We are not a "nation of immigrants." We are a nation of immigrants
*and* of the descendants of immigrants.You can't ignore the
second half of that equation. Immigration brings a certain vitality and spice
to national life. But the descendants of immigrants bring something, too. As a nation, we have decided to try and keep the ratio between those two
groups, and the respective cost-benefit packages each brings to the tble, at a
certain level, by allowing what is frankly quite a generous level of
immigration. This is no different from how a city may properly decide to
approve a certain number of new developments, and no more -- in order to prevent
new arrivals from overstraining local schools, parks, roads and services. Democrats have no problem with limiting development. They need to ask
themselves exactly why they favor what is effectively unlimited immigration.
LittlebitSalt Lake City, UTAw, come on, Mr. Corroon. Surely you see
a difference between those who play by the rules & pay the fees, & so
on, & others who show up & expect to be welcomed in without meeting any
criteria whatsoever. Don't we as a sovereign nation have the right to
expect certain obligations to be met? How about us taxpayers who get to foot the
bills for the schooling & medical care for these folks? Since when is a
desire to live in the U.S. the only thing that determines whether somebody gets
to come & stay or not?Well said, Littlebit.
SoCalChrisThe ship your referring to was a ship of German Jewish
refugees. They were turned away by many nations. We turned them away because we
were not at war yet (it was 1939), and did not want to get involved. Same with
the other nations. That's not a good comparison. Watch the
movie "Voyage of the Damned". It has nothing to do with illegal
Compassion? How do we reward illegal behavior and call it compassion? Compassion
is making everyone follow the same set of rules. If a child does something wrong
do you reward them? What would that teach them? That bad behavior was rewarded
in this society? Not to mention encouraging more of the same behavior. Over a
million people come here legally each year for a better life for them and their
family. Breaking the law, living in fear, stealing id's, social security
numbers, and perjury (I-9) is not asking for a better life. The lessons taught
to their children almost ensure a worse life in my opinion. Why do
you want to reward illegal behavior, and punish the honest legal immigrant? I don't like my honest ancestors from Ireland compared to those who
chose to break our laws and come here illegally. They wanted the better life,
and chose the right path for them and their children.
It's not often that I would agree with a Democratic party chair but I agree
with the gist of this piece. Some illegal immigrants have made a
decision many of us would have made in their shoes. I don't support open
borders. I believe we need to tighten up border security and should have an
orderly immigration system. But there are some situations which call for
compassion. We turned away a ship full of refugees (is that better
DN?? - I have no idea why my comment was denied} fleeing Nazi Germany during
WWII because they didn't have the proper documentation and there was a
similar furor over illegal immigration. There are exceptions to every rule.
prelax,"You're making excuses to justify illegal behavior
by business and those coming here illegally by things."____________________________That's your spin on what I'm
saying but it's not even close to what I said.
@Craig ClarkSame arguments were used to push through the 1986
amnesty, and the six that Clinton gave during his Presidency. You can't
discourage bad behavior by rewarding people. It just makes the problem worse.
I miss typed in my statement above, from 1976 to now, we have
averaged over on million per year coming here legally. Although those numbers
were high for having 9-10% unemployment for a few years, I heard few complaints
about coming here legally. That's not the case with illegal immigration.
You're making excuses to justify illegal behavior by business
and those coming here illegally by things. The immigrants before
1965 had to stand on their own two feet, and make it here on their own. There
were no food stamps, no government handouts, and 20% went back home because they
couldn't make it here. Those were the good old days. People standing in
line to be documented, half the legal immigration of today, immediate family
only, and no illegal immigration.
Immigration is a political and social issue as old as the Republic itself.
It’s been opposed in every era under one guise after another. Nativism
seems to be the one facet of the issue that few are willing to consider or talk
People using the Irish as an excuse need to do some genealogy. You'll find
out that people who came here from Ireland and most of Europe had to have
"permission to disembark" letters from the U.S. government. If they did
not have them, they had to return to their country at the ship captains expense.
