunately, his voice is shouted down by Obama who tell Black youth that some "rich guy" owes them. Why? No "rich guy" owes me anything, but I believe is personal responsibility.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    18 and 22 are adults. The media helped incite this riot, and should be held party responsible.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    No one condones rioting, however it was stated by the Ferguson police chief that the alleged robbery had nothing to do with the shooting. Brown was pulled over for jaywalking. The officer involved had no knowledge of the robbery. This was from the chief himself. How do you justify someone being shot in a small community that has better military style equipment than our fighting warriors in the Middle East? How do you justify a police force in a community that is 60% African American and only maybe 8% of peace officers are black? It's real easy for all of you to judge this situation based on your own life experience but until you walk in their shoes I suggest you wait until the dust settles to make a judgment. Even here in God's Zion we have seen situations that crossed the line and Utah's definition of diversity is whether your ancestry is English or Scandinavian with a little Eastern European thrown in. Let justice take it's course, assuming it can in that situation.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Aug. 16, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    Facts are beginning to emerge:

    1) The "boy" was a 6'4", 290 lb, very strong young man who had just committed a crime.
    2) The officer was a smaller man who received a bulletin of the crime and a precise description.
    3) The officer, seeing that the "boy" was near the crime scene and matched the description exactly, attempted to arrest him.
    4) The "boy" violently resisted arrest, injuring the officer in the process, and struggled for the officer's gun.
    5) The officer gained control of his gun, and shot the "boy" who was still resisting arrest.

    That doesn't sound like racism, and it doesn't sound like police brutality. If I resist arrest, I can expect to be shot, too.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    Let try an honesty, integrity test...

    "We have been hearing a lot about the 18-year-old JEW who was shot by a police officer in BERLIN. It seems as if all the blame is being placed on the policeman. But whenever we have these accounts either on the radio or in the newspaper, we usually do not get the whole story. If the policeman did shoot the JEW without cause, he should be prosecuted. However, it also seems that the JEWISH communities cannot accept the idea that the kid may have been somewhat to blame himself. It would be nice to learn the whole story."

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    So, what are we waiting for? When a police officer in Utah shoots someone, start looting, start burning, start pretending that laws only apply to people of one color.

    The actions of the people of Missouri are reprehensible. They pretended that they live in some primitive society where they can do as they please without social responsibility and without accountability.

    The facts are beginning to come in. Surveillance cameras have shown that a crime had been committed. It is beginning to appear that the "eye witness" to the shooting was involved in a robbery moments before the shooting occurred. Is his "account" accurate? Are you sure?

    There are always those who are so quick to find a reason to incite hated. They don't care what is right or wrong. All they care about is that they can spew their hateful words, that they can condemn, that they can find fault.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    Have you seen the surveillance video tapes of the boy committing a strong-arm robbery of a convenience store not long before the shooting?

    Yet some people, after seeing the tapes, are trying to tell us that releasing the tapes amounts to "character assassination" of the poor kid.

    White, black, pink or purple doesn't matter -- shouldn't matter.

    I'm a guy who marched in some very ugly civil rights marches in the South many years ago. I'm a guy who always speaks up for the rights of ALL Americans.
    But I'm also a guy who believes that criminal acts by anyone are criminal acts.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Aug. 16, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Police did not choose the call. They were called there. None want to take a human life that is there worse nightmare. It is them an innocent victim or the criminal. What about all the police that lose there life to protect us? Do people care about that.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Aug. 16, 2014 6:11 a.m.

    As their leader says: "Don't waste a crises" any excuse for some looting and rioting.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:54 a.m.

    All eyewitnesses report that the kid had his hands up when he was shot.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:25 a.m.

    Sort of like,
    Stories of Israeli Police shooting unarmed Palestinian teenagers?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:17 a.m.

    A black 'kid' in a largely black community was shot by a white cop on an almost exclusively white police force. He died, unarmed, in Ferguson.
    I cannot provide the details of the whole story which you seek. I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. But I do know that seeking plausible excuses for the cop looks bad.
    Keep digging. You'll find your way out. That's what matters.