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Published: Saturday, Aug. 16 2014 5:59 p.m. MDT

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FanOfTheSith
Vernal, UT

I think that is awesome.

Ranch
Here, UT

Get ready sisters; another check box completed on the list of making you feel as compelled to "serve" as the young men.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

No one can be "compelled to serve". That is a contradiction in terms...

Silly Ranch :)

mufasta
American Fork, UT

Great Picture. He is a happy grandfather. Thank you for sharing

Ranch
Here, UT

@RedWings;

The feeling that you *must* serve a mission to be a member in good standing is prevalent in the LDS church for the young men. You wouldn't believe me if I told you how many men I know who did not go and are made to feel like 2nd class members today.

Going because of peer pressure is being compelled.

Going because of family pressure is being compelled.

Going because, now, lots of other girls are going is being compelled.

There are soooooo many ways to compel someone. Hasn't your mother ever guilted you into something? That was being "compelled".

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

@ Ranch:

I did not serve a mission, and I am currently serving as Executive Secretary in my Ward. My Bishop and 2nd Counselor did not go in missions either. In fact, my prior Bishop did not go on a mission. Do I feel a tinge of regret for what I missed out on? Sure. But I am also who I am because of my choices.

You have obviously had a very negative experience with thew LDS Church. I am sorry for that. It pains me to see members act toward others in ways that, while intended to be supportive, end up only causing more hurt and resentment. I have been victim to this myself.

As Elder Hales once said, "The Lord had a perfect Church until He let us in".

The behavior of members does not weaken my faith in Christ or take away from the work Christ has done in me to make me a better person. And I know that Christ has worked to change my heart, because no one else could have done it!!!

brotherJonathan
SLC, UT

I enjoy Elder Holland's talks..April 2013 he included an amazing remark.
And never clarified and no one asked him too.
He said "Knowledge is coming". I tell you he knows it is here.
Satan is revealed to mankind....But we have problem..
Satan does not want to give up any power over us..
So our Lord has provided a means of helping us accept Knowledge Is Coming..
IBM Watson, at 7 universities, including Berkeley and U.Tx Austin will
have student access to Watson......my research for humanity, under his direction:
will be shared.....exposing our warped flawed logic and beliefs, forced on us children of God, by our Satan mechanism protecting status quo operations.

The question of Watson, IBM won't share with us:
Is Instinct Mechanism An Artificial Intelligence Program?

Let that sink into your logic and beliefs.....
We will oppose Satan's power over our choices and win..
Because God rules the universe....His robot entities included............
Ask our Prophet Pres. Thomas S. Monson and Elder Holland: Is this the knowledge you were talking about?

And the battle against Satan is on.....We prepare with equality under all laws.
What do you think we are preparing for??

bigv56
Cottonwood, CA

Neither my bishop or stake President served a mission, they have done ok and both regret not going. It's sad that someone makes a happy occasion into it being about them and their neuroses. If you didn't serve get over it and on with your life.

Jack
Aurora, CO

Assuming that someone who goes on a mission is somehow "compelled" is mistaken. No one is "compelled" who makes the preparations necessary and goes through the interview process, asking and affirming that they want to go. It used to be that parents could get their son on a mission with a promise of a car, or college or whatever. Nowadays it takes much more preparation, much more study and much more desire- as evidenced by the sharp increase in applications after the age was lowered. Those old days of "smoking up to the day you went into the mission home" are gone as well. The bar has been raised more than once since then, and we are seeing better missionaries because of it.

Compelled? Not hardly. They choose to go, or not.

jeanie
orem, UT

Red Corvette ,
You didn't read RedWings post very carefully.....try again. :)

FanOfTheSith
Vernal, UT

I believe he is just a typical Grandpa who was proud of his Granddaughter for serving a mission. I don't believe there are hidden messages between the lines. Kudos to him for learning how to surf the social media on the Internet.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

FanoftheSith,

Well said. Sometimes the General Authorities are just parents and grandparents doing what any other person would do in their position.

Thank you.

Wonder
Provo, UT

My observation is that there is a lot of pressure on a young man to serve a mission, but once he is married there really isn't a stigma any more. I've known bishops and other leaders who did not serve missions.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

You can correct me if Im wrong, but it has been a commandment for young men to serve a mission, going on many years now. Of course there is going to be some "pressure" and difficult feelings if you don't go, but still your choice. If you make that choice, live with it, you cant change it, and don't try to make excuses. As in so many things, it really comes down to self-centeredness ruling our life, or not. Do you really have the desire and ability to put aside personal issues and look to serve others. Many really just cant do it.

J.S
Bountiful, UT

@ HaHaHaHa...

Sorry pal, but things are not so black and white like that - maybe they were back in your days, but not anymore. As much as serving a mission is a commandment, there might be many other factors involved - military work, a unique career opportunity, health issues, etc. I've met with doctors who decided to not serve a mission when they were young because they would not have the opportunity to go to med school, however they preach the gospel to non-members better than many former missionaries. Some of my colleagues who never served as missionaries are now serving as mission presidents. Not to mention the fact that the whole First Presidency and most of the Twelve did not serve missions either.

A mission does not guarantee someone will be "first class" members throughout their lives. Many returned missionaries go inactive just as easy as someone who never served - if not easier.

AZRods
Maricopa, AZ

js, I'm not sure why you are contesting haha's comment. It is still a commandment to serve a mission. People who don't go have the right to make that choice not to. But no one has to spend the rest of their life making excuses for not going. Or justifying it. You go on and do your best in this life.

But I doubt that any current or past church leader would appreciate your using them as an example as some one who didn't go.
There are many commandments, and we all break them during this life time. But justifying choices because someone else turned out 'all right' is hardly grounds to justify an action.

How about we get back to the subject of a sweet grand daughter returning from a mission and stop trying to find fault with good choices some people make who aren't saying they are better than anyone else?

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