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  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    rogerdodger

    It's too bad for you that reality doesn't match your BYU hating fantasy.

    BYU had the 38th toughest schedule in 2013, tougher than any schedule Utah has ever played and still qualified for a bowl, and much tougher than Utah State's #74 schedule.

  • rogerdodger Logan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    BYU will always go to a bowl game year in and year out. The reason for this is because BYU always schedules at least 8 wins into the schedule (Nobody's). Then they always lock into a lower tier bowl as to never be left out. With this the way it is. It is always easy to brag about how many bowl games in a row they have been to. Its not that hard to hit 6 wins scheduling high school teams and 1 or 2 decent teams every year. Also,I hear all this bragging about how BYU can schedule and play anyone. Well all teams can schedule whoever they want. Its time for BYU to schedule more aggressively against better competition.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 9:33 a.m.

    Uteology

    "UCF, Utah State, BYU, are NOT contenders. It's really that simple. There is no one claiming that they are, EXCEPT BYU 'fans'..."

    Yet ESPN published an article just yesterday listing both BYU and Utah State as potential playoff spoilers.

    Are you claiming that ESPN is now controlled by BYU fans?

    I know it hurts to think that you're one of the big boys, only to find out that the national media has more respect for the two non-P5 programs in Utah, than it does for the Utes, but that's just the way it is.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 6:55 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    It's funny how you completely ignored the obvious rebuttal to the following:

    "The Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national media."

    Show us an article published in the national media that lists Utah as a "potential playoff contender".

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    Why? I have always maintained Utah is looking at best a 7-5 season. Never ONCE did I claim Utah was a contender for a playoff spot.

    UCF, Utah State, BYU, are NOT contenders. It's really that simple. There is no one claiming that they are, EXCEPT BYU "fans" on this thread. They might get into a January game, in that order. Good luck!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    It's better to be considered a contender rather than a pretender.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    BYU in the playoff? Now I'vd seen it all on Bonanza. No, and I mean No chance!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    tinplater

    Maybe this will answer your question:

    Total Appearances in the Final AP Poll

    1 Michigan 57
    2 Oklahoma 54
    3 Ohio State 53
    4 Alabama 51
    4 Notre Dame 51
    6 Nebraska 48
    7 USC 46
    7 Texas 46
    9 Tennessee 42
    10 Penn State 40

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:39 p.m.

    uteology

    It's clear that the average ranking of AP appearances is a meaningless comparison, unless you're trying to argue that

    #105 Randolph Field (TX) with one appearance and an average ranking of 3.0
    and
    #92 Iowa Pre-Flight with two appearances and an average ranking of 4.0

    are better than all-time leader

    #1 Michigan with 57 appearances and an average ranking of 9.46

    btw, in the entire history of the AP poll, only 27 of the 133 programs that have appeared in the Final AP Poll have finished #1 at least once.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    @skywalker,
    Thanks, but if that is the case…Associated Press Top 10/20/25 where are the national powerhouses like Alabama, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Etc?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    Keep in mind uteology doesn't even know what a "Mike" LB is, in fact he's never even heard of one. Someone that knows that little about football is not worth arguing with.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's funny how you completely ignored the obvious rebuttal to the following:

    "The Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national media."

    Show us an article published in the national media that lists Utah as a "potential playoff contender".

    Obviously, you can't, so you resorted to your typically lame strategy of setting up a straw man argument.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable that the opinions of the ACC and SEC commissioners suddenly carry more weight in your BYU hating view, than the opinion of PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott, who said:

    "it makes a lot of sense" for teams in [the PAC 12] to schedule football games against independent BYU.

    "They’re a school that's got a great reputation, a great history of success," Scott said during media days at the Paramount Studios. "I’d consider it a high-quality matchup when our teams play against them."

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    "it clearly says BYU will be the last team looking in from that list of mid-majors"

    The article doesn't say any such thing.

    In fact, it doesn't even use the pejorative term "mid-major", instead it says:

    "Here's a look at five teams from the non-Power Five conferences that might be spoilers in 2014:..."

    BYU's path to the playoffs isn't any more difficult than any of the other non-P5s; BYU simply isn't "protected" for the four New Year's Day bowl games.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU is listed as a contender? Where?"

    two words: reading comprehension

    Gandalph clearly cited the source, ESPN, which just published an article entitled:

    "Five potential playoff spoilers"

    First on the list:

    BYU Cougars (Independent)

    The article shouldn't be too difficult to find; it was published August 15, 2014.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    Uteology

    Seriously, you're trying to argue which team with 17 AP Top 25 finishes should be ranked above the others based on "average ranking"?

    LOL!

    Talk about desperate.

    The site from where the data was pulled clearly lists all five teams as tied for 33rd at 17 appearances (that's what that little #33 preceding the name of each team represents).

    Which, regardless of how you spin it, is light years ahead being tied for 73rd at 5 appearances, bottom of the barrel in the PAC 12, and nearly bottom of the barrel versus all P5 teams and below almost a dozen non-P5s.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    @talkinsports

    btw, it laughable that someone like Uteology pretends that BYU isn't a high caliber opponent when the PAC 12's own commissioner said otherwise.

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    Someone like me? You mean someone like the SEC?

    "The ACC and SEC also didn't include BYU as a potential "power" conference opponent for their member schools, which is going to make it difficult for the Cougars to put together a schedule that is demanding enough in the eyes of the selection committee." -- ESPN

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Gandalph
    Sandy, UT

    Uteology

    Despite all of your blather, ESPN just published an article entitled:

    "Five potential playoff spoilers"

    First on the list:

    BYU Cougars (Independent)

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    First on the list?

    Yes, because it's in alphabetical order.

    If you spent the time to read it, it clearly says BYU will be the last team looking in from that list of mid-majors.

    Also, it's not a list of playoff contenders it's "a look at five teams from the non-Power Five conferences that might be spoilers in 2014".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    @Gandalph

    The Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national media.

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    BYU is listed as a contender? Where?

    Nice try but that article you quoted has nothing to do with P5 teams. It was about mid-majors, and it listed BYU as one of those mid-majors. Congrats!

