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  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    What is scary Vernon, is the attitude of the far right like you. Our President is the best I've had in my lifetime (54 years). I have been astounded at the inflexibility of the right. For the first time in a long time, you see that you might be wrong and you can't handle it. Your kind better get ready, because next, we are going to have a female leader. Do you want to feel the way you do (only worse) at the thought of having your first female president? Time to analyze your feelings and start the road to change.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    It isn't the President who should step down! It is all of the backstabbing, incompetent republicans who have done absolutely nothing but bellyache about Obama! Good grief, things are not that bad! If, indeed things are as bad as some people say, then look at those who do nothing! The republicans. I get so tired of all the idiotic stuff people make up about our government and about Obama! What does the scripture say about pulling the mote out of your own eye before you pull the mote out the eye of another. Republicans should clean their own house before they look somewhere else!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    Checkout Glenn Becks recent apology for crazy things he said on FOX, this might lessen the trauma.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 6:24 p.m.

    Please turn off Fox news and get with the educated public that researches issues and makes educated arguments. This letter falls under the sky is falling category. I hope for the day that the DN will publish stronger and better researched letters from both sides, not just the Fox News rehash.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Aug. 4, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    wrz,

    Thank you for at least articulating the source of the so-called "assaults on every side" - that's more than the original letter identified.

    But then you rattle off a list of events separated across 4 decades, carried out by disparate groups or individuals with their own grievances, methods, and objectives, as if they are a cohesive, unified force. They are not. Some of them are bitterly at odds with each other.

    You tell naysayers to do research. I have studied the events you list and those who have perpetrated them. I have even hunted some of them for a living. But trying to tie them all into a unified threat against the US homeland is a simpler narrative than spending the time to understand them and what they want.

    "'Exactly what dragons need slaying?'"

    "The menace of the middle east."

    Let's not mince words. You mean Muslims. Because they're easier as a whole to blame than trying to navigate the bewildering and complex ethnic, historical, tribal, economic, political, and religious issues of the region.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    This letter,
    and the commentors who agreed with it prove one thing --

    AM hate radio works, [and by that, I mean NOT in a good way].

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    Yes, the Republican tea party do nothing congress has to go.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2014 12:58 a.m.

    @The Real Maverick:
    "We've tried war before. Perhaps a different strategy should be employed?"

    There are mostly only two options... fight or give in.

    @Res Novae:
    "Where are we 'being assaulted on every side'?"

    You've never heard of 9/11? The Fort Hood shooter? The USS Cole Bombers? The London Subway bombers? The Boston Marathon bombers? The Israeli Olympic team attackers? Saudi Khobar Towers Bombers? Beirut Marine Barracks Bombers? The Benghazi attackers? To name just a few.

    "What forces are arrayed against us?"

    Do a little research... Al Qaeda has announced their objective... kill all Americans and Jews.

    "Exactly what dragons need slaying?"

    The menace of the middle east.

    @Ultra Bob:
    "We can elect a leader as our President but if we deny him the tools of acceptance and support, he won't be able to lead the nation and we will wallow in despair."

    He has been handed the tools... it's called laws passed by the US Congress. And his marching orders are in the US constitution: 'take care that the laws be faithfully executed.'

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    Don't sweat the small stuff, it's just all small stuff.

    Take a deep cleansing breath Vernon, the sun will come up tomorrow...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    Israel is not the 51st state.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    John Spring's Lincoln quote is a perfect description of the Tea Party.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 8:23 p.m.

    @ John Charity Spring, what ARE you talking about with the Lincoln quote? The only thing that remotely makes sense is the shabby behavior of the Tea Party and far right. Is that what you are referring to? I assume so.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 8:16 p.m.

    I see the problem as the Republican House of Representatives. What about that, Vernon. The President isn't the problem. Sadly, you are partisan, which undermines your credibility. In fact, you really should have written this letter back in 2003.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    @ Mountainman

    "America has never faced the probability of nuclear devices being detonated in one or more of our cities by our geopolitical foes which we face today!"

