Wait a minute...Chris B has said over and over that Whit is NOT on
the hot seat! Can he be wrong? He's usually right about everything.According to this article Whit is up against the wall, but I thought Utah was
NOT the doormat of the PAC 10?
Idaho State will be a challenge.
First option is impossible - Utah can't schedule 6 games with BYU in a
season.Second option is impossible - Schedule as difficult season as
BYU does. (As a member of the second rated conference in the country we must
play 9 games and with 6 teams ranked in the top 25 preseason poll we must play
multiple games against top 25 teams.)Third option is how we are
going to do it - regain the "swagger"! In my opinion this years team is
deepper in depth than ever before. With many positions stronger than last year.
And last year was ever so close. (I know - woulda, coulda, shouda!)Regardless of whether you are a believer or doubter my advice to you is bet on
Utah to cover the spread!
Here is how you do it: start caring about getting PAC 12 wins, a lot of them.
Stop caring about one upping BYU who is officially irrelevant and not on your
A losing record should not be the only determining factor in firing, or
retaining, whittingham in my opinion. If it is another 5-7 year for instance,
but the losses are mostly close could have gone either way types, and the team
itself was very competitive I think he will, and should, be retained.If it is 4 wins or less it will be pretty hard to justify keeping him on,
especially if they are blown out in more than a couple of games, and those
blowout losses need to be to oregon, stanford, usc, or ucla, no one else. But he should be worried, the schedule is tough, just as utah
"fans" are constantly whining about, and he must beat fresno which in my
opinion is not the cake walk utah "fans" seem to think it is. Slapping a
pac12 next to their name doesn't all of a sudden make utah any better than
they ever were, in fact fresno is a team I think is on par with utah far more
than utah is on par with the oregon, ucla, stanford, and usc's of the
(Yawn) Another DN article projecting the demise of the U and Coach
Whitt.....Could just as easily say this particular author could be
retired in St George before Coach Whitt gets there, & who's to say that
would not be the case? Haven't played a down yet, haven't had a
second tick off the clock, but the Utes are somehow already at 4th and 20 and
its time to "save Whittingham".Au contraire, the U (and
Coach Whitt) are just fine, just had a nice infusion of new talent for this
season, now looking forward to kicking things off with an improved roster, new
coaching in several key areas, and the best brain trust in the state --- Whitt,
Sitake, Erickson, and Christensen.Bottom Line: It's sooooo
great to be a Ute!!! :)
3-8 this year and Whitt is coaching BYU's defense next year.mark it down
Idaho State = winFresno State = tossupat Michigan = LOSSWashington State = tossupat UCLA = LOSSat Oregon State = LOSSSouthern Cal = LOSSat Arizona State = LOSSOregon = LOSSat
Stanford = LOSSArizona = tossupat Colorado = tossupWith
7 built in losses and 4 tossups, the Utes will have to sweep their tossups, and
pull off an upset to be bowl eligible.Possible, but not likely.
@druteSo give us the names and dates of all the other articles the
Dnews has published about the demise of whittingham and utah? I read just about
every day and I don't remember very many of them, if any at all.I'd also like to know why you think some motley assortment of walkons and
late signees no one else seemed to want is some huge "infusion of new
talent"? If they were all that great wouldn't they have already been
signed by someone? For that matter why didn't utah sign them in the first
place back on signing day? You have easily established yourself as one of the
more delusional utah "fans" that posts on these boards.
I think the break in not playing each other will be good for both utah and byu.
Byu can take a break from the pressure of not living up to expectations when
playing utah (lost 9 of 12, favored in 10 of the games). Utah cannot put their
eggs in one basket and focus on playing well in a game other than Byu (with few
I suspect Utah is going to be better than most people give them credit for.
Everyone looks to last year. That was then - this is now. Don't count out
@DuckHunterSo it's not a matter of whether they win or lose,
but a matter of "how" they lose. The fact that they will lose is a
given. Is that correct?
@ druteWhile I didn't really understand the context of your
comment about STG, maybe I could help clarify the meaning behind this article.
CFB has a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. BYU and now USU
have created a brand of winning on the national stage as well as participating
in bowl games around the country (USU will be going for their 4th consecutive
bowl appearance while BYU is shooting for their 10th). One has to think that if
the head coach wasn't getting it "done" and posting enough wins (6)
in order to participate in a postseason bowl then they would for surely be
canned (ask Crowton).I guess what the author is implying is that if
the U is a step above all other programs in the state, why have they retained
their head coach who hasn't been to a bowl game since 2011?Now
I know what you're thinking, "well he had to handle the transition of
entering the Pac10" that's great and all but why not let him step down,
and bring in a coach who can win on the big stage regularly.2011 was
so long ago.Go BYU
I really can't wait for the season to start. At the very least, fans of the
3 big teams in Utah will have something else to speculate on. byu will have a
good season because they are a weak team playing against even weaker
competition. Utah State will likely have a good season in their relatively new
conference. If Utah has a good season, it will be because they triumphed when
the team's soul was tested week in and week out. Character in the face of a
true and consistent challenge is more intriguing to me, which makes only one of
the teams in Utah truly worth watching.