    BTW you for got to quote the rest of the article, which says BYU is even in WORSE position than MWC (Utah State).

    The ugly: BYU, perhaps more than any other program, seems to be on the outside looking in when it comes to the new postseason. The sport's power brokers only protected the highest-rated champion of the non-Power Five conferences (AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt) and Notre Dame (which has a partial tie-in with the Orange Bowl) when it wrote the selection rules for the playoffs and the other four New Year's Day bowl games. BYU, which became an independent in 2010, obviously doesn't belong to a conference.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Utah fans' desperate hope of the P5s going to a complete P5 vs P5 schedule is nothing but a pipe dream.

    It'll never happen.

    Too many of the big boys like playing a 7-game home schedule, which would be impossible if they weren't allowed to schedule FCS and non-P5 teams.

    For Utah playing a 12-game P5 schedule would be a disaster. The Utes would never finish above .500 again.

    btw, it laughable that someone like Uteology pretends that BYU isn't a high caliber opponent when the PAC 12's own commissioner said otherwise:

    Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said it "makes a lot of sense" for teams in his conference to schedule football games against independent BYU.

    "They’re a school that's got a great reputation, a great history of success," Scott said during media days at the Paramount Studios. "I’d consider it a high-quality matchup when our teams play against them."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    Bottom line:

    BYU has out shown Utah on a national scale for decades; it's not even close.

    The only thing Utah has proven is that they don't deserve to be in a P5 conference.

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    Prove it. Post BYU's BCS Resume.

    Utah was ranked #10 by CBS Sports the last decade, BYU was #27.
    FACT: BYU hasn't done anything on the national scale since 1996.

    By all means keep sticking your head in the sand. Thankfully for Cougar Nation, Bronco is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    @DeepBlue
    Anaheim, CA

    Uteology

    "Average" Top 25 ranking? Seriously?

    Regardless of whether you're ranked #1 or #25, simply being ranked is a mark of excellence.

    According to your desperate and convoluted argument, being ranked ONCE at #15, is superior to being ranked TEN times with an average ranking of #16.

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    No! That is clearly not what I said. Please go re-read what I said.

    I clearly compared BYU to other teams with 17 AP rankings.

    It's clear that the average ranking for those programs puts BYU at the bottom in that set. The site from were the data was pulled clearly did the same when ranking tied teams.

    For example:

    33. Stanford 17 11.92
    33. TCU 17 12.47
    33. Duke 17 13.47
    33. Purdue 17 14.47
    33. BYU 17 15.53

    ...

    66. Kansas 7 12.29
    66. Penn 7 12.43
    66. Tulane (LA) 7 14.43
    66. Arizona 7 15.00

    Source: College Poll Archive

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    Despite all of your blather, ESPN just published an article entitled:

    "Five potential playoff spoilers"

    First on the list:

    BYU Cougars (Independent)

    "The good: The Cougars have been one of the country's most consistent programs, playing in nine consecutive bowl games and winning at least seven games in the past eight seasons."

    Yes, there are some negatives associated with schedule and not being in a P5 conference, but just to be included in the first list of potential playoff spoilers shows the respect that BYU still gets from the national media.

    The Utes, despite their P5 status, aren't even mentioned as a potential playoff contender by any national media.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Uteology

    A program that's played in 9 straight bowl games and had three 11+ win Top 15 teams, won two conference championships, and had four 10+ win AP ranked teams during that period,

    is certainly a lot more relevant than

    a program that's been bowl less the last two years, only had one 11+ win Top 15 team, only won one conference championships, and two 10+ win AP ranked teams.

    Bottom line:

    BYU has out shown Utah on a national scale for decades; it's not even close.

    The only thing Utah has proven is that they don't deserve to be in a P5 conference.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    Bottom-line: This isn't 1994, BYU is irrelevant today!

    Playoff is a problem for the little guys
    Andrea Adelson (ESPN) (8/15/2014)

    Utah (2004) and TCU (2009), playing outside the [P5] in that era, also made BCS games and won. But those programs never got the same vitriol of Boise State. In fact, those programs cashed in on their Mountain West and BCS success, earning safe harbor into the Power Five....Boise did not. So where does that leave the Broncos and all their small conference brethren now that the College Football Playoff era begins?

    Almost assuredly, out of the mix...

    Is it any coincidence the College Football Playoff selection committee will put a premium on [SOS]? All those knocks against Boise State in the BCS era will be magnified and scrutinized in a much bigger way now.

    That criterion makes it feel as though half the programs in college football are completely disqualified from playoff contention before the season even begins. There are only 64 tickets into Power Five conferences at this time. Add into the mix the recent autonomy ruling, another striking blow to the Group of Five (American, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt), and a clear message has been sent.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @Uteology

    "That's what happens when you beat up cupcakes and then get exposed in your bowl game, year-after-year-after-year."

    Seriously?

    We are 6-3 in bowl games under Bronco Mendenhall. Even though we lost last year, we were just coming off of a 4 game winning streak in bowl games.

    I know where you're going to go with this: you're going to say that BYU didn't play anybody good in our bowl games. Let's throw out 2010-2012 where BYU played mid-majors and just look at the years where we played P5 teams, which all happen to be the Pac-12.

    2005- Lost to Cal by 7
    2006- Beat Oregon by 30
    2007- Beat UCLA by 1
    2008- Lost to Arizona by 10
    2009- Beat Oregon State by 24
    2013- Lost to Washington by 15

    So we have a 3-3 record against Pac 10/12 teams in bowl games. Our 3 wins were by an average of 18 points, and our 3 losses were an average of 11 points.

    So we have proven to be slightly better than the 4th/5th best Pac 12 team.

    I don't think we get exposed in bowl games. It looks more like we expose the Pac 12.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    ekute,
    it is u fans like yourself making statements such as " i would sooner have 2 bcs bowl game appearances than a college national championship" that make all college football fans laugh out loud ! get a grip and just admit that you really do love following such a storied football program such as the Y that has had a National Championship,Heisman Trophy winner , Davey obrien winner , Maxwell award winner , Outland Trophy winner , college coach of the year winner , national player of the year winner etc....., and there will be more to come in the near future . Mark it down !