Needless to say, few tried to come here illegally, and even fewer were allowed
on the boat. Port of entry records show many were barred from
entering the country, for one reason or another, and we limited legal
immigration to 500,000 per year from 1776-1996. Now we allow in over a million
per year, and we allow people with green cards to sponsor extended families.
Before 1965 we allowed only immediate families to come here. Parents and
children. It's much more liberal today than it was when the
Irish came here. In the 60 years of the Irish immigration we had 2.8 million
come here legally. Something is fishy here, it's the concept
that there is no difference between legal and illegal. Breaking the law should
never be an acceptable practice, by any group.
A lot noise is being made here on the legal vs. illegal issue and a lot of noise
is all it is. Immigration has always been a thorny issue going back to the
Presidency of John Adams when there was a swell of opposition to the influx of
immigration from France.In the mid-1880s, the Irish were not greeted
with open arms. Nor were the Polish, the Italians, nor immigrants from Eastern
Europe in general. Some of those immigrants would have been
‘illegals’ under the more stringent immigration laws we have today.
When I hear todays vocal opponents to immigration staking their arguments on
legal vs. illegal, I start to smell the unmistakeable stench of a red herring in
What would happen if ONE THIRD of us ignored traffic lights? Or didn't pay
our property taxes? Or crashed the gate at the baseball games?And yet our
politicians are completely comfortable with the fact that at least ONE THIRD of
all the foreign-born are here illegally.Their solution? Legalize them.Go figure.
As immigrants came to America through the New York harbor, they did not first
stop at the Statue of Liberty - instead, they went to Ellis Island, where they
became documented and began the process of immigration. No body is arguing that
immigration needs to stop. Instead, the rational thought argues that
documentation needs to be part of the process.Please stop trying to
blur the distinction.
@tenxI hear ya, brother.I use the 165 million people from the third
world who want to live here because I can document that. Gallup did a poll,
released in 2009 that indicated 700 million people who would rather live
somewhere else. The USA was the top destination at 165 million.Pew had a
similar poll regarding Mexico. They reported that 36 million Mexicans would
rather live in the USA - 18 million of them said they would be willing to break
the law to do it.Your estimate of 3 BILLION is not out of the question,
especially if we telegraph to the world that the borders are open.
what does citizenship mean anymore? If anyone can come now and get free health
care + welfare + food stamps+ cell phones then what is the point of spending all
that hastle becoming a citizen if you get all that stuff for free anyway? All
sarcasam aside-most common sense people are going to take the easy road right?
Then I ask the question what does citizenship mean? illeagals can work here - go
to college here and do everyting a citizen can so WHY become a citizen? Seems
like a waste of time. So if citizenship means nothing then just disolve our
borders and let anyone come in and get them on the free-bee welfare roles. They
don't even have to work because they get monthly checks in the mail upwards
of $3500 to support them. Then why work? If you get free money then why bust
your hump to make $9 an hour? See where this is going? When does the money run
out? Ask Greece. They found out that the money does indeed run out. Then what?
Just raise taxes on the rich? The rich - with any common sense - have left the
country. So now what Democrats???
every one of my ancestors who came to America from Denmark or Germany received
NO hand outs or welfare or food stamps or free cell phone or free health care or
free disability ......No my ancestors came with NOTHING but strong
hands and hearts and a fierce self reliance and that is all they had and that is
all they got - just a recongnition that IF you are willing to work hard - really
hard then America can be a land of opportunity and NOT a land of free-bees. Today the Democrat party and Mr Caroon seem to think our obligation is
to be the Santa Clause nation giving free stuff to all who come. Would you want
your own children to stay in your basement for 35 years recieving free
food-shelter-car-cell phone - gym pass etc and not working... What parent wants
that? NO PARENT!!! Then WHY is that the policy of the Democrat party for illegal
immigrants? One reason - the Democrats have selfish power reasons for wanting
these people. Illegals - 85% will vote Democrat. Get the picture now? This is
poltitical self preservation at its worst. Pretty simple to see. Pretty
@LDS liberal. You forgot to put LEGAL in front of immigrants.
