rogerdodgerIt's too bad for you that reality doesn't match
your BYU hating fantasy.BYU had the 38th toughest schedule in 2013,
tougher than any schedule Utah has ever played and still qualified for a bowl,
and much tougher than Utah State's #74 schedule.
BYU will always go to a bowl game year in and year out. The reason for this is
because BYU always schedules at least 8 wins into the schedule (Nobody's).
Then they always lock into a lower tier bowl as to never be left out. With this
the way it is. It is always easy to brag about how many bowl games in a row they
have been to. Its not that hard to hit 6 wins scheduling high school teams and 1
or 2 decent teams every year. Also,I hear all this bragging about how BYU can
schedule and play anyone. Well all teams can schedule whoever they want. Its
time for BYU to schedule more aggressively against better competition.
Uteology"UCF, Utah State, BYU, are NOT contenders. It's
really that simple. There is no one claiming that they are, EXCEPT BYU
'fans'..."Yet ESPN published an article just yesterday
listing both BYU and Utah State as potential playoff spoilers.Are
you claiming that ESPN is now controlled by BYU fans?I know it hurts
to think that you're one of the big boys, only to find out that the
national media has more respect for the two non-P5 programs in Utah, than it
does for the Utes, but that's just the way it is.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteologyIt's
funny how you completely ignored the obvious rebuttal to the following:"The Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even mentioned as a
potential playoff contender by any national media."Show us an
article published in the national media that lists Utah as a "potential
playoff contender".----------------Why? I have
always maintained Utah is looking at best a 7-5 season. Never ONCE did I claim
Utah was a contender for a playoff spot.UCF, Utah State, BYU, are
NOT contenders. It's really that simple. There is no one claiming that
they are, EXCEPT BYU "fans" on this thread. They might get into a
January game, in that order. Good luck!
Spokane UteIt's better to be considered a contender rather than
BYU in the playoff? Now I'vd seen it all on Bonanza. No, and I mean No
tinplaterMaybe this will answer your question:Total
Appearances in the Final AP Poll1 Michigan 572 Oklahoma 543 Ohio State 534 Alabama 514 Notre Dame 516 Nebraska 487 USC 467 Texas 469 Tennessee 4210 Penn State 40
uteologyIt's clear that the average ranking of AP appearances
is a meaningless comparison, unless you're trying to argue that #105 Randolph Field (TX) with one appearance and an average ranking of 3.0and#92 Iowa Pre-Flight with two appearances and an average ranking of
4.0are better than all-time leader#1 Michigan with 57
appearances and an average ranking of 9.46btw, in the entire history
of the AP poll, only 27 of the 133 programs that have appeared in the Final AP
Poll have finished #1 at least once.
@skywalker,Thanks, but if that is the case…Associated Press Top
10/20/25 where are the national powerhouses like Alabama, USC, Texas, Oklahoma,
Notre Dame, Etc?
Keep in mind uteology doesn't even know what a "Mike" LB is, in
fact he's never even heard of one. Someone that knows that little about
football is not worth arguing with.
UteologyIt's funny how you completely ignored the obvious
rebuttal to the following: "The Utes, despite their P5 status,
aren't even mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national
media."Show us an article published in the national media that
lists Utah as a "potential playoff contender".Obviously, you
can't, so you resorted to your typically lame strategy of setting up a
straw man argument.
UteologyIt's laughable that the opinions of the ACC and SEC
commissioners suddenly carry more weight in your BYU hating view, than the
opinion of PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott, who said:"it makes a
lot of sense" for teams in [the PAC 12] to schedule football games against
independent BYU."They’re a school that's got a great
reputation, a great history of success," Scott said during media days at the
Paramount Studios. "I’d consider it a high-quality matchup when our
teams play against them."
"it clearly says BYU will be the last team looking in from that list of
mid-majors"The article doesn't say any such thing.In fact, it doesn't even use the pejorative term "mid-major",
instead it says:"Here's a look at five teams from the
non-Power Five conferences that might be spoilers in 2014:..."BYU's path to the playoffs isn't any more difficult than any of the
other non-P5s; BYU simply isn't "protected" for the four New
Year's Day bowl games.
Uteology"BYU is listed as a contender? Where?"two words: reading comprehensionGandalph clearly cited the source,
ESPN, which just published an article entitled:"Five potential
playoff spoilers"First on the list: BYU Cougars
(Independent)The article shouldn't be too difficult to find; it
was published August 15, 2014.
UteologySeriously, you're trying to argue which team with 17 AP
Top 25 finishes should be ranked above the others based on "average
ranking"?LOL!Talk about desperate.The
site from where the data was pulled clearly lists all five teams as tied for
33rd at 17 appearances (that's what that little #33 preceding the name of
each team represents).Which, regardless of how you spin it, is light
years ahead being tied for 73rd at 5 appearances, bottom of the barrel in the
PAC 12, and nearly bottom of the barrel versus all P5 teams and below almost a
@talkinsportsbtw, it laughable that someone like Uteology pretends
that BYU isn't a high caliber opponent when the PAC 12's own
commissioner said otherwise.-------------Someone like
me? You mean someone like the SEC?"The ACC and SEC also
didn't include BYU as a potential "power" conference opponent for
their member schools, which is going to make it difficult for the Cougars to put
together a schedule that is demanding enough in the eyes of the selection
committee." -- ESPN
GandalphSandy, UTUteologyDespite all of your
blather, ESPN just published an article entitled:"Five potential
playoff spoilers"First on the list:BYU Cougars
(Independent)------------First on the list?Yes, because it's in alphabetical order. If you spent the
time to read it, it clearly says BYU will be the last team looking in from that
list of mid-majors.Also, it's not a list of playoff contenders
it's "a look at five teams from the non-Power Five conferences that
might be spoilers in 2014".