@Duckhunter"..the (Utah) schedule is tough, just as utah
"fans" are constantly whining about..."In truth, Utah
fans are ecstatic about the tough schedule. That is why for every season of
PAC-12 membership RES is sold out. (98+% renewal rate!) Someday I hope you
will experience the thrill of playing a schedule including teams like Oregon,
Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Oregon State (all listed in the pre-season
top 25 list), Arizona, Washington State, Colorado, Michigan, Fresno State, and,
yes, Idaho State. (three of the latter were in the receiving votes for the top
25 also.) And then to do this year after year. Look ahead at how excited Y
fans are that in the next 5 or so years you will have Arizona, USC, and Stanford
come to Provo. Well, it will never get old for this Utah fan to have all the
PAC-12 teams come to RES at least once every two years! When Utah fans (in
general) talk about the difficulty of their schedule it is with pride and to
provide some background as to why we went from two undefeated seasons this past
10 years to losing seasons, so far, in the PAC-12.2014 - what a year for
spokaloo"I think the break in not playing each other will be
good for both utah and BYU."You're half right. It'll
be good for Utah because the Utes will at least have a fighting chance versus
Fresno State; Taysom Hill and company would have mopped RES field with the Utes
We would be 10 wins on Utah's schedule. Easily.
Fair enough Duckhunter. I don't think Fresno is a cake walk either.
Aren't they breaking in a new QB though. And the game is at RES. If Fresno
is projected to win their conference, then what does that say about Boise State?
They have kept a smoke screen record recently with their own bad schedule.
Houston was a barn burner last year but BYU still looked superior to them to me.
The game is in Provo this year. Now that QB could get hot. And BYU has
traditionally struggled with QBs that can stretch the field. That said, I think
BYU has a really good secondary for a change. Injuries were costly at that
position last year. To me the only challenging games on BYU's schedule the
whole year are Texas and USU. BYU has USU's number and Texas is in rebuild
mode. They are the one team that is physically superior to BYU on their schedule
but BYU will be fresh for them. Now if BYU played P5 teams week in and week out
then BYU would find out what TCU and Utah are experiencing right now. And that
is having a losing record.
To go bowling, Utah needs to beat Idaho State, Fresno State, Washington State,
Oregon State, and Colorado. That is 5 wins (Oregon State on the road is the
biggest iffy game with Sean Mannion). I think Utah gets these 5 games though.
From there Utah will need to win one more game unless they lose to Oregon State.
I like the opportunity to beat Arizona and USC at home. Winning both of those is
reaching somewhat. But I do see Utah getting 6 wins and I wouldn't be
shocked if they win 7 games (surprising someone along the way).
If Gionni Paul and Jacoby Hale recover healthwise then that would be a huge
boost to the defense. Utah's offense will be better this year. I think
Michigan is overrated and a possible win for Utah would be sweet. That game is
in Ann Arbor though. But with the schedule during the first month being lighter,
Utah could gain some confidence and momentum. The swag factor is huge. I look
for Utah to get that back this year. The chemistry is good and the depth is
better. Whitt can coach but he has his flaws like Bronco (choosing the right QB
has been a problem for both). If Wilson can stay healthy (I fear he won't
ala the repeated Wynn failure experiment), then Utah could start to roll with
I suspect if fans really expected Utah to be much better, the Utes wouldn't
have had to spend so much time making up whiny excuses about how difficult
Utah's schedule is going to be.
It'll be great to welcome back Whit to his original home at BYU as our
defensive coordinator next year to free up Bronco to work on the offense.
I don't see the infusion of talent. I don't see the depth being as
good as the past two years. I don't even see the level of talent in the
last recruiting class being as good as the two before it. The Utes are
approaching the "losing mentality" shown by Colorado, Cal and Washington
State. It has taken several of the other teams in the pac many years to fight
their way out of that mentality (some are still mired in it)and they have mostly
had better recruiting classes than Utah. I think you have to face the facts.
Utah will be very fortunate to ever be a top 1/2 pac team. Even Urban Meyer
himself would not have won 10 games in 2004 playing a schedule close to the
difficulty of this years. The utes have good mid-major talent in a P5
conference. 04 and 08 were great years with average to weak schedules, but it is
unlikely that the utes will have another one like them while in the pac, no
matter who the coach is.
