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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 6 2014 11:31 p.m. MDT

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sherlock holmes
Eastern, UT

This year could be another walk in the farm fields for Judge. As usual, they will prepare by playing and winning most of their preseason games against SLC schools, then trot out to the rural schools and win more.

Judge is an exceptional school. Not so sure they belong in the rural school 3a division.

KG
South Jordan, UT

Sherlock said it. I find it difficult to understand how Judge is classified as 4A for other sports, but in the smaller 3A classification for football. Makes no sense. That said, they were clearly the best team playing in 3A last year.

Utah/NotreDameFan
Salt Lake City, UT

During the last re-alignment, Judge was originally classified as 3A in all sports, but it voluntarily asked to move up to 4A in all other sports to try to save travel costs. The UHSAA allowed the change to try to help the school save costs. In 4A sports Judge routinely plays schools that are much larger, sometimes twice as large, but that are a lot closer geographically.

CMO Beaver
Beaver, UT

yes, Judge requested 4A to save money in the other sports.. the school enrollment 10-12 is not large and football at 4A would have been a beat down so they stayed down in their given class.. they do not routinely beat SLC schools in football, so some folks need to do their fact checking.

the whole 3AA 3A thing is a joke anyway.. expand 1A and 2A and make 3A a valid 24 team deal

KG
South Jordan, UT

So if they wanted to cut travel costs, why not do the same for football? 3AA would have cut those costs, or 4A. Instead, the waltz through 3A. And comparing enrollment of a private school against rural public schools is hardly apples to apples.

KG
South Jordan, UT

That said, the 3A-3AA thing is a joke...

My thoughts, worth about 2 cents, are that schools benefiting from open enrollment and private schools should not be classified with rural schools that do not have those same advantages. Alignment is a difficult task, but giving some schools advantages with these policies is ridiculous.

Utah/NotreDameFan
Salt Lake City, UT

If being a private "open enrollment" school (and asking your students to pay thousands in tuition each year) is such a huge advantage, why don't those types of schools win the football championship every year? Prior to winning in 2013, Judge (which has always been in the 3A classification) had not won a state football championship in 30 years. Private schools do win championships from time-to-time, but not so often that it seems their status brings them an inherent advantage in athletics. Perhaps when they do win, we should just says "congrats" like we do to every other school and then just hope that our team does better next year.

CMO Beaver
Beaver, UT

@ KG

they probably could have been 3AA, they were probably the last cut.. even if you did the 1.5 x enrollment for private schools on their 10-12 enrollment, I doubt they would have hit the numbers to be 4A... and frankly, kids are not signing up their in droves just to play sports.

if you want to see real recruiting then check out some of the 4A and 5A programs.. they would put the U to shame

KG
South Jordan, UT

I may have been unclear... private schools and open enrollment are to separate, but related issues. Public schools have the option for open enrollment, and private schools can recruit/draw from anywhere. Rural schools don't benefit from that, i.e., Manti, Delta, Richfield and others can't draw from surrounding communities because there are no surrounding communities within reasonable driving distance.

Look at Juan Diego for your private school dominance of football and baseball, and Wasatch Academy for basketball dominance. Judge has had its years of dominance as well. Kids are recruited to Wasatch Academy, Judge and JD for sports. I know because they and their parents have told me so. Saying anything otherwise is kidding yourself. Pitting those schools against rural schools produces a watered down championship, in my opinion. It doesn't take droves of kids signing up to play sports to make it a competitive advantage, especially in small classifications. All it takes is a handful.

KG
South Jordan, UT

With regard to 4A and 5A recruiting, it happens without a doubt. But the difference there is all of those schools can recruit and benefit from open enrollment. The disparity comes when urban public schools and private schools, who benefit from open enrollment and recruiting in general, are competing against rural public schools who have no way of recruiting or benefiting from open enrollment.

JM Fan
Murray, UT

Judge by nature of its business model recruits. It is a business. Come to Judge and pay $9,000 for an education. The most recent principal was a stern objector to offering tuition dollars to athletes. Did not do it.

3A is dumb. 12 teams? Should be combined with 3AA. UHSAA is clueless. No matter. They will change it again, soon.

sherlock holmes
Eastern, UT

The high tuition costs for a private school do NOT drive away the athlete or his/her parents. Scholarships abound in the private high school world, and they are generously given to athletes and non-athletes.

It is not a bad thing. Far from it. It is the way it is.

KG
South Jordan, UT

I agree, scholarships for private schools are a good thing. Helping kids get a quality education is a great thing. But we ought not turn a blind eye to the advantages it gives in athletics. Keep the scholarships coming, but let the teams compete on a level playing field.

HighSchoolSportsFan03
Grantsville, UT

Juan Diego is 49-1 in region play throughout the years. 11 region titles in a row. A Private school who gets to control their enrollment and stay 3A, while getting athletes across the salt lake valley, is making the competition really unfair to these other 3A schools.

sinkme
Salt Lake, UT

As JM Fan stated, I can assure you that there aren't any students at Judge on Scholarship because of their athletic ability. What has Judge won as of late? Football last year (first time in 30). Girl's tennis in 2012. Boys Soccer in 2010. Boys Basketball in 2008. Maybe I am missing some others. But hardly Mater Dei, Bishop Gorman or even Juan Diego for that matter. For the record, Judge tried to move up in Football too. If you recall, these classification changes were made because of safety concerns for football. Judge went where they were told. I am sure they will be moved up next year.

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