@GandalphThe Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even
mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national media.-------------BYU is listed as a contender? Where?Nice
try but that article you quoted has nothing to do with P5 teams. It was about
mid-majors, and it listed BYU as one of those mid-majors. Congrats!BTW you for got to quote the rest of the article, which says BYU is even in
WORSE position than MWC (Utah State).The ugly: BYU, perhaps more
than any other program, seems to be on the outside looking in when it comes to
the new postseason. The sport's power brokers only protected the
highest-rated champion of the non-Power Five conferences (AAC, Conference USA,
MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt) and Notre Dame (which has a partial tie-in with
the Orange Bowl) when it wrote the selection rules for the playoffs and the
other four New Year's Day bowl games. BYU, which became an independent in
2010, obviously doesn't belong to a conference.
Utah fans' desperate hope of the P5s going to a complete P5 vs P5 schedule
is nothing but a pipe dream.It'll never happen.Too
many of the big boys like playing a 7-game home schedule, which would be
impossible if they weren't allowed to schedule FCS and non-P5 teams.For Utah playing a 12-game P5 schedule would be a disaster. The Utes
would never finish above .500 again.btw, it laughable that someone
like Uteology pretends that BYU isn't a high caliber opponent when the PAC
12's own commissioner said otherwise:Pac-12 Commissioner Larry
Scott said it "makes a lot of sense" for teams in his conference to
schedule football games against independent BYU."They’re a
school that's got a great reputation, a great history of success,"
Scott said during media days at the Paramount Studios. "I’d consider
it a high-quality matchup when our teams play against them."
@LonestarRunnerBottom line:BYU has out shown Utah on a
national scale for decades; it's not even close.The only thing
Utah has proven is that they don't deserve to be in a P5 conference.--------------Prove it. Post BYU's BCS Resume.Utah was ranked #10 by CBS Sports the last decade, BYU was #27.FACT: BYU hasn't done anything on the national scale since 1996.By all means keep sticking your head in the sand. Thankfully for Cougar
Nation, Bronco is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.
@DeepBlueAnaheim, CAUteology"Average" Top
25 ranking? Seriously?Regardless of whether you're ranked #1 or
#25, simply being ranked is a mark of excellence.According to your
desperate and convoluted argument, being ranked ONCE at #15, is superior to
being ranked TEN times with an average ranking of #16.--------------No! That is clearly not what I said. Please go
re-read what I said.I clearly compared BYU to other teams with 17 AP
rankings. It's clear that the average ranking for those
programs puts BYU at the bottom in that set. The site from were the data was
pulled clearly did the same when ranking tied teams.For example:33. Stanford 17 11.9233. TCU 17 12.4733. Duke 17 13.4733. Purdue 17 14.4733. BYU 17 15.53...66. Kansas
7 12.29 66. Penn 7 12.4366. Tulane (LA) 7 14.4366. Arizona 7
15.00Source: College Poll Archive
UteologyDespite all of your blather, ESPN just published an article
entitled:"Five potential playoff spoilers"First
on the list: BYU Cougars (Independent)"The good: The
Cougars have been one of the country's most consistent programs, playing in
nine consecutive bowl games and winning at least seven games in the past eight
seasons."Yes, there are some negatives associated with schedule
and not being in a P5 conference, but just to be included in the first list of
potential playoff spoilers shows the respect that BYU still gets from the
national media.The Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even
mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national media.
UteologyA program that's played in 9 straight bowl games and
had three 11+ win Top 15 teams, won two conference championships, and had four
10+ win AP ranked teams during that period, is certainly a lot more
relevant thana program that's been bowl less the last two
years, only had one 11+ win Top 15 team, only won one conference championships,
and two 10+ win AP ranked teams.Bottom line:BYU has out
shown Utah on a national scale for decades; it's not even close.The only thing Utah has proven is that they don't deserve to be in a P5
Bottom-line: This isn't 1994, BYU is irrelevant today!Playoff
is a problem for the little guysAndrea Adelson (ESPN) (8/15/2014)Utah (2004) and TCU (2009), playing outside the [P5] in that era, also made
BCS games and won. But those programs never got the same vitriol of Boise State.
In fact, those programs cashed in on their Mountain West and BCS success,
earning safe harbor into the Power Five....Boise did not. So where does that
leave the Broncos and all their small conference brethren now that the College
Football Playoff era begins?Almost assuredly, out of the mix...Is it any coincidence the College Football Playoff selection committee
will put a premium on [SOS]? All those knocks against Boise State in the BCS era
will be magnified and scrutinized in a much bigger way now.That
criterion makes it feel as though half the programs in college football are
completely disqualified from playoff contention before the season even begins.
There are only 64 tickets into Power Five conferences at this time. Add into the
mix the recent autonomy ruling, another striking blow to the Group of Five
(American, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt), and a clear message has been sent.
@Uteology"That's what happens when you beat up cupcakes and
then get exposed in your bowl game, year-after-year-after-year."Seriously?We are 6-3 in bowl games under Bronco Mendenhall. Even
though we lost last year, we were just coming off of a 4 game winning streak in
bowl games.I know where you're going to go with this:
you're going to say that BYU didn't play anybody good in our bowl
games. Let's throw out 2010-2012 where BYU played mid-majors and just look
at the years where we played P5 teams, which all happen to be the Pac-12.2005- Lost to Cal by 72006- Beat Oregon by 302007- Beat UCLA
by 12008- Lost to Arizona by 102009- Beat Oregon State by 242013- Lost to Washington by 15So we have a 3-3 record against Pac
10/12 teams in bowl games. Our 3 wins were by an average of 18 points, and our 3
losses were an average of 11 points.So we have proven to be slightly
better than the 4th/5th best Pac 12 team.I don't think we get
exposed in bowl games. It looks more like we expose the Pac 12.
ekute, it is u fans like yourself making statements such as " i would
sooner have 2 bcs bowl game appearances than a college national
championship" that make all college football fans laugh out loud ! get a
grip and just admit that you really do love following such a storied football
program such as the Y that has had a National Championship,Heisman Trophy winner
, Davey obrien winner , Maxwell award winner , Outland Trophy winner , college
coach of the year winner , national player of the year winner etc....., and
there will be more to come in the near future . Mark it down !
uu,ok, if we actually wanted to use your "3 yr. time frame for the U,
Whitt. would no longer be the coach at the u . All i can tell you is that Y
football is definitely trending upward . At the u , not so much.....
