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  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 20, 2014 4:57 a.m.

    @Mountanman, Hayden, ID

    Was you born into such wealth that you do not appreciate the work of others. Do you realize that the wages you and I made back in 1978 are the same wage as these kids get today. Our $12 an hour job in 1978 bought a house, a car and fed a family. That same $12 an hour today does not even pay the car insurance. I just love conservative mentality, "I got mine an it sucks to be you."
    Until they don´t get theirs than they scream, rally, tax cheat, grow beards, wear bandanas, wave guns, bibles and blame it on the government.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 20, 2014 4:44 a.m.

    Here is my first tip,"Pay UP SUCKERS"! You owe that server 18 to 20%. Cheating a waitress because your food was late is no excuse. Utah people pride themselves on being charitable but will cheat the neighbor kid on mowing their lawn. Why do you think you have so many illegal aliens moving to Utah? You really don´t want them but then you don´t want to pay a fair wage to Americans?
    Money is a fluid element of making an economy grow. You have to spend it to get it back.

    My last tip, "Read this till it sinks in."

  • Cav Pilot St George, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:11 a.m.

    Maverick....that is exactly what your president is trying to do. New minimum wage: $15/hour
    In Utah, a teacher with a degree starts at $10/hour. This would require a mandatory increase in wages. The problem is, that results in a needed increase in taxes to pay said teacher, which results in reduced discretionary spending of everyone. Now everything costs more, and nobody is better off...except the big business & government cronies.

    This also means that the 4 years and $30-50,000 that the teacher spent to get the education was wasted because they now make the same as the high school drop out burger flipper.

    What I get from your posts is that shared poverty is the way to go. History has shown time and again, that shared poverty only lasts a little while. Eventually those who can/will produce will again have more than those who wait to be given everything.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:11 a.m.

    Heres how it works in the UK, if someone gives you good service then you tip them. If not you at least know that they are making a liveable wage anyway. I prefer it this way.

    In the US you feel that you must always tip 20% or more, I dont like doing this. I should not have to make up for the restaurant not paying their staff a decent wage.

    Nothing is more off putting than American service, I feel constantly harassed because the server is trying to do everything they can to appear like they are providing a good service. Last time I was over the waitress started telling the table her life story and trying to be humorous, I thought by the end of the meal she was going to break into song and dance.
    Bring out the food, keep an eye on our drinks and then leave.
    It makes me laugh when I have dined with Americans in the UK. They feel they are getting a poor service because the servers are not fawning over them. I bet I could literally get the servers in the US to jump through hoops if I asked them too.

  • Cav Pilot St George, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 4:03 a.m.

    anti-liar - you said the right thing the wrong way...
    In - n - out is causing a problem for many food service businesses precisely because the VOLUNTARILY pay their people more. The result is that other businesses lose their best servers to go work at In-n-out.

    Isn't capitalism wonderful. The independent agent gets to decide where they want to work and try to convince the business owner to accept their services for wages. If the business owner sees that the independent agent is worthless as a contributor to their business they don't hire them. For the businesses struggling, voluntarily increase your wages to attract the best employees.

    The whole concept that every business owner is "rich" is ludicrous. That is tantamount to every 6th grade football player deserves million dollar contract after high school.

  • Cav Pilot St George, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 3:50 a.m.

    Educator: you are leaving out that key part of the unemployment % -- those who are no longer included. In most socialist countries they don't include those on welfare in their unemployment stats.

    FreedomFighter41 (snicker) if only every employer had to choose between the 500 and 600 foot yacht as opposed to just trying to keep his business afloat and being able to put food on his own table. I constantly see food service businesses opening and closing their doors because they can't afford to stay open. I guess the owner spent too much time on vacation.

    On the other hand, my college student daughter worked at $2.50/hr + tips...and made more money each week than her elementary school teacher mother....maybe it is a) where you work or b) your quality of work as a hostess.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    re: Redshirt1701

    "Personally I hate the fact that we are expected to tip more and more..."

    The simplest solution of all is go to Wendys, Barbacoa, Carls Jr, etc...

    When splurging at say Buffalo Wild Wings, Tipping 16 or 20% depending on service seems equitable and its easy to figure (divide total by 6 or 5).

