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What the American Dream is, and what it isn't

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  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:22 p.m.

    @gmlewis

    A university's mandate, or "calling" is to provide an education. Learning how to do a job is the graduate's responsibility. Shedding liberal arts courses would create a bunch of mindless drones.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    The American Dream is the ability to discover your passion and freely pursue it, unburdened by caste systems, aided by access to quality education.

    In my mind, there are fewer inhibitors to pursing the American Dream than there are in discovering it. Too many allow others to define their dream for them, most often caught up in the message that wealth and things bring happiness. That may be true for some and if that's their true passion, it's every bit as valid an American Dream as any other. Unfortunately, too many seem to adopt material wealth as their American Dream without really having any true passion for it and when they achieve it, discover that for them, it's a hollow victory.

    Discover, dream, inquire. Be curious, read voraciously and you'll be on your way to discovering your true passion. Then pursue it with abandon. You'll discover the American Dream is alive and well.

  • ThornBirds St.George, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    2bits,
    Mao who?

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Aug. 8, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    2bits - The great majority of Americans would likely agree with the general precepts of your description in your 4:22pm post.

    Notwithstanding, any neutral analysis of the current economic state of American affairs will deem your statement that, "[i}t's the liberty to work as hard as you want, and to reap the rewards of your labor." to be almost nonexistent in modern America. Setting politics aside and focusing purely on raw data, it is undeniable that American worker productivity has continually improved over the last 30 years while wages have flatlined and purchasing power has declined in most cases. Corporate profits are at all time highs, the DJIA, S&P, NASDAQ, etc... are hitting all time highs yet middle class America is shrinking at alarming rates (under both political party control) along with their savings and nest eggs. Upward economic mobility is now more cartelized in America than almost any other developed nation. Your statement is ideal and I'd love for it to be a reality but it is not.

    Finally, the war is not against the 1% it is against the policies they have wrought via their unfettered lobbyist access to governmental officials of all stripes.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 4:22 p.m.

    Mike,
    The American dream is probably not one thing to all people. That's the beauty of it... it can be whatever the person thinks it is.

    It's basically the knowledge that EVERY person has the RIGHT to life... liberty... and the pursuit of happiness. Whether that's toys (for some)... or worshiping the way you want (for others)... it's your liberty to chase your dream... that's the Dream (IMO).

    You don't have to wait for the Government to deliver it to you... by waiting in some food line, or sign up to see if they will give you a home, or allowing you to work.

    It's the liberty to work as hard as you want, and to reap the rewards of your labor. And to use it the way you want. And to go as far as you can go in life.

    You can live frugally... and that has it's reward (peace of mind). OR... you can work and spend money as fast as you get it... that has IT's reward (usually followed by some sobering down times after you learn you can't sustain that lifestyle).

    Different things for different people.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    What is the American Dream? Is it to buy products from WalMart because you're too cheap to pay your neighbor for his efforts? Is it to buy a 2,000 square foot house so that everyone can have his own "space"? Is it to have two cars, a boat and off-road vehicle so that you can fully enjoy your week-ends? Or, is it to have a modest home, modest transportation, no boat, no off-road vehicle and no expensive toys?

    My family believes in the latter. Yes, we have a large yard, but we raise a large garden so that we, our children and our grandchildren can learn the law of the harvest. We live in a modest home with an unfinished basement. We spend our time with family, friends and neighbors. We've paid ourselves a modest salary from our businesses so that we had money to give anonymously to others. We lived the same way that our parents and grandparents lived.

    We don't blame others for our self-made problems. We are happy. We worship God instead of toys. What more could we want?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil,

    I didn't say it was a one-sided problem. I just used one example (200 word limit you know).

    Obviously both sides start contention, and both sides divide. I was just using the most divisive example I could think of at the time.

    When you get carried away with the 99%er stuff.... you get people like we had speaking at the Occupy Walstreet rallies that actually said we should kill the 1%ers. They did it in Russia too (during the Bolshevik Revolution). And Mao Zedong's Chinese Revolution 1949. And the French Revolution. It happens. This kind of contention starts civil wars, where people are actually willing to kill their neighbors because they are a 1%er, or a business owner, or a farm owner, Jews, Royals, wealthy people, or whatever is being used to vilify and divide out PART of that culture at the time. It's the pattern.

    But both sides do use divisive tactics, you are right.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 8, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    2Bits... are you saying this is a one way/one sided fight? That we haven't from the "other" side being pelted with sound bits about the 47%ers. I think most rational people understand that this is a contrived fight that both parties are propagating for their own very self serving purposes.

