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Published: Friday, Aug. 8 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LOU Montana
Pueblo, CO

Gee I had no idea that Conservatives were such a minority. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Everyone has a degree of conservative values and everyone has Liberal values. So enough of this war on Conservatives and Liberals. In this day and age it is the radical Fascism of Conservatives that scares people. I don't need bearded people with guns, bandanas and camouflage waving a book telling me what religion is correct. This is not the Middle East and the 40's area of GWBush is finished as well. It is OK to have your own values just don't hurt other people.

Create all the art you want because I enjoy it all.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

As long as the art is focused on conservative themes, holds its members to moral standards, and avoids propogandish representations of the other side - I think that is great. I think every aspect of American culture should be represented, and often the conservative view point is over shadowed by sensationalized forms of entertainment that even makes the most progressive blush.

But too often it moves to topics and representations that extend too far. Just as was the case of some art that tried to depict the carnage of the wars of the previous administration - which were inappropriate and were more propaganda than art - likewise the same type of art has been part of the conservative side. We had a young missionary in our area who father is a prominent conservative artist - one whose work at times is quite uplifting and nice - but who obviously had a deep seeded dislike of the current president. As people inside and outside the church grew to know of this relationship, it became clear that the unfairly attached political art was impacting this elders ability to convey the message he was here to give.

Debate ideas, attack bad concepts, but respect people.

ECR
Burke, VA

It is interesting that so many think that art is tilted toward liberalism. In light of today's discussion about immigration, I wonder which side of the aisle this poem lands?

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightening, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin-cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands your storied pomp,” cries she
With silent lips.“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp and my heart beside the golden door.”

Emma Lazerus

Art should be cherished for the richness it brings to our lives and never used for political purposes. This poem mixes the ideas that resonate with both sides and makes me wonder why we can't always do the same in all of our discourse.

Esquire
Springville, UT

When does art move from artistic expression to propaganda? It's a good question. Art for the purpose of propaganda is no longer art.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Art is great. It's a great way to communicate. Political art is called "Propaganda". Socialists, Communists and Nazis were great at it back in the 1930's-40's. Some of that propaganda art is still famous today. Google it. Great graphics. But the message was mis-guided (IMO).

Every regime does it... so I'm not going to complain. It wouldn't change anything to complain anyway.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Esquire, you must of seen the same satire of art I saw.

I've seen Conservative Art at University Mall in Orem, the ones where Obama is burning or standing on the constitution, or Christ is handing the constitution to Saint Ronald or George Washington.

Or maybe Senator Hatch will sell the rights to more Utah Schools to sing his cheezey songs, (Hatch, patriotically cashing in, on Utah's parents)

Yeah we need more of that?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Utah has produced the most hilarious right-wing propaganda now on sale as serious "art" in the malls of Utah Valley ... I suppose political cartooning is an art form, but let's not mistake it for Michelangelo, shall we?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think private people expressing themselves through art and selling it in the mall (like in Orem) is just "art" and personal expression.

When the President ASKS people to create art to support his agenda, and the government even funds that political message art, and even distributes it... it's "Propaganda".

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We were good at propaganda too in the 1930's and 40's too (Uncle Sam posters, Rosy the Riveter, etc). I'm not saying it's all bad. You just need to be able to see it for what it is, and not let the partisan blinders kick in. It's hard... that type of art is intended to play on those partisan buttons. They know how to push them (often so subtly you don't even notice it).

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I think Adam Bellows and his "Liberty Island",
just see the finacncial success of FoxNews,
and wants a pice of the action.

Calling a Politically biased, In your Face Agenda "NEWS" is a misnomer.

This is -- Propaganda.

propaganda [prop-uh-gan-duh]
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

jsf
Centerville, UT

"Art for the purpose of propaganda is no longer art"

"Utah has produced the most hilarious right-wing propaganda now on sale as serious "art" in the malls of Utah Valley ...but let's not mistake it for Michelangelo, shall we?"

and thank you omm
propaganda information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

Since conveying ones personal feelings, beliefs or interest makes propaganda art is no longer valid, then we must discount as propaganda such artists as Michelangello, Botticelli, Perugino, Roselli, Norman Rockwell, Salvador Dali, Goya and many others.

Just because you dislike the theme of the artist does not equate to the quality or skill of an artist. Because the artist sells his wares in an orem mall, you discount his skill. Yet you make no analysis of his technique or skills. This makes you bigoted based on politics not on the art itself. Does this mean Arnold Friberg's Prayer at Valley Forge is not art because it is sold on the internet?

kiddsport
Fairview, UT

Interesting to see all these liberal hacks ascribing anything conservative as propaganda and only liberal depictions of life are "true art." I noticed the author trotted out a number of progressive icons to defend the liberal bastions of the arts. I for one would love to see more entertainment come from a more conservative core and it's not propaganda because it truly depicts what the "silent majority" lives day in and day out.
Looking at the Open Minded Mormon's definition of propaganda, it seems an apt description of liberal media these days and his description of politically biased, in-your-face agenda fits mostly what the MSM has become. Just look at the lack of coverage of significant events such as Benghazi, IRS scandals, Fast and Furious, NSA spying, etc. until they become too obvious to ignore. Then they only get superficial treatment. All the while, the only real coverage can be had on....you guessed it- FOXNEWS!