@Who am I sir?,Is it BYU's fault the utes have a tough
I see 4-8 best case, probably 3-9. And I would say 2-10 isn't that big of
"This Michigan team, though, will be a problem for Utah. The Wolverines are
ranked No. 17 in USA Today’s preseason football poll." -- Brad RockNot in THIS year's preseason Coaches poll. This year's
preseason #17 is Notre Dame. And the only poll where I saw Michigan ranked was
in the FPI poll, but that poll placed the Wolverines at #18, and was released as
far back as last May. In this year's Coaches poll Michigan is receiving
votes, and sandwiched between TCU and Iowa.For what it's worth
though, I do think they'll be a tough team to beat.Go Utes!
@DuckhunterHighland, UT@druteSo give us the names
and dates of all the other articles the Dnews has published about the demise of
whittingham and utah? I read just about every day and I don't remember very
many of them, if any at all.-----------You spend more
time on Utah articles, with multiple user names, than you do on BYU articles yet
you can't recall the articles below.NOTE: Deseret News had to
officially apologize for article #5.1. Brad Rock: Whittingham should
get one more year (Tuesday, Nov. 26 2013)2. Brad Rock: Another down
year would put Kyle Whittingham near the flame (8/25/2013)3. Utah
football: Ute coach Kyle Whittingham, AD Chris Hill on the same page4. Brad Rock: Whittingham will rise or fall with his friends5.
Commentary: To save job, Utes coach Whittingham should bench quarterback Travis
Wilson (Nov. 15 2013) No need to thank me. Making you from LOL is
thank you enough.KW will get one more year, unless we only win 2 or
@Who am I sir?Cottonwood Heights, UT"In truth, Utah fans
are ecstatic about the tough schedule...Someday I hope you will experience the
thrill of playing a schedule including teams like Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA,
Arizona State, Oregon State (all listed in the pre-season top 25 list), Arizona,
Washington State, Colorado, Michigan, Fresno State, and, yes, Idaho
State..."I bleed Cougar blue but I also root hard for the Utes
and Aggies to do well when they don't play BYU. We're proud
you're ecstatic about your strength of schedule. Honestly, I'd love
to see us play that same schedule too but you know it's not possible due to
our situation, not because we're afraid or can't compete with those
schools. You're in the best situation to prove you belong. Do that and no
delusional Cougar fan will ever deny that. Keep losing and the thrill of
playing with the big boys will ultimately ring hollow and mean nothing.Go Cougars! And good luck to Utes and Aggies too!
So is "Who am I sir?" Saying they are losers?
Nothing to sweat. They have two BCS victories and last year they beat
over-ranked Stanford. That's all that Dr.Hill requires. Good thing for
Whittingham, because that's all he's going to produce yet again.Why is a bowl so darn important anyway, when you're in a Power 5
conference? After all, somebody needs to be in last place and 11th place in the
PAC 12....it just as well be Utah as WSU or Arizona.
@ fashion policeI knew not scheduling byu would come back to haunt
the Utes. Replacing that automatic win, with a loss at Michigan, will hurt at
@Irrelevant"2011 was so long ago."Yet, 1984 was
whoamiThe truth is, just like anything, the newness eventually wears
off, even the newness of Utah football being in the PAC 12. It won't take
many more losing, bowl less seasons before Utah fans begin deserting their
football team, just like they did their basketball team.Any Utah fan
who witnessed the vast sea of empty red chairs in the Huntsman Center during
recent years knows exactly what I mean.
The utes have handled the Cougars for the past few years but without BYU on the
schedule the team really doesn't have anything to get up for. In the past
the BYU game was one that motivated the team. With it gone the team won't
have any motivation. And don't tell me they are motivated to play the
Oregon's and UCLA's of the PAC12. The reality is that they are scared
to death of playing the big boys week after week. I predict a maximum 3 win
season this year resulting in the removal of Whit as coach. Then he'll
retire and go on an LDS mission.
I just want a new phone Mr. Whittingham
This article started out as kind of a glass half empty and then Rock turned it
around to note some positive things although I think he left out several
positive things the Utes have going for them. It's funny how the BYU fans
are hanging their hats on a bunch of new guys who replaced last year's
starters in several key positions, but then they turn around and laugh at the
Utes for the same thing. I guess that's just the way it is with you guys.
Right Duckhunter?I personally believe improvements have been made at
several key positions that will help the Utes get over the hump in some of those
close games. As Rock pointed out, the Utes weren't that far off last year.