    Recently, I have not come across really excellent or really terrible service by servers or busboys. Its the cooks that make or break the meal.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 1:26 a.m.

    @ wrz

    "Don't worry about tipping for good service. The busboys gather up the tips which are distributed amongst the help... including the busboys."

    What a silly system of compensation we have. Is there another industrialized country on earth that compensates servers, bus boys, and bartenders like this?

    "What's so wrong with food stamps if you're poor? That's what food stamps are for... government feeding the poor."

    What's so wrong with businesses being accountable and paying their workers wages so that they don't have to rely on my tax dollars to prevent starvation?
    Apparently, you'd rather place the responsibility of compensating workers on taxpayers rather than restaurant owners. Do you happen to be a restaurant owner?

    "What's a fair wage? A hundred grand? That'd be my answer."

    Here's my answer to you: why don't we lower everyone's wage to the min wage? Lawyers, teachers, police officers, secretaries, construction, etc. if you're not an owner, you get paid min wage. People need to stop being so selfish and learn to live off min wage. Demanding anything more is just selfish. And any increase in wages means fewer jobs, right?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 12:59 a.m.

    wrz

    "The busboys gather up the tips which are distributed amongst the help... including the busboys."

    Ah. So apparently the employers aren't paying the busboys a fair wage, either.

    "That's what food stamps are for... government feeding the poor."

    No, the purpose of food stamps is NOT to pay the employee for the time and labor the EMPLOYER enjoys. You are leaving out the reason they are poor. Greed, on the part of many Utah businessmen, who are not properly compensating these employees for their time and labor.

    "The ability to structure a sentence ain't gonna get you better pay, usually..."

    Neither is thorough training in a STEM field gonna get you better pay -- since Utah employers deliberately are sidestepping these, in favor of foreigners both legal (through abuse of the work visa program) and illegal (by outright hiring of illegal aliens).

    "...corporations are created to maximize profits for owners (stockholders). Noting more."

    Of course. Capitalism without a Conscience.

    "What's a fair wage? A hundred grand?"

    The Light of Christ tells you what is a fair wage. Whether you choose to suppress that and sweep it under the rug of your own conscience, is your decision.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    @Redshirt1701:
    "...and bothers me enough that I don't tip as well if no tip is expected."

    Don't worry about tipping for good service. The busboys gather up the tips which are distributed amongst the help... including the busboys.

    @Henderson:
    "Many servers are living off food stamps to prevent starvation."

    What's so wrong with food stamps if you're poor? That's what food stamps are for... government feeding the poor.

    @one old man:
    "By the way, telling this young lady to 'get an education' is kinda funny because her letter is written using much better grammar, sentence construction and organization than most of the posts criticizing her here."

    The ability to structure a sentence ain't gonna get you better pay, usually... unless your a Shakespeare, Twain, Poe, etc.

    @anti-liar:
    "Businessmen have a moral responsibility to pay their workers a fair wage."

    What's a fair wage? A hundred grand? That'd be my answer.

    "The country doesn't exist solely for greedy businessmen even though many of them think that it does."

    Maybe not... but corporations are created to maximize profits for owners (stockholders). Noting more.

  • Smart Cookie Kissimmee, FL
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    Another complaint about how low the minimum wage is for tipped employees. The problem is the argument that they only make $2.15/hr is disingenuous. By law if you do not average the federal minimum wage between your tips and your hourly wage your employer is required to make up the difference. It is called the "Tip Credit Against Minimum Wage." In addition tax evasion is common among tipped employees. "Up to 50% of cash tips go unreported" according to an article from the University of Penn Law School. Costing us the tax payer billions of dollars a year. While I normally tip 20+% I always do this with a credit card as to discourage the temptation to evade taxes.

    I believe like many others here tipping should be done away with. Either a mandatory service charge, clearly marked, or increased prices is really the way to go.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    Tessa, those who tell you this is, "just the way it is" and "capitalism" are wrong. For much of the past century this kind of abuse hasn't happened. Sadly, over the past 2-3 decades, we have reverted back to the voodoo economics of the Gilded Age. That was a time when factories worked workers 50+ hrs per week and could put whatever they wanted into canned meat. It was a horrific time. It set up the progressive era which gave us the 40 hr work week, weekends, safety nets, food labels, and the middle class.