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    uu,
    ok, if we actually wanted to use your "3 yr. time frame for the U, Whitt. would no longer be the coach at the u . All i can tell you is that Y football is definitely trending upward . At the u , not so much.....

  • 71-39 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    @ Uteology:

    Nothing personal... but after reading the last 2 pages of comments and the hardcore overall program stats brought out on each program, your rebuttal sounded pretty desperate and weak. It certainly wouldn't carry much weight in any kind of official debate.

    When sports programs have over a century of competition in their histories, trying to emphasize just a few recent years, or even worse, simply falling back to just an affiliation to other programs in one's conference makes for an extremely weak argument for one's team.

    When looking at the big picture, BYU's stat's are undoubtedly the best in the entire intermountain region. Utah's overall stats aren't even close. At this point, it's very understandable that most hardcore Ute fans would very much like to just drop this subject and move on to the next unrelated sports article.

    BTW: 71-39 is the score of the most recently played official basketball game Utah played and against a WCC team no-less. Looking at their football schedule, it's possible they may end up with a similar score and result in one of those football games this season too.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    tinplater

    Their are two major college football polls, the Coaches Poll (which used to be sponsored by UPI), and the AP Poll (which was established by the Associated Press in 1936).

    The AP Poll currently includes the Top 25 teams, but used to only include the Top 20, and for a while, only included the Top 10.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Thanks...I guess I don't understand "AP top 25"...I read that as Associated Press!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    Total Appearances in the AP Poll

    36. BYU 236 total, *22.0%, 15.3 average, highest rank #1
    68. Utah 77 total, *7.2%, 14.9 average, highest rank #2

    * Out of 1071 total polls since 1936

    It's pretty pathetic that a program that thinks it's one of the "big boys", has only been ranked in the AP poll 7.2% of the time.

    BYU has more than 3 times as many appearances, with nearly the same average ranking.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    tinplater

    "Just a question, in the top 25 list, how come no Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Florida State..etc etc? Am I missing something here?"

    You'll have to ask Uteology about his list; Truth Machine's list is obviously just a comparison of how BYU and Utah stack up against the PAC 12 and versus P5s overall.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Just a question, in the top 25 list, how come no Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Florida State..etc etc? Am I missing something here? Duke? the perennial football power house?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Uteology

    Despite your desperate attempt at minimization, 17 AP Top 25 finishes is 17 AP Top 25 finishes; there is no "tie-breaker" for number of finishes.

    It's no surprise that BYU is the best non-P5 in the country and better than almost half of the P5s when it comes to total number of AP Top 25 rankings - BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977.

    It's also no surprise that Utah is the worst team in the PAC 12 and one of the worst P5s in the country when it comes to AP Top 25 finishes - Utah didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Average" Top 25 ranking? Seriously?

    Regardless of whether you're ranked #1 or #25, simply being ranked is a mark of excellence.

    According to your desperate and convoluted argument, being ranked ONCE at #15, is superior to being ranked TEN times with an average ranking of #16.

    Bottom line:

    BYU has the 33rd most AP Top 25 rankings, which is better than half the teams in the PAC 12.
    Utah has the 73rd most AP Top 25 rankings, which is worse than any other team in the PAC 12.

    Bronco(4) has TWICE as many AP Top 25 finishes as Kyle(2).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 5:54 a.m.

    Truth Machine
    Salt Lake City, UT

    MUSSing with U

    AP Top 25 Finishes

    BYU 17 (tied with Duke, Purdue, Stanford and TCU for 33rd all time)

    Utah 5 (tied with Cornell, Dartmouth, Holy Cross and Indiana for 73rd all time)

    It's easy to see which is truly a P5-level program and which is only a pretender.

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    Yes it is easy to see which program is the pretender, it's the one that is in 40+ years of discussions still begging for a P5 invite.

    Again, YOU in paritcluar need to worry less about BYU being a P5 team and start worrying more about beating Utah again. Good luck!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Truth Machine
    Salt Lake City, UT

    MUSSing with U

    AP Top 25 Finishes

    USC 46
    UCLA 31
    Wash 22
    Colo 18
    BYU 17 (tied with Duke, Purdue, Stanford and TCU for 33rd all time)

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    Your not tied with anyone, your average ranking clearly puts you behind those programs.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    @MUSSing with U
    Baltimore, MD

    I really don't expect an answer from the kids on the hill, but I wonder how many P5 members have only had five AP Top 25 finishes, EVER?

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    There are about FIVE P5 teams, but only one with 4 years of P5 recruiting.

    FACT: BYU has the WORST average ranking compared to other schools with 17 or more AP appearances. That's what happens when you beat up cupcakes and then get exposed in your bowl game, year-after-year-after-year.

    Utah was horrible throughout most of your history. That changed with McBride. It was mostly a basketball school until then. What's your point?

    Pitt has 19, Colorado 18, BYU 17, Duke 17, South Carolina 9 and Arizona 7. I know BYU is but you also think Colorado and Duke are better than South Carolina today?

    Final AP Appearances:

    Iowa State 2
    Indiana 5
    Wake Forest 4
    Vanderbilt 3
    Rutgers 4

    Arizona 7
    South Carolina 9

    North Carolina 15
    Army 14
    Oregon 14
    Minnesota 13
    Houston 13

    Duke 17
    Purdue 17
    BYU 17

    Colorado 18
    Pitt 19
    Georgia Tech 24

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    Shouldn't a P5 at least be in the top 65 of AP Top 25 finishes?

    BYU has more AP Top 25 finishes than any other non-P5

    Utah has fewer AP Top 25 finishes than 11 non-P5s and is tied with three others

    The only P5s with fewer AP Top 25 finishes than Utah are Cincinnati(4), Rutgers(4), Wake Forest(4), Vanderbilt(3) and Iowa St(2)

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph
    American Fork, UT
    @UU - "So what if Kyle has dominated Bronco? Overall schedule is more than just one game a season, and if Kyle can get the Utes up for just one game a year I guess it's good for Ute fans that that game is vs BYU."

