js, I'm not sure why you are contesting haha's comment. It is still a
commandment to serve a mission. People who don't go have the right to make
that choice not to. But no one has to spend the rest of their life making
excuses for not going. Or justifying it. You go on and do your best in this
life. But I doubt that any current or past church leader would
appreciate your using them as an example as some one who didn't go.There are many commandments, and we all break them during this life time. But
justifying choices because someone else turned out 'all right' is
hardly grounds to justify an action.How about we get back to the
subject of a sweet grand daughter returning from a mission and stop trying to
find fault with good choices some people make who aren't saying they are
better than anyone else?
@ HaHaHaHa...Sorry pal, but things are not so black and white like
that - maybe they were back in your days, but not anymore. As much as serving a
mission is a commandment, there might be many other factors involved - military
work, a unique career opportunity, health issues, etc. I've met with
doctors who decided to not serve a mission when they were young because they
would not have the opportunity to go to med school, however they preach the
gospel to non-members better than many former missionaries. Some of my
colleagues who never served as missionaries are now serving as mission
presidents. Not to mention the fact that the whole First Presidency and most of
the Twelve did not serve missions either.A mission does not
guarantee someone will be "first class" members throughout their lives.
Many returned missionaries go inactive just as easy as someone who never served
- if not easier.
You can correct me if Im wrong, but it has been a commandment for young men to
serve a mission, going on many years now. Of course there is going to be some
"pressure" and difficult feelings if you don't go, but still your
choice. If you make that choice, live with it, you cant change it, and
don't try to make excuses. As in so many things, it really comes down to
self-centeredness ruling our life, or not. Do you really have the desire and
ability to put aside personal issues and look to serve others. Many really just
cant do it.
My observation is that there is a lot of pressure on a young man to serve a
mission, but once he is married there really isn't a stigma any more.
I've known bishops and other leaders who did not serve missions.
FanoftheSith,Well said. Sometimes the General Authorities are just
parents and grandparents doing what any other person would do in their
I believe he is just a typical Grandpa who was proud of his Granddaughter for
serving a mission. I don't believe there are hidden messages between the
lines. Kudos to him for learning how to surf the social media on the Internet.
Red Corvette , You didn't read RedWings post very carefully.....try
Assuming that someone who goes on a mission is somehow "compelled" is
mistaken. No one is "compelled" who makes the preparations necessary
and goes through the interview process, asking and affirming that they want to
go. It used to be that parents could get their son on a mission with a promise
of a car, or college or whatever. Nowadays it takes much more preparation, much
more study and much more desire- as evidenced by the sharp increase in
applications after the age was lowered. Those old days of "smoking up to
the day you went into the mission home" are gone as well. The bar has been
raised more than once since then, and we are seeing better missionaries because
of it.Compelled? Not hardly. They choose to go, or not.
Neither my bishop or stake President served a mission, they have done ok and
both regret not going. It's sad that someone makes a happy occasion into
it being about them and their neuroses. If you didn't serve get over it
and on with your life.
I enjoy Elder Holland's talks..April 2013 he included an amazing remark.And never clarified and no one asked him too.He said "Knowledge is
coming". I tell you he knows it is here. Satan is revealed to
mankind....But we have problem..Satan does not want to give up any power
over us..So our Lord has provided a means of helping us accept Knowledge
Is Coming..IBM Watson, at 7 universities, including Berkeley and U.Tx
Austin willhave student access to Watson......my research for humanity,
under his direction:will be shared.....exposing our warped flawed logic
and beliefs, forced on us children of God, by our Satan mechanism protecting
status quo operations.The question of Watson, IBM won't share
with us: Is Instinct Mechanism An Artificial Intelligence Program? Let that sink into your logic and beliefs.....We will oppose
Satan's power over our choices and win..Because God rules the
universe....His robot entities included............Ask our Prophet Pres.
Thomas S. Monson and Elder Holland: Is this the knowledge you were talking
about? And the battle against Satan is on.....We prepare with
equality under all laws. What do you think we are preparing for??
@ Ranch:I did not serve a mission, and I am currently serving as
Executive Secretary in my Ward. My Bishop and 2nd Counselor did not go in
missions either. In fact, my prior Bishop did not go on a mission. Do I feel a
tinge of regret for what I missed out on? Sure. But I am also who I am because
of my choices. You have obviously had a very negative experience
with thew LDS Church. I am sorry for that. It pains me to see members act
toward others in ways that, while intended to be supportive, end up only causing
more hurt and resentment. I have been victim to this myself.As
Elder Hales once said, "The Lord had a perfect Church until He let us
in". The behavior of members does not weaken my faith in Christ
or take away from the work Christ has done in me to make me a better person.
And I know that Christ has worked to change my heart, because no one else could
have done it!!!
@RedWings;The feeling that you *must* serve a mission to be a member
in good standing is prevalent in the LDS church for the young men. You
wouldn't believe me if I told you how many men I know who did not go and
are made to feel like 2nd class members today.Going because of peer
pressure is being compelled.Going because of family pressure is
being compelled.Going because, now, lots of other girls are going is
being compelled.There are soooooo many ways to compel someone.
Hasn't your mother ever guilted you into something? That was being
Great Picture. He is a happy grandfather. Thank you for sharing
No one can be "compelled to serve". That is a contradiction in
terms...Silly Ranch :)
Get ready sisters; another check box completed on the list of making you feel as
compelled to "serve" as the young men.
I think that is awesome.