    You must have missed the past 60 years and that whole Cold War thingie.

    A basic high school American history class would do you a world of good. The possibility of Atomic war has been around since the close of WWII.

  • intervention slc, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    @john charity springs and thid

    So your defense of a letter full of empty rhetoric is to post more of the same?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 3, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    Thid Barker.."America has never faced the probability of nuclear devices being detonated in one or more of our cities by our geopolitical foes which we face today! America's enemies have never had that capability but they do now"

    Dude where were you in the 50's, 60's, and 70's? Remember the Cuban missile crisis. And just who has that capability now except Russia and China, the same enemies of the 50.s, 60's, and 70's?

    The staggering debt will destroy us..oh please. There's not an ounce of inflation, and we owe 80% of the debt to ourselves. Do you ever get tired of this straw man. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work on a manageable debt but destroy us..please.

    " America has never faced the moral and cultural decline we are experiencing today, ". Oh the moral decline of gays have equal rights, women can make their own choices about their health, and the decadence of someone being allowed to marry whom they love.

    Sounds to me like we're getting better.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    Wow! I've never seen so many liberals tooting their horns in one post in a looooong time.

    With this country's overwhelming debt ($17 Trillion and counting), disastrous Health Care, open border allowing illegals and drug cartels by the truck loads into our country, IRS scandal daily looking worse, VA scandal, Benghazi cover-up, millions of "folks" on food stamps and welfare and growing, and imperial style governing, etc., I am amazed that you can find any hard facts to "brag" about with this administration.

    God bless our country, the USA!

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    "This government cannot last." Ah yes, immortal words spoken by one of the finest Presidents...but he clearly was a better President than fortune teller since it has been over 150 years since the pronouncement and no collapse yet. In any case the letter writer clearly is advocating for a switch to a British style of government where the people push their representatives to vote "no confidence" in the government and new elections are called...great idea but best check with the founding fathers first.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    @John Charity Spring;

    What country are you living in and where is any of that happening?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    The most dangerous thing in America today is the Tea Party Republican.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    I agree with one thing the letter writer wrote, we do need to get back onto the right track morally and spiritually.

    Health care is a right, not some commodity to be bought by the rich and denied to the old, poor, or sick.

    Corporations aren't people.

    The poor and middle class shouldn't pay higher taxes than the richies.

    Public lands don't exist to merely exploit. No more drill baby drill mantra and those ranchers who refuse to pay for their usage need to be thrown into prison.

    Our veterans aren't pawns in Bush's game of Call of Duty. Former leaders who lied to get us into war need to be held accountable. They deserve health care and benefits that they've earned. Not have the government shut down because of Mike Lee's temper tantrum. Those who shut down the government and rob veterans of their benefits need to be brought to justice.

    Money isn't free speech. It's bribery.

    Let us all get onto our knees and repent today. We need to get back on the right track.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Aug. 3, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    John Charity Spring,

    You've been spamming that Lincoln quote in comments for political, religious, and even sports articles for several days. Please explain your tenuous connection between a young Lincoln speaking about the dangers slavery posed to democratic government and whatever point you're trying to make, or knock it off.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    @ Joan Watson

    And what was the point of the letter? Other than historical misunderstandings rice, paranoia de bleu, smothered in Obama bashing sauce, and your typical side dish of sour grapes over the election of 2012?

    I seriously didn't see any point to the letter and I read it 5 times over.

    Is the letter writer desiring an all out war against the Russians? Was that the point? Please help me.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    America has never faced the probability of nuclear devices being detonated in one or more of our cities by our geopolitical foes which we face today! America's enemies have never had that capability but they do now and contrary to what some of our leaders believe they now have or soon will have that capability and have sworn to use them!
    America has never had the staggering amount of and increasing amounts of national debt that it does today and except for some (including our current leaders) who have their heads in the sand, it will destroy us economically at some point! America has never faced the moral and cultural decline we are experiencing today, especially in our inter-cities. Partially because of my religious faith, I believe the long term future of America is wonderful (10th Article of Faith) but I also have read the words of the prophets both ancient and modern and know that our immediate future will be very difficult. In other words, America will survive but it will be a very different country by then!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 3, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    JCS,

    How many times are you going to post the exact same thing? Do you believe that this is applicable to every single article?