    Mathematically there will always be the 1 percenters - and the 47%ers. Much of the hype is contrived. But the problem is very real. There is becoming less and less room for less educated people in the job market. Automation is replace most of not all repetitive task jobs. I recently visited Harley-Davidson's factory, the most blue of blue color places there is, and the floor is near empty of people. Most tasks are automated. When was the last time you talked to a real customers service agent. Those jobs are gone - for ever.

    It is going to be increasingly hard for the 47% to find good paying work. The problem is real. The 1 percent didn't cause it. Innovation did. And it is going to get worse. Don't plan on being a truck driver in 20 years from now.

  • ThornBirds St.George, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    As has been stated previously, a small number of uber wealthy families and individuals are pulling the strings of our world. It could possibly even be our Universe.
    We little people are but puppets in their hands, more so each year.
    Sadly, the American dream translates to so many as continuing, life long, monetary success.
    No matter how much we all struggle, common sense and human nature, suggests that we give more of ourselves to others, not only materially, but the gift of time, concern, help, and love.
    That is the dream that makes one feel the warm glow, and helps one to sleep at night.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    What happens to the "American Dream" when our politics becomes about pitting PART of the American population against the other? Like the Lefts attempts to build contempt against the 1% among the 99%?

    I think it destroys it. It becomes the American Nightmare, and creates a civil war (even if it's just a war of words).

    You don't UNITE a Nation by dividing the people against each other, and stoking those divisions with constant contention.

    The Left blames almost everything on the 1%.... and what good does that do?

    Would we be better off WITHOUT the 1%??? If you really think it through... we would not be better off without them, or if we vilify them even more.

    America has always had it's 1%. They are PART of what enables the American Dream, just as the 99% are part of it.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    There never was an amreican dream to covet what others had. America's dream has always been the right to seek wealth and prosperity, independent of government and be rich and earn everything by the fruits of our labors.

    Once the NAFTA treaty was signed and large manufacturing and industry deserted this country to seek slaves and cheap labor in other country's and not pay taxes in the US. Our country economy was turned to dust. With prosperity you can have all the tangible benefits of wealth. Obama says we cannot have prosperity anymore, its not a shared equality of socialism.

    What Obama preaches and what the american prosperity was is not attainable under socialist rule and welfare. Individualism to become rich is what created what we had. Government did not give us prosperity or the american dream, we each have right to have prosperity and be rich. We don't have to share our wealth, we each earn our wealth and then you can buy all that you dream of without debt.

    We must revert to selfish prosperity to regain prosperity and create our dreams what ever they are. Dreams are whatever prosperity allows us to create.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 8, 2014 6:07 a.m.

    Patriot.... you crack me up.... do you really believe all the stuff you say, or are you saying this just for shock value. Do you really believe liberally minded people don't work as hard as you. Don't earn as much as you? You do realize that if what you were saying, that the states with the lowest per capita income should be liberal states... but what you find is the bottom 10 states in terms of household income are all conservative voting states. The highest income per household states are those that vote progressive. Are you saying that people in California, Washington State, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts etc are all getting those high incomes via government handouts?

    The issue we have is that the American Dream used to be an exclusive club. If you were white, male and Protestant, you were in good shape. If you were a woman, of other ethnic decent, or even something as radical as a Mormon... often barriers were in place to keep you from reaching the promised land. It was not a universally accessible dream - and if anything is more so by more people now than ever.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:35 p.m.

    In grade school it was the first kiss.
    Junior High it was the first touch down.
    High School it was to win the state championship.
    Graduate from HS and get that first good paying job (no college).
    Twenties Find the right girl.
    Thirties divorce that right girl.
    Go to college.
    Forties realize college was a waste of time and invest.
    Fifties you lose four houses, third wife, a Corvette just to pay for Cancer to stay alive.
    At 55.5 you wake up in a foreign country on your fourth marriage, trying to reinvest to retire at 65, your joints hurt, knee replaced, nuts and bolt in your body ache and you are just happy to be alive to see your grand kids grow.

    LOL Think about it......How is your American dream going.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    The article's summary {"The American dream is a utopian ideal] negated the article.

    to Mike R (earlier this afternoon)...

    If you don't care about CA & their internal fiscal why cherry pick the data and use it as an example?

    Last I checked, Texas was primarily red as was AZ.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    RE: The Educator "Folks, the American Dream is in need to a restart. We can start by reversing the silly republican economic policies that got us here in the first place."

