People saying that LDS members "should have been offended" is borderline
hypocritical. I'm LDS and we teach in our classes that being offended is a
choice. We talk about how members no longer wishing to attend church should have
chosen not to take offense. We talk about how our attitude is determined by us
along and being offended is a choice. Choosing to be offended is almost never
productive and almost always causes more unrest.The athletes
involved meant no harm, so why should I choose to be offended? How will that
help us as a church bring others to Christ rather than push them away?
Let's practice what we preach. We talk forgiveness, we talk tolerance, etc,
why does that go away when it comes to the rivalry?
One of the biggest weaknesses on last year's defense was a lack of
interceptions. One of the reasons Blechen earned Freshman All American honors
was the number of interceptions he pulled down his Freshman year. Let's
hope he can regain that form and maybe even improve on it this year. Nice to
have him back. He was fun to watch as a Freshman so I hope he's even more
fun to watch as a senior.
Both Utes and Cougars...give it a rest. None of you are going to convince your
opponents of the errors of their ways.Can't wait to see them on
the field.Go Bruins!
We can go back and forth on separate, anecdotal incidents as much as you'd
like and we'd still have very similar fan bases. When a faux pas is leaked
to the public, apologize, especially when you officially represent your
university. This unless they meant the disrespect the way it was portrayed.
BlueNtheFaceAnd I'd take what the fans did to the Hall family
over the BYU fan who attacked the Utah cheerleader and the fan who hit Jamie
Whittingham in the face. You're absolutely right: know when you're
going too far.
BlueNtheFace:8 pieces of paper? You just lost any credibility you
@ BlueNtheFaceWhat would Utah players have to apologize for?
Blechen was baptized in the cold tub during fall camp last year in the name of
"Lets get it." It's somewhat of an unofficial team motto, and it
was never meant to be disrespectful. Max said that Arizona fans did
the exact same thing to his family in 2008 after the Vegas Bowl. If Max's
family really had beer poured on them two games in a row, by two different fan
bases, maybe they deserved it? Either that or Max wasn't telling the
truth. Also, Max's family only had to "endure" one game at RES.Why would Wilson get suspended? It seems to be a consensus by both BYU
and Utah fans that Wilson's MIP ticket is a minor incident.
The difference here in the players' behavior (Max vs the Baptists) is that
Max apologized the next day. Have we heard an apology from the Ute players ever?
Also, the Max Hall incident brings up another issue: fan behavior.
BYU fans don't have a corner on sportsmanship, but I'll take the 8
paper items thrown at the PAC-12 affiliated refs (crappy ones at that) over what
Hall's family had to endure at RES for 2 years. Sheesh, know when
you're going to far.P.S. Wilson did NOT get a suspension??Go BYU!
Utah RulesInsinuating that the U doesn't care about enforcing
the law and is a lawless institution reflects on the fan base. Just because
Travis wasn't suspended doesn't mean corrective measures weren't
taken. Let's quit acting like Wilson committed murder. Should we also
report every parking citation or speeding ticket a player gets?
PowertrapI wasn't offended at all by Max's childish rant.
Quite frankly, I thought it was hilarious. Helped sweeten the pill after a
heartbreaking loss. I was just surprised to hear such immature remarks from an
Good On You Red Thunder.Got a bunch of stuffy Blue folk who like to
dredge up unimportant ancient history.That's on them.Up on The Hill we're as free as we want to be. And
thankfully, it shall ever be so!It's sooooo great to be a Ute!!
This guy used to be good enough to probably play on the next level. Injuries
and poor decision making have taken their toll on him.
Red Thunder,Good to hear that breaking the law is not important.
I've had had it wrong for years. My bad.Like I said, my how things
have changed since my days at the U.Please clarify your comment about
profiling an ENTIRE fan base. I see no mention of the entire fan base but thanks
for making up stuff. It is just a few and now we know who they are.
"others are offended when . . . To each his own."65Toss:So you were offended a year ago when it happened, but why are you
offended now when the DNews regurgitates it? If the DNews were to
run a reminder story on Max Hall's very public and scurrilous rant (which
I'm not ruling out if BYU ever beats Utah again), it wouldn't be Max
that offends me anew. It would be the blatant panderers with "editor"
desk plates and blue pom-pons.