@ Uteology:Nothing personal... but after reading the last 2 pages of
comments and the hardcore overall program stats brought out on each program,
your rebuttal sounded pretty desperate and weak. It certainly wouldn't
carry much weight in any kind of official debate. When sports
programs have over a century of competition in their histories, trying to
emphasize just a few recent years, or even worse, simply falling back to just an
affiliation to other programs in one's conference makes for an extremely
weak argument for one's team. When looking at the big picture,
BYU's stat's are undoubtedly the best in the entire intermountain
region. Utah's overall stats aren't even close. At this point,
it's very understandable that most hardcore Ute fans would very much like
to just drop this subject and move on to the next unrelated sports article. BTW: 71-39 is the score of the most recently played official basketball
game Utah played and against a WCC team no-less. Looking at their football
schedule, it's possible they may end up with a similar score and result in
one of those football games this season too.
tinplaterTheir are two major college football polls, the Coaches
Poll (which used to be sponsored by UPI), and the AP Poll (which was established
by the Associated Press in 1936).The AP Poll currently includes the
Top 25 teams, but used to only include the Top 20, and for a while, only
included the Top 10.
Thanks...I guess I don't understand "AP top 25"...I read that as
Total Appearances in the AP Poll36. BYU 236 total, *22.0%, 15.3
average, highest rank #168. Utah 77 total, *7.2%, 14.9 average, highest
rank #2* Out of 1071 total polls since 1936It's
pretty pathetic that a program that thinks it's one of the "big
boys", has only been ranked in the AP poll 7.2% of the time.BYU
has more than 3 times as many appearances, with nearly the same average ranking.
tinplater"Just a question, in the top 25 list, how come no
Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Florida State..etc etc? Am I missing
something here?"You'll have to ask Uteology about his list;
Truth Machine's list is obviously just a comparison of how BYU and Utah
stack up against the PAC 12 and versus P5s overall.
Just a question, in the top 25 list, how come no Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas,
Florida, Florida State..etc etc? Am I missing something here? Duke? the
perennial football power house?
UteologyDespite your desperate attempt at minimization, 17 AP Top 25
finishes is 17 AP Top 25 finishes; there is no "tie-breaker" for number
of finishes.It's no surprise that BYU is the best non-P5 in the
country and better than almost half of the P5s when it comes to total number of
AP Top 25 rankings - BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977.It's also no surprise that Utah is the worst team in the PAC 12 and one
of the worst P5s in the country when it comes to AP Top 25 finishes - Utah
didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994.
Uteology"Average" Top 25 ranking? Seriously?Regardless of whether you're ranked #1 or #25, simply being ranked is a
mark of excellence.According to your desperate and convoluted
argument, being ranked ONCE at #15, is superior to being ranked TEN times with
an average ranking of #16.Bottom line:BYU has the 33rd
most AP Top 25 rankings, which is better than half the teams in the PAC 12.Utah has the 73rd most AP Top 25 rankings, which is worse than any other team
in the PAC 12.Bronco(4) has TWICE as many AP Top 25 finishes as
Truth MachineSalt Lake City, UTMUSSing with UAP
Top 25 FinishesBYU 17 (tied with Duke, Purdue, Stanford and TCU for
33rd all time)Utah 5 (tied with Cornell, Dartmouth, Holy Cross and
Indiana for 73rd all time)It's easy to see which is truly a
P5-level program and which is only a pretender.--------------Yes it is easy to see which program is the pretender, it's the one
that is in 40+ years of discussions still begging for a P5 invite. Again, YOU in paritcluar need to worry less about BYU being a P5 team and
start worrying more about beating Utah again. Good luck!
Truth MachineSalt Lake City, UTMUSSing with UAP
Top 25 FinishesUSC 46UCLA 31Wash 22Colo 18BYU 17 (tied with Duke, Purdue, Stanford and TCU for 33rd all time)------------Your not tied with anyone, your average ranking
clearly puts you behind those programs.
@MUSSing with UBaltimore, MDI really don't expect an
answer from the kids on the hill, but I wonder how many P5 members have only had
five AP Top 25 finishes, EVER?--------------There are
about FIVE P5 teams, but only one with 4 years of P5 recruiting.FACT: BYU has the WORST average ranking compared to other schools with 17 or
more AP appearances. That's what happens when you beat up cupcakes and
then get exposed in your bowl game, year-after-year-after-year.Utah
was horrible throughout most of your history. That changed with McBride. It
was mostly a basketball school until then. What's your point? Pitt has 19, Colorado 18, BYU 17, Duke 17, South Carolina 9 and Arizona 7. I
know BYU is but you also think Colorado and Duke are better than South Carolina
today?Final AP Appearances:Iowa State 2Indiana
5Wake Forest 4Vanderbilt 3Rutgers 4Arizona 7South Carolina 9North Carolina 15Army 14Oregon 14Minnesota 13Houston 13Duke 17Purdue 17BYU 17Colorado 18Pitt 19Georgia Tech 24
Shouldn't a P5 at least be in the top 65 of AP Top 25 finishes?BYU has more AP Top 25 finishes than any other non-P5Utah has
fewer AP Top 25 finishes than 11 non-P5s and is tied with three othersThe only P5s with fewer AP Top 25 finishes than Utah are Cincinnati(4),
Rutgers(4), Wake Forest(4), Vanderbilt(3) and Iowa St(2)
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UT@UU - "So what if Kyle has
dominated Bronco? Overall schedule is more than just one game a season, and if
Kyle can get the Utes up for just one game a year I guess it's good for Ute
fans that that game is vs BYU."That's a byu fan's
myth, a coping-mechanism they employ. Even in defeat, there's no question
we got up for all of our games last year, particularly against Osu, Ucla and
Asu, then our W against Stanford. No, byu game is nothing more than a
guaranteed W for us. However, The U means everything to byu:"It
is huge. This is like the Super Bowl...Coach Mendenhall will have us prepared to
play Utah." -- LB Kyle Van Noy"In previous years, I think
it's been the biggest motivation we've had, playing Utah and trying to
beat our in-state rival." -- OL Ryker Mathews"We grew up
watching the rivalry and that's why a lot of us came to BYU...Honestly,
that's lot of the motivation we had...every day we remind ourselves,
'Hey, we've got to beat Utah'." -- DB Drew Reilly
MUSSing with UAP Top 25 FinishesUSC 46UCLA 31Wash 22Colo 18BYU 17 (tied with Duke, Purdue, Stanford and TCU for
33rd all time)Stan 17ASU 16Cal 14Ore 14WSU 11OSU 10Ariz 7Utah 5 (tied with Cornell, Dartmouth, Holy Cross and
Indiana for 73rd all time)It's easy to see which is truly a
P5-level program and which is only a pretender.