    In time, we will get our priorities straight and get back on track. Right now, servers everywhere are being taken advantage of. Richies are making a killing. But that will soon change. We go through cycles.

    There is a better way. Higher wages for workers and better working conditions will prevail. The rich's gouging of workers will soon end.

  • Emerger Magna, Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    Tessa,
    With all respect to you and your profession--and I mean that sincerely--there is one thing you have going for you. And that is freedom to choose. I mean by that, that you might want to consider a new profession, one that would provide a better wage than what you are now making. Yes, I think food servers should receive a higher wage, because I believe they (you) are worth more than you are being paid. But the fact is, this is how the industry works today under the free market. And those, like yourself, are free to leave employment that doesn't pay what you/they think it should, and find employment in a more lucrative field. Forcing restaurant owners to pay a higher wage is simply not the way to go.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    It’s a catch 22 situation.
    The average restaurant has a hard time keeping good servers; because experienced-excellent servers go to high end restaurants. These servers do pretty well as far as tips
    New-inexperienced-moderate servers do not get big tips in general. They deal with customers who have a higher then should be expected level of service. These customers tend to not leave a tip if they do not receive a “royal” level of service, which is hard for the servers, when the restaurants expects them to serve to many customers.
    Good workers tend to either move to a better restaurant, or find some other kind of work.
    All servers should be paid at least the regular minimum wage. Restaurants that do not want to pay this can close. There are more restaurants then needed anyway.
    The remaining restaurants will get more business, and hire the excess workers from the restaurants that close.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    Wow so many comments from so many who really does not know the facts...

    Some say it is the Repubs doing... that is all well, except for the problem that during the 50's and 60's when the Dems ruled Utah... Low wages for servers and tips was the way they made it up.

    My mother was a waitress for 30 years... So I have some insight here.

    Letter writer, Tips is based on how "YOU" work and serves the patrons, not how the patrons deals with you.

    The better the service, the better tip "generally". Now we all know there are people who are tight wads, but that is true in any field of work.

    you need to improve your service, if not, don't complain. I tip solely on the service I get, the maximum is 25 percent, the minimum is 5 percent.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    wrz

    "Businesses has the right to hire and pay at the lowest possible rates."

    Businessmen have a moral responsibility to pay their workers a fair wage. The country doesn't exist solely for greedy businessmen even though many of them think that it does.

    "Getting an education will mean a different occupation and very likely significantly
    higher take-home pay."

    This is a rationalization for oppressing the hireling in his wages.

    Mountanman

    "The best and most effective way too have fewer employers (jobs) in America is to keep

    "raising minimum wages!"

    Standard, false, fearmongering propaganda used by greedy businessmen and stockholders in order to trick Americans into overlooking systematic oppression of hirelings in their wages. In-N-Out Burger -- which voluntarily pays their people more than do their competitors -- isn't killing job; it is CREATING jobs. And it is doing so while using more expensive, quality ingredients, AND without raising menu prices.

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    @ wrz

    ""What is the 99 percent of us supposed to do?"

    Get an education, get a job, work hard, and get yourself a golden parachute."

    You just described perfectly how to kill an economy. Did you used to work for Enron?

    If even those who are highly skilled and highly educated are being laid off, what hope does anyone have? We have a fundamental problem if we feel like highly skilled and educated workers can be laid off while the CEOs are still making millions/billions.

    There's a problem there and I don't think i need to go into much more detail. It should be obvious.

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:32 p.m.

    "They fought, and now look at what they got. Many are losing their jobs, and some stores may end up closing. If they didn't like the wages, they were free to go elsewhere."

    Doesn't this support the notion that the "free market" sorting out isn't working? Workers wre being tossed aside, consumers are being ignored, and the fat cat owners remain rich and powerful. Why should a few rich people on top have the right to destroy so many lives and cost taxpayers millions? The government should look out for workers.