    That's a byu fan's myth, a coping-mechanism they employ. Even in defeat, there's no question we got up for all of our games last year, particularly against Osu, Ucla and Asu, then our W against Stanford. No, byu game is nothing more than a guaranteed W for us. However, The U means everything to byu:

    "It is huge. This is like the Super Bowl...Coach Mendenhall will have us prepared to play Utah." -- LB Kyle Van Noy

    "In previous years, I think it's been the biggest motivation we've had, playing Utah and trying to beat our in-state rival." -- OL Ryker Mathews

    "We grew up watching the rivalry and that's why a lot of us came to BYU...Honestly, that's lot of the motivation we had...every day we remind ourselves, 'Hey, we've got to beat Utah'." -- DB Drew Reilly

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:54 p.m.

    MUSSing with U

    AP Top 25 Finishes

    USC 46
    UCLA 31
    Wash 22
    Colo 18
    BYU 17 (tied with Duke, Purdue, Stanford and TCU for 33rd all time)
    Stan 17
    ASU 16
    Cal 14
    Ore 14
    WSU 11
    OSU 10
    Ariz 7
    Utah 5 (tied with Cornell, Dartmouth, Holy Cross and Indiana for 73rd all time)

    It's easy to see which is truly a P5-level program and which is only a pretender.

  • itsajelly Walla Walla, WA
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    Sounds like it's time to suit up that SOS I keep hearing is so good. He can do it!

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    I really don't expect an answer from the kids on the hill, but I wonder how many P5 members have only had five AP Top 25 finishes, EVER?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 6:27 p.m.

    ekute

    Let's try Defcon 3 and yes, your Ute fanbase is concerned. Only a delusional head in the sand type would argue differently.

    And this year's train wreck will be quite entertaining to watch.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 14, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    ekute

    Remind us how Utah's two "current" undefeated seasons helped Utah qualify for a bowl in 2012 and 2013.

    The fact is, the Utes had a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons, then disappeared from the national radar almost as quickly as they appeared, with practically no accomplishments on a national scale before or since.

    No National Championships, no Heisman Trophies, no national individual award winners, no national Hall of Fame players, and back to being unranked, just as they've been for 115 of their 120 seasons.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 5:08 p.m.

    @Objectified
    Very sad. Even more-so when one realizes the recent games when Utah beat BYU were not won very impressively. Most of the 4 were very close, single-digit single-score difference in the games. BYU even had better overall stats in the last 2 games. That doesn't leave much to brag about when taken in full context.

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    Typical ute hypocrisy. When BYU had put together a run of games under Beck and Hall that finished very close in score ute fans attempted to dismiss the streak due to that fact and commented on that numerous times in message boards.

    It just goes to show, you can take the utes out of the MWC but you can't take the MWC out of the utes.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    @71-39

    "If you really do remember things from over a decade ago "like it was yesterday", and apparently completely forgotten about the recent past few years post-season results, you may want to get medically checked for an Alzheimer disease. A typical symptom is when long-term memory becomes better than short-term memory."

    I never said anything about the past few years, but I do remember them clearly, including Utah perennially owning BYU on the field.

    The only thing I said I remember "like it was yesterday" was attending the big games Utah played in 2008. This was a response to one of your fellow "fans" characterizing 2008 as ancient history while simultaneously bragging about 1984. While I enjoy the desperate attempts to make Utah's BCS Bowl victories seem as old as possible, I'm sorry to inform you that 2008 was much less than a decade ago.

    Maybe you're the one who needs to get "checked"?

    LOL

  • 71-39 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    @ ekute:

    Before talking too much, you should realize that the dust on those aging BCS trophies is starting to get quite thick. And before getting into any discussion with anyone about bowl game accomplishments, please keep in mind that Utah hasn't even played in any whatsoever over the past few years. That would put you in a hole before the conversation even gets started... especially (in comparison) if you consider that BYU has now played in 9 straight and counting.

    @ truthsandwich:

    If you really do remember things from over a decade ago "like it was yesterday", and apparently completely forgotten about the recent past few years post-season results, you may want to get medically checked for an Alzheimer disease. A typical symptom is when long-term memory becomes better than short-term memory.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    What's quite funny is a few paranoid ultra-Ute fans who automatically assume any negative (even though factually based) comment about any facet of how the football team is doing, must certainly be coming from BYU fans. Apparently those particular Ute fans can't stand other Ute fans who aren't afraid to tell it like it is.

    The other funny thing is how they would rather fall back to the old "yes, we stink, but we're still better than you" excuse. Sad. Very sad. Even more-so when one realizes the recent games when Utah beat BYU were not won very impressively. Most of the 4 were very close, single-digit single-score difference in the games. BYU even had better overall stats in the last 2 games. That doesn't leave much to brag about when taken in full context.

    Come on, Ute fans. Take a bit of bad news like men and not like crybabies. Simply admit there is still room for improvement in some areas and maintain your faith that things will get better before the season starts. Enough of the excuses and silly comparisons to past season games against others.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    mistruthsandwich

    "Utah has just had the superior football team for the past 20 years."

    If so, then please explain:

    - how Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006, than Utah has in its entire history.
    - how Bronco has twice as many AP Top Finishes as Kyle
    - how Bronco has twice as many conference championships as Kyle

    Aren't "superior" football programs supposed to have more than two accomplishments in their entire football history?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    ekute

    Only a jealous Utah fan would be so desperate as to claim that a bowl trophy is more impressive than a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy.

    Even during the BCS era, the only trophy ever displayed during ESPN Gameday was the Crystal Football trophy.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Old But Not Stupid
    Moorpark, CA
    "Final statistics, which included only Wilson, Thompson, Manning and Cox, had the quarterbacks teaming to complete 15-of-44 passes for 228 yards."

    That is a 34% completion rate; I think Taysom Hill last year was around 54%, and the crimson crew (aka Chris' cohorts) crucified him.

    ----------------

    And that's with the QB's not even facing live pressure or getting hit. It would've been worse if it was fully live and the QB's were getting hit and knocked around. Wow...that's pretty depressing to have your season basically over and you're not even finished with Fall Camp yet.

