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Published: Friday, Aug. 15 2014 10:45 p.m. MDT

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JordanFan08
draper, UT

Bingham will not be #1 in region 3 this year!

plyxply
SLC, UT

The top 4 teams in this Region would win any other region in the state, Herriman may be able to compete in Region 3 but Davis couldn't, nor could AF or PG or Lone Peak this year.
Jordan has a bunch of linemen returning, we know what they did last time they had an O line and I think they have the best shot at knocking off the Miners. Brighton is going to be tough, although they've lost most of their lineman. Bingham will be great, and Alta will be much better than people are saying. Alta has a chance to show how they'd do in Region 4 as the open with PG and play Lone Peak week three so it will be clear by then that I'm right.

T-birds to win
Provo / Utah, UT

Ply x ply : To say that anyone of the top 4 in region3 would win any other region is reaching, last year East crushed Jordan, and both Timpview, and East beat Alta by larger margins than Bingham beat Alta, and I personally believe that both of those schools could have matched up well against Bingham, possibly even beating Bingham, they had just as much size, speed, and athleticism as Bingham. I think East had even more size on their line than Bingham, and Timpview had the best Defense in the state last year in all classifications. All three have great Coaches, and Programs! Good luck to all teams.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

HAHA Here comes Jordan fan again. Until Jordan can prove they can keep a team under 40 points, I don't see it happening. And we're already hearing again about how Timpview or East could have beat Bingham last year. Stats are what I rely on. 14-0 playing in the toughest region in the state. That's the best team in the state last year.

Tenn12
Orem, UT

Gunner,
Who was tough besides Brighton? Jordan? Jordan gave up 60 points against East. Jordan was 7-6 last year. Alta had a losing record. Nah, region 3 is tough, but lets not act like all four playoff teams were great teams. Jordan was not a very good team. Defensively they were just bad. Last year Timpview and East would've given Bingham all it could handle no doubt. This year however I would say Bingham would beat both

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

How many region 3 teams were in the final 4 last year?

Tenn12
Orem, UT

I guess you're right Gunner. If Jordan was a top 3 or 4 team in 5a than East and Timpview would've easily won the 5a title. East put 59 on Jordan. What could Timpview have done. 60? 70? Bingham only had 48. It appears t-birds to win was right.

plyxply
SLC, UT

T birds, I wasn't including the two 4A regions, Alta struggled against both East and Timpview. Now this year we'll get to see Alta at Timpview again so we'll have a good idea about how they'd stack up in Region 4 and Timpviews region.
The 3 best teams in 5A last year were Bingham, Brighton, Jordan, with LP and Alta right there as well. To say Jordan wasn't very good is wrong...they weren't as good as the year before but they were pretty good and played on the turf.

T-birds to win
Provo / Utah, UT

Utah has a lot of good Football programs that continue to do well year after year, even when they loose a lot of players to graduation, this year there will be a lot of great games, both in state, and out of state,Bingham playing Bishop Gorman, Alta playing Bellevue, East playing Valor Christian,Timpview playing Mission Hills,etc. Out of all schedules I've seen this year I have to give respect to Alta, I think they have the toughest schedule this year.They definately play Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime. Bellevue is the team that beat De La Salle, when they were undefeated for twelve years, De La Salle holds the national record for most consecutive wins at 151 and Bellevue stopped their winning streak. I am looking forward to another great season this year, and hope that all Utah Schools win their out of state games. Good Luck TO All Teams!

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

Tenn12: The fact you're using scores to compare how good a team is or was shows a lot about how much you know about the game.

BallerSJ
South Jordan, UT

Tenn12 Besides beating Brighton twice, Jordan, Lone Peak, well and everyone else, they beat the Colorado State champs Valor Christian, who had one of the best running backs in the nation. Valor Christian had only lost to one team in two years. Who? Yea, Bingham. They crushed everyone else in Colorado. Also, Coach Peck has never been a coach to run up the score. In so many of those games you mention, Bingham starters didn't even come close to playing the full game. Comparing scores is pretty ridiculous.