    In my company, we compensate our workers very well. Could we slash pay? Sure we could! Loads of desperate qualified people still trying to recover from 2008. But the problem is, when we don't pay people well, what happens?

    Workers don't work as well, turnover increases, and they cannot buy products. As one of the top members of my company, I have sat through meetings where we have discussed our responsibility to not only shareholders but to our workers and taxpayers. Unlike Walmart, we feel like the responsibility to pay our workers falls on us, not on taxpayers via food stamps and safety nets.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    @FreedomFighter41:
    "Wrz, what happens when all the high skilled jobs are over saturated with qualified candidates?"

    I don't know... Perhaps they start getting laid off like Microsoft's 18,000 in July and others. Here's some history from 1993 to present:

    IBM: 60,000 employees (July 1993)
    Hewlett-Packard: 27,000 employees (May 2012)
    Hewlett-Packard: 24,600 employees (September 2008)
    Microsoft: 18,000 employees (July 2014)

    "What is the 99 percent of us supposed to do?"

    Get an education, get a job, work hard, and get yourself a golden parachute.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @Mountanman & JCS;

    Waiting tables IS a skill. It is a SKILL that is necessary for the restaurant to survive. Without SKILLED servers, a restauranteur is going to go out of business.

    Pay the servers the wages they deserve.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    Right.

    And the market basket strikes are about wages. They want the previous owner back because the cousin that took over wants to slash wages and benefits.

    @ red/2 bits

    Hostess didn't go under because of union strikes. They went under because they had 8'different CEOs in a short amount of time. Each one raised hostess until they left just a few months later. You can't have that kind of leadership and hope to stay afloat.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    To "Schnee" you are wrong. If people don't want to work for those wages, the businesses will close. Then they can get a job elsewhere. Despite your illogical thoughts, you are not assigned a job when you turn 16 and have to work where the government wants you to. If you don't like working for minimum wage at McDonalds you can leave that job and go work anywhere else that will take you. If you have no skills and no desire to get any skills don't be surprised if you don't ever earn much more than minimum wage.

    To "The Educator" and who is forcing those people to work for the grocery store. I looked up the "Market Basket" strike. It wasn't about wages. They wanted the previous CEO to return.

    They fought, and now look at what they got. Many are losing their jobs, and some stores may end up closing. If they didn't like the wages, they were free to go elsewhere.

    Look at Hostess. The workers lead a strike for higher wages, and ended up unemployed.

    You are not forced to work for anybody, why not get out of a bad situation?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    @Educator,

    I think you mis-understand the Market-basket strike. You asked us to Google "Market-basket strikes" and read the news.

    The strike isn't about wages, it's an ownership battle.... it's about getting their CEO back.

    The first headline was... "With jobs on the line, why are Market Basket employees so loyal to Artie T?"...

    From the article... "Since the Market Basket board ousted CEO Arthur T. Demoulas in late June, thousands of the chain’s 25,000 employees have walked off the job in support of their former boss. In his place, the board, which is controlled by Demoulas’ cousin, Arthur S. Demoulas, appointed two new CEOs."...

    "This labor strike is attracting widespread attention because it’s not a labor strike in the traditional sense. Market Basket employees don’t belong to a union, and white collar managers are striking alongside the blue collar workers they supervise, rallying for Artie T.’s return"...

    It's not people striking or quitting because they get paid $2.15/hour.

    Where is SEIU? Why are they not helping their members get more than $2.15/hour??

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    Those that think a simple strike will raise wages need to look up the "Market-basket strikes" in New England.

    In liberals New England employees for the major grocery store chain Market Basket have been on strike for over a month. Despite being well organized, helping to fund raise for each other so they won't starve, and having overwhelming support from the media and public, their strike is on the verge of collapse. Why?

    Because the owners are millionaires and can go months and years without paychecks while the workers cannot. Even the governor is calling for workers to go back to work. Not surprising, Market Basket is one of the governor's major campaign contributors.

    So if a strike can't even work in liberal states where they're well organized and have support from the public, how do you think strikes in conservative states, like Utah, will work out?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    @2 bits
    "But as long as we have a cheep source of labor willing to do it for #2.15/hour... that won't work"

    If they aren't willing to do it they're called lazy moochers and welfare queens...

