To "mark" I don't complain that the poor can't get treatment.
Just like me, they can get all of the treatment they can afford.Charity hospitals do a good job of caring for the poor. Between the charity
hospitals and the charity that Doctors perform, many of the poor receive better
care than I do. I don't begrudge them, but it is proof that a free market
health care system does an adequate job of caring for the poor.What
did Christ use that cost him money when helping the sick?If
profiting from the sick and infected is so bad, then why did you support the
ACA? The ACA was originally set up to have 30% excess in its fees. That excess
is PROFIT that the government would reap from those that signed up for its
insurance. Why can the government profit but private companies not?If profiting from the sick and infected is bad, what about the hungry? Should
grocery stores, food processors, and farmers also be banned from profits? What
about the cold and naked? How many others should not profit because somebody
needs them? The only profit making industry would be entertainment.
So, I don't understand, Redshirt, you complain that poor people can't
get treatment, and yet you then support the exact same system that causes the
poor not to get treatment. Charity hospitals are NOT able to provide for the
treatment of all those that need it. They never have, and they don't now.
So why don't you just be honest and say you don't think a
society should help provide healthcare for all it's members, and that those
without enough money should die from preventable causes? Or, put another way,
that only those wealthy enough should be able to recieve quality healthcare? For people to think there should be profit made off of the suffering of
others is very disturbing. For the Christians here, did Christ ever
charge when he healed the sick? Did he make a profit off of the sick? Are you
not to be Christ like? I don't understand how those that strive
to be Christ like, or believe this is a Christian nation, can advocate making
money off the sick and inflicted.
I think most of you are overestimating what medical science can do for cancer
and the fact that most cancers are not cureable, that it is earlier diagnosis
makes it look like people are surviving a little longer.I think that
it might make sense to cut out large amounts of existing cancers but many
physicians apparently do not put their family through the misery of chemo- or
radiation therapy. I wonder why? More thought should be directed
to the cause of cancers and international surveys indidcating which nations get
cancer and which typically have a very low incidence. Ask yourself why we have
so much while other nations have so little.All health care is very
expensive in the United States whether insurance is private or publicly
mandated. I appreciate private because I can decide whether I want it or not,
though they might take my children from me if I do not choose to avail myself of
the conventional tratments.The cure for cancer is constant receipt
of pancreatic enzymes which only the super rich can afford; all cancer victims
apparently have a broken pancreas. Think diet, but we're not allowed to
talk about that.
To "mark" I don't see any problem with a medical system that is a
for profit industry. The free market health care system is actually the best
system that we could have. What you need to realize is that the charity
hospitals and clinics are part of the free market system.The
absolutely worst medical systems are the ones run by the government. I fear for
the day that the US government finishes taking over the health care system.
Somehow I doubt the letter is propaganda, redshirt. But it's
good that you see the problem with a medical system entirely ran for profit. So,
absolutely, let's make healthcare affordable for all and go with single
This letter is nothing more than propaganda.To "Alicia
Monterroso" you are missing out on huge facts that are missing. The biggest
is the fact that despite having insurance the poor cannot afford treatment.For example, if a poor person becomes ill, how are they supposed to pay
for the $100 doctor visit, and the $300 in lab fees to discover that they have
cancer? They still have to meet their $3000 deductible before the insurance
will pay 80%. Now they find that they have cancer, and their yearly out of
pocket maximum is $12,000 for what it will cover, but it doesn't cover
everything for their cancer treatment. They still have to come up with $20,000
for their out of pocket maximum plus the things not covered by insurance.Cancer treatment wasn't affordable before Obamacare, and it still
is out of their price range. So now we get to pay for insurance that they
can't use because they can't afford the out of pocket expenses.
While I agree with Alicia's premises, another part of this issue is our
attitude regarding death. When my mother, who suffered from Alzheimer's
for over 10 years, was diagnosed with cancer, I was devastated. Not only was
she suffering from that horrible pain; she didn't understand why. Luckily,
she passed after only a few days and hospice was able to control most of her
pain. But I spent a few days wishing with all my heart the euthanasia was legal
and wondering what I would do to help her.
I suggest a little more research is needed for those that quote platitudes in an
attempt to disparage those who see advantages to a single payer healthcare
system. No one gets something for nothing. All would participate. You are paying
more than double for healthcare whether you use it or not than the rest of the
world but yet on average outcomes are in the middle of the road at best. It has
been suggest we start getting our moneys worth. I believe it is our obligation
to see that everyone has access and that a healthy society benefits us all in
ways too numerous to see. It's too bad some feel good healthcare is some
kind of litmus test for their personal economic success.
"The bigger question is this: do we want to become just another
European-style entitlement state which forces taxpayers to foot the bill for
every want and need of those who refuse to support themselves?"John, what a spurious argument. NOBODY is saying the government, the
taxpayers, should "foot the bill for every want and need" for anyone.
Nobody, (not even marxist, I'm sure) is saying this. What reasonable people
are saying is that people SHOULD NOT DIE because they cannot afford health care.