Sounds like it's time to suit up that SOS I keep hearing is so good. He
can do it!
I really don't expect an answer from the kids on the hill, but I wonder how
many P5 members have only had five AP Top 25 finishes, EVER?
ekuteLet's try Defcon 3 and yes, your Ute fanbase is concerned.
Only a delusional head in the sand type would argue differently.And
this year's train wreck will be quite entertaining to watch.
ekuteRemind us how Utah's two "current" undefeated
seasons helped Utah qualify for a bowl in 2012 and 2013.The fact is,
the Utes had a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons, then disappeared from the
national radar almost as quickly as they appeared, with practically no
accomplishments on a national scale before or since.No National
Championships, no Heisman Trophies, no national individual award winners, no
national Hall of Fame players, and back to being unranked, just as they've
been for 115 of their 120 seasons.
@ObjectifiedVery sad. Even more-so when one realizes the recent games when
Utah beat BYU were not won very impressively. Most of the 4 were very close,
single-digit single-score difference in the games. BYU even had better overall
stats in the last 2 games. That doesn't leave much to brag about when taken
in full context. ------------------Typical ute
hypocrisy. When BYU had put together a run of games under Beck and Hall that
finished very close in score ute fans attempted to dismiss the streak due to
that fact and commented on that numerous times in message boards.It
just goes to show, you can take the utes out of the MWC but you can't take
the MWC out of the utes.
@71-39"If you really do remember things from over a decade ago
"like it was yesterday", and apparently completely forgotten about the
recent past few years post-season results, you may want to get medically checked
for an Alzheimer disease. A typical symptom is when long-term memory becomes
better than short-term memory."I never said anything about the
past few years, but I do remember them clearly, including Utah perennially
owning BYU on the field.The only thing I said I remember "like
it was yesterday" was attending the big games Utah played in 2008. This was
a response to one of your fellow "fans" characterizing 2008 as ancient
history while simultaneously bragging about 1984. While I enjoy the desperate
attempts to make Utah's BCS Bowl victories seem as old as possible,
I'm sorry to inform you that 2008 was much less than a decade ago. Maybe you're the one who needs to get "checked"?LOL
@ ekute:Before talking too much, you should realize that the dust on
those aging BCS trophies is starting to get quite thick. And before getting into
any discussion with anyone about bowl game accomplishments, please keep in mind
that Utah hasn't even played in any whatsoever over the past few years.
That would put you in a hole before the conversation even gets started...
especially (in comparison) if you consider that BYU has now played in 9 straight
and counting. @ truthsandwich:If you really do remember
things from over a decade ago "like it was yesterday", and apparently
completely forgotten about the recent past few years post-season results, you
may want to get medically checked for an Alzheimer disease. A typical symptom is
when long-term memory becomes better than short-term memory.
What's quite funny is a few paranoid ultra-Ute fans who automatically
assume any negative (even though factually based) comment about any facet of how
the football team is doing, must certainly be coming from BYU fans. Apparently
those particular Ute fans can't stand other Ute fans who aren't afraid
to tell it like it is. The other funny thing is how they would
rather fall back to the old "yes, we stink, but we're still better than
you" excuse. Sad. Very sad. Even more-so when one realizes the recent games
when Utah beat BYU were not won very impressively. Most of the 4 were very
close, single-digit single-score difference in the games. BYU even had better
overall stats in the last 2 games. That doesn't leave much to brag about
when taken in full context. Come on, Ute fans. Take a bit of bad
news like men and not like crybabies. Simply admit there is still room for
improvement in some areas and maintain your faith that things will get better
before the season starts. Enough of the excuses and silly comparisons to past
season games against others.
mistruthsandwich"Utah has just had the superior football team
for the past 20 years."If so, then please explain:-
how Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006, than Utah has in its
entire history.- how Bronco has twice as many AP Top Finishes as Kyle- how Bronco has twice as many conference championships as KyleAren't "superior" football programs supposed to have more than
two accomplishments in their entire football history?
ekuteOnly a jealous Utah fan would be so desperate as to claim that
a bowl trophy is more impressive than a Crystal Football National Championship
Trophy.Even during the BCS era, the only trophy ever displayed
during ESPN Gameday was the Crystal Football trophy.