  • Jl Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    @Tessa, if we were all paid what we are truly worth to society many of those commenting would see a pay cut. Those disparaging you should walk in your shoes for a pay period.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    I would gladly pay more for my meals if it meant better wages for workers and not extra profits for owners. I make it a point of tipping well because all my daughters were once servers.

    By the way, telling this young lady to "get an education" is kinda funny because her letter is written using much better grammar, sentence construction and organization than most of the posts criticizing her here.

    It sounds as if she already has a better grasp of the English language than many of those who try to demean her.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    Dear Educator. Thank you for pointing out the disastrous results of Seattle's $15 per hour minimum wage which, according to you, has produced the horribly awful and terrible unemployment rate of {GASP} 4%.

    That is absolutely terrible. It could plunge the entire west coast into the sea.

    One thing --- do you know what Utah's unemployment rate was as of last month?

    Get ready for this.

    It was 3.8%

    Good grief. If we raise the wages for our servers we might add another 0.2% to our unemployment rate!

    Terrible. Terrible.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    "Hint... the Federal Government doesn't know what it takes to live in Beaver Utah vs Manhattan NY. So blindly setting the same government-mandated wage for restaurants in Beaver as in NY probably doesn't make sense (rent, etc, are higher in NY than in Beaver UT)."

    Huh? And this information isn't easily available? Be honest, have you even tried to look this up? I just looked it up. If I can find cost of living statistics off of a 3 min google search then certainly the federal government can, right?

    "Free-Economy-principles SHOULD work in Utah (in theory)."

    In theory. But it doesn't work in practice, which is what actually matters.

    "If all waitresses refused to work for $2.15... bosses would get tired of running the business AND having to get up from their desk and wait on tables too... and they would be forced to pay more."

    Did you even read the letter? Many servers are living off food stamps to prevent starvation. They're being paid $2.13 per hr. Their owners are sitting on mountains of cash. In a prolonged strike, who do you think will outlast the other?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Personally I hate the fact that we are expected to tip more and more. It wasn't that long ago when it was customary to tip 5%. Now, we are expected to tip 20% more. I hate it. Why can't restaurants just pay a standard wage, and if I get great service, then I will leave a tip. If the waitress ignores me, no tip. The tip doesn't have to be that much, a few dollars to show my appreciation. Tipping should not be an expected part of an employee's wages.

    If the menu lists my dinner as costing $15, that is all I want to pay for my dinner. The current system takes that $15 dinner and bumps it to $18 just to cover the servers, and bothers me enough that I don't tip as well if no tip is expected.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    Tessa, I support your efforts. Too bad your colleagues have been conned into going it their own since organizing could empower the group. Some here think it would be a shame if they had to pay and extra 2% and lose a few pounds because they have such a low opinion of those who serve them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    @Maverick,
    Yes, maybe the best solution is for the Federal Government to set wages for all restaurant types in all cities, and States.

    Hint... the Federal Government doesn't know what it takes to live in Beaver Utah vs Manhattan NY. So blindly setting the same government-mandated wage for restaurants in Beaver as in NY probably doesn't make sense (rent, etc, are higher in NY than in Beaver UT). That's the problem with turning it over to the Federal Government (besides Constitution saying it's not one of the enumerated jobs given the Feds).

    Free-Economy-principles SHOULD work in Utah (in theory). If all waitresses refused to work for $2.15... bosses would get tired of running the business AND having to get up from their desk and wait on tables too... and they would be forced to pay more.

    But as long as we have a cheep source of labor willing to do it for #2.15/hour... that won't work. That's why I encourage ALL waitresses to hit up their boss, instead of accepting $2.15 from him... and begging for bigger tips from your customers.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    To show you how far to the right we've shifted, consider what happened just a little over 100 years ago under President Teddy Roosevelt.

    Coal miners in New England went on strike for better working conditions and higher wages. The mine owners told the workers that they'd never cave to their demands. The strike went on for weeks and months. The owners, the 1 percenters, could care less about their workers and consumers. They were already billionaires and would remain rich even if the mines closed down.

