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Published: Friday, Aug. 15 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Friday, Aug. 15 2014 6:28 a.m. MDT

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Wonder
Provo, UT

Why don't we want a new national monument? Is this just another anti-government kind of thing or is there some legitimate reason for being in a tizzy about this? I'm sincere in my question, but admittedly skeptical whenever Republicans get in a dither about things anymore.

Lew Elton Jeppson
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, but does not the monument proposal have merit? Does it not have merit for the entire population of the Unite States? You know this is not Deseret. We are part of the United States and the needs and rights of our entire population must be considered. Your position is provincial to say the least.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

Please Feds: Save Utah from Utah's "leadership"....We've all seen what can happen and Utah would look like a moonscape in decades if left to the greed and corrupt cronyism that is prevalent in Utah politics.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

“Keep (your) mitts off Utah.”

No Utah. Keep YOUR Mitts off our Federal Lands.

“’It was very offensive then, and we hope it doesn't happen again,’ Hatch told the Deseret News.”

So Utah, your senior Senator is offended by the fact that decent public servants seek to protect our Federal lands from indiscriminate exploitation and depredation.

Well then, Senator Hatch might as well get used to being offended.

The decent and honorable people of this nation will NOT let their land be despoiled at the will of the Mighty Orrin, just because HE commands it.

Forget about it Senator Hatch. You’re JUST a Senator. You are NOT the right hand of God. The Constitution is the preeminent law of the land.

We the people don’t think much the Commandments issued by the Great Orrin. Get used to it.

We the people of the United States own that Federal Land, and if you ask us VERY nicely, we might hear you out.

But DON’T even try to order us around.

What Utah needs to realize is that Federal Land belong to us, the people of the United States, not Utah.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

I'm glad to see Orin sticking up for the people who put him in office!

Of course that would be the petroleum and mining corporations, the ones that Utah would sell the formerly public lands to if they can wrestle them away from the feds.

Just wait until Royal Dutch Shell, and the British/Australian Rio Tinto, get their Mitts on Utah land. The "No Trespassing" signs will be sprouting up like sage bush!

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

What does Utah expect from a Democratic President anyway? You don't vote for him. Many in the state are openly hostile to him. The elected representatives are not particularly respectful of him. And the general populace of Utah does not like and rarely elects Democrats for even dog catcher.

When the general populace of a state or city goes all in, in opposition to one political philosophy, and seemingly enforces that orthodoxy through its dominant religious institutions, is it any wonder those in power of another party will turn a deaf ear to their requests?

I know I would. And the President and other members of his party are no saints (as pointed out loudly and repeatedly by the populace of Utah and their elected representatives). Why would they?

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Ever so slight nuance: Utah, it's not your land.

This DesNews "opinion" is the functional equivalent of "keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Short sighted local politicians, who still incorrectly believe they own the land because they live near it. Proximity is not ownership. This "Bundy" I'm owed mentality, because I've lived here a while, is nonsense. Set aside another Park. Utah can be a destination for ALL Americans to come and see. I consider myself already lucky that I don't have to travel from some population dense privately held, state back east.

We're lucky to live in such an awe inspiring place, let's not sell it to the lowest common denominator, who will contribute the most cash to a local politician.

Utah Dem
Ogden, UT

Wonder - this proposal is to turn nearly two million acres into a national monument in the Canyonlands area. Much of this area is currently being drilled for oil and gases which brings economy to the state and helps in funding public education through the School Land Trust. Hope that helps some.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

What's wrong with another monument?

It sounds like the oil and gas boys have bought off our governor! Either that, or it's another "righteous indignation" crying about autonomy.

What's funny is that our legislature never hesitates to exert authority and trample all over city and school district rights. Hypocrisy much?

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

The elite tax exempt foundations that fund and support all the wilderness alliance/sierra club phoney activist organizations are continuing their assault on United States natural resources

Having the resources of the US closed for development is part of the over-all plan to make the US LESS self-reliant and strip her of the ability to pay off national debt and therefore more easily merged into their planned socialist world government.

Esquire
Springville, UT

The federal government has every right to do with its land what it determines best in the interests of the whole of the country. It's pretty simple.

Your attitude is like if I'm a local government official and I tell the state it can't do what it wishes with state owned land unless I say so, just because I live near it. What sense does that make?

You do know that Utah is only a state because the federal government said it could be a state, right?

Prodicus
Provo, UT

@Jeppson: Using "This is not Deseret" as a reason to preserve Utah rather than sell it cheap to out-of-state or multinational extractive companies is ironic.

In the long run, it is the people of Utah- and perhaps in particular those of us who have some of that vision of Deseret- who should be most interested in conservation.

Brigham Young knew this well.

He told the people that pure air, pure soil, and pure water were among their greatest and most treasured assets. He warned us of Gentile industrialists who would come to this Territory to rob us of those assets and pollute the land. He decried those among the Saints who showed disrespect for the community and the building up of Zion, for Creation, and for the Creator by monopolizing and abusing canyons and other natural resources for their own shortsighted profit.

His environmental ethic of stewardship was a point of contention with prevailing American attitudes about the West.

If you look back in time you will find the environmental editorial positions of the Trib and the DN swapped places between his era and the unfortunate James Watt era that lives on today.

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

I also need to mention that the President of the United States receives directives from these same elite tax-exempt foundations when it comes to making national monuments.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Herbert should clarify what he meant:

"Feds, get your mitts off federal land so we can resale it at cheap prices so people like the Koch bros and Ken Ivory may get their mitts on it!"

Every mountain should have a drill and every square mile an oil pump! Parks and monuments are for hippies!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

How sad is it that today, Brigham Young would be labeled a bleeding heart liberal environmentalist today for his valuing of our lands and refusal to led industrialists pillage Utah lands? My oh my how we've changed. Time for us to repent. If a prophet felt like our lands were worth preserving then who are we to defy him?

bodgerdlue
Kearns, UT

The conservation of our natural resources and their proper use constitute the fundamental problem which underlies almost every other problem of our National life. We must maintain for our civilization the adequate material basis without which that civilization cannot exist. We must show foresight, we must look ahead. As a nation we not only enjoy a wonderful measure of present prosperity but if this prosperity is used aright it is an earnest of future success such as no other nation will have. The reward of foresight for this Nation is great and easily foretold. But there must be the look ahead, there must be a realization of the fact that to waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by right to hand down to them amplified and developed.

-Theodore Roosevelt, State of the Union Address (1907)

Words to remember.

woolybruce
Idaho Falls, ID

Utah is critical that the 14 Senators backing the National Monument has not visited Utah, or the site. I suggest that the majority of Utah's political leaders have never visited the area of question. Helicopters and fly overs not included, as they do not classify as a visit. I suggest they could make the entire state a National Monument except for the I-15 corridor and 95% of Utahns would not be affected. Before any points fingers at political leaders outside of Utah not visiting or understanding Utah, Utah's political leaders and residents in general need to look in the mirror, as the vast majority have no understanding or comprehension of Utah other than the I-15 corridor.

byronbca
Salt Lake City, UT

Americans love their National Parks and Monuments, but I wonder if a local politician has ever lobbied to create a National Park in their own state? If that has ever happened I bet it's been over 50 years.

Face it, state politicians hate giving away state lands to the Federal government even when it is in the state's best interest to do so.

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Thanks to Cliven Bundy for inspiring our political leaders

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