Published: Monday, Aug. 4 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
No need to worry. You just try going without using any grid electricity at all
and then look at your bill. You still will be charged an appreciable sum each
month. Easily this is an adequate infrastructure maintenance share.
I do not have solar cells, but if those who do are to be charged a fee, then
those of us who don't use solar should also be charged a fee because we
pollute and squander energy resources excessively. Fair is fair.
This argument works, if they get paid for the electricity that they put back
into the system.Do they?If not, then this argument is
So, David, would you also complain about those folks who reduce their power
usage through installing insulation, replacing the electric stove and water
heater with gas appliances, upgrading electric appliances to EnergyStar rated
appliances, replacing incandescent bulbs with LED bulbs, or who otherwise
conserve electric energy? Should they also be surcharged because they draw less
from the grid but are still connected to it? Why should solar users be singled
out for the surcharge?RMP's proposal is discriminatory, and
reveals its fear of and attempt to suppress competition from solar customers, as
well as its allegiance to the coal industry, ALEC, and the Koch brothers.
Has Peter North seen what the valley looks like most of the year? Does he have
children with respiratory illness? Do his eyes burn during November to May
because the inversion is so strong?I don't care how justified
he thinks RMP is to charge those rich "greenies." RMP should not be
punishing those who are doing us all a favor by going green. Apparently North doesn't care at all about our health. He wants to hurt
the greenies so that he can continue to use dirty fuel.
I moved into an old house, and have cut my power consumption by 30%-40%, by
insulating the attic, walls and crawlspace, replacing all of the ancient
appliance with brand new high efficiency appliances, all my light bulbs are LED,
and replacing the electric water heater with a natural gas water heater. Should
RMP be able to charge me a surcharge for being more energy efficient?
Somebody has been listening to too much Koch propaganda.
This is nothing more than the Koch bros legislating via Americans for Prosperity
and ALEC their own personal agenda.In Kansas, they have already
unsuccessfully attempted to overturn a mandate that required 20 percent of the
state's energy come from renewable resources. In fact, Barry
Goldwater Jr., a Republican Party stalwart said, "These solar companies are
becoming popular, and utilities don't like competition," Goldwater
said. "I believe people ought to have a choice." RMP
doesn't want competition. They don't like people using solar. Solar
panel users have rattled the cage.
Renewable electricity is most available during the day. That is when peak hours
are. Did you know that Germany produces 5 times more solar energy
than the USA? How can we be satisfied with this? How is Germany and China
outproducing us in solar energy? Unacceptable!Now, to clear up the
muck that I've read recently:Did you know that RMP doesn't
allow solar users to sell their energy back?Did you know that all of
RMP's directors earn $300k+? Pacificorp, the company that owns RMP, is a
Fortune 500 company. And yet, they want to cry the blues about money? Oh please!
Adapt or go extinct!RMP should be thanking users for going solar. If
they were a smart business, they'd take advantage of the newly liberated
resources and expand! Why punish solar users?Did you know this would
be their 3rd increase in 2 years? I thought tax increases were bad? How
isn't this a tax increase?Due to the inversions we typically
get, RMP should be encouraging not discouraging solar energy. Perhaps it's
the competition they're afraid of? I thought repubs liked competition?
Neither the letter nor the comments tell me what the actual situation is. I
don't live in Utah and so I don't know the circumstances but…If the power company has a basic connection fee - a fee they charge each
month for those who are connected to their service - and if a home is connected
to that service, then they should pay the fee, no matter how much service they
use. The service is there and is available if, and or when they need it.If the home is connected but also uses solar cells to supplement their
power usage, and they are charged a separate fee, on top of what others who
don't' have solar cells are charged, then that is nonsense and
unfair.And of course, if a home is not connected to the system and
does not use any energy from the power grid, then they should not be getting a
power bill of any kind.So just what is the situation in Utah? Can
one of the commenters explain?
Folks like North are using divisive Koch bros inspired rhetoric to hurt
Americans.If North feels like he's being taken advantage of
then perhaps he should join the rest of us in the 21st century and get solar
panels? Have you seen the winter times here? Have you looked into
the eyes of a child born with respiratory illness due to the nation's worst
air quality? And yet, you want to punish those who are acting responsibly? For most of our country's existence, we've had a sense of
freedom together with a sense of responsibility.Unfortunately, since 1980,
I've seen a surge in selfishness and instant gratification. Immorality
abounds! Now, it's good to lie on your tax payers and claim
that your company isn't based here in the United States.Now,
it's okay for millionaires to pay lower rates than a single mom with kids.
