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  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:50 p.m.

    "There are some things that are true even if George W. Bush said them"

    Sadly the same thing couldn't be said about this letter writer, or bho and this other worshippers, who make excuses for the liar and chief everyday in these blogs.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Obama's mistake?

    Thinking he could work with a Congress who does not really care about the welfare or betterment of America,
    but who's only stated goal and purpose was to make him a ONE term President.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    @ wrz, Ralph Reid and other conservatives are saying the same kinds of things about needing to transform the country. How is this any different? It's about leading us in a new directions, and that's why we elect new people.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:28 p.m.

    To routerguy, a simple internet search on lowest approval ratings would show that you are completely wrong about President Obama's approval ratings. In fact every president since Kennedy has had lower approval ratings than our current President . That includes the previous Bush presidency. Check your facts before making statements that are blantently untrue.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:22 p.m.

    This is the best letter of the year. I nominate it!

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:39 p.m.

    @routerguy:
    "The reality is Obama had absolutely no administrative experience and no real-world experience, just a great oratory skill."

    Well, we know for sure that he's great at reading the teleprompter.

    @Wonder:
    "This morning you said if only Obama would call a press conference about the issues in Missouri. He did."

    True. He gave a speech condemning the police for trying to maintain the peace until they finally all gave up and went home.

    He also mentioned that there needed to be transparency in the situation. That's right transparency... he being the least transparent White House occupant in a long time.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    @2 bits -- This morning you said if only Obama would call a press conference about the issues in Missouri. He did. Gonna give him credit for doing exactly what you suggested?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    Ernest T. Bass: "The last republican concerned about doing the right thing was Abraham Lincoln."

    To which a Republican might respond "...and we are still waiting for the first Democrat...".

    Such political sniping doesn't do much to advance the debate over the proper way to lead the country.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    The last republican concerned about doing the right thing was Abraham Lincoln.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    @happy2bhere:
    "I think Obama is well on track for the liberal version."

    Indeed he is... which would include a fair about of socialism in the form of government healthcare as well as an open borders policy for the entire world to come in and partake of our largess... which we don't have with a national $17 trillion debt scheduled to be $20 trillion by the time Barack Hussein Obama leaves the white House.

    But we'll have to wait another year or so to get him gone... Whoa! His protege is waiting in the wings to take the reins for more socialism.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    @Rufus T. Firefly,
    Re "Personally, I've not heard "Obama whine that everything is Bush's fault"... you're not listening then... How about Obama's constant reference to any attempts from Republicans to do ANYTHING as, "the people who made the mess trying to tell him how to clean it up"???

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    @ugottabkidn

    Re "The whole Presidency was tainted on inauguration day 2009 when the powers of the Republican party met at the Caucus Room in DC and conspired to commit legislative obstruction"...

    Democrats held the same meeting the day Bush took office. Nanacy Pelosi even got on national TV and announced their plan to obstruct EVERYTING Bush wanted to do...

  • routerguy Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    @rufus,

    Yes, the economy was in a mess, caused to a great degree by the subprime loan debacle, which in turn was caused by the pet projects of Dems like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. While Republicans were not innocent in the mess, it was really the rallying cry of racism by dems, as well as a filibuster in 2005 by dems in the senate, that prevented reforms to Freddy and Fannie; they went bankrupt, banks failed, and the domino effect kicked in. Yes, Obama inherited a mess, but 5 years later he hasn't improved it much.

    I say Obama has never taken responsibility for significant failures, but I can be taught. Give me one good example of a time when Obama took full responsibility for a failed policy or program. And if your response is that he hasn't because all the failures were truly not his fault, either he hasn't lived enough, or you are wearing some pretty rosy colored glasses. John Burroughs said "A man can fail many times, but he is not a failure until he begins to blame somebody else."

    The hypocrisy and double standards are just as common on your side of the isle.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    To "Rufus T. Firefly" you say that Obama inherited a mess. Wasn't Obama a US Senator prior to being elected President? Doesn't that make him part of the problem?

    Also, what has Obama done different from Bush other than the magnitude of the programs and spending?

    When Obama took office we were under $10Trillion in debt (according to the GAO), since Obama took office we have added over $7 Trillion in debt, that is nearly double the amount of debt that was added under Bush.

    What has Obama done that is any different than Bush?