How hard is it to defeat a "top 25" ranked team?Ask coach
Mendenhall. His record is 5 wins and 13 losses (28% winning record).With that in mind: If Utah were to lose to every team on this years schedule
that is either ranked or received votes in the preseason poll and defeat every
team on their schedule not ranked or received votes their record would be
3-9.Contrast that with BYU. If they were to lose to every team on this
years schedule that is either ranked or received votes in the preseason poll and
defeat every team on their schedule not ranked or received votes their record
would be 11-1. And it would be their second best winning percentage in
history.Separate thought: Utah's team will play against 17
players ranked on Phil Steele's preseason All-American teams. 8 of these
will play before fans in RES. In addition, Utah fans will see 2 Of Phil
Steele's preseason All-Americans every game in punter Tom Hackett and
kicker Andy Plillips!
Firing Whittingham means bringing in a new coach, which means a couple of years
of learning a new system. I appreciate a school that stands behind its
coaches.Its too bad coaches have to be fired instead of demoted. I
think both Kyle and Bronco would prefer to be defensive coordinators again, and
let others do the CEO work of head coaching.Interesting that so many
Cougar fans hope Whittingham is fired from Utah so that they can get him to come
to BYU. I suppose the idea is that one settles to the level of competition
where one can do well - like a PAC12 running back moving down to mid-major
Not scheduling BYU for the automatic yearly win is really going to hurt us Utes
this year. Oh well at least we aren't playing in an empty stadium like
BYU. Our BYU neighbors were giving away tickets (no takers though), guess a
cupcake schedule will do that.
TheNunNice try, but your own AD admitted that he dropped BYU from
the schedule and added Fresno St because he didn't think the Utes were good
enough to play both BYU and Michigan in the same season.
@thebigsamoanYou're in the best situation to prove you [Utah] belong
[with 2014 SOS]. Do that and no delusional Cougar fan will ever deny that. ------------Like in 2008, pre-Sugar Bowl game when the same
fans were screaming the Tide will Roll Utah?After the game, the same fans
are still screaming the Tide weren't motivated?The same fans
that think the 2009 BYU beat a great Oregon State team that came in motivated
even though a few weeks earlier had lost out on the Rose Bowl in their rivalry
game.Or even on this article take this example:@toosmartforyou: "Nothing to sweat. They have two BCS victories and last
year they beat over-ranked Stanford. That's all that Dr.Hill
requires."For these fans #11 Stanford was overrated, yet Texas
was such a BIG win for BYU? * Texas was ranked AP #15 when they
played BYU, dropped 14 spots out the next week, and finished as the 4th best
team in the B12, un-ranked at 8-5.* Stanford was ranked AP #5 when
they played Utah, dropped 7 spots to #13, and finished as PAC-12 champions, lost
in the Rose Bowl, at 11-3 AP #11.
I guess playing actual games is just a formality now. Because, everyone has the
results of the entire schedule figured out before the first game of the season.
@theDailyObserver,Either Central Florida, Houston, Texas, Utah
State, or Boise State would win the PAC 12 south division if they were in the
conference. The utes wouldn't bowl with the BYU schedule either.Don't spill that rubbish of BYU playing a weak schedule, because
it's not true.
TJ:"I don't see the depth being as good as the past two
years. I don't even see the level of talent in the last recruiting class
being as good as the two before it."Last year's recruiting
class WAS -- per Utah's traditional standards -- sub-par. However, most
teams -- including Utah this year -- don't start all their true freshmen
over the more experienced Seniors. Therefore, our poor 2014 class won't
really impact us that much until those guys get up to their Junior years --
which would be somewhere around 2016-17. As for THIS year......most
of Utah's impact players would have come from the recruiting classes of
2010 (#32), 2011 (#37), 2012 (#28), and 2013 (#44). And THOSE were some pretty
toosmartforyou:Stanford was "over-ranked"? Maybe....IF your
point was that Stanford wasn't REALLY the 5th-best team in the country last
year, as Stanford was ranked #5 when they lost to Utah. BUT...if
you're suggesting that Stanford -- who finished the 2013 season ranked #11
-- was overrated, you're gonna need to back that one up. Because the 2013
Stanford team was SOLID. They won the Pac-12 (aka, the 2nd toughest league in
the country last year), and beat 6 ranked opponents. SIX! #25 Washington, #21
Arizona St. (twice), #20 Notre Dame, #16 UCLA, and #9 Oregon. And by an average
of 11.3 pts/game. How could an 11-3 "Power 5 conference champion" team,
that beat 6 ranked opponents, by an average of 11.3 pts/game......be
tabbed as "over-ranked"?Without being "frantic and
emotional" I mean.So please....do tell. Back that up.
WhyAmIhere?:"...without BYU on the schedule the team really
doesn't have anything to get up for. In the past the BYU game was one that
motivated the team. With it gone the team won't have any
motivation."Let's be absolutely clear here...THAT game is
YOUR "Super Bowl". Not ours. That is the game that YOUR team really
"gets up for". Not ours. See for yourself:"It is huge.
