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Published: Thursday, Aug. 14 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@RC in WJ,
I don't "hate" Obama. I guess I just expect more of him than you do.

I expect him to at least TRY to deliver on the promises he made during his inspirational speeches to the youth of America in his Presidential Campaign.

Has he even TRIED to solve the racial divide???
What has he done???

I didn't say Republicans have done anything to solve the racial divide recently. I think they are equally pathetic. So don't expect me to defend them...

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When the President dances the night away with a bunch of rich folks in Martha's Vinyard while America burns, and says NOTHING... I have a problem with that. Get on the dang TV and say something to bring the people together. Tell them to stop the rioting and looting!

They probably voted for you... maybe they will listen to you now...

And every other time a racial issue has come up... he's either done/said NOTHING... or said something to make it WORSE!

I just expected MORE from him (on solving America's racial divide)... I guess you didn't?... or you would be with me asking him to DO SOMETHING.

The Educator
South Jordan , UT

The left was never as hateful toward W as the right has been towards Obama. Did Bush ever have to show his birth certificate? How many times was he sued? Did the minority leader of the senate ever declare that his job was to make Bush a one term President?

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

The whole Presidency was tainted on inauguration day 2009 when the powers of the Republican party met at the Caucus Room in DC and conspired to commit legislative obstruction an act of sedition at best. Less than one week later Mitch McConnell confirmed this strategy speaking to the Heritage Foundation. The mouthpiece of the Republican Party (Rush Limbaugh) repeated the strategy shortly after that. Republican legislators have voted against and filibustered at record rates and when you consider that most of this was done toward their own co-sponsored bills you might want take notes. Dems had a filibuster proof Senate exactly 72 days. This is the game invented and perfected by Republicans and they practiced it with the previous Democratic POTUS. As far as the TP's go they would have had a noble objective if a) they had not acted as though the corrupt marriage of business and politics was an Obama invention and b) they had not sold their soul to the highest bidder which starts with Koch and is enforced by ALEC. This conspiracy is as plain as the nose on your face and was blessed by Citizens United.

SLars
Provo, UT

Obama, like Clinton, faced gridlock, neither side was willing to budge. Unlike Clinton, who learned to compromise, Obama has declared himself ruler.

We need the tea party to counter the progressive Democrats. One group is far to the left, one far to the right.

With 31% of the country satisfied over his immigration policies and only 33 percent who like his foreign policy, he's lost the country.

routerguy
Bountiful, UT

@ the educator

Well, let's see. There was the Texas NG witch hunt. And ad hominem attacks by every liberal news outlet and talk show host out there. Yes, he may have done some interesting "speachifyin", but he did not deserve the vile rants against his person he received and continues to receive from those same sources. Harry Reid even called him a loser and a liar. I don't recall nearly that much ad hominem venom from mainstream Republicans about Obama. Never heard a national figure accuse Obama of being a loser or liar, except Joe Wilson, who apologized.

IMO, the mainstream media plays up stupid comments from fringe groups whom they label as main stream republicans (birthers are a good example - and NO, Trump is not a main stream republican), but don't seem to give stupid comments from mainstream democrats the same airplay.

By the way, before you accuse me of being a FOX news dupe, I do not listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck et al, because they seem only to whine and want to stir up emotion without having solutions to present. But I'm sure tired of Obama whining that everything was Bush's fault.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

I am trying to figure out how a political activist group can have so much influence over the party that had not just a majority in Congress, but a supermajority. Do you realize that during the first 2 years of Obama's administration that he couldn't even get his own party to back up his plans? To get the ACA passed, he had to make sweetheart deals to convince his own party members to vote in favor, then had to use loopholes in the procedures to get it passed?

Also, if everything is the fault of the Tea Party, why is it that the US was hemorrhaging jobs until the Democrats lost power, and a few Tea Party people were able to get in. Why is it that things have only improved since the Tea Party has been raising questions about Obama's policies?

Obama's mistake was running for a second term. He should have just bowed out and retired so that he could work on his golf game without being interrupted by the crises he started.

To "ugottabkidn" Since when did Harry Reid join the Republicans? He has been the biggest obstruction to debating laws in the Senate.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Rufus: "Can you mention a time when a President has been despised by the GOP more than now?"

Probably not, but I can't definitely mention a time when a president has been despised by the DEMS more than Obama is now by the GOP...our last president, George W. Bush.

So many commentators have such a short memory and seem to forget all the vile things that they said about GWB and blamed everything on him (and still do).

Of course, in their minds everything they said about Bush was true so that didn't count, while now all the critisism of Obama from the right must be patently false.

The Educator
South Jordan , UT

Those who claim that Obama doesn't compromise...

What do you call increasing tax rates to those who make above $500k from $200 is called?
What do you call Obamacare (originally proposed by Heritage and passed by Romney) instead of what he originally proposed, a single payer system?
What do you call the stimulus he passed which included 1/3rd tax breaks from his original $2 trillion job works bills?
Has Obama slashed defense spending?