    2-10 here we come! I wonder who the new Head Coach will be? Who will be the interim Head Coach that finishes out the season? Lots of questions to be answered.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    a couple of other ways to spell it are:

    D-O-O-M

    or

    T-R-O-U-B-L-E

    or

    Nothing new under the sun

    or

    Same ol' same ol'

    or

    The more things change the more they stay the same

    or

    The Speed of the Leader Determines the Rate of the Pack

    or

    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

    or....

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    Soup Sandwich, You remember '08 like it was yesterday. Good for you. Based on the u's performance thus far in 3 years of PAC-12 football you'll likely need to rely on those memories for many years to come.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    "and if Kyle can get the Utes up for just one game a year I guess it's good for Ute fans that that game is vs BYU"

    BYU gets up for their Superbowl every year too. At least that's what their players have told us.

    Utah has just had the superior football team for the past 20 years.

    It's why BYU "fans" resort to whiney excuses about "Utah just getting up for that one game".

    Always entertaining!

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    @Christine:

    "The 1st BCS trophy is now 10+ years old and the 2nd is nearly 6 years old"

    LOL in the sentence before this you were indirectly bragging about a 30 year old trophy*

    I can remember going to and experiencing all the big games in 2008 like it was yesterday.

    None of your players were even alive in 1984. And it doesn't matter how old you are, you don't remember big BYU games from 1984 because they didn't play in any.

    Entertaining example of coug "fan" hypocrisy though!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    @tinplate

    We had Tyson Hill like numbers in our first scrimmage. Yes if we play like that during the season then we will be lucky to win 2 games. Wilson has shown he can play, he was just too TO prone last year. Scrimmages won't show if he's improved, that will be over the first 3 games. If the passing game is like this against ISU then yes Utah dies have some major problems.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    UU

    "I prefer 57 - 34. Hopefully that's wide enough"

    I prefer ASU undefeated against Utah since 1977 myself. And if the Quarterback play at the U is 'as advertised' we're going to put up another 50 burger like in 2012. Utah melts in the desert!

  • UU Provo, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Johnny,

    Read the posts again my friend is was your very own BYU comrade who wanted to look at only the Kyle / Bronco era.... so I just played along and then demonstrated dominance and ownership by the Utes. I prefer a wider scope that just the Bronco / Kyle era.... I prefer 57 - 34. Hopefully that's wide enough

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    @tinplater - well said. No one listens, however, and unless it involves beating the other school there is no rational discussion on any in state football topics.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    @UU - So what if Kyle has dominated Bronco? Overall schedule is more than just one game a season, and if Kyle can get the Utes up for just one game a year I guess it's good for Ute fans that that game is vs BYU.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    EK - be careful when bragging on our 2 BCS trophies (both of which are well below any NC trophy - from any era - in prestige, not to mention significantly smaller). The 1st of our beloved trophies is now 10+ years old and the 2nd is nearly 6 years old. What has the little red engine that could done since 2008 (besides beat the insignificant mid-major team from Provo)?

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    You guys are really amusing..this stat debate goes on and on and all I can conclude is:
    1. Both BYU and Utah are not very good. One justifies it's poor record by invoking SOS then claims to be good because it has beaten the other weak team 4 times,
    The other justifies its superiority by living in the past and cherry picking through the media guide.

    2. It is impossible to get a rationale discussion about the headline topic for discussion...ie quarterbacks at the U this camp. The QB's appear to be less than stellar, I would think there would be some concern voiced by the Ute fans, but I guess boredom drifts in and they revert to bashing the Y rather than the topic at hand.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    Uteanymous,

    Pertaining to the current position and future outlook for each of our teams, 2 current undefeated seasons resulting in 2 BCS Trophies far outshines a 30 year old *trophy.

    Not to mention a 20 year head to head dominance over the team in happy valley.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 8:53 a.m.

    sammyg,

    There's not an iota of panic, spin or DEFCON 4 up on The Hill. In fact, excitement and optimism would better describe the mood of the Ute program and it's fans.

    What's to get excited about in happy valley? Do you realize that at most, byu has 6 games on it's schedule with any semblance of relevance? They could win all 6 or lose them all, either way it's the beach bowl...so those games aren't relevant after all. lol.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    UU

    "Sportsfan, I guess two flash in the pan seasons are better than one."

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but NOTHING beats a National Championship.

    When was the last time Utah had back-to-back Top 7 finishes?

    When was the last time Utah finished in the Top 12 five out of six seasons?

    When was the last time Utah was a perennial Top 25 team for four decades (19 of 38 seasons since 1977)?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Shear panic and spin. It's going to be another lovely Ute season.

    Does anyone have a short list for a new OC?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 6:40 a.m.

    If this had been about byu the headline would have read "The Defense Shines!".

    We're all familiar with the DN spin on all things Utah and byu.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 12:04 a.m.

    @UU

    "We don't think Utah is better than BYU, we have verifiable on-the-field proof (see 9 of 12)."

    You're using the time span of 2002-2013. In what way does utah's winning streak from 2002-2005 mean that they are better than BYU now? In what way does their win in 2008 or the last few mean? The only game that might give you an argument for who is better right now is maybe 2013. And that's still a shaky argument, because this is not 2013, my friend.

    The fact is, you could spin the head-to-head records in favor of either BYU or utah depending on the time period.

    If you go with all-time, utah wins, but BYU was just starting their program while utah already had it up and running.

    If you go since Lavell Edwards, BYU wins, because BYU mastered the passing game before anyone else and dominated utah.

    So the point is, using a certain time span of head-to-head games does nothing to prove who is better right now. What happens in 2014 proves who is better right now.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    How can a team have a quarterback named "Manning" and not start him?

  • UU Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    Uteanymous, Talk about slicing and dicing your way through history; why are you slicing only the Bronco/Kyle era? Despite the fact that Kyle owns Bronco head-to-head, it's very funny that you want to call me out in the same post that you limit your vision to only the Bronco era.

    Lonestar, the definition of Utah domination over BYU is 4-0, 9-3, 57-34. It is basically impossible for BYU to pull even with Utah in our lifetimes.