This is like the Super Bowl...Coach Mendenhall will have us prepared to play
Utah." -- LB Kyle Van Noy"In previous years, I think
it's been the biggest motivation we've had, playing Utah and trying to
beat our in-state rival." -- OL Ryker Mathews"We grew up
watching the rivalry and that's why a lot of us came to BYU...Honestly,
that's lot of the motivation we had...every day we remind ourselves,
'Hey, we've got to beat Utah'." -- DB Drew Reilly
WhyAmIhere?:"And don't tell me they are motivated to play
the Oregon's and UCLA's of the PAC12. The reality is that they are
scared to death of playing the big boys week after week."Don't tell US that we AREN'T! Cougar fans such as yourself have no
idea how awesome it is to play more than one or two interesting/challenging
games, so they can't tell us how we feel, or what motivates us. WE tell
THEM!Utah will be playing 5 teams ranked in the preseason: 2 in the
Top-10, 2 in the Top-15, and 1 in the Top-20. In addition to that, we'll
be facing 4 other teams receiving votes. THAT's an AWESOME schedule, and
one that we do in fact look forward to. If we were "scared to death" to
face that sort of gauntlet, we never would have left the MWC back in 2010, to
join the Pac-12. We would have left them to join the WAC. Like the cougars
@WhyAmIhere,Are you serious? I have read on a few different
occasions this past week about how Utah get up for BYU and then drops off, or
the emotional game for Utah. Not buying it myself. As far as being scared, I
don't think you watched the UCLA game, the Stanford game, or any of the Pac
12 games. Utah does not play scared. The emotion and effort is there every bit
as much if not more for the conference game as they are for BYU. The bottom
line is that the majority of the PAC 12 teams are better than BYU thus they
become more difficult to get the win. For any who think Utah is not a better
team and program than they were 3 years ago you are wrong. This team would
dominate the MWC, if they play a mid major schedule we would be talking about
11-1 or 12-0 seasons. That applies to the last 3 years. Utah has been in that
position of busting the P5's control of college football and when give the
opportunity decided to join it rather than fight it.
Marked it Down:Fresno St. plays at the same level as our
indy-irrelevant, WAC-wannabe little brother. The only real difference is,
playing a team in Central California would most likely aid in attracting better
recruits and/or establishing a more competitive recruiting pipeline than would
be playing a team in Provo. And that therefore makes playing FSU > the Y.
@ mark itThe last time the Utes played Michigan and BYU in the same
season, well, they handled both teams. I beleive they beat a TCU, Oregon St. and
Alabama club as well but who's checking.If they were to play
both teams again this season and get a split, I would put my money on a win over
BYU. The Utes have a very nice opportunity in front of them with Fresno St. and
Michigan this year.BYU is no longer in the same conference, and the
Utes have 9 P5 games after the so called pre-season. The Utes have nothing to
gain from playing BYU and claiming the state championship.
"This Michigan team, though, will be a problem for Utah. The Wolverines are
ranked No. 17 in USA Today’s preseason football poll. -Brad RockI'm sitting here trying to figure out which poll this guy is talking
about... and how a sports writer can be so clueless. Notre Dame is #17 in the
preseason coaches poll. Michigan is #32 with 53 votes.Brad Rock is a
professional writer who supposedly knows his beat (sports). Egregious errors
such as this should be a monumental embarrassment for someone in the journalism
industry -- which lives and dies by credibility.Unbelievable.
worfMcallen, TX@Who am I sir?,"Is it BYU's
fault the utes have a tough schedule? No!"Sos is relevant in
these discussions everytime byu fan points to number of Ws and bowl games.
byu's Sos finished 35 spots below ours in '13 and will finish roughly
100 spots below ours in '14, yet byu fans don't care about that when
pointing finger, as they lose to virtually every P5 opponent they face [see Uva,
The U, Wisc, Nd and Uw] and mount Ws against patsies [see any year in byu
history].We love the challenge of our schedule and its inherent
potential reward. Conversely, byu fans applaud their easier, softer route to
bowl-eligibility and its inherent limited potential reward, even though they can
never beat the school they routinely point finger at.4 straight, 5
of 6, 9 of 12 and the insurmountable overall record, 57-34-4, equates to being
worf:"Don't spill that rubbish of BYU playing a weak
schedule, because it's not true."Yes it is. Phil Steele
has your SOS in the 70s. ESPN has it in the high 90s. That IS one very weak
schedule.And speaking of "don't spill that
rubbish"........"Either Central Florida, Houston, Texas,
Utah State, or Boise State would win the PAC 12 south division if they were in
the conference."Rubbish. You made that up. How frantic and
emotional of you.
