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  • BeatenOlive Houston, TX
    Oct. 26, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    It's extremely simple if you Know Jesus and his holy word. Amos 3.3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

    The truth is that the antichrists rule AmeriKa and there's very little TRUE Bible Following Christians left, a true remnant of a remnant of a remnant et al, left.

    Darkness has clothed her putrid self in the cloak of light to deceive the world, it's time to take a moment of pure reflection on truth in your personal thinking yeah decision process.

    Do you really love truth?
    Can you really judge rightly?
    Are you guilty of not considering the WHOLE TRUTH as you've uncovered in any research & reflection?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    Why should we address this as a religious issue? Are we just jihadists of a different flavour? People are being persecuted, tortured and killed in a war zone. Whatever response we implement to these atrocities can and should be a matter of record of our humanity. We don't need to cloud the situation with more religious nonsense.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Aug. 5, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    This has a familiar ring to it. Wasn't it President Van Buren who said "Your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you"? It would seem that the cost of interference in this persecution is more than we can afford. Our armed forces are exhausted and our will to fight is depleted.

    During America's early history, we had to watch on the margins while suffering and grave atrocities were committed against the innocent. Even in recent history, there is limited action we could take in Bosnia, Ruwanda, etc. This time, the violence was largely initiated because of our meddling. Now that we've surrendered in the Middle East, we will just have to live with the consciousness of our inadequacy in face of these horrors.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    Aug. 5, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil: "Just maybe because the west has grown tired of wars based on religion."

    We in the west no longer fight over religion.

    Now we fight for oil company profits, for arms dealer profits, and to install central banks in countries that don't have one.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    Wouldn't this be in violation os our Constitution on 2 counts.

    Picking and choosing a certain "religion".
    Do what? Troops on the ground? Another "war"? A Christian Jihad? Middle Aged Crusade?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 5, 2014 4:22 p.m.

    "because the west has abandoned its christian heritage and has embraced hedonism and self gratification over all else"

    Just maybe because the west has grown tired of wars based on religion. For well over 1,000 years, Europe had been ravaged by wars based on defending religious beliefs. It may be that the "west" has just grown up, and figured out that killing people is not the best way to salvation... and that the middle east needs to grow up too.

    This Christians vs Muslims thing has been going of for far too long. The US is a shinning example of how you can be of different beliefs, and still live and prosper together. I am not sure going back and reigniting the crusades is the solution to this problem.

    It surely hasn't worked for Israel, and they vastly out power their enemy.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    Some of the previous comments are astounding in their callousness. Would any civil person or society rationalize the persecution of Middle East Christians (or any other group of innocents) because of any event, contemporary or historical? Definitely not. The US may have limited options, but a strong UN protest that raises the level of awareness is the least that should be done and sanctions that are more punitive should also be considered.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 5, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    Hey Lost -

    ". . . you talk of a failure and how we should have done something else . . . "

    Right. When Republicans gain power they leave us with a lot of failures to talk about.

    The solution?

    Don't let Republicans have power.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    why has the west (NOT just the US and BO) done more?

    because the west has abandoned its christian heritage and has embraced hedonism and self gratification over all else

    GaryO
    you talk of a failure and how we should have done something else - so why did you vote for BO a second time?

  • ThornBirds St.George, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    What are the words for "Cannot Police the world" in the language of Religion?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 5, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    “Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?"


    Is there a mdoern precedent for that?

    That’s right, there is . . . Reagan sent several hundred Marines in to Lebanon as part of a multinational force to deal with the Lebanese civil war where Christians were being oppressed and killed.

    What was the result of that? . . . Oh Now I remember. Over 200 US Marines were murdered in their sleep when their barracks was bombed.

    But it was worth it, wasn’t it? . . . Because Christians are no longer being oppressed and killed in the Middle East . . . Right?

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Aug. 5, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    LDS Liberal

    "Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to Muslim Americans: "Convert to Christianity, leave, or die,"...

    I would like to hear one true instance of that happening. But somehow you put everything in absolutes. If they are not liberal authoritarians, they are evil. But if someone who doesn't identify as a liberal is good in your mind they are automatically evil. Sounds like facism to me.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    Our intervention in the Middle East, from overthrowing a democratic government in Iran in 1953, to Bush's destruction of Iraq in 2003 and forward, did more to harm Christians than you can imagine.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 5, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    The ironical thing is Iraq under a tyrant dictator had religious freedom. Without that heavy hand, deep seeded prejudices and greed surfaced unchecked. We opened that can.... now we don't like what we have found. The only option that would have kept this simmering pot of century old resentment from boiling over would have been an endless occupation by our troops at the cost of not just billions of dollars - but thousands of American lives. I am puzzled by those who are upset we pulled out - are they saying we needed to have an endless occupation? It is the most unrealistic of propositions.

    As mentioned, the ultimate solution is to decrease the worlds dependence on the resources these groups are fighting over. Finding alternatives to middle east oil - regardless of form - will liberate the decision making process on how to deal with these types of situations. Christian's liberties are being sold off for cheap oil... and the only way to fix the problem is to change that equation.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    Aug. 5, 2014 6:58 a.m.

    Because too many American Christians believe that persecution is the "war on Christmas" and gays getting married and wealthy reality TV stars being booted off shows. They think fighting persecution includes buying tacky camo religious gear at Wally-world and demanding local stores us "Christmas" in their advertising.