    Sportsfan, I guess two flash in the pan seasons are better than one. Remember BYU's only undefeated season came against the #103 schedule and is easily the most disputed in college football history. So when we talk flash in the pan, BYU is the poster child.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 13, 2014 9:43 p.m.

    Pebbles huh, where and when did you serve LonestarRunner? Leave to a BYU fan to have to mock someones handle which by the way is "A way you'll never be." Do you have two teams too like most of your compadres? One that can actually beat Utah? Way to cherry pick stats as only a Y fan can. Also, what's the use of all those bowl games BYU has been to when their winning percentage is oh so bad (Utah has won as many bowl games as BYU), is tied for the second most consecutive bowl wins. And at least Utah has been to and won big boy bowls (AKA BCS) unlike your team. How many times has your team gone undefeated? I can cherry pick stats too, that make Utah like better, not that hard. Face it LonesstarRunner, if you cherry pick stat you can try to make any point. The overall picture is the only true picture which is not so good for BYU going up against Utah. BTW, contrary to some of your postulations, Utah cracked the AP long before BYU did (1964) and went to bowl games way before them too (1939) vice (1980ish).

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 9:04 p.m.

    LonestarRunner

    Here comes the two-hit wonder recitation, as if their two recent flash-in-the-pan seasons are representative of Utah's 100+ seasons of mediocrity.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    pebbles

    Utah fan definition of "domination":

    1/2 as many bowls
    BYU 32
    Utah 17

    1/3rd as many AP Top 25 finishes (BYU had 11 before Utah cracked the AP for the first time)
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    1/4th as many WAC/MWC Championships (including 10 BYU championships in a row)
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    1/5th as many 11+ win seasons (BYU has more during the Bronco/Kyle era than Utah has in their entire history)
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    And, since BYU and Utah joined a conference that someone besides your great-grandfather actually remembers:

    BYU has owned the head-to-head
    BYU 29
    Utah 23

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    UU

    Gotta luv how Utah fans like to slice and dice stats just to help them sleep at night.

    Overall versus PAC 12 teams during the Bronco/Kyle era:

    Bronco 9-9(50%), with wins over Washington and Oregon
    Kyle 13-21(38%), winless versus Washington and Oregon

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 13, 2014 7:33 p.m.

    footballfrenzy, your Bruins haven't smacked the Utes around since they've been in the PAC 12. I'm pretty sure I saw Utah beat down the Bruins 31-6 in their first year in the PAC 12. Yes, UCLA has managed to escape with wins the last 2 years by a combined total of 14 point, smack down, that's funny. BTW, what is if with all these my PAC 12 team AKA BYU fans. It's sad really that your primary team, BYU, isn't enough, so you and many other Y fans, have to glom on to other teams, and said teams are always better than BYU (that part I find hilarious). I don't need to glom on to ASU, Utah is more than enough; certainly enough to handle your primary team, BYU, who Utah has dominated recently and historically. Go Utes.

  • footballfrenzy Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 13, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    Unfortunately, the Utes will again be the bottom feeder of the PAC-10 plus 2. From the looks of their schedule, they'll be lucky to win three games this year. Can't wait for my Bruins to smack them around this year on Oct 4. Sad thing for Kyle though, is he may not last the entire season, if the wins don't start to happen. PAC12 radio here in Southern Cal, have said that he's been on the hot seat for the past two season's, and I like Whit! To bad his team won't win this year as well. Idaho St is probably the only guaranteed win for the Utes, followed by toss-ups with Fresno St and Colorado. Michigan, Washington St, UCLA, Oregon St, USC, Arizona St, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona will all result in losses. It's really sad to read all of the comments on here by the BYU haters, when they've been more successful than the Utes. Yes, the Utes are in a 'Power Conference', but you're not winning any games, and you haven't been bowling for a few years. Nothing to brag about. Go UCLA!

  • jsanders Draper , UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 6:23 p.m.

    Oh my gosh! Look at all these comments from byu fans on a Utah article!!! You guys are obsessed with us!

    Your lack of self awareness is incredible.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    @Christine B. Hedgefog "So that's your consolation. We stink but at least (we think) BYU would be below us in the doormat position of the PAC. Good logic!"

    You missed the point Christine, which is; Why would a fan base rip on the Utes when they are owned by the Utes? Nice logic!

    We don't think Utah is better than BYU, we have verifiable on-the-field proof (see 9 of 12).

  • UU Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 5:59 p.m.

    taylormade1

    Let me help you with the time period... over the last 3 years... the same time period that BYU fans like to rip on Utah football because of their poor performance in the PAC12.

    During that span BYU has a 28% winning percentage against PAC12 teams while Utah has a 33% winning percentage. In addition BYU lost to Utah 3 years in a row. Hence the conclusion that BYU would probably finish around 10th or 11th in the P12.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    Aug. 13, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    First of all let's clear something up, this was a LIVE scrimmage for ALL EXCEPT Wilson. If you are still unsure of this fact, read the articles

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2014 5:23 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    @falsesandwich

    It isn't the so called "haters" saying much other than a bit of mocking of the utah "fans" trying to spin this. It is the utah "fans" with the ridiculous comments here.

    ------------

    Like blaming rain for a loss?

    FACT: The QB numbers in our first scrimmage were better than Tysom Hill's numbers in his first scrimmage (aka Virgina) last season.

    What was the SPIN from Cougar Nation? Because it rained on Hill and apparently it didn't rain on Virgina's QB:

    Watford 18-32 (56$) 114 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 90 RAT
    Hill 13-40 (33%) 175 YDS 1 TD 1 INT (Pick 6) 73 RAT

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Utah's 1st scrimmage 2014:

    * All QBs: 15/44 (34%) 228 YDS 2 TDS 2 INT
    * Wilson: 8/21 (38%) 101 YDS 2 TDS

    BYU's 1st scrimmage 2013 (aka Virginia):

    * 13/40 (33%) 175 YDS 1 TD 1 INT

    Why are BYU "fans" so giddy with Tysom Hill like numbers against a legit PAC-12 defense?

    If Utah plays like this against Idaho State, lets hope it doesn't rain because we might just lose.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    @falsesandwich

    It isn't the so called "haters" saying much other than a bit of mocking of the utah "fans" trying to spin this. It is the utah "fans" with the ridiculous comments here.