Stop with the strength of schedule whining already. I don't hear that
excuse coming from any of the other PAC 11.1 schools - none of them!You don't want to be the doormat of the PAC11.1, quit.
The gap between BYU and Utah is not as big as some ute fans believe it to be.
While I admit Utah has had a slight edge lately, the fact that Utah chose to
avoid BYU the next two years makes it impossible to say who truly has the edge
in 2014 & 2015 which is a shame. Playing each other is the best way to find
out. Sad to see how quick the Utes are to abandon the best things about college
football: rivalry and long held traditions. But even sadder is to see what has
happened to some Utes sense of importance since going to the PAC 12. Some have
become the very embodiment of what Utah fought against--teams thinking they are
special based primarily on their conference.Given that the rivalry
game has come down to the wire all but two years since 2005, it is a bit out of
touch to claim the game is an "automatic win", or pejoratively use the
term "mid major" as the gap between the two teams does not warrant the
hyperbolic statements. For throwing tradition out the window, Utah loses to the
team they put in BYU's place--football karma...
"...without BYU on the schedule the team really doesn't have anything
to get up for. In the past the BYU game was one that motivated the team. With it
gone the team won't have any motivation."Pure nonsense. We
don't have to post a W in order to qualify for getting up for any
particular game. See Osu, Ucla and Asu as prime examples of it from last year,
all of which literally went down to the wire and literally could've gone
the other way. Same goes for Arizona, Usc and Wazzu. Heck, we were neck and
neck with Oregon in Eugene well into the 3rd quarter before it got away from us.
We most definitely got up for each and every game last year and do so every
single year for that matter. To proclaim otherwise is nothing more than a
coping mechanism byu fans utilize in the face of being so thoroughly and
completely dominated by us, annually.
Max was right just predicted 3-8. So his prediction apparently is saying that
this season will be so bad, we won't even play our last game.. hmmmm. 8 wins including a bowl win. I'd bet the farm on it. This team is
better than anyone thinks.
Naval VetIt's laughable that you're scolding other
bloggers for "making stuff up", and then you cite SOS rankings as if
they were something more than a best guess.Since 2014 SOS is based
on how teams do in the upcoming season, nobody, not even Phil Steele, ESPN, nor
anybody else knows exactly what BYU's nor Utah's SOS will be in 2014,
so stop pretending that your predictions are any more "fact based" than
Ho hum. Another article by the D News questioning Utah's program, followed
by a legion of BYU fans pouncing on Utah's chances. And these same BYU
fans conveniently overlook the fact that Utah has one of the hardest schedules
in the country, rated by some publications as being the 5th most difficult in
the country (Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Michigan, etc.) while
not acknowledging that they have one of the easiest schedules in the country
(UNLV, UConn, Virginia, Cal, Savannah State, etc.), rated by some publications
as being in the 100's for strength of schedule (129 is the easiest schedule
possible). BYU is only interested in playing games for guaranteed wins. If
they played Utah's schedule, they would be lucky to go 3-9.It's also interesting how much interest Utah articles generate for the
BYU fan base. But, nothing changes these stats: 4 in a row, 5 of 6, 9 of 12,
and 57-34-4. Utah will forever own BYU.
Balan:"Stop with the strength of schedule whining already. I
don't hear that excuse coming from any of the other PAC 11.1 schools - none
of them!"So somebody from South Jordan, UT doesn't hear
what other Pac-12 fans have to say?No surprise there. It helps that
you don't know any other Pac-12 fans too.
@NavalHow could an 11-3 "Power 5 conference champion" [Stanford]
team, that beat 6 ranked opponents, by an average of 11.3 pts/game......be tabbed as "over-ranked"?-------------You
are aware that your asking the same person that blames the loss to Virgina on
"...without BYU on the schedule the team really doesn't have anything
to get up for. In the past the BYU game was one that motivated the team. With it
gone the team won't have any motivation."----------Aah, the Cougar Nation myth that helps them feel better about themselves
after yet ANOTHER loss.
Thanks for the bedtime story Dad, that was a great fairy tale about the utes
going to a bowl game. Maybe tomorrow night you can tell us the story of Peter
Pan and the Pirates.
@Max-was-right3-8 this year and Whitt is coaching BYU's defense next
year.-----------------Whitt will be coaching somewhere
else next season but it won't be as the DC at BYU. Bronco already has Nick
Howell as his DC. Maybe Kyle can coach the Inside Linebackers, Paul
Tidwell's close to retiring.
