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Published: Friday, Aug. 8 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Thursday, Aug. 7 2014 10:05 p.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"...but they [monuments via the Antiquities Act} have profoundly negative effects on the very meaning of representative government in this end of the country."

Well actually that is not the case. These are public lands and Senator Durbin has as much right to weigh in as Representative Bishop.

Now as to the creation of the monument, there are a number of issues which must be considered. I agree that local economies must receive prime consideration. So let's consider the components of the economy in the area. Number one is tourism, and the monument will help that. Number two is natural resource recovery. This can be a prime source of well paid local jobs so it can't be blown off. The monument will of course hurt this. The deciding factor for resource recovery is the potential for environmental damage. If there is to be a lot of fracking that is a big negative because fracking endangers dwindling water supplies. Number three is agriculture, which is increasingly unviable as the southwest literally dries out via global warming.

On balance I lean to the formation of the monument to support tourism. Others of course see this differently.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

In other words:

"Utahans are powerless to stop President Obama from designating a new monument, but if he does, we are going to be really angry!!!!"

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Only time will tell whether the president is wise enough to shun the path President Bill Clinton took in creating the Grand Staircase-Escalante Monument.

Have to disagree completely!
This was a forward thinking move, one that plans for the future for many generations to come. Alternatively Rob and his merry band of developers, oil, gas and mineral extractors, whom pay him well to see that land as being wasted if they can't destroy it, want to lock it up, sell it off and "dig for riches" instead of the renewable tourism which continues to rise.

Proximity is NOT ownership, We all own this land, all Americans. This xenophobia of easterners is childish, their taxes pay to not only maintain, but extinguish fires, and clean up after the extractors leave Supersite Clean-ups.

I really Hope Obama does this, for all American's instead of Utah politicians who stand to make the most after their sponsors "clean up."

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

These are lands owned by the federal government; they are NOT "Utah lands" as some people try to call them. They should be evaluated to determine if they meet the requirements for monument designation. If they meet the requirements, designate them as a monument. If they do not meet the requirements for monument designation, do not so designate them. End of discussion.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

This newspaper has supported the President and has standing to order him around. Or disparage him daily if he follows the national interest.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I am sure President Obama will have advisors and staff closely study the issue, take feedback from varied interests, and make a rational and reasoned decision. And that is how it is supposed to happen, and it is the President's role to do exactly that with land owned and managed by the Federal government. My interest doesn't lie with mining and other business interests who want to exploit the land for short term gain. I have other interests. Utah as a whole will be fine if these lands are designated, and maybe better off in the long run.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Do it President Obama!

Utahns will dislike you no matter what you do! So why not do the right thing and expand these monuments? Anything that bishop is for, I'm against! Anything he's against, all of us should be for!

I just wish President Obama could declare the south end of the Salt Lake Valley a monument or park. I really don't feel like paying for a prison relocation because a certain number of legislators want to make a lot of money (at my expense).

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"One gets all stakeholders involved in solutions."

Guess what . . . EVERY American is a stakeholder in our Federal Lands . . . NOT just the state of Utah. And a lot of us do NOT want to see Utah indiscriminately despoil and pillage our Public Lands.

"The other breeds resentment and makes people feel powerless."

So be resentful Utah. Have a hissy fit. Who cares if you feel powerless that you cannot have your way with OUR land?

You have no more right to that land then any other state. It doesn't matter that it lies within your borders. We the people of the United States OWN that land, and if you want some power over that land, then you have to ask OUR permission first. BTW . . . tantrums, crying, whining, and stamping your feet don't impress us much.

If you want the land, then let's see a realistic offer. You don't expect us to just give it to you . . . do you?

That would be socialism. Besides, Utah already accepts far too much charity from the Federal Government. Let’s see some pride for a change.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Why do you think Congressman Bishop and the GOP is finally acknowledging the people's desire for more protection? It's because of BO and the antiquities act. If a credible proposal is not offered by Bishop that designates millions of acres of protection then BO will use his pen. BO is currently saying little but is carrying one big stick!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The people of Utah want this. This just shows how out of touch our representatives are.

What's wrong with protecting our lands so all may enjoy them? Don't oil companies have enough ugly lands in Texas and North Dakota to exploit? Those are ugly states.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The President must act quickly to create this monument. I simply do NOT trust Rob Bishop to preserve this beautiful land.

I have no problem with bonafide input to such decisions, but the Bishop process is not trustworthy. You can't have a "negotiation process" with pillagers and pirates for whom all value resides in their wallets.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Maybe we should just make ALL Utah a national preserve... to protect it from the Utahns who currently infest this land.

Driving home this week I was listening to an interview with a leader in the Escalante area. I can't remember if he was the Mayor or what (I was driving so I wasn't totally listening until it got interesting). They were talking about discussions they had with the Congressman from back East who graced us with a visit from his excellency.

He said the Congressman was shocked when he pointed out that the 3 county area they were in was the size of Connecticut, had a population of 20,000, and not one stop light.

