Just fyi, The information about what the NCAA considers a
"booster" comes from directly from NCAA compliance instructions to
boosters posted on Notre Dame's official website.I'm
confident that Notre Dame thoroughly vetted those instructions before posting
utahcountyuteNope, you need to dig a little deeper in your
"research".Get back to us when you've figured out who
the real competition was.
So you're telling me that the competition to get this kid was against North
Texas, SDSU and Toledo?! lol
I love how everyone is suddenly an expert on recruiting rules and violations.
And to think. TV exposure, and independence is drawing great players. Go Cougs!
Utah has an Oklahoma reject who is equal to their current
quarterback. Doesn't speak well for any bowl games this year.
Anybody who thinks that former players at every school, including Utah,
don't regularly talk to recruits is only fooling themselves.That's why the NCAA has carefully defined what they consider to be a
"booster", to distinguish boosters from alumni and former players.
timid sparrow,as skywalker has pointed out, it really would have
helped for you to know what you're talking about before commenting. Now
you're looking well, like a ute. Wrong again!
timid sparrowAn alumni is not necessarily a booster, which the NCAA
defines roughly as an individual, agency, entity or organization who is known by
an institution to:-Have participated in or been a member of an
agency that promotes the institution's intercollegiate athletics program-Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or a booster
organization for the department -Have been involved otherwise in promoting
the institution's athletics program-Have been a season ticket
holder-Have provided benefits to student-athletes or their relatives or
friendsIn other words, alumni are not prohibited from talking to
recruits unless they are considered boosters of an institution's athletics
program.Simply telling a recruit about your experiences as a non-LDS
athlete at BYU would not be an NCAA recruiting violation.
BeSmart:No worries! Football just can't get here soon enough!
Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CA"Um, you do know that a school
asking former players contact recruits is a recruiting violation, right? DN may
want to take this article down."Um, probably not; there are some
criteria that may not have been met. And if all criteria are met the Cougars
can self-report (another use for "selfie"?) a minor violation. If this
were to occur the NCAA may require Holliday to donate one week's lunch
money to Whittingham's retirement party in early December.
@ Vegas UteI used ESPN so if they have other offers on other websites I
was wrong and apologize.
NC FROGS 2010Gilbert, AZ"Utah is to the Pac12 as Indiana
is to the B1G..."Except Indiana (under Lee Corso) played in the
Jan. 1, 1968 Rose Bowl, something the Utes will never do.Go UCLA!
Welcome aboard Akile; if Margin saw enough potential in you to want you to be a
part of BYU's football program, that should be endorsement enough for
anybody.Nice try christy, but Akile Davis was offered by Indiana and
Maryland, but he was also recruited by Kansas, LSU, and Oklahoma St.
BeSmart:"Out of the 9 Utah commits only 2 players have offers
from other schools."I don't know where you do your
research, but there are five recruits with other offers that include Washington
State, Oregon State and Colorado, among P5 schools, along with Boise State,
Houston, Yale, etc. One has Wisconsin hot on his tail. Of the four that
don't have other offers yet, one is a Utah legacy, one is a three star
kicker (one of the top rated kickers in the country), one committed to Utah out
of high school and has recommitted out of Snow college as a three star
6'7" OL, and one is the ninth highest ranked player in the state of
Arizona with 19 other schools looking at him, including byU.I hope
Davis works out well for you, it sounds like he is a good catch.
This isn't Nam; this is football.... There are rules.C'mon
little Robin,Unless Hooks meets the definition of a booster(and no,
not all former players are automatically boosters) then this is no violation.This is another case of a Utah "fan" talking first and thinking
later(or not at all)
Utah is to the Pac12 as Indiana is to the B1G...
Question on recruiting...which I admittedly know little about. In the business
world references are a standard part of how things go. I provide a list of
references to my prospect. I always check with my references before providing
their contact information. Is this not allowed in recruiting? BYU coaches
couldn't reach out to a former player asking if they would field a call
from a recruit, then give the former player's contact information to the
recruit and leave it up to the recruit to call? That would seem to me to be how
this all works, and it is just the article that would seem to have left out a
couple of the details of how it actually happened.