Old But Not StupidMoorpark, CA"Final statistics, which included
only Wilson, Thompson, Manning and Cox, had the quarterbacks teaming to complete
15-of-44 passes for 228 yards."That is a 34% completion rate; I
think Taysom Hill last year was around 54%, and the crimson crew (aka
Chris' cohorts) crucified him.----------------And
that's with the QB's not even facing live pressure or getting hit. It
would've been worse if it was fully live and the QB's were getting hit
and knocked around. Wow...that's pretty depressing to have your season
basically over and you're not even finished with Fall Camp yet. 2-10 here we come! I wonder who the new Head Coach will be? Who will be the
interim Head Coach that finishes out the season? Lots of questions to be
a couple of other ways to spell it are:D-O-O-MorT-R-O-U-B-L-Eor Nothing new under the sunorSame ol' same ol'or The
more things change the more they stay the sameorThe
Speed of the Leader Determines the Rate of the PackorThose who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat itor....
Soup Sandwich, You remember '08 like it was yesterday. Good for you. Based
on the u's performance thus far in 3 years of PAC-12 football you'll
likely need to rely on those memories for many years to come.
@Johnny Triumph"and if Kyle can get the Utes up for just one
game a year I guess it's good for Ute fans that that game is vs BYU"BYU gets up for their Superbowl every year too. At least that's
what their players have told us.Utah has just had the superior
football team for the past 20 years. It's why BYU
"fans" resort to whiney excuses about "Utah just getting up for that
one game".Always entertaining!
@Christine:"The 1st BCS trophy is now 10+ years old and the 2nd
is nearly 6 years old"LOL in the sentence before this you were
indirectly bragging about a 30 year old trophy*I can remember going
to and experiencing all the big games in 2008 like it was yesterday. None of your players were even alive in 1984. And it doesn't matter how
old you are, you don't remember big BYU games from 1984 because they
didn't play in any. Entertaining example of coug "fan"
@tinplateWe had Tyson Hill like numbers in our first scrimmage. Yes
if we play like that during the season then we will be lucky to win 2 games.
Wilson has shown he can play, he was just too TO prone last year. Scrimmages
won't show if he's improved, that will be over the first 3 games. If
the passing game is like this against ISU then yes Utah dies have some major
UU"I prefer 57 - 34. Hopefully that's wide enough"I prefer ASU undefeated against Utah since 1977 myself. And if the
Quarterback play at the U is 'as advertised' we're going to put
up another 50 burger like in 2012. Utah melts in the desert!
Johnny,Read the posts again my friend is was your very own BYU
comrade who wanted to look at only the Kyle / Bronco era.... so I just played
along and then demonstrated dominance and ownership by the Utes. I prefer a
wider scope that just the Bronco / Kyle era.... I prefer 57 - 34. Hopefully
that's wide enough
@tinplater - well said. No one listens, however, and unless it involves beating
the other school there is no rational discussion on any in state football
@UU - So what if Kyle has dominated Bronco? Overall schedule is more than just
one game a season, and if Kyle can get the Utes up for just one game a year I
guess it's good for Ute fans that that game is vs BYU.
EK - be careful when bragging on our 2 BCS trophies (both of which are well
below any NC trophy - from any era - in prestige, not to mention significantly
smaller). The 1st of our beloved trophies is now 10+ years old and the 2nd is
nearly 6 years old. What has the little red engine that could done since 2008
(besides beat the insignificant mid-major team from Provo)?
You guys are really amusing..this stat debate goes on and on and all I can
conclude is:1. Both BYU and Utah are not very good. One justifies
it's poor record by invoking SOS then claims to be good because it has
beaten the other weak team 4 times,The other justifies its superiority by
living in the past and cherry picking through the media guide.2. It
is impossible to get a rationale discussion about the headline topic for
discussion...ie quarterbacks at the U this camp. The QB's appear to be
less than stellar, I would think there would be some concern voiced by the Ute
fans, but I guess boredom drifts in and they revert to bashing the Y rather than
the topic at hand.
Uteanymous,Pertaining to the current position and future outlook for
each of our teams, 2 current undefeated seasons resulting in 2 BCS Trophies far
outshines a 30 year old *trophy.Not to mention a 20 year head to
head dominance over the team in happy valley.
sammyg,There's not an iota of panic, spin or DEFCON 4 up on The
Hill. In fact, excitement and optimism would better describe the mood of the Ute
program and it's fans.What's to get excited about in happy
valley? Do you realize that at most, byu has 6 games on it's schedule with
any semblance of relevance? They could win all 6 or lose them all, either way
it's the beach bowl...so those games aren't relevant after all. lol.
UU"Sportsfan, I guess two flash in the pan seasons are better
than one."Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but NOTHING beats
a National Championship.When was the last time Utah had back-to-back
Top 7 finishes?When was the last time Utah finished in the Top 12
five out of six seasons?When was the last time Utah was a perennial
Top 25 team for four decades (19 of 38 seasons since 1977)?
Shear panic and spin. It's going to be another lovely Ute season.Does anyone have a short list for a new OC?
If this had been about byu the headline would have read "The Defense
Shines!".We're all familiar with the DN spin on all things
Utah and byu.
@UU"We don't think Utah is better than BYU, we have
verifiable on-the-field proof (see 9 of 12)."You're using
the time span of 2002-2013. In what way does utah's winning streak from
2002-2005 mean that they are better than BYU now? In what way does their win in
2008 or the last few mean? The only game that might give you an argument for who
is better right now is maybe 2013. And that's still a shaky argument,
because this is not 2013, my friend.The fact is, you could spin the
head-to-head records in favor of either BYU or utah depending on the time
period.If you go with all-time, utah wins, but BYU was just starting
their program while utah already had it up and running.If you go
since Lavell Edwards, BYU wins, because BYU mastered the passing game before
anyone else and dominated utah.So the point is, using a certain time
span of head-to-head games does nothing to prove who is better right now. What
happens in 2014 proves who is better right now.
How can a team have a quarterback named "Manning" and not start him?