This should've been placed in the Fiction section. Michigan in
2008 was the worst Wolverine team in over 100 yrs barely losing in OT to the 2nd
best Ute team in over 100 yrs. The situation is quite the opposite now. Michigan
isn't great but they're very good and are ranked going into the
season. Utah's season starts going downhill in game 3. The loss
to Michigan starts an 8 game losing streak before the Utes get a break at home
with Arizona. The AZ game is no guarantee, just that its a winnable game for
Utah because they're at home. Problem is they may be so demoralized after
getting crushed by UCLA, ASU, Stanford (revenge will be sweet), Oregon, Oregon
St, Wash St, USC etc that they won't have anything left to play for and
will just lay down and roll over for the Wildcats.The only question
mark is which crushing defeat will be the final straw for Kyle? Will it be the
crushing loss to Oregon? USC? Will he make it as far as the Stanford game? also,
who will be the interim HC? Maybe Chris B knows...
@Henry DrummondI suspect Utah is going to be better than most people
give them credit for. Everyone looks to last year. That was then - this is now.
Don't count out the Utes.----------------------They'll be the best 2-10 or 3-9 team in America! Go SOS!! Go Pac12!!!
@Who am I sirThird option is how we are going to do it - regain the
"swagger"! In my opinion this years team is deepper in depth than ever
before. With many positions stronger than last year. And last year was ever so
close. (I know - woulda, coulda, shouda!)-------------Ahhhh....that's so sweet. Despite the stark reality of the situation
you're trying to be brave. New swagger starts when the new HC takes over
and changes the culture of the team into one that cares more about winning Pac12
games than they do beating BYU. It's sad that you can't have them
both. Kyle was so good at getting his teams whipped into a frenzy for the BYU
game but not for their conference games.As for the team being
"deeper" this year, I'm pretty sure they have the same number of
players this year as they have had in previous years. Nope, same lack of overall
Pac12 talent, speed and athleticism. Judging by struggles you've been
having in recent years with Utah St and Boise St, it's doubtful you'd
even have swagger in the MWC.
@DuckhunterSlapping a pac12 next to their name doesn't all of a
sudden make utah any better than they ever were, in fact fresno is a team I
think is on par with utah far more than utah is on par with the oregon, ucla,
stanford, and usc's of the world.-----------------The truth is hard for some to hear. Utah is on a downward trend since 2011 and
have gone 4-5, 3-6 and last season 2-7. That in and of itself isn't a
guarantee that they'll go 1-8 in conference this year but when you look at
the schedule, it's very very possible they will have to work hard just to
get to 1-8 in conference play.Wash St has turned the corner on Utah
and they have a senior QB who beat them last year coming back. Oregon St has an
NFL QB, UCLA has an NFL QB, ASU has an NFL QB, Oregon has a potential Heisman
winning QB, USC has a QB that will get NFL attention and so does Stanford.
Colorado isn't a gimme game because they're at home and are improving
under a new HC.
@GoredIt's also interesting how much interest Utah articles generate
for the BYU fan base. But, nothing changes these stats: 4 in a row, 5 of 6, 9 of
12, and 57-34-4. ----------------------I'm not sure
why you're complaining about BYU fans posting on Ute articles, you are part
of the same bunch that are among the first to post on all the BYU articles.
Typical ute hypocrisy.As for the comment about "nothing"
changing those stats, when Utah goes 1-8 in conference play this year Kyle will
be gone before the Colorado game (maybe even before teh Arizona game). Kyle has
done an outstanding job preparing his team for their annual "Super Bowl"
with BYU but puts so much emphasis on this one game that he can't get the
team to play all their conference games with the same fire and emotion. The
culture of the program is too firmly entrenched anbd he hasn't been able to
turn it around (hence his asking for a break in the rivalry).A new
HC will bring a new focus and Utah will lose the edge vs BYU that Kyle brought
to the team.
@UteologyLike in 2008, pre-Sugar Bowl game when the same fans were
screaming the Tide will Roll Utah?-------------That's ancient history, last decade and irrelevant to today, get with the
times. These ain't your Dad's utes anymore. The big problem is while
Utah enjoyed several consecutive of the best recruiting classes they've
ever had, they've gone 4-5, then 3-6 and finally last season 2-7 in
conference play. This year could very very likely continue that trend and see
Utah go 1-8. The only guaranteed win on the schedule is Idaho St. You can whine all you want about how hard your schedule is (wah wah wah) but
this is what YOU signed up for. Quit your whining and start winning some games
or be quiet. Nobody cares that it's too hard and you can't compete in
the Pac12. Your SOS the first 2 yrs wasn't that tough, according to Sagarin
they were ranked in the 40's and you still lost. BYU's SOS last season
was rated 38th by Sagarin and 34th by ESPN and they managed to do well enough to
get to a bowl game. Time to put up or...
