Published: Monday, Aug. 11 2014 9:30 a.m. MDT
Nixon was impeached for spying on an opposing political party.Obama's administration has been caught spying on Congress, spying on the
American people, using the power of the IRS to suppress political opponents,
running guns to Mexican drug cartels (which were then used to kill US Border
patrol agents), abandoning a US ambassador to die and then lying to the American
people repeatedly about the cause, enacting Executive Orders to alter laws when
he doesn't have the Constitutional authority to do so, etc. Any other
president in US history would have been impeached and run out in disgrace long
ago. However, with a lapdog Senate and lapdog media, impeachment isn't a
realistic option for Obama.The best that can be accomplished now is
to simply render Obama politically impotent and limit his ability to cause
further damage to the United State of America until his term ends and he can be
replaced with someone more honest and competent.
IMO Impeachment is "crazy talk". Just as it was back when Democrats
proposed impeaching President Bush.The difference is... today some
fringe people on the right talk about it. During the Bush Administration it
was actual CONGRESSMEN who did it. And Majority of Democrats in the House
supported the motion (not just the fringe Democrats). It would have come up for
a vote but Bush Presidency ended before they could do it.There's a difference between a few fringe people who really oppose the
President and his policies holding up signs and talking about it... and actual
mainstream elected representatives drafting the bill and bringing it up for a
vote in Congress (and the majority of Democrats in the House voting FOR it
BTW).So you can't say it never got serious consideration from
Democrats back when Bush was President. But majority of Democrats in Congress
voted FOR it!Google "Efforts to impeach Bush" and
"Efforts to impeach Obama"...Wikipedia has a good outline on both.
Democrats actually wrote up the articles of impeachment and voted FOR it.
Republicans didn't. But Democrats are whining...Politicians
should know... what goes around comes around (eventually).
@Shane333 – “… and he can be replaced with someone more honest
and competent.”No doubt the only candidates who will meet this
criteria are of both the conservative and Caucasian persuasion.
Shane333, there is a lot of misinformation in your post, starting with your very
first sentence. Nixon resigned before the Articles of Impeachment went to the
full house. The Benghazi meme has been debunked several times (even by the
GOP's own investigations), the gun running was a hold out from Bush
policies. The IRS "scandal" has been disproved. And administrations have
delayed implementation of legislation in the past. (Bush and Part D).
@2 bits – “IMO Impeachment is "crazy talk". Just as it was
back when Democrats proposed impeaching President Bush.”You
mean like when Reps actually did impeach President Clinton (only falling short
of votes) because they were able to trap him into a lie about a sexual liaison?
Do you really want to engage in a “who’s purer” debate when it
comes to following the constitutional direction on remedies for “high
crimes & misdemeanors?” My guess is the Right has never
forgiven the (almost) impeachment of Nixon just like they have never forgiven
the rejection of Bork (and almost Thomas) and until they extract their pound of
fresh we will continue to see this partisan playground nonsense.
Shane333Cedar Hills, UTObama's administration has been
caught spying on Congress, spying on the American people, using the power of the
IRS to suppress political opponents, running guns to Mexican drug cartels (which
were then used to kill US Border patrol agents), abandoning a US ambassador to
die and then lying to the American people repeatedly about the cause, enacting
Executive Orders to alter laws when he doesn't have the Constitutional
authority to do so, etc. Any other president in US history would have been
impeached and run out in disgrace long ago. However, with a lapdog Senate and
lapdog media, impeachment isn't a realistic option for Obama.====== Seriously?The process is -- Drum up
the indictment.Hold a Congressional hearing.Vote.And THEN Impeach.The House GOP hasn't even past the 1st hurdle,
for a single instance you claim.i.e., CARZY talk, that's
what it is, and that's why....BTW -- your memory of the 8 years
under GW Bush is pathetic.
From the article: "Republicans have used the word “impeach” or
“impeachment” only four times."There was a photo
accompanying the article which was 3 people waving a handmade "Impeach
Obama" banner and the U.S. flag. I suppose we are to believe these
individuals are Democrats?
Well, the HEADLINE is correct. The rest of the article . . . . . ?
@OneWifeOnly,Yes the picture shows 3 people holding up a handmade
sign. Nobody said they are Democrats. But I think you can find 3
crazy-talkers like this in EITHER party. Probably way more than 3. We had 251 of them in the House back when Bush was President. The vote in the
House was 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary
Committee on June 11 2008. In my eyes that's crazier than 3 people waving
their sign on a bridge.=======================@Tyler
DThis may shock you, or not fit your stereotype for me but... I
think it was crazy-talk to impeach President Clinton for his transgressions as
well. But remember... he was impeached for lying to Congress, not for what he
did with Monica. Perjury and lying to Congress are still a big thing,
especially when it's our President. But that whole episode was crazy
(IMO).I don't know if it was Nixon payback. And I don't
approve whether it was or not. I'm just saying payback happens in
politics... that's a fact of political reality (not something I like or
@2 bits" During the Bush Administration it was actual CONGRESSMEN who
did it."You must not pay much attention to House Republicans
@2 bits – “This may shock you, or not fit your stereotype for me
but... I think it was crazy-talk to impeach President Clinton for his
transgressions as well.”Actually I think you can be one of the
more interesting characters on this board because there are times you exhibit
some real independence of thought & perspective (vs. many who just parrot
talking points).Anyway, glad you think the Clinton episode was crazy
too, but I think it’s important to understand why. First, he did not lie
(directly) to Congress – he lied to a congressionally appointed special
prosecutor who used an open-ended deposition process to blindside him with an
embarrassing personal question. That he lied about it scarcely rises
to the level of high crimes & misdemeanors, but that hardly mattered to the
rabid partisans out for his blood. And I would venture to say that
most of our elected officials put in a similar circumstance could be in the same
hot water (and is why both sides are now scared to death to ever use a special
prosecutor again).Previous comment – should have been
“pound of FLESH.”