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"He wants to bring together a new generation of conservative artists and story-tellers to challenge liberalism’s dominance of American literature and popular culture."

Hitler did the same thing. He removed the "degenerate" liberal art from public viewing and replaced it with art commissioned to glorify the ideal of Aryan dominance.

Modern "Conservatives" don't fall far from that tree, do they?

So we're going to have "Conservative" artists and story tellers challenging "liberalism's dominance" huh?

I can hardly wait.

I can't remember the last time I saw a "Conservative" blockbuster movie . . . Or listened to a "Conservative" recording artist selling out arenas around the country.

And I'm anxiously awaiting the release of Atlas Shrugged part III . . . The first two were so terrible, I'd like to see if the next one can exceed my negative expectations.

Face it folks . . . American "Conservatism" is just too unbelievable to even be translated into a work of fiction.

Nobody buys it . . . Well not "nobody," . . . But nobody who can think logically buys it.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

How can this be any different than the billboards, posters,
TV, Radio, songs, etc.
of say --
Communist China, the former Soviet Union, or Nazi Germany?

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

Hey, it's a business plan, plain and simple. As soon as I saw the word "credentialing," that sealed it. The "foundation" or "association" for this cointelpro project is going to need a leader, and a leader needs a salary, and staff, and offices. And there will be donors who support the social aims of the project.

The founders have sniffed out an organizational niche that hasn't been filled yet, and are going to cash in, just like other organizations in other niches, defending the unborn, defending traditional marriage, defending free enterprise, or other political hot points. Yes, there are people who passionately support certain causes, but there are also people who make very, very nice livings pandering to them. By their Form 990s shall ye know them.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Happy Valley Heretic, I did not see the "art" at the mall, but I've seen plenty of other vile stuff that belittles our President, and thus our nation. The perpetrators have the freedom to express themselves, but they shouldn't be considered artists. Shame on the mall for effectively engaging in political activity.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

OMM,

How long did you have to search to find THAT definition?

These were the top-2 listed when I googled it...

Google:
"prop·a·gan·da
noun
1. derogatory information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view."

Wikipedia:
"Propaganda is a form of communication aimed towards influencing the attitude of a population toward some cause or position"...

Is that not exactly what this article is about???

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

Create art that expresses the good, the true, and the beautiful, and a conservative culture, according to the modern meaning of the phrase, will follow. No overt political content is necessary.

Modern art is largely (not entirely, but largely) a function of fad. It is decadent, in the Jacques Barzun sense. We have run out of new things to say, because God is dead, and there is no objective standard by which to prefer a few random scribbles on a page to a Titian. So we celebrate randomness, because it's easy to be originally random, and it reflects perfectly the nihilist mindset that is the prevailing wisdom of postmodernism.

You cannot think too hard about really great art, without quickly coming to some very conservative conclusions about the world and human nature. Create great art, and the culture will follow.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Shame on the mall for effectively engaging in political activity. Shame on the mall for not performing political censorship based on my political leanings. Shame on the mall for not being a pillar of liberal thought as understood by a small circle, demanding liberal ideology.

The artist you question has done what few artists can. He has moved you to evaluate his art, you have been emotionally moved one way or the other. You are drawn to evaluate his message.

But in your disdain you never look to his artistic ability. You never evaluate the strokes of his brush. Michelangello was not just a great artist because of his brush strokes, it was because when you see his works you see his thoughts and beliefs. A true artist gives you thoughts and emotions.

airnaut
Everett, 00

jsf
Centerville, UT
Shame on the mall for effectively engaging in political activity. Shame on the mall for not performing political censorship based on my political leanings. Shame on the mall for not being a pillar of liberal thought as understood by a small circle, demanding liberal ideology.

The artist you question has done what few artists can. He has moved you to evaluate his art, you have been emotionally moved one way or the other. You are drawn to evaluate his message.

But in your disdain you never look to his artistic ability. You never evaluate the strokes of his brush. Michelangello was not just a great artist because of his brush strokes, it was because when you see his works you see his thoughts and beliefs. A true artist gives you thoughts and emotions.

2:18 p.m. Aug. 8, 2014

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Is this more of the pushing political views like
walking around the same mall sporting an AR-15 assault rifle?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Because the artist sells his wares in an orem mall, you discount his skill. "

Umm... no. No one said anything about not having skill.... but it is the intent that many object to. Art with the intent to breed hatred, resentment, feelings of superiority over others... that is what I don't approve of. Matters not how much talent some one has - but rather the message they are trying to tell through their art. If that message is one of derision or feelings of contempt, if it does not uplift the spirit... I have no use for it no matter the skill of the artist.

I have a music library of tens of thousands of songs that I have collected over a period of time far longer than I care to mention... but have recently been purging it of music that have a positive overtone. Many of these songs I really liked.... but as a whole, I don't miss them. What we put in our heads - whether via music, visual arts, or literary - impacts who we are. Garbage in, garbage out. Hate in.... that hate becomes part of who we are.

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