Tenn12
Orem, UT

Gunner,
"Stats are what I rely on." Stats? Scores ARE stats. Let's be honest, stats AND scores, scores being stats, aren't reliable to determine outcomes. We don't need to resort to childish posts about who has more football knowledge. Let's just agree to disagree. I saw Bingham, East, and Timpview play multiple times last year and it is my opinion that last year those two teams would've matched up very well against them. Not this year though. I like Bingham against anyone.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

Tenn12,

Your argument does not hold water. The Theory of Comparative Scores never proves anything. Besides, you only want to use the points that East and Bingham scored against Jordan to make your point. You don't consider defense. Jordan put 36 on East but could only put 27 on Bingham. How many would Jordan have put on Timpview?

East beat Jordan by 23, Bingham beat Jordan by 21. Pretty negligible difference there.

So let's go ahead and use scores as you propose:

Let's use these "stats"; instead: 4A Championship Game to give Timpview the nod over East (33-28). In week 2, PG beat Timpview 21-19, so nod to PG. In week 6, Riverton beat PG 38-7, nod to Riverton. Yet in the 5A quarter-finals, Bingham beat Riverton 43-10. So if I use THESE "stats", Bingham is 73 points better than Timpview and 78 better than East.

East and Timpview were very good last year. They may have even been better than Bingham (pretty hard to argue against 14-0 though). But picking the score against 1 common opponent to make the point doesn't work, even if you consider scores to be "stats".

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

Looks like my math was off by 2.

The only way to really know who was better between East, Timpview and Bingham would be to have them play. But that only proves who was better that day. I think that East and Timpview were pretty even last year but Timpview was better on that afternoon in late November.

Everyone has their opinions as to who was better, and that's what makes this fun. In reality, they'd need to play 10 or so times to get a handle on who was truly better and that cannot happen.

And Bingham does not play down, or at least they have not for 25 years, so an East-Bingham or Bingham-Timpview game likely will not happen until the USHAA tags East or Timpview with the 15% success penalty and moves them up to 5A.

Tenn12
Orem, UT

Parry,
If you would read my post directly above yours you would see there was no need to make your long post about comparing scores. Here, I'll quote it:"Let's be honest, stats AND scores, scores being stats, aren't reliable to determine outcomes." So how does my argument not hold water? My argument is that you can't compare scores! You and I AGREE! To fully understand this thread you'd have to read all the previous posts because my one about comparing scores was to make a point. Some that commented earlier seemed to believe that because Bingham had the best "stats" or overall record, that nobody including East and Timpview would have or could have beat them. My point was we can't use stats.
Ps. I do believe the UHSAA has made up their mind and I'd imagine Timpview will be forced to move up. So they might play. Bad timing for them because they're best days are behind them.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

Tenn12: I guess my question is then, why in your earlier post did you declare Jordan as not being good because East put up 59 points on them? Then you followed that up by saying "How many would Timpview have put up on them?" If you're claiming points aren't what you are comparing, why bring the points up at all? Regardless, I wasn't trying to be childish in my comment about football knowledge. So sorry if that's how it came across. The only stat I go by is wins and losses. And based on Bingham going 14-0, I'll take them as the best team in the state last year.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

Ditto on what Gunner just said.

Tenn12
Orem, UT

That's a good question. At the time I made that comment because a good 5a team should never give up that many points; for any reason. I do not believe Jordan was that great of a football team last year because as you pointed out, their defense was awful. That being said, they outscored most of their opponents and somehow ended up in the 5a semifinals despite their defense. After all that has been said, the point I was trying to make is that people shouldn't dismiss East and Timpview last year because I think they would've matched up well with Bingham. That's pretty rare though, usually Bingham will have an edge. I did get sidetracked from my original point.

T-birds to win
Provo / Utah, UT

Parry, you are right that Pleasant Grove beat Timpview in week two last year, and Skyview almost did in week one, but no one has since Britton Covey has been playing Quarterback, and East is the only team to give them a close game since then. Timpview also played Skyview in the Quarter Finals and it wasn't even close. They are a different team with Covey playing Quarterback.

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

No need to spout about scores and all other nonsense. Timpview is a great team, a dynasty in 4A, Coach VanOrden made them into what Peck has made Bingham, a powerhouse. I would love to see them play each other. But no matter, Bingham walks the walk on the field. Barely losing to the #1 team in the nation this season and smokin everyone else. Hands down they are the team to beat. They have the #1 defense in the state, until someone in Utah proves otherwise. Jordan won't prove otherwise tonight I guarantee that. Last year we all heard about how Kafentsiz was going to throw all over Bingham's weak secondary and all he did was go out and throw 4 INT's. Bingham's secondary is lights out this year. This game won't be close.

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