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    Educator

    I'm sorry, but you seem to misremember just how reviled and hated President Bush really was. Remember Dan Rather and that stuff about the Air National Guard? Turned out it was all trumped up by his enemies to try to derail his reelection. Remember the one man show put on by Will Farrell that did nothing but mock Bush. Remember when it was OK to speak of Bush being assassinated, a book even being written about it being a good thing? And as routerguy mentioned about, the things Harry Reid, and others in government, said about Bush was pretty extreme. I'm not saying that Obama has not had his share of abuse, but certainly Bush was not given kid glove treatment either. And truth is, all Presidents suffer this kind of stuff. People on your side need to get past Obama being something special. He isn't, and is proving it every day. Just check the polling data. America has pretty much had it with him. Only his 33% die hard supporters stick with him on many issues anymore.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    Those who claim that Obama doesn't compromise...

    What do you call increasing tax rates to those who make above $500k from $200 is called?
    What do you call Obamacare (originally proposed by Heritage and passed by Romney) instead of what he originally proposed, a single payer system?
    What do you call the stimulus he passed which included 1/3rd tax breaks from his original $2 trillion job works bills?
    Has Obama slashed defense spending?

    Obama is actually a compromiser. In previous decades hed be recognized as a moderate republican in the same way as Eisenhower.

    Sadly, the right is so far off the cliff falling into fascism that everything that isn't anarchy is considered "left" and "uncompromising."

    Even Reagan today would be abandoned by the right as a RINO.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    Rufus: "Can you mention a time when a President has been despised by the GOP more than now?"

    Probably not, but I can't definitely mention a time when a president has been despised by the DEMS more than Obama is now by the GOP...our last president, George W. Bush.

    So many commentators have such a short memory and seem to forget all the vile things that they said about GWB and blamed everything on him (and still do).

    Of course, in their minds everything they said about Bush was true so that didn't count, while now all the critisism of Obama from the right must be patently false.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    I am trying to figure out how a political activist group can have so much influence over the party that had not just a majority in Congress, but a supermajority. Do you realize that during the first 2 years of Obama's administration that he couldn't even get his own party to back up his plans? To get the ACA passed, he had to make sweetheart deals to convince his own party members to vote in favor, then had to use loopholes in the procedures to get it passed?

    Also, if everything is the fault of the Tea Party, why is it that the US was hemorrhaging jobs until the Democrats lost power, and a few Tea Party people were able to get in. Why is it that things have only improved since the Tea Party has been raising questions about Obama's policies?

    Obama's mistake was running for a second term. He should have just bowed out and retired so that he could work on his golf game without being interrupted by the crises he started.

    To "ugottabkidn" Since when did Harry Reid join the Republicans? He has been the biggest obstruction to debating laws in the Senate.

  • routerguy Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    @ the educator

    Well, let's see. There was the Texas NG witch hunt. And ad hominem attacks by every liberal news outlet and talk show host out there. Yes, he may have done some interesting "speachifyin", but he did not deserve the vile rants against his person he received and continues to receive from those same sources. Harry Reid even called him a loser and a liar. I don't recall nearly that much ad hominem venom from mainstream Republicans about Obama. Never heard a national figure accuse Obama of being a loser or liar, except Joe Wilson, who apologized.

    IMO, the mainstream media plays up stupid comments from fringe groups whom they label as main stream republicans (birthers are a good example - and NO, Trump is not a main stream republican), but don't seem to give stupid comments from mainstream democrats the same airplay.

    By the way, before you accuse me of being a FOX news dupe, I do not listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck et al, because they seem only to whine and want to stir up emotion without having solutions to present. But I'm sure tired of Obama whining that everything was Bush's fault.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    Obama, like Clinton, faced gridlock, neither side was willing to budge. Unlike Clinton, who learned to compromise, Obama has declared himself ruler.

    We need the tea party to counter the progressive Democrats. One group is far to the left, one far to the right.

    With 31% of the country satisfied over his immigration policies and only 33 percent who like his foreign policy, he's lost the country.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    The whole Presidency was tainted on inauguration day 2009 when the powers of the Republican party met at the Caucus Room in DC and conspired to commit legislative obstruction an act of sedition at best. Less than one week later Mitch McConnell confirmed this strategy speaking to the Heritage Foundation. The mouthpiece of the Republican Party (Rush Limbaugh) repeated the strategy shortly after that. Republican legislators have voted against and filibustered at record rates and when you consider that most of this was done toward their own co-sponsored bills you might want take notes. Dems had a filibuster proof Senate exactly 72 days. This is the game invented and perfected by Republicans and they practiced it with the previous Democratic POTUS. As far as the TP's go they would have had a noble objective if a) they had not acted as though the corrupt marriage of business and politics was an Obama invention and b) they had not sold their soul to the highest bidder which starts with Koch and is enforced by ALEC. This conspiracy is as plain as the nose on your face and was blessed by Citizens United.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    The left was never as hateful toward W as the right has been towards Obama. Did Bush ever have to show his birth certificate? How many times was he sued? Did the minority leader of the senate ever declare that his job was to make Bush a one term President?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    @RC in WJ,
    I don't "hate" Obama. I guess I just expect more of him than you do.