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    You have a dysfunctional Congress so you call for a coup d'etat rather than just voting Hatch, Lee, Chaffetz, Bishop or the new guy out? I'll bet you'll vote for at least one of these people or the former mayor that has only more Koch submissiveness on her mind. Please, you withstood Bush for his terms so stand up and quit advocating for revolution. We withstood the last guy while he lied us into war so you can withstand this guy especially since you'll vote for the same dysfunctional representatives who all think they are the subjects of Utah folklore even while they attempt to expedite the process of the coup.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."

    This quote by Abraham Lincoln perfectly states the issue here.

  • SharpHooks Lake Sammamish, WA
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    Such nonsense. We are fit and getting more so.

  • SharpHooks Lake Sammamish, WA
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    Template letter, different signature at the bottom.
    Are there any republicans who can offer solutions/support/reasonable intelligence? Anywhere??

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    Vernon Cook the nay's, as can be expected, are lined up against you. For what it is worth, even though your history is off a bit, one agrees with the crux (essential/deciding point) of your opinion.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    Ranting about "invisible canons" and being at war from all sides was a common strategy used by a certain Austrian political speaker who led a revolution in Germany in the 1930s.

    The fascist right wants us all to feel that we're under attack so that they can pass laws which restrict freedom and invade countries, like Iraq, that haven't attacked us.

    Will we fall for the fascist GOP again? Or will we stand up for freedom by voting democrats in November? Guess we'll find out!

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Mr Cook, did you know that in the 80s we helped arm Iran? Those same weapons are being used against us.
    Did you know that in the 80s we helped to support the Taliban?
    Did you know that we have spent over $2 trillion in Iraq? Over 5,000 Americans and nearly 1 million Iraqis have been killed! Iraq is far worse off as a democracy than they ever were under Hussein. At least he kept the country together!
    Did you know that we outspend the rest of the world in defense spending nearly 2 times over?
    Did you know that President Obama captured the world's #1 terrorist and master mind behind 9/11?
    Did you know that under Obama's presidency we have seen a sharp decline in embassy attacks and deaths compared to the Bush regime?

    If you're fearful of American security and prestige around the world, then why on earth would you ever vote for a republican president? All they do is lie about wars, arm terrorist groups, and waste money. Low information voters need to become informed! We cannot survive anymore republican "compassionate conservatism."

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Aug. 3, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    So let our country and its infrastructure fall apart so a bunch of right-wingers can thump their chests and play war.

    Got it.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    This wins the award for greatest fact free rant this Sunday on the Deseret News. Nice job!

    Folks, this is what happens when you listen to way too much hate radio and tv. My church teaches about moderation in all things.

    So what are Vernon's solutions? Elect Mitt Romney? Out spend Chinese defense spending 10 times instead of just 4? Nuke the Ruskies? Invade Iran? Third time might be a charm in Iraq?

    What would you have us do? Vernon, you're in charge. Now that your 5 minute rant is over, let's have a discussion. What would you do differently?

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    I really think this letter is meant to be funny. An exquisite parody of a Tea Party rant. Well done!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Let's see --
    Addington looses to Napoleon and resigns,
    Chamberlain looses to Hitler and resigns,
    and
    Pres. Obama kills Osama Bin Laden, turns the tanking economy around, the Stock Market has rebounded and set record highs,
    and this letter writer wants him to re-sign?!

    Seriously,
    at least draw a corresponding, accurate conclusion.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
    --Abraham Lincoln

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    A leader can only lead as well as the tools of leadership available to him. Early on, the only tool a leader needed was size, then came the club and the atomic bomb. But even weapons have no force now as we enter into the leadership era of implied consent.