Until the full factual background is revealed, all speculation about recruiting
violations is on shaky ground at best. Bronco has 10 years of experience as a
head coach and obviously knows the rules, plus seems to be smart enough not to
allow anything so blatant. We don't know who initiated the call, and I
would not expect that a coach giving a recruit the names of former players the
recruit might relate well to would violate any rules. I doubt a suggestion that
the recruit contact some of the people on the list would violate any rules,
I'm a huge BYU fan and former athlete, and Brave Sir Robin is correct: This
article sounds an awful lot like a recruiting violation. Margin would only be
able to talk with Akile if Akile initiated the contact. It seems unlikely that
BYU coaches would know in advance that a recruit with an admittedly waning
interest would go to the trouble to contact a former BYU player for advice, and
that they would know exactly which player would be contacted. Maybe that's
exactly how it went down, but there's no evidence of innocent chronology in
the article. A little clarification, Mr. Gurney?
re:flatlander Why do you think newspapers have headlines? To get someone to
read the article. The majority of headlines aren't accurate or have much
to do with the body of the story. The DNews is no different in this regard than
other newspapers. Their existence depends on circulation and circulation
depends on luring readers to pick it up and comment. Looks like they succeeded
on both counts.
Sounds like a good kid with lots of potential. However, I think he may be in
for a cultural shockeroo. Hope it all works out for him.
@BeSmartRead the article again. It says "Hooks was contacted by
the Cougar coaching staff after Davis flat out told them his concern of not
fitting in at BYU as a non-LDS minority athlete. Cougar coaches, in turn,
contacted the former BYU great, asking him to share his own experiences in Provo
as a minority athlete.Hooks delivered."Sounds like
Hooks contacted the recruit (not the other way around) and did it at the behest
of the coaching staff. That's a clear NCAA violation. I'm surprised
this article is still posted.
Where do headlines come from? I briefly remember Hooks playing but believe he
never made an NFL team. Not knocking his college play but story was about
former player helping recruit someone so does headline try to sensationalize
story to get someone to read it?
@ Chris BYup Indiana, a Big 10 School. Kid can flat out fly, hoping
he's got good hand and can bulk up a bit. Need's to add about 15
pounds of muscle.
@ Brave Sir RobinFrom NCAAA booster (Alumni) may receive calls from
prospective student-athletes only if the prospect initiates the call and no
recruitment takes place during the conversation. Limit only information to the
university in general.Sounds like Hooks described the university.Most recruits call former athletes from that university.I know I did to
see how people really liked it instead of believing everything the coaches say.
Um, you do know that a school asking former players contact recruits is a
recruiting violation, right? DN may want to take this article down.
Good pick-up for the cougars.According to the recruiting outlets he also
had an offer from Maryland.CBOut of the 9 Utah commits only 2
players have offers from other schools.They are: Wyoming, Eastern
Washington, Houston, Indiana, and McNeese State. (WOW 1 P5 school this recruit
had 2 himself)Way to early in the recruiting process to be taking shots at
Welcome to the Y Alkie ! We love players that want to commit instead of decommit
which is exactly what has become an ongoing problem with the school up
Well, I'll be consistent and say yes I guess power 5 program wanted him.
You guys beat out Indiana and Toledo for this recruit!
Ernest, you just make the argument that much easier for us BYU fans. BYU
consistently does more with less than nearly any other program in the country.
Recruiting (generally) predominantly LDS kids, players who take two years off
from missions, and occasionally get that 4 or 5 "star" recruit. And year
after year we are playing in bowl games and (besides last year) have done very
well in bowl games under the Mendenhall era.BYU does more with less
on a consistent basis.
That takes some guts to commit and he has never set foot on the campus.I think hw will be pleasantly surprised when he gets here.
Love you Ernest!Akile is a two or three star player, depending on
which service you look at. But, he seems to be wise for his age and BYU is often
able to help players get better than they seem. As long as players not only
understand, but look forward to the commitment, I think they will do well.Welcome to BYU, Akile, and I hope you have a great time and do well both
on and off the field!
Yes! Another 5 stars!