Does the mayor only have compassion for those who cross the border illegally?
There are hundreds of thousands who live in South Chicago, Memphis, Newark,
South LA and other US cities who are not receiving proper support. They should
be first on our compassion list.
@the open border crowd. I worked 30 years abroad in many countries, side by
side, elbow to elbow with the common ordinary man, swapping stories in a tent by
candle light in the jungles of Colombia, sat on the ground in the desert of Iran
eating eggplant out of a can with unleven bread, talking about their lives, etc.
MY estimate of the number who want to come here is 3.0 billion. Not a few
hundred thousand, nor the hundred some million mentioned in the post above. All
they need is transportation to the border and of course some politician inviting
them to come with promise of amnesty and handouts. If you can handle 3.0
billion "immigrants" keep up the talk. They will soon hear you!
If you were born in America... you're not an "Immigrant".People who immigrate to another nation and are "naturalized" and
granted Citizenship, are "immigrants". Their children and all future
generations are NOT "immigrants".You are not an
"Immigrant" just because generations back someone in your family tree
immigrated to the US.
"Immigration makes" us stronger... ILLEGAL-Immigration doesn't.The type of people who knowingly break laws and come to a country
illegally... are NOT they type of people who make America better.=============In LEGAL Immigration... we can make sure we know who
is coming to America. Make sure they don't have a criminal record. We
know they have an education and the resources needed to support themselves and
their families in America. We know they don't have communicable diseases,
and that they aren't involved in ILLEGAL trades (like drugs, human
trafficking, identity theft, document mills, organized crime, terrorist
organizations, etc).ILLEGAL Immigration... we DON'T know who
they are, what their criminal record is. What they will do for a job when they
get here. Can they afford to register their children for school, or feed them
for that matter. Do they have education and marketable skills... or will they
need to be employed in some way by the black market???This is NOT
what builds America in to a better nation... this is what turns America in to
The ignorance and hate filling so many comments here are appalling.
Aw, come on, Mr. Corroon. Surely you see a difference between those who play by
the rules & pay the fees, & so on, & others who show up & expect
to be welcomed in without meeting any criteria whatsoever. Don't we as a
sovereign nation have the right to expect certain obligations to be met? How
about us taxpayers who get to foot the bills for the schooling & medical
care for these folks? Since when is a desire to live in the U.S. the only thing
that determines whether somebody gets to come & stay or not?
MOST Mormon Pioneers - who settled this land and who we revere and honor - were
The author clearly stipulates his opinion that historically the immigration laws
arose from fear or prejudice. If the legal limitations did not exist, then all
immigrants would "enter at the door", be properly documented and
integrated into our society through personal sacrifice and hard work. Those
from each nation would learn to cooperate to build up each other. English
classes should be readily available and highly encouraged.If these
workers were contributing to Social Security and Medicare, these programs would
be sufficiently funded in spite of the aging and dwindling of our native-born
population. We should be happy to help these immigrants achieve citizenship
after a sufficient lapse of years proving that they are law-abiding contributors
to our nation.
Mr. Corroon,LEGAL immigrants are very welcome. Illegal immigrants, those
who show no respect for our laws, are not. Executives who do not believe in
upholding our laws are not fit for office. Please resign your county executive
position so you can be the full-time advocate for illegal aliens that you want
to be and not violate your oath of office.ordinaryfolks,Your
description of why Chaffetz should be ashamed fits perfectly the situation
surrounding the passage of Obamacare – no, I take that back, Obamacare was
worse because it included political payoffs like the LA purchase, Florida
flim-flam, etc.But since it was something with which liberals agree,
no matter the skullduggery involved passing it, it is totally acceptable.
