What about the tanker truck traffic on Hwy 40? Surprised there isn't talk
of a bypass route of some sort...
Midwest Mom:You have the driver wrong. I own the stock because I
like the value that WalMart creates. I don't like WalMart because I own
the shares. Your thinking is perhaps well meaning, but backwards.Cars put buggy makers out of business, and blacksmith shops also went away,
etc. These previously high value jobs became low value. It isn't any
different with local merchants. WalMart can deliver milk, eggs, root beer,
flour, green beans, paper plates, pharmaceuticals, etc. for less cost than
anyone else. Their distribution centers, information management, scale, scope,
vendor partnerships, etc. are the key. Wages for low-skilled workers does not
drive the advantage. They actually pay more than most of their competitors, or
the workers wouldn't work there. 30 years ago I worked at a convenience
store as a student - and that job didn't pay much then either.I'll answer your question: Want your community to flourish? Let the
most efficient businesses flourish. Get out of their way. Educate your
children. Teach them to work hard and keep their skills current. Teach them
how to innovate and manage risk. And teach them to be honest, fair and
realistic. Best wishes.
Ah, carman, I was close. You do have a vested interest in promoting. Wal-Mart is cheap because Wal-Mart exploits desperate workers. I don't
shop there. Some of you may call me liberal. I prefer progressive--a proud
tradition here in Wisconsin. But whatever you call me, I try to live what I
believe.It isn't hard to avoid Wal-Mart when you think about
the money you spend staying in your community, rather than being sucked out into
the pockets of people who already have more than their share.Want
your community to flourish? Do your business locally. Big box stores are a big
drag on the economy. Eventually, you realize that drag is on you, too.
To Buzzards:So you are not a segment that WalMart targets. They
target those who want maximum product for the lowest price. People in this
segment may be frugal, value money more than time, gain utility from paying less
(or experience stress when paying more) for the same item, etc., etc. Please do
not extrapolate your own preferences to the country as a whole. A
couple of statistics that might help you see how much U.S. consumers appreciate
WalMart. 8% of all U.S. retail sales, or 8 cents out of every dollar spent are
spent at a WalMart. For families making less than $40,000/yr, 42% of these
families total retail purchases are made at WalMart. The American consumer has
voted WalMart the most important retail store in the country - not with emotion
and hyperbole, but with their wallets.My point is this: WalMart is
the most successful retailer the world has ever known because the provide the
most goods, at the lowest total cost. Gripe about the experience if you like,
but I appreciate our local WalMart.p.s. I am not an associate, but
I am a shareholder. If you eat food, you should own WalMart shares too.
I'll always think of Heber with fondness, going on rides up the canyon on
horses rented from Luke's Hot Pots and swimming in the mineral pool - now
that's a REALLY long time ago (in the late 30's and mid 40's);
going to the Swiss Days celebrations; and having a picnic lunch at the little
rest stop by the bridge over the river north of Heber while my girl
friend's father fished in the stream that ran parallel to the highway.
Those were peaceful, get-away-from-the-city times that will live happily in my
The picture of Wal mart creates a very poor image of Heber.
@mikeylikesit - Wow, that's great. Acknowledged that there are poor fans no
matter where you go things in Lehi were certainly less concerning than in Heber
(and Grantsville and Morgan and Roosevelt). Lehi was the big dog in a small pond
for a bunch of years in the 1980s, the larger 2A school in the region. That led
to much dislike from opposing fans. I've been on numerous school busses
that had to be police escorted out of town due to local fans menacing and
threatening the bus and the students on it. I've had more than one such
experience in Heber City. And I like Heber. I have friends from Heber. In 10+
years of being associated with Lehi High School I saw only one time that fans
got too much. The local police always had a presence at school sporting events
and maintained the peace. As for treatment of referees, that will be a problem
no matter where you go; fist fights have ensued elsewhere but I don't
recall anything like that in Lehi or in Heber.
@Mikey - I'll also submit having seen completely reprehensible behavior on
even the golf course, at school meets, by Wasatch players (and the other schools
I named in my previous comment). These were even kids of respected citizens.
Add that to limited reasoning even on matters of church (Lake Creek recreational
property) by the county commission and things have been bad between these towns
for a really long time. And I think it's a shame that Heber is now
experiencing the growth that northern Utah Valley saw 15 years ago and all the
problems that come along with it. The grass isn't always greener.
If Wal-Mart is so inefficient and horrible, why do people shop there? Wal-Mart
only exists because they provide a service people want that they were not
getting elsewhere. If the local businesses were sufficient for the locals and
had good prices, why are they now going to Wal-Mart instead?I bet
most people who rail against Wal-Mart, which seems to be every liberal, shop
there unless they are wealthy. All these towns decry Wal-Mart coming in, but
why? If the majority oppose Wal-Mart, and I suspect thusly only shop at the
local businesses, how does Wal-Mart survive and the small businesses fail?
"Johnny T"First let me assure you that the feeling was mutual.
Lehi fans have always been the bain of Utah County. Having been a basketball
official for many years, an assignment to Lehi was always going to be a trial in
patience and concern for self, visiting fans and players. Your determination of
our "hick town" is mild considering our realization of your fans and
players as self grandizing and originating from the arm pit of Utah County.