    This is good advice conservatives. If you don't heed it you will get a socialist alternative. My socialist friends and I are planning it.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    The American Dream is most of America barely making ends meet while a select few own all the wealth and can buy whatever they want. At least, that's what conservatives told me...

    Folks, the American Dream is in need to a restart. We can start by reversing the silly republican economic policies that got us here in the first place.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    I just got this from Newsmax - thought you right-wingers might want to know:

    The 1 percent is literally rich beyond measure, depriving nations of billions in tax revenue and obscuring shifts in global inequality.

    Research conducted separately by analysts at the European Central Bank and London School of Economics show the wealth of the super-affluent — hidden by tax shelters and nonresponse to questionnaires — is undercounted.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    I don't know why Democrats are still lying about Red States vs Blue States, but the States with the highest welfare recipients are Blue States, with California being at the top. Check the latest data. The Illegal Immigrants are one of the chief causes if inflated welfare roles in Califoenia, Arizona and Texas. One news report showed that all of California's deficit could be attributed to illegal immigrants using public schools and health care. I'm not a resident of California. I will never be a resident if California, so I don't really care how they mishandle their tax revenues and expenditures. What I care about is false claims in the media. Blue States are spending more per capita on welfRe than Red States.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    The American dream isn't dead.

    However, it took 30 years of republican rule to run this country into the ground. Those wars, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, etc all took a toll. It's going to take probably another decade or two to regain what we've lost.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    RE: Iron & Clay "Using your individual talents and abilities to provide goods and services for others with a fair compensation that allows you to provide for your own needs will bring greater satisfaction/happiness than a welfare check."

    I absolutely agree, but what an individual can do is constrained by the system he or she lives in. Stream from PBS, Frontline episodes "Money Power & Wall Street."

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Patriot,

    My source is not MSNBC, it's the Economy pages from the New York Times. I particularly recommend the story with the headline "Corporate Profits Grow and Wages Slide" published April 4 of this year.

    Corporate profits, cash reserves, and executive compensation - all at record highs.
    Effective Corporate Taxes (what they _actually_ pay) - record lows.
    Employee wages - stagnant or falling.

    Those are the documented facts.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Using your individual talents and abilities to provide goods and services for others with a fair compensation that allows you to provide for your own needs will bring greater satisfaction/happiness than a welfare check.

    Self reliance and independence is a principle taught by LDS Prophets and Apostles during the years of the great depression.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    Two things very revealing here. First of all the article very adequately describes the American dream most of us older folks grew up with. "That dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement. " Stuff was a by product not a goal.

    So I basically agree this time with 2bits, with one exception. Liberty or freedom is baked into the concept of opportunity but when stated as a separate goal exposes it to the tricky interpretation of liberty for me not you (the freedom of one to express their religion over the right of another to take advantage of a law).

    The second is the right's complete misunderstanding of reality. With logic such as Food Stamps are at an all time high therefore the American dream is dead. Kids are graduating without jobs therefor the American dream is dead and one day will won't even be allowed to own our own homes.

    At best this is misinformed linear thinking political ideology. In reality it is the confused ranting of hate.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:32 a.m.

    The best time for the "American Dream" was the 50's, 60's, and early 70's. It was fueled by post-war rebuilding, a still vital union movement, GI-bill and yes high war-time era taxes on the wealthy. It turns out the good times were an aberration.

    We are now living the "Capitalist Dream" of wealth concentration, soaring profits off of investment in foreign countries, and stagnant wages.

    So how's capitalism working for ya?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    @patriot. We are getting through the worse recession since the great depression. The jobs are coming back but during the rough times the welfare type programs help families get through the tough times.

    The economy is not a light switch that you can just turn on and off, it takes time to get out of a big recession like we had.

    Fact 1. 79 percent of all SNAP(food stamps)households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person.

    A child can not work and maybe most elderly people can not either. What should they do, just starve?

    As far as the the keystone pipeline goes companies can not even fill energy type jobs. I know because I am in that industry. Companies are actually turning down work because they can not man it or at the very least can not get to the work for a long time.