@2 bits:I don't think Democrats are talking about impeachment of a
Democratic president. I do think Democrats are talking about Republicans who
are talking about impeachment of President Obama. If you disagree, please name
one Democrat who has suggested the House of Representatives impeach our current
president.Historically, the House of Representatives have launched
investigations to impeach at least 12 presidents. But an investigation is not
the same thing as an impeachment which has happened to only 2 presidents and
both were acquitted and not removed from office. The one which most certainly
would have removed a sitting president from office was against President Nixon.
On the other hand, it is a fact that U.S. House of Representatives
has never sued a sitting president in all of U.S. history.
@SchneeRe: "You must not pay much attention to House Republicans
today"....That's probably true. I don't pay much
attention to House Republicans. They are a joke (IMO). House Democrats and
the Senate... equally a joke.I don't pay much attention to what
they say on MSNBC either. Or FOX. What are they saying today... That House
Republicans have written up articles of impeachment for President Obama?Until they do... it's not the same. There will always be some
crazy-talkers (both sides). Some inside and outside Congress will bad mouth the
President (yes... even Obama). That's nothing new. Impeachment-talk is
"crazy-talk". But actually writing up articles of impeachment and
submitting them is WORSE. And the majority of your party voting to impeach the
President... is even MORE crazy (IMO). Yes... even when it's the evil
President Bush...IF House Republicans write up articles of
impeachment for President Obama, and proceed past political crazy-talk, and a
majority of them vote FOR impeachment (as Democrats did to Bush)... they will be
equal.Google both of them and at least read the opening paragraph...
one side went way further than talk...
No reasonable person can deny that traditional notions of American values is
under attack. That includes traditional values that influenced government. Now, we are faced with attack based politics in which politicians seek
to advance their own interests over that of the public. No civilized society
cannot withstand this discord.We cannot ignore impeachment as a tool
for saving America. If lawlessness reigns, anarchy will be the inevitable
result. As Abraham Lincoln famously stated "Whenever the vicious
portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and
thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing
presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at
pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
Gosh Webb –You’re using all the popular
“Conservative” Cliché’s . . . And PROJECTING to beat the
band.“Certainly, talk of impeaching the president is nutty
— but Democrats are the ones exploiting the issue.” Come
on LaVarr . . . It’s not Democrats who threaten impeachment. It’s
Republicans. Dems merely acknowledge that fact, and it if generates money for
the NDP, so much the better. BTW, I would like to extend a Thank You to those
loud Republicans out there who incessantly harp about impeachment. You’re
generating a massive amount of money for the Democratic Party. “Both political parties and both branches of government deserve outrage
and condemnation . . . ” Webb, you KNOW that’s not true.
Republicans may be magnanimous in sharing the blame, but the fact is that
Democrats are FOR good governance. And a growing number of Republicans are
AGAINST government altogether. That’s why it should be of no
surprise that when anti-government Tea Party types are elected, they do
everything possible to validate the premise that got them elected . . . That
government is bad. Perception has become reality. When Republicans dominate
government, then government IS in fact, bad.
@2 bitsIt doesn't matter if one side goes farther if that one side is
charging a President with breaking national and international law. With
Republicans they decided to sue him and then later decided what they should even
sue him for.
@ John Charity Spring, I've asked you before about the Lincoln quote, as
have others, and you've never responded. What ARE you talking about?"If lawlessness reigns, anarchy will be the inevitable result."
Of that, you are correct, but what are you saying? Did it apply in the prior
Administration as well, or is it just one sided?
Richard Nixon, if he were alive today and a Democrat, would not be impeached.
Blaming America for the drug cartels is a pure guilt trip. People all over the
world are their customers. And the children came here because Obama is not
deporting them. It will continue until we stop it by sending them back. Does anyone really think that letting them stay will solve the problem
in the future?
If I remember correctly, die hard Democrats created a movie where President Bush
was assassinated. Extremism it not the sole prevue of the far Left. High Crimes
and misdemeanors against the Constitution must be alleged and passed through the
House, then a super majority must vote to convict in the Senate. The Presidents
actions are only to bait the Republicans into impeachment action to rouse the
left's voting base in the upcoming November Election.
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