Now, it's perfectly fine to shut down the government and hurt our
armed forces and retired people to throw a temper a tantrum.Now, RMP
and cohorts like North, want to hurt those who have merely tried to help clean
our environment. Is this moral?
@ ECR"So just what is the situation in Utah? Can one of the
commenters explain?"All are charged about $5 dollars per month
for their hookups. And that was fine... Up until this year.RMP is
now proposing an increase of $10 dollars on solar panel users and only solar
panel users. Those without solar panels would not be effected. It's clearly motivated to discourage those who might be thinking about
dropping RMP and going green. If they go green then they pay less for RMP's
dirty energy. RMP is controlled by the Koch bros. The Koch bros are
trying to pass similar increases in states all around the west. California,
Wyoming, Arizona, and Kansas have experienced similar attacks. If you google
this you'll see countless articles from Forbes to the LA Times exposing
@Curmudgeon – “Why should solar users be singled out for the
surcharge?”And the answer is – solar is competition and
businesses hate competition. Further, RMP is a natural monopoly and barring any
regulation to stop them, they can do whatever they want. @The Real
Maverick – “RMP is controlled by the Koch bros.”Add to the mix this little nugget and the problem becomes infinitely worse. It
used to be that anyone with half a brain recognized the deleterious effects of
monopolies, but today we have large segments of the country who have been
brainwashed into believing the opposite.The oligarchs and
monopolists have never had it so good…
Maverick,I recently read an article on yahoo talking about Germany and
their solar energy. Their system is so unreliable they have to supplement it
from traditional fossil fuel burning supplies, and have to pay up to 400% the
normal wholesale market price for the power. You cannot yet hold Germany up as
a shining example of solar energy.And you talk of divisive Koch bros
inspired rhetoric? I guess you’ve never listened to your hero BO and
harry reid and all their divisive rhetoric. And their actions and legislation
have hurt Amricans.
Does the water company charge a fee, just to be "connected"?Does
the gas company charge a fee, just to be "connected"?orDo
they just charge by useage?Since when did Rocky Mountain Power get
to dictate and change the rules on how Public Utilities are being charged?ANDIf being connected is a real cost, Then EVERYONE
connected needs to be charged.
@ LostMitch McConnell declared that his job was to make Obama a
one-term President.Boehner has launched a lawsuit against the President.
When has this ever worked? Remember Newt?Republicans act like their
victims of unprecedented attacks from the left when exactly the opposite is
true. Until Romney is questioned about his birth certificate, the right has no
room to complain.
@Tyler D"RMP is a natural monopoly and barring any regulation to stop
them, they can do whatever they want."Actually, RMP is a
regulated monopoly; it cannot do whatever it wants, because it has to obtain
approval from the public utilities commission in each state where it operates
(which is why it is petitioning the Utah Public Service Commission for
permission to impose the solar surcharge). It also has to comply with federal
regulations. If it ever was a natural monopoly (which I doubt), it is fast
becoming subject to competition from other sources of power controlled by third
parties, including but not limited to solar power. Interestingly, RMP is
experiencing something similar to what happened to the Bell telephone system 30
years ago, which also was once a regulated monopoly until MCI started its own
long distance network.
Wow there are a lot of really obnoxious posts today!Lds liberal hit
the nail on the head. If there's a charge to be connected, then everyone
should have to pay.Instead, it seems like RMP is creating out of
their rear new ways to charge people... And not just anyone, solar panel
users.Why?Well... Isn't it obvious? They don't
want the competition. It will be interesting to see how our legislature deals
with this. Aren't they supposed to approve or disapprove all rate
increases? Will they continue as business as usual or in light of recent
scandals be more sensitive to being so openly biased and bought off?
Solar power is a GOOD thing. We want ALL people to go to solar power...
Right?So... what if everybody DID go to solar power... Who would
pay for the guys who construct the towers or tunnels and wires that come to each
house? Who pays for the guys who dig up the roads each summer to fix stuff, and
the guys who come out in the middle of the night when a snow storm tears the
wires down? Who pays for the transformer stations and their maintenance. Who
pays for the people to monitor the system and to maintain it... so we know it
will work when we need it?Nobody??===================Should we all have to pay for our own? Each person runs their own wire
from Flaming Gorge to their house? And each person maintains it (because RMP is
not around anymore)...===================If we are going
to encourage EVERYBODY to get solar power... we need to find a way to pay for
the infrastructure that backs in up... Right???What GOOD does
putting RMP out of business to for ANYBODY?
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