I've been there and experienced your lack of class, sorry to burst your
bubble, we were glad when you left town too.
I have it on good authority that a good 55% of the high rank given Heber City
was due to the Dairy Keen's milkshake menu.
@ carman: I realize this is an article about Heber City and not WalMart. But
whatever efficiency WalMart has achieved in distribution, they have lost in
forcing their customers to stand in line for 20 minutes. That's not very
efficient on my part, and part of the reason that I rarely set foot inside a
WalMart.BTW, I enjoy Heber a lot. One of our favorite family drives is
over Guardsman's Pass then down into Midway and Heber for lunch. A
wonderful way to get out of the big city for a few hours.
Heber City is the definition of "what could've been." Throughout
the west, small towns manage to retain their characters not by stifling
development, but by making it conform to some basic guidelines. Heber sold out
and surrendered. Auto parts stores, Walgreen's, Taco Bell and McDonalds --
all just like every other town's -- except placed sideways on too-small
lots. Tearing down old homes on Main, across from our city park(!) - to expand a
car lot, instead of helping it relocate near others in the blighted acres on
south Main. Allowing subdivisions to fill all corridors that could've been
used to re-route heavy truck traffic around town -- and avoid nonsensical
intersections. Allowing WalMart to break promises. Just go back look at
sketches in the local paper of what was proposed to convince voters. But hey, we
have 30 new min-wage (government-supported) jobs, 88-cent socks - and Café
Rio and Kneaders, so it was worth it.
I laugh at the statement in the article about excellent schools 30 years ago.
25 - 30 years ago Lehi played against Wasatch High School. It was a hick town
then and it showed in the school. Visiting sports teams felt threatened by the
crowd and we couldn't wait to leave. I'm sure things have changed
there recently with the influx of people.
Big Bird is right. Carman sounds like an "associate."
To: Carman: your statement; We should celebrate WalMart. They are the essence of
American ingenuity and efficiency. WalMart is efficient? Really? You must shop
at a different WalMart!
To Big Bird,WalMart is fantastic. They free millions of Americans
from the mundane tasks of distributing groceries and other sundries. Instead,
because WalMart does these tasks so efficiently, we can spend time doing things
that are much more valuable, and keep more of our hard-earned money.The key is not to get emotional and shout that WalMart is running small shops
out of town - by definition these businesses are not competitive. Instead, we
need to focus on education and training that will allow our labor force to
engage in more value-added activities.We should celebrate WalMart.
They are the essence of American ingenuity and efficiency. They have saved
consumers countless billions of dollars on things that we all need: food,
pharmaceuticals, back-to-school supplies, etc., etc. We all benefit from the
lower gas prices, lower food prices, etc. that WalMart forces by their
incredible efficiency.Instead of complaining about it, celebrate it.
Then let's focus on training and education so that otherwise less
productive people can be more productive, and have a higher standard of living
and better quality of life.
@Big_BirdWhy do you hate capitalism?
BUY LOCAL FIRST! Wal-Mart is a plague! They are destroying
"small town America" one indifferent shopper at a time. All the local
businesses will go under, and soon you will have no choice but to shop at
Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart doesn't play fair. When you don't
allow them in your city limits, they build right outside of the city limits....
people will still flock there, and the city in which they live, will not collect
the taxes!Good luck small business owners, I hope that "Heber
Valley UnPlugged" will help keep you in business!
I have a home in Bountiful, Brighton and San Diego (Del Mar). I sold my
business a few years ago and looked at a 20 acre spread in Heber City. After
spending a few days with a realtor I could not connect with Heber...it was stale
and seemed like a small city pretending to have all the amenities. It is not a
city of beautiful homes and gardens, it's more like a struggling poor
man's Park City. Walmart seems to be its crowning achievement, it's
I drove thru the place of my birth (62 yrs ago)and my home until 1989, this last
weekend and found it unrecognizable. About 50% of the homes and yards are a
mess! How sad such a beautiful place is so unkempt and seemingly unappreciated.
Heber City needs to break out the old beautification programs of the past and
enforce them. This community used to be a great source of pride for now deceased
members my family, I'm sure they see this lack of pride in where we live,
just as deplorable as I do. I call upon Mayor McDonald and the council to take
whatever action they can to clean up Heber City. Let's restore
"Beautiful Heber Valley, Paradise of the Rockies" to it's former
place of pride and appreciation.
I have stated this before but having semi trucks speeding right through town is
not a good thing. Main street Heber hasn't been quaint for a very long
time. Colorado and Montana have towns that aren't just lined with strip
malls. Some of the older neighborhoods have been trashed by the residents.
Heber valley's views, the lakes, Provo River etc are beautiful though.
I remember my Dad telling me about his experiences while going to BYU in the
early 1030s of going to the Heber valley to take samples of the cows milk from
the many dairies up there. He loved the valley and the people there. That type
of work in the milk business helped him have a steady job with Morning Milk
Company in Salt Lake City and in Wellsville and meeting my mother at her
father's dairy in Utah valley. Heber City has a Wal-Mart the definition of
small town America?