Uteanymous, Talk about slicing and dicing your way through history; why are you
slicing only the Bronco/Kyle era? Despite the fact that Kyle owns Bronco
head-to-head, it's very funny that you want to call me out in the same post
that you limit your vision to only the Bronco era. Lonestar, the
definition of Utah domination over BYU is 4-0, 9-3, 57-34. It is basically
impossible for BYU to pull even with Utah in our lifetimes.Sportsfan, I guess two flash in the pan seasons are better than one. Remember
BYU's only undefeated season came against the #103 schedule and is easily
the most disputed in college football history. So when we talk flash in the
pan, BYU is the poster child.
Pebbles huh, where and when did you serve LonestarRunner? Leave to a BYU fan to
have to mock someones handle which by the way is "A way you'll never
be." Do you have two teams too like most of your compadres? One that can
actually beat Utah? Way to cherry pick stats as only a Y fan can. Also,
what's the use of all those bowl games BYU has been to when their winning
percentage is oh so bad (Utah has won as many bowl games as BYU), is tied for
the second most consecutive bowl wins. And at least Utah has been to and won
big boy bowls (AKA BCS) unlike your team. How many times has your team gone
undefeated? I can cherry pick stats too, that make Utah like better, not that
hard. Face it LonesstarRunner, if you cherry pick stat you can try to make any
point. The overall picture is the only true picture which is not so good for
BYU going up against Utah. BTW, contrary to some of your postulations, Utah
cracked the AP long before BYU did (1964) and went to bowl games way before them
too (1939) vice (1980ish).
LonestarRunnerHere comes the two-hit wonder recitation, as if their
two recent flash-in-the-pan seasons are representative of Utah's 100+
seasons of mediocrity.
pebblesUtah fan definition of "domination":1/2
as many bowlsBYU 32Utah 171/3rd as many AP Top 25
finishes (BYU had 11 before Utah cracked the AP for the first time)BYU
17Utah 51/4th as many WAC/MWC Championships (including 10 BYU
championships in a row)BYU 23Utah 61/5th as many 11+ win
seasons (BYU has more during the Bronco/Kyle era than Utah has in their entire
history)BYU 11Utah 2And, since BYU and Utah joined a
conference that someone besides your great-grandfather actually remembers:BYU has owned the head-to-headBYU 29Utah 23
UUGotta luv how Utah fans like to slice and dice stats just to help
them sleep at night.Overall versus PAC 12 teams during the
Bronco/Kyle era:Bronco 9-9(50%), with wins over Washington and
OregonKyle 13-21(38%), winless versus Washington and Oregon
footballfrenzy, your Bruins haven't smacked the Utes around since
they've been in the PAC 12. I'm pretty sure I saw Utah beat down the
Bruins 31-6 in their first year in the PAC 12. Yes, UCLA has managed to escape
with wins the last 2 years by a combined total of 14 point, smack down,
that's funny. BTW, what is if with all these my PAC 12 team AKA BYU fans.
It's sad really that your primary team, BYU, isn't enough, so you and
many other Y fans, have to glom on to other teams, and said teams are always
better than BYU (that part I find hilarious). I don't need to glom on to
ASU, Utah is more than enough; certainly enough to handle your primary team,
BYU, who Utah has dominated recently and historically. Go Utes.
Unfortunately, the Utes will again be the bottom feeder of the PAC-10 plus 2.
From the looks of their schedule, they'll be lucky to win three games this
year. Can't wait for my Bruins to smack them around this year on Oct 4. Sad
thing for Kyle though, is he may not last the entire season, if the wins
don't start to happen. PAC12 radio here in Southern Cal, have said that
he's been on the hot seat for the past two season's, and I like Whit!
To bad his team won't win this year as well. Idaho St is probably the only
guaranteed win for the Utes, followed by toss-ups with Fresno St and Colorado.
Michigan, Washington St, UCLA, Oregon St, USC, Arizona St, Oregon, Stanford and
Arizona will all result in losses. It's really sad to read all of the
comments on here by the BYU haters, when they've been more successful than
the Utes. Yes, the Utes are in a 'Power Conference', but you're
not winning any games, and you haven't been bowling for a few years.
Nothing to brag about. Go UCLA!
Oh my gosh! Look at all these comments from byu fans on a Utah article!!! You
guys are obsessed with us!Your lack of self awareness is incredible.
@Christine B. Hedgefog "So that's your consolation. We stink but at
least (we think) BYU would be below us in the doormat position of the PAC. Good
logic!"You missed the point Christine, which is; Why would a fan
base rip on the Utes when they are owned by the Utes? Nice logic! We don't think Utah is better than BYU, we have verifiable on-the-field
proof (see 9 of 12).
taylormade1Let me help you with the time period... over the last 3
years... the same time period that BYU fans like to rip on Utah football because
of their poor performance in the PAC12. During that span BYU has a
28% winning percentage against PAC12 teams while Utah has a 33% winning
percentage. In addition BYU lost to Utah 3 years in a row. Hence the
conclusion that BYU would probably finish around 10th or 11th in the P12.
First of all let's clear something up, this was a LIVE scrimmage for ALL
EXCEPT Wilson. If you are still unsure of this fact, read the articles
@Duckhunter@falsesandwichIt isn't the so called
"haters" saying much other than a bit of mocking of the utah
"fans" trying to spin this. It is the utah "fans" with the
ridiculous comments here.------------Like blaming rain
for a loss?FACT: The QB numbers in our first scrimmage were better
than Tysom Hill's numbers in his first scrimmage (aka Virgina) last
season.What was the SPIN from Cougar Nation? Because it rained on
Hill and apparently it didn't rain on Virgina's QB:Watford
18-32 (56$) 114 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 90 RATHill 13-40 (33%) 175 YDS 1 TD 1 INT
(Pick 6) 73 RAT
Utah's 1st scrimmage 2014: * All QBs: 15/44 (34%) 228 YDS 2 TDS
2 INT* Wilson: 8/21 (38%) 101 YDS 2 TDSBYU's 1st
scrimmage 2013 (aka Virginia):* 13/40 (33%) 175 YDS 1 TD 1 INTWhy are BYU "fans" so giddy with Tysom Hill like numbers against
a legit PAC-12 defense?If Utah plays like this against Idaho State,
lets hope it doesn't rain because we might just lose.
