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Published: Tuesday, Aug. 5 2014 4:55 a.m. MDT

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jskains
Orem, UT

These are private businesses owned by citizens, not government institutions. If you don't like their policcies, don't eat there. Don't run to mommy government to fight your battles. Or better yet, just eat there and get over it. Are employee discounts discrimination? What about a restaraunt owner who gives a discount to his friend? That's so unfair! *siigh*

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

jskains,

I agree. These are private businesses with their own rules. If they want to give discounts to Muslims only they can. If they want to refuse service for whatever reason they should be allowed to. This way guys like me can see what their true intentions are and decide weather or not they want to eat there.

cocosweet
Sandy, UT

While I rather agree with FatherofFour, if "mommy" government (jskains) hadn't intervened in the South there would still be white and black water fountains (ect). The government is there to protect the rights of individuals from bigotry, ignorance and hate.

David Mohr
Victoria/BC/Canada, 00

I have always felt discriminated against when seniors got discounts and when military got discounts. Does that count also? This world is so caught up in "ME" that it is becoming disgusting how we cannot allow anyone to express their appreciation of anyone without some one else complaining that you didn't recognize me. If I am in a town without restaurants and open a Chinese restaurant, are you going to complain that I only serve Chinese food?

I was always taught to vote with my feet - if you don't like the policy of a place of business then don't patronize the business.

jskains
Orem, UT

@cocosweet There are too many assumptions for your statement to be absolutely true. It was "mommy" government who created the problems in the first place. It was "mommy" government that wrote the Jim Crow laws. So perhaps if government had stayed out of it in the first place, we'd be a lot further along in the race relations area than we are now. Often "bigotry" and "ignorance" work themselves out naturally in a much faster way than government playing social engineer.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

By the same token, would it OK to charge 15% more to those who pray? or those who pray to the wrong god?

Good publicity stunt, the right will eat this up.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"These are private businesses owned by citizens, not government institutions. If you don't like their policcies, don't eat there. Don't run to mommy government to fight your battles."

I agree. I always thought the same thing concerning restaurants that served alcohol or allowed smoking. The free market would sort this out.

MaxPower
Eagle Mountain, UT

I don't think I like where this is heading.

If I can give a discount for a religious family...can I

1) Charge more to a black family?
2) Charge more to a gay couple?
3) Charge more to a known and professed Athiest?

A family, couple, or person should be able to go to any restaurant in the public square and be able to eat without fear of mistreatment by the establisment. Obvious exceptions would be if they were being a nuisance, didn't meet a certain dress code that had already been clearly established...etc.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . would it OK to charge 15% more to those who pray?"

It would certainly be OK by liberals, libertines, and atheists. But, at the same time, anyone that had the temerity to favor honest, decent folks would immediately become a target of the political and moral left.

illuminated
St George, UT

"By the same token, would it OK to charge 15% more to those who pray?"

Absolutely. If someone wants to charge me more for praying in their restaurant, as long as they are informing me first, I have no problem with that. But I would never eat there again, and I am sure they would go out of business very quickly.

Are you against freedom? The restaurant is -their property-, not yours, they have a right to be morons. If someone walked into your home and started praying and you asked them to stop, would you be against allowing the government to force you to allow them to pray on your property?

"The government is there to protect the rights of individuals from bigotry, ignorance and hate."

No they're not. Bigotry and hate is a personal right. I have a right to hate or love any group I want. Disagree with me all you want, but it's not the government's job to force me to love. If a white man wants to close his restaurant to a black man, that should be his choice. -His choice to be stupid-.

Why do you hate freedom?

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@David Mohr
"If I am in a town without restaurants and open a Chinese restaurant, are you going to complain that I only serve Chinese food?"

No, the issue is treating different customers differently, in this case you're serving Chinese food to everyone.

Also I like Chinese food so there wouldn't be any complaints from me anyway.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal
"It would certainly be OK by liberals, libertines, and atheists."

You do realize that we're advocating for everyone to be treated the same, right? Nobody actually is saying to charge people who pray more, it's being used as an example of "would you all still approve of disparate treatment if you were disadvantaged".

" But, at the same time, anyone that had the temerity to favor honest, decent folks "

All you know is that someone is praying. That does nothing to tell us whether they're honest, decent folks or if someone who isn't praying isn't honest or decent. There's honest, decent religious and non-religious folks and dishonest and indecent religious and non-religious folks.