    As the strike wore on, worries about the coming winter came to the White House. Most of New England was going to freeze because coal wasn't being mined. "Liberal" republican President Teddy Roosevelt threatened the mine owners with the national guard to cave to the workers' demands.

    Could you imagine any president, let alone a republican one, today threatening business with military action?

    Could you imagine the outrage from the right if President Obama threatened Walmart to pay their workers living wages or face military action?

    My how our country has shifted to the right!

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    @ wrz

    Tessa, you need to realize 2 things

    1. If your owner has to pay you a living wage then he might have to settle for the 500 foot yacht instead of the 600 foot yacht.

    2. Conceding to you means that he admits that he's been gouging employees. For him, this is a matter of control. Business owners want to keep you in your place and ex decide power and dominion over you.

    Wrz, what happens when all the high skilled jobs are over saturated with qualified candidates? Will their wages continue to sink too while the top percent continue to see their wages and golden parachutes skyrocket?

    Wouldn't it be nice if government could regulate this? Oh wait, these business owners have already bought off government because bribery is now considered a form of free speech.

    What is the 99 percent of us supposed to do?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    Employees are simple tools of a business operation. They are purchased, controlled and used to accomplish business purposes. They are not the consumer's agent in the obtaining of a product or service, they are only an extension of the business will.

    If we would improve the status of the people known as employees, we would change their status to that of the independent contractor, free to negotiate their own contract, and free to use any and all resources such as unions, associations and such. Just like other businessmen have.

    Another alternative would be to revise the capitalistic model to recognize that all business, not the individuals business operations, is owned by the society as a whole and society should participate in the profits of business. Then people would receive personal income according to their worth to society rather than to an individual business operation.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Well, Tessa, you have to realize two things:

    1. Waitressing is a low-skilled occupation, making competition for those jobs relatively high. Businesses has the right to hire and pay at the lowest possible rates.

    2. Getting an education will mean a different occupation and very likely significantly higher take-home pay.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Seattle has the highest min wage in the nation, $15 dollars an hr. You can see the destructive results in their unemployment rate of 4 percent.
    Australia has a min wage of $17 dollars an hr.
    Their economy has been crushed so bad because of min wage that they now have a 5 percent unemployment rate.

    Why can't liberals see how higher min wage kills jobs? Oh wait...

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    @Mountanman
    That is absolutely incorrect. Studies comparing adjacent counties in different states where one state increases the minimum wage showed no harm to the job market in that county despite there being a neighboring county next door that didn't increase it.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Tipping is unfair, unproductive and immoral. It has little to do with the quality of service, the quality of the food or the experience of having someone pretend to be your slave. If it did effect those things we would negotiate the tip before the service is performed.

    The reason wages are so low is because the individual has no bargaining power against the business men and their united front against employees. If employees were allowed to have unions of working people, they could negotiate proper wages.

    Uncontrolled capitalism is the bane of America and a very large part of that is the unfair treatment of workers.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    John Charity and Mountain,
    Please read the letter again. Tessa isn't complaining about minimum wage. She isn't being paid minimum wage. She's being paid about 1/3 of minimum wage. Are you justifying businesses paying someone $2.13 per hour? If so that is laughable, absolutely laughable. Scary thing is, I think both of you do think that's ok.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:33 a.m.

    @ 2 bits

    "Diners should pay a fair tip for sure. Most do. The few who don't probably won't be changed by this plea. They probably don't read."

    You've obviously never worked in a restaurant before. All restaurants in Utah pay their servers $2.13 per hr. In Utah, tip percentages rank some of the lowest in the nation. So your comment that "most diners pay their fair tip" is completely unfounded.

    And when you're only getting $2.13 per hr, is it any wonder why Tessa's stats are so prevalent? Why servers are twice as likely to be on food stamps?

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    Mountanman is absolutely correct. Rather than whinning about low wages, unskilled workers should obtain the training and skills necessary for a higher wage.

    Instead of devoting their efforts to rancor and acrimony, the unskilled should devote their time to obtaining training and education. That is the way to achieve success.