    Oh and Obama. Him, simply being in office, is persecution.

    Their answer to the very real horrors in this article? Blame Obama and demand more war with vague goals.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 5:38 p.m.

    Re: "Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?"

    The simple answer is -- because there's nothing in it politically for American liberals.

    If there were, we'd be wading in -- a la Bill Clinton -- and solving the problem. But, since liberals cynically believe their best chance in upcoming elections is to be anti-war, that's where they'll go.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 4, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    Hey Patriot -

    " Barack is a "devout Christian"...that could care less about protecting Christians."

    So what do you suggest?

    Re-launch the crusades? That was a Dark-Ages thing, wasn't it?

    And if let "Conservative" Republicans have their way, we will most likely have another world-wide Dark Age.

    The lesson to learn here? NEVER let Republicans have their way.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Aug. 4, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    @jsf,

    "cut any economic funding to Syrian Rebels, Muslim Brotherhood "

    Now wait a minute. Obama did not want to providing funding and assistance to Syrian rebels and was criticized to no end by Senate Republicans and Democrats alike and we have cut back funding to Egypt as well. You can't have it both ways.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?’
    ...feeding children in South America?’
    ...vaccinating people in Africa?’
    ...liberating oppressed in Ukraine?'
    ...protecting work-class in America?’

    I suppose it has more to do with PROFITS and the almighty $dollar,
    than it has to do with humanitarian relief.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    First my_two_cents_worth, cut any economic funding to Syrian Rebels, Muslim Brotherhood associated groups, the PLO. admit lack of foreign policies by current administration and problems of past administration. Provide refugee status for the groups being forced out. Adopt a policy of destruction for ISIS.

    Hiding our heads in the sand and continue funding them will not stop them.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Aug. 4, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    @jsf, Brio, Wonder, & patriot

    And just what do you propose we do?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    ...because we have a president that cares more about Muslims than the Christians that they are murdering. If I am a middle east Christian I would expect NO help or support from the US. But forgive me I forgot Barack is a "devout Christian"...that could care less about protecting Christians. Go figure.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    The West needs to do more to help the Christians in these countries. Their persecution is real and their suffering is heartbreaking. I'm hopeful with the increased attention to the problem recently that the Western countries will do more.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    @ Irony Guy:

    You should keep in mind that we are discussing a current, real-world situation and not intended as a discussion in ancient history.

    I truly believe that with any other administration in office, our official response would be different. Obama grew up being indoctrinated on the rantings of the "reverend" Jeremiah Wright, who usually condemns both traditional America and traditional Christianity. Hence, Obama's lack of support for these traditional Christians in that part of the world. After all, he concedes the Muslim prayer-song is "the most beautiful sound" he's ever heard.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    We've given up over $5 trillion dollars and 7,000 American lives.

    How much is enough?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    The Middle East is transfixed by the West. Can they simultaneous denounce the West for the ‘modernism’ Islamic fundamentalists revile and still look to the West to fix its problems?

    Apparently, some can. Quite easily, as a matter of fact.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    LDSL Do you understand the concept behind blood libel? Because so many times you attempt it in posts. Show me the examples of the government taking such positions as ISIS is doing. Trying to paint the neighbors you loath with such broad strokes does not address the question of why western countries are ignoring the plight of Christians in Iraq.

    Why has our administration attempted to curtail these actions, yet we continue to provide money to the Syrian rebels, PLO, Egypt, and other Muslim countries. Why has our President been on such good terms with the Muslim Brotherhood, whose goal is a world wide caliphate?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    "Convert or die!" said the Catholic Queen Isabella to the Moros of Spain, Edward I to the Jews of England, Godfrey de Bouillon to the Muslims of Palestine, Philip Augustus to the Cathars of France, Orthodox Vladimir to the pagans of Russia, Olaf to the pagans of Norway, etc. etc. ....

    "Convert or die" is an old Christian tradition. One of the oldest.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    The United States is often criticized abroad for not doing enough.

    The United States is often criticized abroad for being too meddlesome.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    Article quote - “The oppression of Christians abroad could be a much-needed reality check for those complaining about the War on Christmas,” he wrote. “It could remind them of what religious liberty is: not the freedom to discriminate, but freedom from discrimination, violence, and worse.”

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Many American Christians have nursed for too long on the milk of outrage and victimhood that they seem incapable of distinguishing between a bruised ego (or not getting everything you want) and real oppression.

    Article quote - “conservative evangelicals speaking out against Obama for his inaction.”

    Yes, it’s all Obama’s fault. Conservative Christians make a bad country far worse and then blame others for failing to clean up their mess. I guess we can add “inability to take responsibility” to their vices.

    And can anyone imagine what our world would look like if it was populated entirely by Muslim jihadists and Christian conservatives? In short order it would be a post-apocalyptic nightmare, at least until their favorite celestial super-hero showed up to save the day.

    God save us from your followers…

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    "Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?"

    The militant extremist group ISIS has issued an ultimatum to Christians in Iraq: "Convert to Islam, leave, or die,"

    =========

    Gee,
    Let's look in the mirror --

    "Why is the Middle East not doing more for Western Muslims?"

    Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to Muslim Americans: "Convert to Christianity, leave, or die,"...

    Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to Hispanic Immigrant Americans: "Enter legally, leave, or die,"...

    Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to Black Americans: "Stay in you 'hood, leave, or die,"...

    Old proverb says:
    Smell-ar's the Fell-ar!