@illuminated
Your brand of freedom seems quite harmful to any sort of minority (black, gay, LDS, Muslim). Are you a straight white male Christian? I'm just wondering how privileged you'd be in your hypothetical.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Freedom includes the freedom to please some people and (deliberately or inadvertently) offending others. You can win or lose customers any way you want. Unlike government entities, no one is forced to eat at a private restaurant, and the entirely justifiable restrictions on government discrimination rightly do not apply to private enterprise in a free society.

Anyone offended by religious discounts should be free to open a competing restaurant with atheist discounts. Heck, offer double discounts for Satanic worshipers if you like.

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal outcomes, including in the restaurant business.

What we are really seeing is the ongoing "war on religion" waged by the left who want everyone to only worship at the altar of government, and to be blessed only by "free stuff" from the government.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

It's non of the governments business if people pray at a restaurant. And if that company gives a discount for it.

Businesses give discounts to rich people that make a lot of purchases. That could be discriminatory to those of us who don't have the same purchasing power.

We give discounts to people for being poor via welfare food stamps, utilities subsidies, education etc.

Why not focus on tax breaks? The ones that make the wealthy, wealthier such as the obamas, Clintons, pelosis, kerrys, carter etc. Why not get rid of the tax breaks for those in unions? Why should they get to put money into political parties tax free, simply by belonging to a union? Why do they get to use pretax dollars to pay their union dues? How is that fair for those who don't belong to a union?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

How is this news? Ever heard of stake Lagoon day? Mormon night (Colorado Rockies)? This kind of stuff happens all over the country, all the time. I personally don't like it, but it's legal, and if it's legal for one private business it should be legal for all of them.

SLCMom
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: "The government is there to protect the rights of individuals from bigotry, ignorance and hate." (Cocosweet) - If this is true, then the government must ALSO protect the restaurateur who is experiencing bigotry, ignorance and hate for her simple gesture of kindness as she follows the 'dictates of her own conscience'. Whether one agrees or disagrees with her discount, she is still operating her business legally. Consider: Does she not have the right to run her business the way she chooses within the parameters of the law? YES. Of course, there are plenty of lawmakers who are working hard to tear down religious freedom and personal rights under the guise of "promoting equality".
Bottom line: Discounts at any business are at the discretion of that business. The right of a business to "refuse service" to anyone they choose is ALSO their legal prerogative. And of course, the right of the customer to refuse to shop there is ALSO in force. Let the free market reign.

ExTBird
Springville, US-UT

Even as a liberal atheist I don't see the problem here. If they want to offer discounts for praying then let them. As a business owner I respect the right to do business how a owner sees fit. Denying service because of skin color, being gay, religious beliefs etc is wrong. This is not the same thing.

If I want to give my friends a 30% discount on all purchases in my stores then I will. It isn't illegal, or unethical to do so. Denial of service, or unfairly charging more is not the same thing as giving bonuses for behavior you approve of.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Ok liberals, lets see you practice what you preach. If you go anywhere that offers a Senior discount, you should demand to pay the regular price. You don't want to be a hypocrite for supporting and using age discrimination to save yourself a few dollars.

You should also go out and complain about businesses that give firemen, policemen, and military discounts. What about frequent shopper discounts, why should they get a discount or free meal just because they go to that place a lot?

illuminated
St George, UT

@Frozen Fractals

"Your brand of freedom..."

That kind of talk brings back haunting images of speeches by Totalitarian dictators, Kings and Tyrants. There is no "brand" of freedom, you're either free or not free. Discrimination is part of freedom, being able to choose who I associate with, who I do business with, and who I give my money to is part of being free. As long as I'm not physically harming someone, true freedom encapsulates everything else I do.

Businesses often donate to causes they believe in all the time. These "causes" include boy scouts, churches, charities, local municipal events and so on. If a local Asian restaurant wanted to give discounts or even give donations to people praying to Buddha before they ate, I have no problem with that. Let them be free. If a business hates black people, picket and boycott the crap out of them, but don't force them to agree with you by government fiat. That's how the Constitution was set up.

a_voice_of_reason
Woods Cross, UT

Seriously? People have an issue with this? I guess I should be fighting for equal treatment myself! Why should senior citizens get discounts that I can't just because I'm older. And what of these military or police or fire fighter discounts - what about us accountants? Or student discounts - should I be mistreated just because I graduated? I could go on and on about the "injustices" in this cruel world!

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