    I expect him to at least TRY to deliver on the promises he made during his inspirational speeches to the youth of America in his Presidential Campaign.

    Has he even TRIED to solve the racial divide???
    What has he done???

    I didn't say Republicans have done anything to solve the racial divide recently. I think they are equally pathetic. So don't expect me to defend them...

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    When the President dances the night away with a bunch of rich folks in Martha's Vinyard while America burns, and says NOTHING... I have a problem with that. Get on the dang TV and say something to bring the people together. Tell them to stop the rioting and looting!

    They probably voted for you... maybe they will listen to you now...

    And every other time a racial issue has come up... he's either done/said NOTHING... or said something to make it WORSE!

    I just expected MORE from him (on solving America's racial divide)... I guess you didn't?... or you would be with me asking him to DO SOMETHING.

  • routerguy Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    @ rufus

    Just do a general internet search "how many bills has the senate passed" and there are references galore, from both sides of the isle. Last count I saw was 269 to 21.

    But more importantly, does a poll of approval really mean that much? If so, why do you not reference the fact that Obama has the lowest approval rating of any president in modern history? Libs seem to love polls, and the Obama administration has seemed to use them to govern from more than governing from good sense. Harry Reid sure does.

    I'm not saying that the Republicans are blameless; both sides are only looking to the next election. But I have found it interesting that in over 5 years of his presidency, Obama has YET to say mea culpa on an issue of significance that has failed. He blames everyone from the Tea Party to the gardener when things go bad, but will always take credit for things that go well or even poll well.

    I just want to know when Obama will finally decide to OWN his presidency. He needs to OWN all of it, not just the good parts. That's what a true leader does.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Don C

    It really depends upon a very subjective definition of what American greatness is. To liberals they might say, high tax, big government, equal economic outcome guaranteed, universal single payer health care, and a generally isolated, benign foreign policy along with a small military.

    A conservative would take a much different view of what American greatness would look like. I think Obama is well on track for the liberal version. And obviously the conservative/Republicans are trying to prevent his vision from becomming reality. It has been no different when a Republican President has tried to put forth his version of American greatness and been opposed by the Democrats. That's basically how our system works and is supposed to work. What seems to be out of balance is that people who support Obama believed that the opposition was supposed to lay down and let him have his every wish. Because he was supposedly a "transformative" President, unlike any other we've ever had. Well, that doesn't seem to be the case, and in any case, for the opposition to not represent nearly half the people of the U.S. would be derelection of duty.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    "Maybe the mistake President Obama made was saying what he wanted to do to make our country great again..."

    That's not what he said. What he said was... he would 'fundamentally transform' this country. We don't need transforming. We were a great nation when he took over the White House. He has actually taken us in the wrong direction.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    @Rufus "I'm saying that we need to get back to partisanship, compromise, statesmanship, and civility."

    One of these words is not like the other.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    I have to give it to "2 Bits" and "Mountanman" they have an never ending supply of the Hate Obama koolaid! Misery must be getting up every morning knowing that Obama won the last two presidential elections and hating the man!

    2 Bits writes " he consistently does NOTHING when there are racial issues". I ask 2 Bits to take a moment and enlighten us on somethings sterling the Repubs. have done recently in regard to racial issues!

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    The far left goes to bed each night being thankful for the tea party as noted by previous comments. They can blame every failure of the Obama foreign and domestic policy on a bogey man. The tea party is not responsible for indecision and vacillation in foreign policy, crony capitalism, lack of transparency, an administration run by and for lobbyists, a ballooning federal debt, slow job growth and multiple administration scandals. You know someone is a failure when they blame everything on others.

  • routerguy Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    The left would do well to remember a few things from history (not from their jaded memory of history):

    1) Dems were as rabidly against W as the Tea Party is against Obama. W wanted to work with the Dems, but dems basically took their ball and went home. The difference between the administrations is that the media is on the side of the libs and ALWAYS reports that the Republicans are the roadblocks. Just not always true historically.

    2) When the Dems owned both houses and the White House, not much got done either.

    3) The Republican-owned house has passed hundreds of bills (some good, some bad) over the last few years, but the Democrat-owned Senate has stubbornly refused to act, passing only a handful of bills on their own. The REAL roadblock right now is Harry Reid trying to keep the dem's heads low until the election. Not my version of history, but reality. Look it up......