    We can elect a leader as our President but if we deny him the tools of acceptance and support, he won't be able to lead the nation and we will wallow in despair. The people of America elected President Obama and gave him acceptance and support. But a portion of America set to work to remove that acceptance by the force of media and for the most part have succeeded. They have set aside the voice of the people's vote.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 3, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    "America is now being assaulted on every side"

    And just what country do you live in sir? Or do you imagine that America is being assaulted from the south with an onslaught of 6 year olds, and a deluge of actors and musicians from the north. Oh the terror and moral collapse.

    The country has just experienced the largest quarterly growth in 10 years, the stock market is at all time highs and home prices and sales are solid again. And oh yea our annual deficit is the lowest in nearly 10 years. We truly are witnessing the collapse of a nation.

    And as proof of our weak and feckless foreign policy, this very paper just last week published an international survey about the worlds opinion of America and our President and the entire civilized world held nearly a 70+% favorable view.

    I'm sure there's much to disagree about but a collapse of America under this President...I don't think so.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 3, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    Just who has bombed us lately? Who captured Bin Laden? Whose economy is still the envy of the world? What country enjoys a more vigorous debate on issues? Why are kids so desperate to live here they travel across deserts, risking their life, just to have a shot at the American dream?

    I may not always like what the current government does. However, we do live in relatively security. Actually, I am more afraid of guns in the hands of a citizen of this country than I am of invasion by a foreign power.

    The world faces significant challenges to be sure. Every generation does, and our ideals and our financial vigor will give us the advantage in most every situation. We are the envy of the world, and no victim.

    I feel sorry for the LTE that such blatant fear and loathing of the current administration has defined their view of the world in such apocalyptic terms.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Aug. 3, 2014 6:01 a.m.

    Factual errors abound. The Treaty of Amiens was signed in 1802, not 1803. It wasn't a surrender to France, though popular British opinion at the time thought it too favorable to Napoleon; that, combined with Napoleon's continued aggressions, is why it only lasted a year. Addington was ousted from office in 1804. Napoleon's famous "100 Days" after Elba happened in 1815, and have precisely nothing to do with Amiens or Addington.

    Where are we "being assaulted on every side"? What existential threat is our Napoleon or Hitler? What forces are arrayed against us? Why the reference to Israel? Is Hamas digging tunnels under our borders, or firing rockets at our cities?

    What are our moral and spiritual strengths? How will they help us against these nebulous forces arrayed against us? Considering the levels of our military spending, what more must be done to return to our military strength? To fight whom? Where? Insurgents? Third-rate Middle East armies? Russians? Chinese? Latinos spilling over the border? Defining the opposition is critical to martial readiness.

    Enough with opaque references. Exactly what dragons need slaying? I had my belly full of quixotic quests against vague national security threats while in Iraq.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:55 a.m.

    My president is highly-qualified, highly-intelligent, and highly-capable.

    One of the major problems our country faces is a huge segment of the population can't live with the fact that their guy didn't win. That is why we have the divisive monkey wrenching, intransigence along with obstructionist politics (which is what the Utah delegation is part of).

    We tried the Bush doctrine and should have learned that "we can bomb the world into pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace"

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:50 a.m.

    This letter is merely a vague, fact-free rant from America's ultra-right.

    But I do agree that we ought to "get the incapable leaders out of office." Let's start by voting against any candidate who embraces Tea Party ideologies.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:43 a.m.

    "Then we need to get the incapable leaders out of office, and bring America back to its strength morally, spiritually and militarily."

    Please elaborate. When was the last time we were "morally, spiritually and militarily" strong?

    Was it under Bush/Cheney? Just trying to understand?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 2:58 a.m.

    Mr. Cook, your words would have more meaning if you actually joined the armed forces. It's far too easy to criticize the president and demand action while you sit comfortably in your own home typing on a laptop.

    Will you assume the full costs of war? Will you join and fight? Will you pay Higher taxes, food rationing, and even the spilling of blood from your family?

    A very applicable quote:

    "Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows."

    - Martin Luther King Jr.

    We've tried war before. Perhaps a different strategy should be employed?

  • intervention slc, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:28 a.m.

    Strange I was just outside and the sky wasn't falling.