@falsesandwichIt isn't the so called "haters" saying
much other than a bit of mocking of the utah "fans" trying to spin this.
It is the utah "fans" with the ridiculous comments here.The
fact is this, utah's qb's, ALL of them, performed terribly in an
internal scrimmage. That means they had no pressure from rushers, no chance of
being sacked, no worries about anything other than sitting back and throwing the
ball. Now that doesn't mean they'll all be terrible this year but the
utah "fan" spin that it means utah's corners are obviously
"lock down" or else that this atrocious showing was somehow better than
the one Taysom Hill had against Virginia last year in an actual game played
during a hurricane, is just asking to be mocked. There is no way to spin it out
of the truth, it is bad, they were awful, and that is just the way it is.It isn't a definitive statement on how they'll perform this
year, I'll give you that. But whittingham was less than thrilled about it
and he certainly wasn't trying to spin it like you. lol
@Johnny"Too bad this article isn't about BYU, there would
be more Ute fans commenting"Commenting on a Utah article to
whine about Utah fans commenting on BYU articles.. lol
Utah haters? We're Ute fans who are passionate about our team, but hate
the direction (or lack thereof) in the program.
@VegasUte"This run is too funny! All this garbage talk from Utah
haters over a single scrimmage!! LOL!"Please show me where to
find the comment board that you are reading from. Because the one that I'm
reading has about 5 comments making negative remarks about utah's
QB's. And most of them aren't saying that Wilson will be horrible this
year, they are just saying that he needs to bounce back from a rough day.I think you either misinterpreted those comments or you just get
offended too easily.
Lots of chatter from the haters about a Utah scrimmage! I'm
sure they will all put just as much stock in the meaning of these practice games
if the Ute QB's perform well in the next one..lol
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can relate to the ute's predicamentIt's Punxsutawney
football at it's finest in East Salt Lake
I love how the ute fans are jumping off the wilson band wagon so soon and the
season has not even started yet. LOL
Well the D should look good against the u offense. Anyone's d would, even
West High.I can;t wait until they have to play against a real defense and
against a real offense. THAT will be fun.
@JSwaggDaddy:Of course I was being sarcastic. ASU has a steller QB
and a very strong team overall that should make the Nov 1 visit (homecoming
too!) a miserable day for the Utes.
@Vegas Ute, you may be right, it is just practice, but wouldn't you rather
see stats like the Aggies put up yesterday: Keeton 16/22 180 yrds 2 tds,
Garretson 14/25 1 td? Utah's QB performance by any measure was miserable.
Too bad this article isn't about BYU, there would be more Ute fans
So according to utah "fans" playing in a scrimmage where you can't
even be touched is a tougher test than playing an actual game against a p5
opponent. lolAnd then of course the crowning peice of spin was this
beauty"The real take away in this is it looks like the Utes have
some real lockdown CB's this year."Delusion at it's
highest degree. lolNot to mention the hypocrisy of it all. Classic stuff here, just a 'win' of a thread. LOL!
UU "To all Utah haters (err BYU fans) keep in mind..."So
that's your consolation. We stink but at least (we think) BYU would be
below us in the doormat position of the PAC.Good logic!Also, good news for Travis. Getting demoted will free up more time for Tim
McGraw music and long neck bottle sipping (once it's legal, of course)
UU,What pac12 games are you referring to that the Y has played in the last
several years ? Let me help you a bit.The Y has beat the following pac12 teams
over the last 7 years,Washington St.(twice), Oregon St.(twice), Washington ,
UCLA (TWICE , 1 WAS 52-0 ) and Arizona . If you would like to go back 1 more
year , they also beat Oregon ( 38-8) . Looks like to me they would have plenty
of success in the ole pac12 !
@VegasUte - Ute QB play is atrocious and has been for some time.Travis Wilson career - 23 TDs, 22 INTsQB TD/INT ratios2009:
19/9 (Caine/Wynn)2010: 24/12 (Wynn/Caine)2011: 19/10 (Hays/Wynn)2012: 16/9 (Wynn/Hays/Wilson)2013: 22/21 (Wilson/Schulz)The
U has got to find QBs who can #1 throw TD passes (more are needed, especially if
a strong running game should make it easier to throw) and #2 quit throwing so
many INTs! The U hasn't had that since Wynn; there was a short stint of
Hays where he was decent but Chow left and Hays dropped off. And Hays
wasn't the caliber the U needed at backup, Wynn going down hurt a lot and
the impact of a weak #2 is still being felt.Leave BYU out of this,
the U needs better QB play. And if they're not performing against the U
defense with only weeks left until the season starts they'll be in a deep
mess in a hurry.
Re: old not stupid : "That is a 34% completion rate; I think Taysom Hill
last year was around 54%, and the crimson crew (aka Chris' cohorts)
crucified him."So you're equating the first fall scrimmage
performance with a QB whose stats were padded against laughable competition last
year? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Utah QB situation will be just fine.
No one, other than obviously BYU fans, expects them to be game-ready yet. Coach
Whitt is just lighting a fire under them. The real take away in this is it
looks like the Utes have some real lockdown CB's this year.Meanwhile the Ute's QB's will get ready for Oregon and USC at home
and Taysom can prepare for the big Homecoming game against Savannah State.
Those stats you quoted should get even better.
It seems to me that Utah's current situation mirrors that of BYU's
last year. Their starting quarterback is coming off a medical condition and
probably didn't have as much time to prepare this year due to it. They
have a new offensive coordinator with a high tempo cadence that they're
trying to get used to and a tough schedule in which to acclimate to all of
this.I had high hopes for the Cougs last year and they were okay.