    The reality is Obama had absolutely no administrative experience and no real-world experience, just a great oratory skill. Speeches don't substitute for knowledge. Mr. Obama needs to stop trying to preserve his legacy and take a chance on something.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    Projection is apparently one of the primary talents of the Left.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    Oh great... the "Tea Party" bogey man again...

    How many times are you guys going to trot that one out there?

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    We have NOTHING to fear from the Tea Party. The things they want are GOOD things. Google their platform and see. They aren't what the hard-core Dems stereotypes pretend (racists, hicks, rich people, etc). They are just Americans that want to see America keep going (and not end up in the trash pile of History because we spent and taxed ourselves into oblivion).

    They may oppose the President (or Democrats) on a some things. But just a few years ago, Democrats were the ones insisting it was their "DUTY" to oppose the President, and be vocal, and protest, and shut him and his agenda down... But now if anybody disagrees with Obama... they are Evil and vilified by the same people who protested and tried to shutdown the last President? Isn't that a double-standard?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 8:53 a.m.

    I guess that's one way of looking at it.... A very BIASED view, but I guess everybody has their own opinion.

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    I suppose we have to accept the fact that Obama was wrong when he said Iraq was "Stable" and "Secure" a few months ago. They weren't stable and secure then... and they aren't now.

    I think his BIGGEST mistake is... he consistently does NOTHING when there are racial issues. He just sits on the sidelines, or says something that makes it WORSE! He was supposed to be the man who had the unique ability to talk turkey with minorities and get us all working together... how's THAT working so far?

    If I were President (black or not) I would get on the air waves and make a statement of unity and encouragement in the face of the nightly riots and looting going on in Missouri (even if you ARE on vacation).

    You are sending the WRONG MESSAGE to America if you just go out dancing and golfing while this is going on in the country you are President of!

    Call a Press-Conference... Do SOMETHING!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    May I nominate this as the Great Letter of the Year?

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    @Don Cunningham "Maybe the mistake President Obama made was saying what he wanted to do to make our country great again...."

    No, the mistake he made was saying he wanted to fundamentally transform America. Weakness abroad, and lawlessness and welfare dependency at home are not my cup of tea.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    In fairness, he also made the mistake of believing the Democrats would actually be reasonable and willing to compromise on important issues like health care, immigration, and taxes....

    Compromise means BOTH sides give and take. Not just take.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    Curmudgeon nailed it. He had no idea how stubborn the right would be, in an all out battle on their part to have him accomplish nothing. That failing, they tried to make everything in the world his problem or fault. That too, floundering in the meritless radio static, they are going to sue him.

    He was a fool to believe that the right cared more about Americans than their party, sadly the evidence is overwhelming where their loyalties lie.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    It's a pity that Republicans and their Tea Party subsidiary has put partisanship above nation. Who could ever say that a Republican leader vowing to ensure the failure of a yet to be inaugurated President is in the interest of the country? Never before have I seen an opposition party take that approach and attitude. Fighting over the next election is one thing, but deliberately working to destroy the person selected by the American people is beyond the pale. In the past, I voted for the person I thought would do the best job. I worked for a Utah Republican Senator and a Democratic President. However, the Republicans have convinced me that they should never get my vote again. I would normally reserve the right to change my mind, but the GOP is showing no sign of moderating or becoming sane.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    In a wide-ranging interview with the New Yorker, Barack Obama compared Al-Qaeda-linked militants in Iraq and Syria to junior varsity basketball players, downplaying their threat as small-league.
    No Don, as most of us see, Americans made the mistake of electing Obama. Even Hillary warned us that Obama was unprepared and unqualified to lead our country! She was right!

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    So it's obama's fault that a well financed group from the Koch bros has gerrymandered districts and taken the House? It's obama's fault that the tea party has no idea how to govern?

    Can we blame the incompetence of GOP leadership on Obama too?

    How about the Chicago Cubs World Series drought?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    This country will be great again despite the Tea Party's best efforts to turn the US into a Western version of Iran, their vicious hatred of Obama notwithstanding.

    Forbes Magazine recently said, "Obama has a sterling, possibly incomparable record in promoting economic growth."

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:08 a.m.

    I think Obama's biggest mistake was believing the Republicans would actually be reasonable and willing to compromise on important issues like health care, immigration, and taxes, and that they cared about American citizens other than the 1%. He was oh so wrong on those.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 6:48 a.m.

    Maybe some of the things GW Bush said are true, but not many.

    "Mission Accomplished" comes to mind. . .