People should NOT be forced into massive debt to pay for medical care for
themselves, or their loved ones. THAT is what reasonable people are
demanding. And I'll say it again: NOBODY is asking for taxpayers to provide
for peoples "every want and need." I WANT a nice motorcycle.
I WANT a nice trip to Europe. NOBODY is asking the taxpayers to provide me with
these things. NOBODY. Your argument is absolutely spurious! Now, if you are done with your false arguments, perhaps we can have an honest
discussion about health care in this country.
RE: John Charity Spring " The bigger question is this: do we want to
become just another European-style entitlement state which forces taxpayers to
foot the bill for every want and need of those who refuse to support themselves?
"Yes we do. It would be an improvement over what we have now.
At some time in everyone's life he or she cannot support himself.
I agree with JCS. We can no longer afford entitlements. Just because you're
head of an insurance company doesn't mean you can cut my health care just
because you don't feel like paying for my cancer treatments.Just because you're head of a corporation doesn't mean you can
determine which medications my wife uses.We need to end private
insurance and go to a single payer system. Why should corporations make billions
because we get sick? Why do they feel entitled to our money?
I'm sorry for your loss. The sad truth is that several thousand
people die in the US every year from many treatable illnesses, not just cancer.
This is a problem that predates Obamacare and was actually part of the impetus
behind health care reform. Obamacare does have problems, but it is a
step forward from what we had. Americans pay more for health care
and have worse outcomes than citizens of countries that offer
single-payer/socialized medicine. The fact that we allow our lives and
health to be treated as for-profit commodities is insane. It is
time to bring the US into single payer healthcare and stop letting people die
for lack of basic medical care.
Every now and then we hear this kind of story, which actually occurs all the
time but goes unnoticed beyond those affected. It's why we really, really
need a single payer health care, not health insurance, system.
This is the central issue of our time, which encompasses must more than health
care. The bigger question is this: do we want to become just another
European-style entitlement state which forces taxpayers to foot the bill for
every want and need of those who refuse to support themselves? Clearly, the
answer should be No!Charles Dunoyer famously stated that "one
consequence of the industrial regime is to destroy artificial inequalities, but
this only highlights natural inequalities all the more clearly." Dunoyer
continued', "superior abilities . . . are the source of everything that
is great and useful . . . Reduce everything to equality and you will bring
everything to a standstill. " This is why state intervention of any kind
must be rejected. Natural inequalities such as differences in physical,
intellectual, and moral capabilities are crucial to an economy of growth and
@Lyn52, Insurance is not healthcare. It is a gimmick to extract money from
patients. The ACA is nothing more than the first step to get more people to pay
their way. Nothing un-American or anti Capitalist about that. If we were serious
about providing quality healthcare for all we would adopt a single payer system
that could reach all with minimum out of pocket expenses by pooling everyone. As
things are now and before the ACA, the patients to which the author refers must
be of means to afford the best and it is still the biggest factor of personal
bankruptcy and when you consider a big majority of those filing have insurance
then something is terribly wrong. The future of the ACA remains to be seen but
until we move on expect more of the same.
Alicia Monterroso makes a very good point. She makes this statement ". Can
you imagine someone you love dearly such as a mother, wife or sibling suffering
in such awful pain? Can you imagine the guilt of not being able to save someone
because of lack of funds? Time passes quickly, and days with sick loved ones
must be cherished. A minute more is worth far more than we realize."This very scenario is being played out over and over in our state
because of the lack of action of our Governor Herbert and the State Leg. They
sit on their hands playing political games talking out both sides of their
mouths, while enjoying first class health care for themselves and their
"loved ones". A lot of suffering could be eliminated by a
little conscience, compassion, a lot of backbone and the stroke of the pen!It's long past time to man up Governor!
This letter is a great indictment of the old (and continuing) abuses of the
medical insurance industry. Obamacare has nothing to do with it because it was
so badly watered down that it did little to bring the abuses of that industry
"Obamacare is not healthcare, but the insurance you buy is."More sour grapes for Obamacare being a smash success and your boy losing in
2012?They're the same thing. Both help to pay for the health
care provided by the medical community. You trying to make health insurance out
to be somehow better than Obamacare only shows how bitter the right it still.
Keep dwelling on it, cuz it's gonna be a very long time before the GOP
sniffs the White House again.
Obamacare is not healthcare, but the insurance you buy is.
How would anyone know about these treatments when the Republican Party has
already shifted focus to the IRS, Benghazi, black opt helicopters, and now the
lawsuit to impeach the President?People here complain about the
biased media. In reality, the media doesn't help Obama out at all. If they
really were on his side they'd stop worrying about covering the GOP garbage
scandals and would remind folks of the massive success that Obamacare is.The right's desire to pollute dialog today with fake scandals and
garbage paranoia and pessimism has been extremely successful.
This is a poignant and important letter. It illustrates that health care is
still very much under the control of the so-called "medical-industrial
complex." Those of us who wanted single payer or "medicare for all"
foresaw these issues. People need to demand care for their loved
ones, and back up that demand with action. In the future new political parties
will arise which propose health care solutions. Seek them out and support them
if they make sense.