    Of course it is easy to say that these "welfare" queens should take those jobs but these companies will not hire off the street and when you can not even afford to feed your kids you can not afford to take training either.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Aug. 6, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    Patriot

    You should take a peek at which states have the highest percentage of their population on welfare. Almost without exception, they are the red states of the South. Conservative states are more on the dole of government than any facet of American society. What's more, conservative states, almost without exception, receive more in federal monies than they pay in federal taxes while the opposite is true for liberal states. Nearly every conservative state, including Utah, are net debtors when it comes to federal tax dollars. Your entire state government is on welfare and has been for more than 30 years. CA and NY are not moving HQs to Texas, we're moving call centers, etc.... Texas doesn't have a sufficiently educated workforce to handle one major tech company, let alone an industry like that of Silicon Valley.

    Also, the US effective corporate tax rates are some of the lowest in the industrialized world so the 35% number is completely misleading. What fear do you have of telling the truth? Furthermore, it's ironic you mentioned Ireland - which has been the net beneficiary of US corporate inversion. Guess which side of the aisle promotes that? Conservatives.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Aug. 6, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    K's definition of The American Dream is right on. The biggest obstacle to it is high unemployment or under-employment.

    Recent graduates can't get a job because universities don't provide the skills and experience that good jobs frequently demand. The world has gotten too complex to fill job openings with someone with no applicable work experience.

    It is time to shed the liberal arts courses and replace them with in-depth, practical instruction. A worthy alternative is for companies to hire graduates at very low salaries and then provide in-house, on-the-job training to bring them up to speed.

    However, this ideal is frequently impractical because companies can't wait a year to get the job done. Their only alternative is to steal qualified personnel from other companies, which then opens a job that can only be filled by an experienced worker.

    We incur a grave risk by neglecting to provide opportunities for our young men and women just entering the work force.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 5:28 p.m.

    re:Shaun

    "The welfare state is a farce that republicans continually push"

    Fact 1: Food Stamps are at an ALL TIME HIGH for an American President under Barack Obama
    Fact 2: Disability benefit fraud is at an ALL TIME HIGH under Barack Obama
    Fact 3: The welfare payout per capita is at an ALL TIME HIGH under Barack Obama

    (yes Shaun - The welfare state)

    Also your suggestion that somehow "handouts" are the solution to getting throught the bad times is actually quite typical Socialist thinking. Let me offer another way - JOBS!!! Yes you know the jobs that would have and could have come from things such as The Key Stone Pipe Line and a mountain of other energy jobs just waiting ...waiting ....waiting... for a practical president to take his foot off the throat of American industry.

    By the if you have kids (or perhaps one day you will) would you rather they live in your basement til age 35 reaping all the free goodies from Ma and Pa like free room and board, free cell phone, free car and not even having to work for any of it? Why is that good for the nation then?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 6, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Hey Patriot -

    Yes, we're still feeling the horrible effects of all that Right Wing Republican mismanagement . . . But we have made big strides.

    Thankfully, the country a nation tottering on the brink of economic devastation . . . Like GW left it.

    And the stock market is BOOMING, which reflects massive confidence in our President.

    Things could definitely be better though, and if it were not for incessant "Conservative" obstructionism, things would be MUCH better.

    Thank God for the wisdom of President Obama and the Democrats.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Aug. 6, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    The American Dream isn't about money and stuff. The American dream is for the individual to work at an occupation of his or her chosing without depending on birth order or parental occupation.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 4:22 p.m.

    @patriot. I thought republicans take pride in personal responsibility yet you blame others. The welfare state is a farce that republicans continually push. In a recession the safety net will increase because that is how it is designed to work. It helps people get through the bad times.

    As far as welfare queens and the like that is a total myth.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    re:Blue

    1. Corporate taxes are at an all time low. Where did you dervice this nonsense from? Take off your MSNBC glasses for just a moment and ask yourself WHY companies are MOVING to Texas from California and NY and other progressive states. It is BECAUSE the corporate taxes are SO HIGH...and climbing!!! The 35% rate is THE highest amoung ALL democratic countries. Ireland for example is around 12%. Oh and your socialist king Obama wants to climb the rate even higher. STRIKE ONE!
    2. Kids are graduating to NO JOBS because there are NO JOBS - NO RECRUITERS on campus as in past decades. So where are all the job opportunities? Think for a moment about the VAST energy development and job opportunities (high paying high skill) just waiting in the wings....but again your socialist king has instructed the EPA to lock up all public lands for energy development. We can't even get the Keystone pipeline approved for pete sake!!! Even Hillary supports the Keystone!!! STRIKE TWO
    3. You said "the jobs that are available are increasingly low-wage jobs". Yes and add part-time to that as well and all compliments of OBAMACARE!!! STRIKE TRHEE

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    The left has turned the American Dream where you labor according to your ability, to the American Entitlement. Where everyone should be at the same level, regardless on how much effort you put into it.