What can I say - some people are offended by what is said by rival players
(Austin Collie, Max Hall, et al) and others are offended when their religious
rites are mocked. To each his own.
Glad we have the DNews (with help from 65toss and UtahRules) to again confess
Blechen's year-old sins, such as they are.How about providing
some in-depth reporting on the investigation into NCAA violations at BYU? That
topic seems to be radioactive for DNews sports reporters.
@ WhyAmIhere?...I know. It was a joke.
Utah RulesThey're non issues because they are unimportant.
I'm more than pleased that the worst news coming from the Hill is an
underrage drinking and a mock baptism. DNews has successfully made both bigger
deals than they need to be. Yes, both actions weren't very well thought out
but on both occasions Coach Whittingham took the actions he deemed necessary.
The mock baptism was performed by athletes who are baptized members of the LDS
church. They knew what they were doing and the sacred nature. That's on
them. They're kids, they don't need to be publicly criticized for
every mistake they make.As far as both comments you and PowerTrap
made; how brazen of you to profile an entire fan base. Very Max Hall-ish of both
@65TossPowerTrapI bet that you think that political correctness is also a
big problem in this country right? Unless we're talking about things that
matter to you of course.
Some kids just like the attention and can't exist without it. The same is
also true of a few ute fans who post post outlandish comments on these articles.
You know who you are. The best way ot get attention is to perform onthe field
and not the newspapers.
Vegas ute,Not so. It would be offensive to faithful LDS throughout the
world, and should have been offensive to LDS Ute fans as well, unless of course
winning football games is more important.
Sure seem to be a lot of "NON ISSUES" on the hill. I guess poking fun
at a sacred ordinance and underage drinking are not longer considered in
appropriate on the hill. My how things have changed since my years at the U.
Utah fans - the mock baptism was just that - mockery. Maybe baptism isn't
a big deal to you, but it is a sacred ordinance to others.
It is ridiculous how much time and effort has been wasted on the baptism thing,
which was TOTALLY "innocuous" to everyone except for Utah County and the
DN. I can't believe it was even brought up again by Bradley. On second
thought, seeing that it was Bradley that brought it up, yes I can believe it!Let's go Blechen! Ditch the beard though, unless your aim is to
make it Weddle status!Go Utes!!
The [mock baptism] timing coincided perfectly with the annual rivalry game.
Coach Kyle Whittingham, himself an active LDS member, claimed there was no
malice, as did LDS player Jake Murphy. Still, it put off some LDS members,
particularly those of BYU persuasion.-----------I was
more put off by some LDS members, particularly those of BYU persuasion when they
were shown pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage after yet another loss to Utah
at LES.The mock baptism? Again, a non-issue.
That "baptism incident" was such a joke. It's hilarious how people
actually got so worked up about it.
I love that Brad Rock omits the fact that the mock baptism was performed well
before the Holy War. The team hadn't even kicked off the season when that
incident occured. The last thing the Utes were thinking about was the Cougars,
the team needed to first avenge it's loss to the Aggies and commence
conference play. The baptism topic was again brought up during rivalry
week to stoke the fires of hate among the fans even though the players involved
said it was not meant as a jab at BYU.
I hope he doesn't get distracted in Boulder. That is an important game.
@Two For FlinchingNeither Kyle Whittingham or any of the other Ute
Coaching Staff wastes their time reading, let alone posting to these comment
The kids always had talent. He biggest problem is knowing how to focus that
talent to showcase it at the right moments and in the right ways. Good luck Blechen!
A couple of years ago I would have said that playing in the NFL was a realistic
consideration for Blechen. Now as a Ute fan, I just hope he can stay healthy and
keep his head on straight. With a remarkable turn around, the guy still might
have enough left in the tank to be an impact player for the Utes defense this
year. The talent has been there from day one. Blechen's freshman year was
@ BlutoYou don't know that. He could be Kyle Whittingham or
Travis Wilson, and we would never know.
Let go Blechen!7 wins - we're going to do it.Go