@Ken - What in my comment is spin? I was just responding to a post criticizing
Williams and accusing him of dishonesty. My response is not spin in any way. BYU
did more (a suspension) than most schools would feel is warranted (we can assume
only since none of us know what the suspension is all about)
Poyman and Ted H:Please refer to BlueNtheFace: "the incident
with Jamaal in early 2014 was taken care of internally. Done. However, Bronco
and staff put players with recent team infractions on behavior contracts (almost
like probation). If the player crosses the line again, like Jamaal did after
Spring ball, they get punished for both violations." Ergo, except for the
subsequent infraction, Jamaal would not have been suspended - and I have no
problem with that. If you do, that's on you.Jamaal's
earlier indiscretion was handled internally, the same as TW's.I
am not judging nor am I casting aspersions and neither should you. Move on!
Dead story.Good luck Jamaal. I hope you have a great season!
For the Ute fans and even some Cougar fans that don't seem to understand
Bronco's policies - the incident with Jamaal in early 2014 was taken care
of internally. Done. However, Bronco and staff put players with recent team
infractions on behavior contracts (almost like probation). If the player crosses
the line again, like Jamaal did after Spring ball, they get punished for both
violations.Thank you to some of the Utes on here for their
understanding comments. Other Ute and Aggie fans like to hold BYU to a double
standard to which they can never reach. It's either "mean BYU, all kids
do these kinds of things" or it's "holier-than-thou BYU".
@chrisbIt appears that your first comment got removed as I
didn't see it... I only saw all of the other readers who made comments
about its merit... But having read some of your other stuff it's easy to
imagine the quality of the content.It seems to me that you have been
around enough to understand that in a criminal proceeding maneuvering takes
place in negotiations... I don't see that it matters much with Jamaal as he
has been open about the whole thing with everybody that cares...When
you make judgmental comments about the honor code and who is and who is not
following it I just have to chuckle... It reminds me of an atheist talking about
religion and how one should worship... You've heard about it, you've
seen it a little but you have never lived it and are summarily unqualified to
evaluate its application...@vegasuteOn what piece of
evidence do you make the proclamation that Jamaal would not have suffered a game
suspension had he not been involved in a second incident? That's what I
VegasUte,You don't buy the Blackmon thing even though
that's what he said but you're convinced that Jamaal wouldn't
have been suspended without this other incident since he sort of alluded to
that? No flip flopping in your reasoning there is there? And FYI -
I don't buy the Blackmon earring thing either, but I'm not flip
flopping when to use a single sentence from a student to decide whether what
they've said is 100% true or not. Try talking out of one side of your
mouth, at least within any given article. I think football will be another
loud dud across the board in Utah, but here's to being wrong..
Taysom4Heisman:Do you really believe that Blackmon was suspended for
wearing an earring? I don't buy it. If that is truly the reason, then
your frustrations should be directed to the school and the football department.
And - as was clearly stated in my previous post - Jamaal would have also have
barely got "a slap on the wrist" if not for an event subsequent to his
drinking arrest.Criticizing Whitt and the U about how Wilson was
handled is just unwarranted, especially when compared to a somewhat similar case
in Jamaal Williams and how that was handled by BYU. What would concern me is
the perceived disparity in discipline between Hadley and Williams. And since
you brought up Hadley - "If utah suspended all of their players that had
been drinking over the offseason, they could barely even put a team on the
field." You're fooling yourself if you think that BYU's team would
not be depleted also. Williams only got caught because his friend got pulled
over.The one truth that is clear and undeniable - WE NEED
FOOTBALL!Good luck to Jamaal! He seems like a great kid and I wish
the best for him.Go Utes!!
Vegas - I think its a stretch on your part to say Williams wouldn't have
been suspended if not for this "other" incident. Yes, Williams
mentioned that there was another incident and he even mentions the suspension
was part of the reason(Bronco didn't say this) but from what I've
seen(as a Ute fan) I just don't believe that Bronco wouldn't have
suspended him for underage drinking, which is not only against the honor code
but illegal(for byu kids and Utah kids and aggies and everyone else that is
underage). If you really think Bronco wouldn't have suspended
someone for underage drinking, OK, we can certainly disagree and that's
fine. But I've seen Bronco handle things differently than your
Stringer,Just as you want to tell others not to equate what happens
at byu to other places, I'll also add you and others shouldn't use the
lack of an honor code as an excuse to not have a program that demands
accountability. I'm a Ute fan but one who wishes more programs enforced
rules like BYU does. Bronco is one of very few coaches in the nation who truly
back up what they talk about.If you were to ask college coaches if
they thought underage drinking was a big deal - its safe to bet they would
answer in the affirmative. Underage drinking is just as illegal for a Ute as it
is for a cougar. We could argue whether a 19 year old SHOULD be able to drink -
but that's a different argument and puts you down a slippery slope as soon
as we start saying people can decide for themselves which laws are worth
following.Lets not use not having an honor code as an excuse for not
doing what we should. I'm proud of Bronco for backing up what he says.
From a Ute fan.
taysom4heisman,That's a whole lot of rationalization there.
Its ok to lie if his lawyer told him to? Is that what you are saying? Its ok
to lie if there isn't much evidence to prove otherwise? Is that what you
are saying?Wow. That doesn't seem to jive either with the be
honest part of the honor codeAs for Travis Wilson - I wasn't
aware he had ever lied in regards to this issue has he?