    The fact is this, utah's qb's, ALL of them, performed terribly in an internal scrimmage. That means they had no pressure from rushers, no chance of being sacked, no worries about anything other than sitting back and throwing the ball. Now that doesn't mean they'll all be terrible this year but the utah "fan" spin that it means utah's corners are obviously "lock down" or else that this atrocious showing was somehow better than the one Taysom Hill had against Virginia last year in an actual game played during a hurricane, is just asking to be mocked. There is no way to spin it out of the truth, it is bad, they were awful, and that is just the way it is.

    It isn't a definitive statement on how they'll perform this year, I'll give you that. But whittingham was less than thrilled about it and he certainly wasn't trying to spin it like you. lol

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 4:33 p.m.

    @Johnny

    "Too bad this article isn't about BYU, there would be more Ute fans commenting"

    Commenting on a Utah article to whine about Utah fans commenting on BYU articles..

    lol

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Aug. 13, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Utah haters? We're Ute fans who are passionate about our team, but hate the direction (or lack thereof) in the program.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    @VegasUte

    "This run is too funny! All this garbage talk from Utah haters over a single scrimmage!! LOL!"

    Please show me where to find the comment board that you are reading from. Because the one that I'm reading has about 5 comments making negative remarks about utah's QB's. And most of them aren't saying that Wilson will be horrible this year, they are just saying that he needs to bounce back from a rough day.

    I think you either misinterpreted those comments or you just get offended too easily.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    Lots of chatter from the haters about a Utah scrimmage!

    I'm sure they will all put just as much stock in the meaning of these practice games if the Ute QB's perform well in the next one..

    lol

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    New Year - New Offensive Coordinator - Same quality QB - Same Results
    New Year - New Offensive Coordinator - Same quality QB - Same Results
    New Year - New Offensive Coordinator - Same quality QB - Same Results
    New Year - New Offensive Coordinator - Same quality QB - Same Results

    Bill Murray can relate to the ute's predicament

    It's Punxsutawney football at it's finest in East Salt Lake

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    I love how the ute fans are jumping off the wilson band wagon so soon and the season has not even started yet. LOL

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    Well the D should look good against the u offense. Anyone's d would, even West High.
    I can;t wait until they have to play against a real defense and against a real offense. THAT will be fun.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 13, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    @JSwaggDaddy:

    Of course I was being sarcastic. ASU has a steller QB and a very strong team overall that should make the Nov 1 visit (homecoming too!) a miserable day for the Utes.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 13, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    @Vegas Ute, you may be right, it is just practice, but wouldn't you rather see stats like the Aggies put up yesterday: Keeton 16/22 180 yrds 2 tds, Garretson 14/25 1 td? Utah's QB performance by any measure was miserable.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    Too bad this article isn't about BYU, there would be more Ute fans commenting.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    So according to utah "fans" playing in a scrimmage where you can't even be touched is a tougher test than playing an actual game against a p5 opponent. lol

    And then of course the crowning peice of spin was this beauty

    "The real take away in this is it looks like the Utes have some real lockdown CB's this year."

    Delusion at it's highest degree. lol

    Not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

    Classic stuff here, just a 'win' of a thread. LOL!

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    UU "To all Utah haters (err BYU fans) keep in mind..."

    So that's your consolation. We stink but at least (we think) BYU would be below us in the doormat position of the PAC.

    Good logic!

    Also, good news for Travis. Getting demoted will free up more time for Tim McGraw music and long neck bottle sipping (once it's legal, of course)

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    UU,
    What pac12 games are you referring to that the Y has played in the last several years ? Let me help you a bit.The Y has beat the following pac12 teams over the last 7 years,Washington St.(twice), Oregon St.(twice), Washington , UCLA (TWICE , 1 WAS 52-0 ) and Arizona . If you would like to go back 1 more year , they also beat Oregon ( 38-8) . Looks like to me they would have plenty of success in the ole pac12 !

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    @VegasUte - Ute QB play is atrocious and has been for some time.

    Travis Wilson career - 23 TDs, 22 INTs

    QB TD/INT ratios
    2009: 19/9 (Caine/Wynn)
    2010: 24/12 (Wynn/Caine)
    2011: 19/10 (Hays/Wynn)
    2012: 16/9 (Wynn/Hays/Wilson)
    2013: 22/21 (Wilson/Schulz)

    The U has got to find QBs who can #1 throw TD passes (more are needed, especially if a strong running game should make it easier to throw) and #2 quit throwing so many INTs! The U hasn't had that since Wynn; there was a short stint of Hays where he was decent but Chow left and Hays dropped off. And Hays wasn't the caliber the U needed at backup, Wynn going down hurt a lot and the impact of a weak #2 is still being felt.

    Leave BYU out of this, the U needs better QB play. And if they're not performing against the U defense with only weeks left until the season starts they'll be in a deep mess in a hurry.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    Re: old not stupid : "That is a 34% completion rate; I think Taysom Hill last year was around 54%, and the crimson crew (aka Chris' cohorts) crucified him."

    So you're equating the first fall scrimmage performance with a QB whose stats were padded against laughable competition last year? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Utah QB situation will be just fine. No one, other than obviously BYU fans, expects them to be game-ready yet. Coach Whitt is just lighting a fire under them. The real take away in this is it looks like the Utes have some real lockdown CB's this year.

    Meanwhile the Ute's QB's will get ready for Oregon and USC at home and Taysom can prepare for the big Homecoming game against Savannah State. Those stats you quoted should get even better.

  • FuzzyLogic VACAVILLE, CA
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    It seems to me that Utah's current situation mirrors that of BYU's last year. Their starting quarterback is coming off a medical condition and probably didn't have as much time to prepare this year due to it. They have a new offensive coordinator with a high tempo cadence that they're trying to get used to and a tough schedule in which to acclimate to all of this.