Further proof the world does not make sense without the liberal double standard
About Guatemala, Peter Corroon, the economy here appears to be very up beat and
thriving. New car dealerships, high-rise buildings going up everywhere and
businesses good. There are people begging in the streets but the USA has the
same thing. Here is your education about Guatemala. This is a very laid back
society of people. They will not do a thing unless they have too. Our biggest
challenge is getting them to show up to work on time. Second challenge is
getting them motivated to listen and perform a reasonable days work. So get it
out of your head that these people are the hardest working people because they
are not. It takes five of them to do the work of two Americans, FACT!!These people are sending their kids to America because they are unwanted or
they are looking at their future income. I didn´t say these people are not
smart because they are. Smart enough to know Americans have a big heart, big
wallets and will take in an unwanted child. Of course there are genuine cases
but the majority are from lazy parents who should not have or should have known
Peter Corroon allow me to educate you. I am an Expat or Expatriate (one who
works out of country) and I work in Guatemala. I make comments to Deseret News
to pass time on my off hours. Working in places in much different than taking a
vacation there. I have worked in NYC, LA, San Francisco, Alaska and half of the
states in between. I understand and share your heart felt sympathy for people
but on the other hand there is the behind the scenes you ignor. First not all
illegal's are of dark skin and come from South America, India, China or the
Midlist. There is a huge population of white Europeans in NYC that go completely
ignored. They need to be deported as well. These people also sneak their kids
into America to live with relatives. The children become slaves to their family
members. So these illegal's need to be address as well. No double
standards because they are Irish, English, Canadian, Swedish or German.
"Between 1820 and 1880, political and economic conditions brought over 2.8
million Irish immigrants to the United States"From 1776, to 1976
we averaged 500,000 people a year. Since 1976 we have averaged over one million
people a year here legally. This is the greatest legal migration this country
has ever seen. I can't believe people are still mixing legal
and illegal immigration, and condemning those who want the laws enforced by
using that old argument. Also the parents sent their children here for
Obama's amnesty. These lies and half truths about immigration are getting
Superb article. And no, the 'illegal/legal distinction some of you obsess
over is utterly unimportant, given the realities of the situation.
Why pick on Rep Jason Chaffetz? Stewart and Bishop both chose to fight for the
American worker and the children of Central America. By not allowing them to
stay, millions more might be saved this journey over the next 10 years. The law
passed by the House is the only one that addresses the cause of this mess,
Obama's DACA waiver amnesty. The Senate bill has no enforcement provisions
without loopholes and exceptions. Just like the 1986 amnesty it would only make
things worse. Matheson should be the one chided for wanting to
encourage more to come here illegally. Why would someone want to encourage
people to break the law?
Amen Peter Corroon, Amen!
Actually it is the Americans that make our nation strong. While it is true that
immigrants often make the good Americans, mostly it is when they lose their
immigrant nature that they become good Americans. In most cases
immigrants are fleeing a hard and unfair life and have a predisposition of
extreme competitiveness which sometimes causes them to band together in gangs
and other improper associations. If we would help them become good
Americans, we would draw them out of their previous philosophy and into the
common good of all.
I can sympathize with Peter's comments on we being a 'nation of
immigrants' as a first generation immigrant myself. Countless immigrants
have helped make this country great. It is good that we are able to take
impoverished and threatened people from other countries into our midst and offer
them a shot at "The American Dream", and we have been doing this for
many years in an organized way under the laws of the land, whether it be as
refugees, those seeking asylum, or as legal and naturalized citizens.And, undoubtedly we will continue to do this as long as America remains the
stable and strong country that it has been, but when we stray from our laws and
orderly procedures on immigration, as our present administration has done, the
integrity and health of our country begins to erode and we will cease to be able
to offer "The American Dream". Peter's cab driver in
New York who lost his good job at Phizer and was forced to seek a job at much
lower pay, is a good example of what non-enforcement of existing immigration
laws can help bring about.
One more time, read carefully. Immigrants go through a legal process called
Immigration. Illegals sneak into a country illegally across a border or
overstay a temporary visa. There is a vast, vast difference. Legal Immigration
is good. Illegal immigration is bad and laws are broken by them in numerous
ways. Viva LEGAL immigration.
If I had a violin I would have played while I read this. Once again a liberal
does their best to blur or obliterate the line between legal and illegal.