@Stringer Bell and Naval VetThose are both very well reasoned
points. I also have a lot of respect for Travis Wilson, but sometimes it's
frustrating to see Devon Blackmon missing a game over wearing an earring, and
then Travis Wilson violates state and federal law and barely even gets a slap on
the wrist.It is something that comes with BYU. I understand that and
I fully embrace it as well. I don't expect other schools to punish their
players as much as BYU does, because the standard is higher at BYU.But there is no denying that BYU often leaves themselves at a competitive
disadvantage over violations that take place on a regular basis at other
schools, which is frustrating. Take Spencer Hadley last year. If utah suspended
all of their players that had been drinking over the offseason, they could
barely even put a team on the field.I feel bad for the
players/coaches/fans who did nothing wrong but have to make up for the loss of
some players. Taysom hasn't done anything wrong, but his job for the UConn
game has gotten a lot harder.
Taysom4Heisman:"However, Jamaal has to sit out 1 game while
Whittingham let Wilson's thing slide."Here's a quote
from an earlier DN article on Jamaal: "Williams said this suspension was a
combination of what happened then, and another incident — he didn't
say if it was alcohol-related — that occurred more recently." It is
clear that the suspension was not just for the drinking incident earlier in the
year, but a combination of that and "another incident" that happened
later. With that in mind, it appears that Jamaal would not have been suspended
accept for the additional incident. I think your comparison between the two
situations is way off base because Bronco would have let Jamaal's
"thing slide" too if not for the subsequent incident.I do
not and will not judge Jamaal for what he did, nor will I do the same for TW.
Both are kids and are learning. I hope that Jamaal can learn from the multiple
incidents he is being suspended for, as well as TW for his scrape with the law.
Both are leaders and role models and both will come out just fine.
Stringer BellHenderson, NV"There is nothing with that but
don't complain about how other coaches handle a similar incident."Yeah, but I think cougar fans seem to have developed a right to expect
stronger morality out of Whitt than the general population of Div I coaches.
After all, didn't he play for BYU?
Re: TaysomforHeisman "However, Jamaal has to sit out 1 game while
Whittingham let Wilson's thing slide."If every college
football player that drank a beer had to sit out a game there wouldn't be
enough players to field a team. Don't equate the way things are thought of
and handled at BYU with the way they are viewed and dealt with in the real
world. Players who attend BYU know very well what type of behavior is expected
of them. There is nothing with that but don't complain about how other
coaches handle a similar incident.
@ water rocketTexas will have more than enough film on Wiliams. He
is a two year starter, and they've played against him. It won't
change the game either way, but I don't think having Williams sit out is an
I love where Bronco has taken the program at BYU...but sincerely, the
suspensions for relatively minor infractions n0t only may punish those
suspended, but if things go wrong they may end up hurting the team absorbing an
embarrassing loss at Uconn, and the fans looking forward to a good season and a
big bowl. These men deserve a punishment, but one that impacts only them... like
running a lot of extra stairs every day, or doing many up-downs. BYU is
depending on these gentlemen to do great things, and for this they need game
experience in order to shine against Texas.
Chris, isn't there a Colorado Buff player or other power 5 player that you
could spend time putting under the crimson microscope? My guess is that you
agree with the Arizona Athletic Director that BYU is indeed power 5 worthy.
@Kaladin - Spin as you can, but Chris does bring up an interesting point.
Chris, don't stop my man!
@Chris BI'm not trying to get into too much legal talk here,
but there are many details involved in pleading guilty or not guilty. It is not
as cut and dry as it sounds. The lawyer looks at the information presented and
decides which way they should go. Pleading guilty or not guilty has more to do
with the evidence/consequences of the case, not the guilt of the person.I'm sure Jamaal's lawyer advised him to plead not guilty.
Jamaal, being young and likely inexperienced with legal matters, probably simply
took the advice of his lawyer.So it's not dishonesty.By the way, I would point out that Travis Wilson committed the same violation
as Jamaal: underage drinking.However, Jamaal has to sit out 1 game
while Whittingham let Wilson's thing slide. He really doesn't even
need Wilson for the 1st game. Kyle is desperate for a winning season this year.
He won't even let Wilson sit for Idaho State, and he threw a fit when
Harvey Langi decided to transfer. He is clinging on to his career.
Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for not whining, but accepting
correction like a man and become even better. I love his attitude and really
feel he will be one of the BYU greats for a long time to come. Saving him for
Texas is going to be a great benefit for BYU. The poor Texas coaches won't
have the advantage of watching any game film on Williams to prepare for the
Chrissy b,Please let me thank you again from cougar nation for being one
of our greatest,supportive and concerned cougar fans in the state of Utah .
Your commitment and concern is greatly appreciated !
Is drinking part of the BYU experience? I think not.The UConn game
will be an eye opener for a lot of people. Specifically, they will realize that
the loss of Williams is not as big of a loss as they thought.The
irrefutable fact is that the combination of Hine, Lasike, and Brown will be just
as effective as Williams, if not even more effective. Those three have skills
that will more than compensate for Williams' absence.There is
no doubt that Williams accomplished a lot last year. But there is no doubt that
he monopolized the vast majority of the carries.Any one of the other
running backs would have been just as effective if given the same number of
carries. Don't forget that Hine out rushed Williams in the Idaho State
game, on fewer carries. BYU will be just fine.
@ChrisB - does it really matter to you? That is between him and BYU