Obama is actually a compromiser. In previous decades hed be recognized as a moderate republican in the same way as Eisenhower.

Sadly, the right is so far off the cliff falling into fascism that everything that isn't anarchy is considered "left" and "uncompromising."

Even Reagan today would be abandoned by the right as a RINO.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Educator

I'm sorry, but you seem to misremember just how reviled and hated President Bush really was. Remember Dan Rather and that stuff about the Air National Guard? Turned out it was all trumped up by his enemies to try to derail his reelection. Remember the one man show put on by Will Farrell that did nothing but mock Bush. Remember when it was OK to speak of Bush being assassinated, a book even being written about it being a good thing? And as routerguy mentioned about, the things Harry Reid, and others in government, said about Bush was pretty extreme. I'm not saying that Obama has not had his share of abuse, but certainly Bush was not given kid glove treatment either. And truth is, all Presidents suffer this kind of stuff. People on your side need to get past Obama being something special. He isn't, and is proving it every day. Just check the polling data. America has pretty much had it with him. Only his 33% die hard supporters stick with him on many issues anymore.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Rufus T. Firefly" you say that Obama inherited a mess. Wasn't Obama a US Senator prior to being elected President? Doesn't that make him part of the problem?

Also, what has Obama done different from Bush other than the magnitude of the programs and spending?

When Obama took office we were under $10Trillion in debt (according to the GAO), since Obama took office we have added over $7 Trillion in debt, that is nearly double the amount of debt that was added under Bush.

What has Obama done that is any different than Bush?

routerguy
Bountiful, UT

@rufus,

Yes, the economy was in a mess, caused to a great degree by the subprime loan debacle, which in turn was caused by the pet projects of Dems like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. While Republicans were not innocent in the mess, it was really the rallying cry of racism by dems, as well as a filibuster in 2005 by dems in the senate, that prevented reforms to Freddy and Fannie; they went bankrupt, banks failed, and the domino effect kicked in. Yes, Obama inherited a mess, but 5 years later he hasn't improved it much.

I say Obama has never taken responsibility for significant failures, but I can be taught. Give me one good example of a time when Obama took full responsibility for a failed policy or program. And if your response is that he hasn't because all the failures were truly not his fault, either he hasn't lived enough, or you are wearing some pretty rosy colored glasses. John Burroughs said "A man can fail many times, but he is not a failure until he begins to blame somebody else."

The hypocrisy and double standards are just as common on your side of the isle.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Rufus T. Firefly,
Re "Personally, I've not heard "Obama whine that everything is Bush's fault"... you're not listening then... How about Obama's constant reference to any attempts from Republicans to do ANYTHING as, "the people who made the mess trying to tell him how to clean it up"???

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@ugottabkidn

Re "The whole Presidency was tainted on inauguration day 2009 when the powers of the Republican party met at the Caucus Room in DC and conspired to commit legislative obstruction"...

Democrats held the same meeting the day Bush took office. Nanacy Pelosi even got on national TV and announced their plan to obstruct EVERYTING Bush wanted to do...

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@happy2bhere:
"I think Obama is well on track for the liberal version."

Indeed he is... which would include a fair about of socialism in the form of government healthcare as well as an open borders policy for the entire world to come in and partake of our largess... which we don't have with a national $17 trillion debt scheduled to be $20 trillion by the time Barack Hussein Obama leaves the white House.

But we'll have to wait another year or so to get him gone... Whoa! His protege is waiting in the wings to take the reins for more socialism.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The last republican concerned about doing the right thing was Abraham Lincoln.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Ernest T. Bass: "The last republican concerned about doing the right thing was Abraham Lincoln."

To which a Republican might respond "...and we are still waiting for the first Democrat...".

Such political sniping doesn't do much to advance the debate over the proper way to lead the country.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@2 bits -- This morning you said if only Obama would call a press conference about the issues in Missouri. He did. Gonna give him credit for doing exactly what you suggested?

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@routerguy:
"The reality is Obama had absolutely no administrative experience and no real-world experience, just a great oratory skill."

Well, we know for sure that he's great at reading the teleprompter.

@Wonder:
"This morning you said if only Obama would call a press conference about the issues in Missouri. He did."

True. He gave a speech condemning the police for trying to maintain the peace until they finally all gave up and went home.

He also mentioned that there needed to be transparency in the situation. That's right transparency... he being the least transparent White House occupant in a long time.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

This is the best letter of the year. I nominate it!

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

To routerguy, a simple internet search on lowest approval ratings would show that you are completely wrong about President Obama's approval ratings. In fact every president since Kennedy has had lower approval ratings than our current President . That includes the previous Bush presidency. Check your facts before making statements that are blantently untrue.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ wrz, Ralph Reid and other conservatives are saying the same kinds of things about needing to transform the country. How is this any different? It's about leading us in a new directions, and that's why we elect new people.

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