  • Z South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    If you think that the American Dream is dead, all that you have to do is look at the thousands who still want to come here for a better opportunity to know it is still alive and well in the hearts of millions of people around the world. Perhaps you are just looking in the wrong place.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    The American Dream is different things for different people. That's a good thing. In some ways we're all the same, but in other's we're not. For instance, A CEO of a fortune 500 company sees the "American Dream" differently than a homeless drug addict. One just wants a home, something to eat, and security while they sleep. The other just wants a bigger home and more security guards to guard their stuff.

    Someone working in the fields in Mexico probably sees the "American Dream" differently than a person raised and educated in an American city.

    But we all want liberty, security, and the other unalienable rights guaranteed in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I think THAT... is what we should focus on (not money or property).

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    Albert Einstein said once, you live your life for life to have a life to live for. I guess the I'm wondering is, what is worth dieing for, when it's every man for themselves.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 6, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Obama and progressives did not "kill" the American dream. Corporate America did (just who exported good paying jobs overseas?). Along with a bunch of the earlier generation who wasted the ecological and financial patrimony on a bunch of goodies to give immediate benefit to that same generation.

    We lowered taxes under Reagan and succeeding Presidents, but did not cut spending, thereby incurring debt. We waste our land with inefficient and outdated coal and petroleum extraction for the benefit of cheap energy businesses. All because we don't want to pay for things as we go.

    So, a whole bunch of folks got a lot of benefits that they never paid for, and the next generations will have to pay for them. That goes for some wars too. We have despoiled the environment, which will take trillions for the next generations to restore.

    Conservatives bemoan financial misbehavior, except their own. They are the ones who ruined the American dream, and refuse to accept their complicity.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    "The American Dream is dead. Obama and his secular progressives have already had the funeral to their delight."

    Total baloney. The DJIA is in record high territory, as are corporate profits, corporate cash reserves, and corporate executive compensation packages. BTW, federal revenues derived from corporate taxes are at all-time _lows_.

    If you're feeling squeezed out of the "American Dream", it's because the jobs that are available are increasingly low-wage jobs, a higher education is rapidly becoming something only the wealthy can provide for their children, and even then a 26 year-old college graduate's chances at actually buying a home are remote when he feels fortunate to land a job that pays $40,000 per year, but still can't qualify for a mortgage, even for a condo.

    And your retirement? Good luck with that - your employer is constantly looking for ways to shed its pension obligations and finding legislators who are only too happy to help them do just that - for a price.

    Blaming President Obama for this situation is beyond laughable.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon,

    I agree with you. After all, 8 out of the 10 wealthiest counties in the USA are Democrat, so I see what you mean. Obama needs to stop destroying the middle class so that the American Dream can become a reality again.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    American Businessmen off-shored and out-sourced "The American Dream" to communists in Red China...

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    The American Dream is dead. Obama and his secular progressives have already had the funeral to their delight. Today Americans have to re-chart their course with lower expectations and opportunites. Look around you and what you see is the independent and self reliant America being replaced with the welfare state and when the welfare state is complete there will be NO home ownership or even private property except for the wealthy and the poltical elite. Take present day California as your model.

    what to teach your kids? I think the only thing you can do is to circle the wagons and perhaps have a family plan which will provide opportunites for your kids because the ability of the American nation to do it is history....sadly.

    "Ask NOT what you can do for your country but instead ask what your country can give you for free" Barack Obama in a nutshell...

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    I appreciate this article as I have often wondered what "the American dream" was and, yes, it did seem to mean having a lot of money. The originator of the phrase seemed to have in mind something more inclusive and noble: opportunity and personal development or, in other words, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I can concur with that.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    the other coment is so right on. the worst thing is housing is starting to be out of reach for a larger amount of the poulation, and aparments are just as much money.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    "I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know . . . how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and sufferings of the Revolution. And I am willing--perfectly willing to lat down all my joys in this life . . . to pay the debt."
    --Sullivan Ballot

    If more Americans honored this value, the dream would be a reality.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 6, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    The problem is this --

    America has transformed into everything the Old World Aristocrats had...

    A tiny, very wealthy, 1%, powerful, and privileged few --
    vs.
    a much larger, 99%, poorer, and harder working poor.

    The American Dream was the new MIDDLE Class,
    and
    that is rapidly disintegrating back into the back pages of 20th century history.