    The liberals like to complain about wage inequality. In doing so, they ignore the fact that inequality is a good thing when based on ability, work ethic, and skills. The communists aimed for wage equality, and that destroyed their entire economies, and their very countries.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    The best and most effective way too have fewer employers (jobs) in America is to keep raising minimum wages! Forcing employers to pay for skills that do not exist is the best way to eliminate employers and eventually employees and with that taxpayers!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    @ 2 bites

    $2.13 per hr is standard for Utah restaurants. If Tessa demands a raise then she'll quickly be fired and replaced by some other cheap worker trying to make their way through college. Workers don't have any leverage in these types of jobs, especially here in Utah. Hence, why the government, which is supposed to promote our welfare and watch out for the little guy, needs to step in and help equalize this battle.

    $2.13 per hr is a joke. Yet, only the government can fix this. If the government hadn't already demanded $2.13 per hr restaurants would still be paying their employees $1.50 per hr.

    We need a fundamental change here in America. Far too long big business has thrown it's weight around.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Tessa,
    You should request better than $2.13 an hour from your EMPLOYER instead of browbeating your customers for better tips?

    $2.13/hour is ridiculous. Your services are surely worth more than that to your boss (and his business).

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    As for blaming diners, and putting the guilt on them... If you deserve a raise... ask your employer and show him how you've improved your skills and how it helps him make more money (that's what I have to do)... Don't just demand everybody pay you more in tips (while accepting $2.15/hour from the restaurant and expecting diners to feel bad and fill the gap).

    Tell him to charge more for meals and pass some of it along to employees... Then you are assured to get more (not just hoping for more tips from kind customers).

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    Diners should pay a fair tip for sure. Most do. The few who don't probably won't be changed by this plea. They probably don't read.

    IMO Tipping should be done away with (as in other countries). Charge what it takes to run your business (including paying your employees a living wage)!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    Tipping is nothing more than a repub Ponzi scheme. It prevents the business from actually being held accountable for paying it's employees. Whether it's Walmart placing the burden of paying living wages onto tax payers (who subsidize Walmart by paying for their employees' food stamps) or Utah restaurants who refuse to pay living wages and place the burden onto patrons' tips. It's all the same.

    Businesses are refusing to be accountable.

    This is why we need a fundamental change in America. We need to get back to an America where businesses were accountable and paid living wages and people could actually live off their wages. No one can live off walmart's wages just like no one can live off $2.13 an hour.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    I agree, for good service we should tip more. One piece of advice I'd like to pass on to food servers is this. When you know your customer is nearing the end of the meal, get them the bill ASAP. People want to leave when through. Many times I have been so frustrated at waiting for the bill that I've lowered the tip because I've felt neglected.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    Personally, I think you should earn a living wage for your labors and that tipping should be abolished.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 15, 2014 5:34 a.m.

    Part of the problem Tessa, is that you apparently live in Utah. Tipping is not exactly a strong point in Utah.

    I still like the LaVell Edwards line about BYU and bowl games.

    "We used to go to the Holiday Bowl," he said, "and our fans would bring a 50 dollar bill and the Ten Commandments and break neither." ...

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 5:06 a.m.

    This whole notion of tipping is a very clever invention of restaurant owners by which they have been able to get out of paying their servers a fair wage. They successfully have conned American society into thinking that this is the customer's responsibility, when it really is not. After all, the customer already is paying through the nose, based on the exorbitant menu price.

    Not only do these restaurateurs falsely guilt us into thinking their employeee's wages are our responsibility when it really is theirs, they also scare us with false propaganda that if they must pay their servers more than a lousy $2.13 an hour in the year 2014, then their menu prices "must" go up.

    It is, of course, a lie. In-N-Out Burger pays their people more even though their menu prices are lower and their food ingredients are more expensive.

    How is this possible?

    Greed. Paying one's server $2.13 an hour is disgusting and shameful and finally can only be explained by Greed.

    The less greedy restaurateur pays his worker a fair wage. Again the diner already has paid an exorbitantly high menu price to have food handed to him.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:14 a.m.

    Great letter. Very well thought out and written. Expect to be blasted today by the right wing cons. They don't believe anyone should be paid except for their 1 percent buddies. They are the new kings and we are their serfs.