The Cab Driver came here legally few people are against those that come here
legally. It is those that are here illegally we worry about. Conditions may be
bad in Central America, however people need to go through the system or improve
it in there area.
Let us have separate debates about immigrants and illegal aliens. They are NOT
the same.Let us debate how many immigrants we should allow each year.
Which ones should get green cards? Right now the emphasis is on family members.
Some countries focus on those with skills that could benefit our nation.
Let's discuss that.Now, how many? Right now we accept about ONE
MILLION a year, despite a recession and unemployment problems among our own. I
wonder what Mr. Corroon's number would be? (Remember, there are 165 million
people around the world who would rather live here.)Is Mr. Corroon
suggesting open borders? After gazing upon the Statue of Liberty is he
suggesting that our immigration criteria is simply that the applicant is tired,
poor and yearning for freedom?I know Mr. Corroon to be an intelligent man
who knows all about writing laws and enforcing them. Surely he sees the folly in
his own suggestions. And surely he sees the mess that our lack of enforcement
Of course we are a nation of immigrants with a rich tradition of welcoming
people from all around the world. That is why we allow something like a million
LEGAL immigrants to enter this country every single year. We want hard working
people with dreams for a better life to come and join us in making America
great.What we don't want is an open border where tens of
millions ignore our immigration laws and come for a free handout. Not everyone
crossing our border just wants to get on welfare or commit crimes, but many do.
How do we separate those out without any enforcement of our borders or laws?
The mayor knows the difference between legal and illegal. This argument makes no
sense as he uses legal immigration to justify illegal immigration. It
doesn't and never will.
We all have seen that Jason's record of success is not going so well.This will be more of the same.I wonder if Jason has ever thought that
his family might have been deported if not for a different mindset on
immigration in the past?
Rep Chaffetz ought to be ashamed of himself for supporting the legislation
recently passed in the US Congress. Note, this legislation passed in the middle
of the night at the eleventh hour on a virtually partisan basis. It is wildly
at odds with the Senate's bi-partisan bill (note, the Senate can get a bill
through that both parties find acceptable) and the bill would never be signed by
the President. It was an exercise in political grandstanding.Rep
Chaffetz engaged in showmanship for his Tea Party fan club. I don't know
his heart, and I don't know if he truly believes we ought to cruelly deport
a bunch of kids back to a murderous, criminal environment. However, I do know
that his action have no benefit to the country, to those kids or to any ideals
upon which the country is founded. I also know that by this action, Rep
Chaffetz has placed himself clearly in the lockstep obedience to Tea Party
politics which in no way add to the good governance of this country. The Tea
Party now stands for nothing, legislates nothing, and is solely interested in
collection of power and influence.
"We are a nation of immigrants. They make our nation strong." A myth. We are nation of natives, born to native-born parents, primarily.It is UNITY in commitment to important values upon which the nation was
founded -- including respect for the rule of law -- that makes the nation
strong. "This immigrant, like many others, do all they can to
support their children."All American parents do, typically.
This is not exclusive to immigrants. "... thousands of Central
American families who have decided to risk everything to make sure their
children can survive."Bank robbers and shoplifters do
essentially the same. This does not make it right. We are a nation of laws.
The fruits of Freedom are not here merely for the pickin'.
They have been purchased with a price. Part of that price is
respect for the rule of law. Those who come here simply to enjoy the fruits who
are not willing to pay the price of respect for the rule of law -- which
includes respect for this nation's boundaries and immigration laws -- are
in fact thieves, and are teaching their children to be thieves.Let's not turn our backs on American victims of the invasion.
Only the first generation that comes here are immigrants, those born here are
native to this land. Emma Lazarus poem on the State of Liberty welcomed legal
immigrants. Why can't so many see the difference between the two? People in
the Central American countries do not have a long wait to come here legally like
Mexico. The money paid by their parents could easily help them afford a lawyer.
I challenge everyone to learn there is a difference between legal
and illegal. Putting these children through this, when they could come here
legally is wrong. And rewarding the bad behavior of their parents will only
encourage more of this mess.