    I had high hopes for the Cougs last year and they were okay. I'm thinking that the Utes will have a tough row to hoe this year especially with the quality of teams they're playing. Stay positive and good luck, we Cougs know what it feels like.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    To all Utah haters (err BYU fans) keep in mind your team has been owned by the Utes over the last dozen years. Utah is probably the #9 team in the league. BYU would probable place around 10 or 11 based on their performance against the Utes and the rest of the PAC12 over the past few years.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    Vegas Ute,
    My point exactly. so what makes you think that if the qb play is this bad in a hands off scrimmage its going to be any better when the qb's are playing against pac12 opponents and running for their lives !

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    This run is too funny! All this garbage talk from Utah haters over a single scrimmage!! LOL! It is obvious that none of you know anything about football, or the progression of a team through fall practice.

    I would much rather that my QB throw 33% in the first fall scrimmage than 32.5% against Virginia, 34.6% against Texas or 37.5% against Utah. Just sayin'

    Go Utes!!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    Yikes, looking like a tough year is ahead. No matter how good the D is if you can't score you won't win. Whitt better start stressing, he hasn't had decent QB play for the past 3 years.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    @tinplater
    Fortunately the Utes play in the Pac 12 where good quarterback play is not necessary. My ASU Sun Devils do have a bit of advantage at this position, however.

    ----------------

    Lol!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    Don't worry guys, Coach Whitt is probably just sore that he couldn't make his annual "the ute QB situation is in the upper echelon of Pac12 QBs" proclamation.

    Even though this was a no pressure scrimmage where QB's weren't getting touched and they still looked bad, I'm sure they'll be ready for Idaho St and maybe Fresno St (they're rebuilding this season).

    Also, Wilson probably has a good reason for stinking, he probably couldn't see with all that hair in his face. He looks like a taller version of Jordan Wynn. Maybe that's who he's trying to pattern his game after.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    @tinplater

    "Fortunately the Utes play in the Pac 12 where good quarterback play is not necessary. My ASU Sun Devils do have a bit of advantage at this position, however."

    Please tell me that was a joke. I think there is a reason that UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon are the top Pac-12 teams. Those 3 quarterbacks are (in my opinion) among the top 4 QB's in the conference. I would throw Sean Mannion in there with those 3.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    And just like that the door is wide open for Coach Whittingham to get his wish and start Kendal Thompson. Travis Wilson failed to slam the door and now Thompson will move to #1 quarterback. It is amazing that with the Utes new OC that they did not light up the defense. Maybe offense by committee does not work. Based on yesterdays performance it is going to be a long, long season in Uteville. 2-10, 3-9 is looking like a reality.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 13, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Fortunately the Utes play in the Pac 12 where good quarterback play is not necessary. My ASU Sun Devils do have a bit of advantage at this position, however.

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    You'd think that with as many QBs as Utah has that one with a highly competitive attitude would step up and take charge. Coach just gave Travis Wilson public notice that he is not necessarily the starting QB. Maybe that will wake him up.

    The QBs may not have played well yesterday, but all except the freshmen/redshirts have played well in past. Coach Whit is just getting them jacked a little with his finger pointing. He doesn't do that often, but high performance from the QB position is critical this year in order to a have a better than average season, and perhaps, as Rock like to point out, Whit's tenure as HC.

    His critique timing is right and by the time the Idaho St. game comes around, I am confident the right QB will be ready, or someone behind him will step in and do well.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    SoonerUte:
    "You're fixin to be right cranky when you is a have'n to pay them cows a stipend to live on your farm and not produce a lick of milk."

    Now that was funny! Well done. I hope the qwarterbacks are fixin to get better or it will be a long dadgum season like what we seen last year.

  • Slugmaster West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    Utah is settling in nicely as a perennial doormat.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Aug. 13, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    UU -- "Travis is more preoccupied with his locks than his pass completion percentage. Cut it."

    Yes, but have you seen his abs???

    Maybe Dave Christensen has "simplified" the offense TOO much -- the defense seemed to figure it out pretty easily. I agree with 79Ute, they'll be ready for Idaho State -- whatever consolation THAT gives you....

  • UU Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    Travis is more preoccupied with his locks than his pass completion percentage. Cut it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 13, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    I hope it's an isolated incident. It would be hard to watch the QB(s) fail again this year.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    It don't matter because we are still in a big boy conference and we are still power 5 and our pac brothers still like us and that means we are still prestegous even though none of our quaterbacks shined.

    Go Utes!

  • 7runner2117 CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 13, 2014 6:09 a.m.

    They'll get better as the season gets closer. Its better that they have a bad game here rather than in a actual game.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 12, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    "Final statistics, which included only Wilson, Thompson, Manning and Cox, had the quarterbacks teaming to complete 15-of-44 passes for 228 yards."

    That is a 34% completion rate; I think Taysom Hill last year was around 54%, and the crimson crew (aka Chris' cohorts) crucified him.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    D Sounds good. Hopefully the O catches up by the time the next scrimmage rolls around.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 9:41 p.m.

    Like I said, the best QB in the state is Chuckie Keeton
    2. Taysom Hill
    3. Whoever's playing QB at Timpview High
    4. SUU's QB
    5. Travis Wilson

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    Relax, It's just one bad day!

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 9:12 p.m.

    You can shoot 1000 free throws a day, and 500 3-pointers, but everything changes when defenders are in your face.

    The defense will soon look worse, but Sitake's been there, along with Rowe, and Orchard, and Blechen, et al.

    I love watching a football team be built.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    Homer from Hoytsville "you'd think with 5 qwarterbaks on the football team....one of them would be decent. I mean when I go to the cow auction and buy 5 cows...one of thems bound to give milk. So how come we have 5 guys who were recrooted as PAC-12 quarterbacks and they ain't no good."

    You're fixin to be right cranky when you is a have'n to pay them cows a stipend to live on your farm and not produce a lick of milk.

  • Homer from Hoytsville Hoytsville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 8:39 p.m.

    you'd think with 5 qwarterbaks on the football team....one of them would be decent. I mean when I go to the cow auction and buy 5 cows...one of thems bound to give milk. So how come we have 5 guys who were recrooted as PAC-12 quarterbacks and they ain't no good.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Aug. 12, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    They'll be ready for Idaho State - mark it down!