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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 6 2014 9:19 p.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, Aug. 6 2014 9:19 p.m. MDT

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FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

I noticed that the most religious schools were also the most LGBT-unfriendly.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

I noticed the least religious schools were also the most Dependent on Government.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

@FatherOfFour

Define unfriendly?

Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

What? That school on the hill isn't one of the least religious?

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@Liberal Ted, The survey itself defines unfriendly and explains their scoring methodology. It is mostly centered around bullying, ostracism, and aggressive, confrontational behavior.

ArizonaMormon
Mesa, AZ

Why doesn't BYU-Idaho ever make these lists, or the 'most-sober' lists. It's a separate university from BYU with its own, separate faculty and curriculum. It's not a small school either, with an enrollment of 15,000 it's bigger than a lot of more well-known schools.

Uncle Rico
Sandy, UT

@ Fatheroffour

"I noticed that the most religious schools were also the most LGBT-unfriendly."

FatherO'4

I suspect thats because the Bible condemns that behavior. What do you think?
Really, this isn't rocket science...

Unless you intention was to once again bring in the LGBT issue.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@Uncle Rico,

The bible condemns many things. Eating shellfish, pork, working on Sundays, and many others. However, the bible does not teach you to treat others badly. That's actually the opposite of what it teaches.

Uncle Rico
Sandy, UT

@fatheroffour

I'm not sure where you are going with this..
I said nothing about treating people badly, only that the Bible condemns that behavior.
It is possible to love all, and treat others with respect and still understand what the Bible clearly teaches.
As far a shellfish etc, I don't know why that's in the Bible, but I not confused on the weightier matters it teaches.

nice try.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@FatherOfFour

Nobody is being treated badly. I realize that in many places throughout the world their are some individuals who believe the hatred way is the way to go. However, this is towards gays, race, religion, etc. But to single out an entire university and say they are treated badly falls on the line of uneducated. There just so happens to be a large contingent of LGBT at BYU who seem to get along very well and enjoy their college experience there. However, there are the select few who choose to make up their own problems to victimize themselves, and portray others as the hater. Just as is being done here. To be argumentative and pull out the shellfish, pork, etc only shows an antagonizing nature to create a problem, situation, or argument. This is not an entitlement society, therefore, people with race, LGBT, etc. issues, need to quit trying to vindicate themselves when their is no issues such the one of gays and BYU. The article simply states that BYU is a religious university based on their students, that's all. But have a great day anyway!

Steve in Ohio
Galloway, OH

@fatheroffour

You must have purchased the full report, I can't find the definitions to which you refer about LGBT unfriendly from the links in the article. Point taken that likely there are those at the most religious schools who need to improve how they treat others. However, a ranking based on a survey doesn't allow one to draw broad conclusions and paint the students at the school with a broad brush. When a behavior is not allowed at a given school, it is likely not perceived as a friendly place by those who practice that behavior or feel a desire to practice that behavior.

ArizonaMormon
Mesa, AZ

Fatheroffour,
Criticize LDS teachings all you want, I welcome the discussion. But, at least try to understand LDS theology first. Prohibitions against many otherwise random-seeming things were part of the Law of Moses, which was fulfilled upon the coming of Christ. Christians thereafter were no longer bound to Jewish dietary laws and other specifics in the Law of Moses. Teachings on chastity, including condemnation of homosexual behavior, were not only a part of the law of Moses and were indeed taught in the New Testament after the Law of Moses was fulfilled. Furthermore, LDS teachings are not based solely on the Bible but also on the teachings of modern church leaders who receive revelation from God for the Church.

OneWifeOnly
San Diego, CA

@Steve in Ohio, you don't have to purchase the report but you do have to register with a legitimate email, snail mail and phone number. After that you can view all the ranking categories and there are links from there that you can surf to understand how the rankings are compiled.

Here is what their web site has to say about the LBGT-Friendly/Unfriendly category: "Both lists are based on students' answers to the survey question: "Do students, faculty, and administrators at your college treat all persons equally regardless of their sexual orientations and gender identity/expression?"

Seems to me no surprise that the schools ranked highest in the category "most religious" are also highest in the category "most LGBT-unfriendly" as that mimics real world. These schools are also ranked high in the category "stone-cold-sober" and "Got Milk". Basically LDS Owned BYU campus mimics the teachings of the church that owns the university.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

@FatherOfFour

If you go along with Bible, it also doesn't allow you to condone homosexual relationships.

You can be nice to homosexuals. However, religious people are not going to change their standards so other people feel good. Mormons are not going to allow alcohol in their church, so people attending a wedding and who aren't Mormons themselves, feel good about coming. They're not going to compromise their standards.

If a cross dresser doesn't feel welcomed, because they are not allowed to cross dress....that is something they need to think about before signing the dotted line.

I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement. But, both sides of the aisle could try and respect each other a little bit more.

When the two gay men were drunk and decided to make a scene on Temple Square, of course that behavior isn't welcomed. It wouldn't be welcomed if it were a couple dating, married couple, man and woman, woman and woman etc.

Until you distinguish the reasons why they didn't feel welcomed, you can't put an assumption on it.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

If I own a private business and post a "No Skateboarding Allowed" sign. Does that make me un-friendly to skateboarders? What if I post "No Shop Lifting", does that make me un-friendly to customers? What if I post "No soliciting" at my home, does that make me un-friendly to small business? What if I post "Cash Only" am I un-friendly to credit cards and checks?

Could I still be friendly in all of those scenarios, still be a welcoming place and still maintain the rules that I have set?

Do you have to accept behaviors, addictions, attitudes and go along with it to be considered friendly?

Maybe the United States is un-friendly requiring people to get shots etc before entering the country. Would we be better off with open borders? Are we better off with the illegals entering now?

What about a gay bar? They're un-friendly to straight people.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

Good for BYU and the other schools for turning out an educated, religious, group of people. It's always nice to see young people who are not afraid to stand up for their values.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@UtahBruin
" there are the select few who choose to make up their own problems to victimize themselves"

While it is wrong to characterize all BYU students as anti-gay, it's just as wrong to believe that there is no bigotry against gays at BYU.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

To Father of Four, I wouldn't confuse unfriendly with staying true to one's values. We can believe what it says in Romans chapter one, and still love one another. It wouldn't hurt for all of us to increase our level of kindness, and I suspect that could apply to you as well.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

'Father of Four' is getting his opinion crushed.

What can I say?....he deserved it; if you say foolish things in public you deserve to have it corrected in public.

(PS - Notice I said his "opinion" is being shown as faulty, not "him" personally.)

As far as the article goes, I'm proud that BYU leads the way in being listed as the most religious university. I can't see/open a link to find the most un-religious schools but I'd bet a large sum of money they are schools where liberal philosophy permeates the entire campus.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

And I thought that the idea behind higher education was to educate, not indoctrinate.

Hmmm, guess I have it wrong.

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