He mentioned that over 80% of his county was owned by the Government. But he felt sorry for 2 of his neighbor counties where over 90% of the land was owned by the Government.

I wonder how political leaders in Connecticut would feel if 80-90% of their State was owned and controlled by people out West.

Utah is like any other State. We want freedom to control the land in our State.

mcdugall
Murray, UT

The media and politicians are trying to make this a state's rights issue, when it simply is not. The terms of the agreement for Utah becoming a state included a large transfer of land to the Federal government. This property is owned by the citizens of the United States. Also, this land needs to be protected from short term exploitation. Additionally, the whole idea that if this land was open for oil and gas extraction would benefit Utahn's is quite silly (long run). Over 2,750 barrels of oil each day are shipped by rail from the Uintah basin to California, completely bypassing Utah motorists, we live an international energy market, nothing is quite "local" anymore.

Beaver Native
St. George, UT

@mcdugall, You are forgetting about the jobs that would be created and the increase to the tax base. That's pumping money into Utah's economy.

@marxist, It's also a fallacy that the creation of another National Monument would bring increased revenue. There was not significant increase in tourism with the creation of the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument and the land is similar. It actually costs the government much more to administer these lands than the revenue that is brought in.

@Gary O: It can also be considered a Federal land grab because there are state school trust lands within the proposed boundaries. These lands would then be unavailable to Utah for development. This is still an issue from whenn the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument was created.

I am not necessarily proposing support one way or the other because I am not familiar with all of the environmental impacts. But let's keep our facts straight, and if there is a National Monument created, do a land trade for the State lands within the boundaries.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Beaver Native said:

@Gary O: It can also be considered a Federal land grab because there are state school trust lands within the proposed boundaries. These lands would then be unavailable to Utah for development. This is still an issue from whenn the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument was created.

They were traded, NOT lost, as I'm sure would happen here, by the way the school trust lands have been cut in have since there inception, being sold off to Utah developers for a one time profit, by the Trustees, so there's yet another example of shortsighted Utah Politicians.

Grand Staircase has not been developed as a tourist attraction...yet.

Tourism continues to rise in the state, while depleting natural resources is a one time deal.

The Educator
South Jordan , UT

@ Beaver Native

"You are forgetting about the jobs that would be created and the increase to the tax base. That's pumping money into Utah's economy."

You're forgetting about the costs to taxpayers to clean up the messes that these extractors leave behind.

"It actually costs the government much more to administer these lands than the revenue that is brought in."

False. Tourism brings millions to our state. Or was 18 million lost during Mike Lee's temper tantrum just imaginary? Serious question, have you spoken with any of our southern Utah brothers and sisters about that? Tourism provides thousands of Utahns good clean jobs. Unlike oil and coal extraction that is an finite resource, Tourism is an infinite resource. It will be here for our children and grandchildren to enjoy... Unless republicans decide to a shut down the government again!

To be continued...

The Educator
South Jordan , UT

Continued from above.

"It can also be considered a Federal land grab because there are state school trust lands within the proposed boundaries."

Ah yes, when all else fails bring in the "Somebody think about the children" excuse. If we want to really help education, let's get rid of the tax exemptions for 2 or more kids. Let's have big families actually contribute to financing education. Slap some skin into education instead of receiving handouts. If we want to care about children, let's preserve these lands for them! Not destroy them.

The funny thing about the drill baby drill crowd is that they're never satisfied. We've already given them Texas and the Dakotas to exploit and plunder. Yet, that's not enough! It's never enough. Utahns need to ask themselves, is creating a few temporary jobs so that we can sell oil and coal to china really worth the health costs? Is it really worth us forking out millions to clean up? Is it worth destroying beautiful lands forever?

Has anyone ever regretted preserving lands? Has anyone not regretted pillaging them?

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

"The letters reads as if people in Utah had never considered such things or were unaware of their existence. Quite the opposite is true, but there is much more to the story."

The letters reads???

Proofreading pays!

"Quite the opposite is true" ???? Sources??? citations???

No, from what I see, most Utahns don't really care about endangered species or any other environmental concerns that we "liberals" have.

Unbridled use of land for any selfish purpose seems to be the attitude.

Please "liberal" senators, keep up the good work protecting Utah from Utah's "leadership"!

one old man
Ogden, UT

2 Bits nailed it when he wrote: "Maybe we should just make ALL Utah a national preserve... to protect it from the Utahns who currently infest this land."

No one could have stated it better.

Spangs
Salt Lake City, UT

Virtually all Utahns love our state because of its proximity to beautiful public lands. I don't know a tea-party libertarian conservative (and I know a lot) who doesn't go out and camp/hunt/fish/ski/hike. I also see this issue pulling them apart! On one shoulder, they LOVE these pristine lands and the great quality of life they provide. On the other shoulder is their general ubiquitous disdain for the federal government which stewards these lands.

Maybe the ultra-conservative libertarians should concentrate on something else they actually don't like, such as high taxes, gun laws, food stamps and healthcare? If they scream too much, these cowboys might lose the range they ride off into the sunset in.

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