I'm thinking that the Utes will have a tough row to hoe this year
especially with the quality of teams they're playing. Stay positive and
good luck, we Cougs know what it feels like.
To all Utah haters (err BYU fans) keep in mind your team has been owned by the
Utes over the last dozen years. Utah is probably the #9 team in the league.
BYU would probable place around 10 or 11 based on their performance against the
Utes and the rest of the PAC12 over the past few years.
Vegas Ute, My point exactly. so what makes you think that if the qb play
is this bad in a hands off scrimmage its going to be any better when the
qb's are playing against pac12 opponents and running for their lives !
This run is too funny! All this garbage talk from Utah haters over a single
scrimmage!! LOL! It is obvious that none of you know anything about football, or
the progression of a team through fall practice.I would much rather
that my QB throw 33% in the first fall scrimmage than 32.5% against Virginia,
34.6% against Texas or 37.5% against Utah. Just sayin'Go
Yikes, looking like a tough year is ahead. No matter how good the D is if you
can't score you won't win. Whitt better start stressing, he
hasn't had decent QB play for the past 3 years.
@tinplaterFortunately the Utes play in the Pac 12 where good quarterback
play is not necessary. My ASU Sun Devils do have a bit of advantage at this
Don't worry guys, Coach Whitt is probably just sore that he couldn't
make his annual "the ute QB situation is in the upper echelon of Pac12
QBs" proclamation. Even though this was a no pressure scrimmage
where QB's weren't getting touched and they still looked bad, I'm
sure they'll be ready for Idaho St and maybe Fresno St (they're
rebuilding this season).Also, Wilson probably has a good reason for
stinking, he probably couldn't see with all that hair in his face. He looks
like a taller version of Jordan Wynn. Maybe that's who he's trying to
pattern his game after.
@tinplater"Fortunately the Utes play in the Pac 12 where good
quarterback play is not necessary. My ASU Sun Devils do have a bit of advantage
at this position, however."Please tell me that was a joke. I
think there is a reason that UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon are the top Pac-12
teams. Those 3 quarterbacks are (in my opinion) among the top 4 QB's in the
conference. I would throw Sean Mannion in there with those 3.
And just like that the door is wide open for Coach Whittingham to get his wish
and start Kendal Thompson. Travis Wilson failed to slam the door and now
Thompson will move to #1 quarterback. It is amazing that with the Utes new OC
that they did not light up the defense. Maybe offense by committee does not
work. Based on yesterdays performance it is going to be a long, long season in
Uteville. 2-10, 3-9 is looking like a reality.
Fortunately the Utes play in the Pac 12 where good quarterback play is not
necessary. My ASU Sun Devils do have a bit of advantage at this position,
You'd think that with as many QBs as Utah has that one with a highly
competitive attitude would step up and take charge. Coach just gave Travis
Wilson public notice that he is not necessarily the starting QB. Maybe that
will wake him up. The QBs may not have played well yesterday, but
all except the freshmen/redshirts have played well in past. Coach Whit is just
getting them jacked a little with his finger pointing. He doesn't do that
often, but high performance from the QB position is critical this year in order
to a have a better than average season, and perhaps, as Rock like to point out,
Whit's tenure as HC. His critique timing is right and by the
time the Idaho St. game comes around, I am confident the right QB will be ready,
or someone behind him will step in and do well.
SoonerUte:"You're fixin to be right cranky when you is a
have'n to pay them cows a stipend to live on your farm and not produce a
lick of milk."Now that was funny! Well done. I hope the
qwarterbacks are fixin to get better or it will be a long dadgum season like
what we seen last year.
Utah is settling in nicely as a perennial doormat.
UU -- "Travis is more preoccupied with his locks than his pass completion
percentage. Cut it."Yes, but have you seen his abs???Maybe Dave Christensen has "simplified" the offense TOO much -- the
defense seemed to figure it out pretty easily. I agree with 79Ute, they'll
be ready for Idaho State -- whatever consolation THAT gives you....
Travis is more preoccupied with his locks than his pass completion percentage.
I hope it's an isolated incident. It would be hard to watch the QB(s) fail
again this year.
It don't matter because we are still in a big boy conference and we are
still power 5 and our pac brothers still like us and that means we are still
prestegous even though none of our quaterbacks shined.Go Utes!
They'll get better as the season gets closer. Its better that they have a
bad game here rather than in a actual game.
"Final statistics, which included only Wilson, Thompson, Manning and Cox,
had the quarterbacks teaming to complete 15-of-44 passes for 228 yards."That is a 34% completion rate; I think Taysom Hill last year was around
54%, and the crimson crew (aka Chris' cohorts) crucified him.
D Sounds good. Hopefully the O catches up by the time the next scrimmage rolls
Like I said, the best QB in the state is Chuckie Keeton2. Taysom Hill3. Whoever's playing QB at Timpview High4. SUU's QB5.
Relax, It's just one bad day!
You can shoot 1000 free throws a day, and 500 3-pointers, but everything changes
when defenders are in your face.The defense will soon look worse,
but Sitake's been there, along with Rowe, and Orchard, and Blechen, et
al.I love watching a football team be built.
Homer from Hoytsville "you'd think with 5 qwarterbaks on the football
team....one of them would be decent. I mean when I go to the cow auction and buy
5 cows...one of thems bound to give milk. So how come we have 5 guys who were
recrooted as PAC-12 quarterbacks and they ain't no good."You're fixin to be right cranky when you is a have'n to pay them
cows a stipend to live on your farm and not produce a lick of milk.
you'd think with 5 qwarterbaks on the football team....one of them would be
decent. I mean when I go to the cow auction and buy 5 cows...one of thems bound
to give milk. So how come we have 5 guys who were recrooted as PAC-12
quarterbacks and they ain't no good.
They'll be ready for Idaho State - mark it down!