@former coachThis team would dominate the MWC,--------------------Dream on...in recent years the utes have
struggled with Utah St and with Boise St both of which are 2 of the better teams
in the MWC and this coming season you have another test against the MWC with
Fresno St. You might have the edge in this game however because they're
having to break in a new QB. Ute fans do a lot of wishful thinking
about last year and all the "coulda woulda shoulda" games but the same
reality holds true that with a few lucky bounces taken away and close wins
become more close losses Utah could've just as easily been 1-11. Looking at
your conference schedule you look a lot closer to 1-11 than you do to being bowl
eligible. Right now Vegas has the over/under on wins for Utah being
4.5 (hint -- you should definitely take the under). (Queue the
whiney fans complaining their schedule is too hard, they have too many injuries,
wah wah wah)
gored4-5, 3-6, 2-7, and another losing, bowl less season coming up,
but the standard of success on the hill is Utah "owning" BYU, even
though U don't even play BYU again until 2016 - classic little brother
Long story short, Mr. Rock thinks that if the Utes can avoid a deluge of
injuries like they suffered last year, they will go bowling and Kyle's seat
will cool down. I'll go with that.Now that they're excused
from playing us for 2 years, a lot of big talk from the "fans" of the
small ball playing team in happy valley. lol.Go Utes!
Anyone feel the angst and nervousness from the u fans? I will give them a
little more credit than most and say it will be a 4-8 season at best. Reason?
I don't see Wilson making it past the third game without a season ending
injury. He simply cannot take a hit like most college QB's. With a weak O
line he will not get the protection he needs to hit his receivers. This has
been proven before. Their backup qb may be good but without any game reps he
will be way over his head.
BigCougarBountiful, UT@UteologyLike in 2008, pre-Sugar
Bowl game when the same fans were screaming the Tide will Roll Utah?-------------That's ancient history, last decade and
irrelevant to today, get with the times. These ain't your Dad's utes
anymore.... You can whine all you want about how hard your schedule is (wah wah
wah) but this is what YOU signed up for. Quit your whining and start winning
some games or be quiet------------------------Then that
would put 1984 as prehistory. You are aware that since leaving the
MWC:A) BYU is 5-11 (31%) vs P5 teams B) Utah is 11-18
(37%) vs P5 teamsSo I would ask you to do the same that you are
demanding of others. Thank you.
BigCougarBountiful, UT@former coachThis team would
dominate the MWC,--------------------Dream on...in
recent years the utes have struggled with Utah St and with Boise St both of
which are 2 of the better teams in the MWC and this coming season you have
another test against the MWC with Fresno St. You might have the edge in this
game however because they're having to break in a new QB. ------------How priceless, the same person telling Utah fans to
stop whining goes on to whine about Fresno State breaking in a new QB.Newsflash... One of the major reasons Utah has struggled is breaking in a new
QB each year due to injuries and the self infected wound of breaking in a new
offensive system with a new OC.
They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
and over, but expecting different results, yet, the Utes seem to think that
they're the only team in the country capable of plugging in a new OC and
new offensive scheme every spring, fine tuning it in August, and being ready for
prime time in September.Add to that a QB competition between an
injury-prone starter and a transfer who only completed 4 of 13 passes last
season, plus a very difficult schedule, and you have the makings of a team that
will be lucky to win 4 games.Prediction: If the Utes don't beat
Fresno State, Utah's season will be over before the end of the first week
As a friend of a BYU player and a season ticket holder at the U I am just
excited for football to start and support our local schools. I don't hate
BYU and wish them nothing but the best this year and same with USU. Quit hating
each other and root for your in state schools. In a few years we will have the
privilege to have a lot of big power schools to come in to the 3 stadiums and we
will all be able to watch if we choose. I am excited.
@ Who am I sir?"Contrast that with BYU. If they were to lose to
every team on this years schedule that is either ranked or received votes in the
preseason poll and defeat every team on their schedule not ranked or received
votes their record would be 11-1."Not to say that your idea is
totally flawed but its time for you to fact check before you post. BYU would be
8-4. Texas, UCF, Boise St. and Houston have all received preseason votes in the
@IRS Agent"So it's not a matter of whether they win or
lose, but a matter of "how" they lose. The fact that they will lose is a
given. Is that correct?"What I'm saying is that the wins
and losses are not the only criteria, nor should they be. Personally I think
utah will finish with another losing record but they can show some improvement
and still have a losing record. Now that is a subjective analysis that chris
hill will have to make, he'll have to decide if they look to have improved
enough in comparison to the rest of the conference to justify keeping
whittingham for another year despite the losing record but whittingham has some
qualities that transcend the win loss record.That said if he has a 2
or 3 win season I think he is gone, where he can survive a losing record is if
it is a 5 win season with the losses being close and utah being competitive in
the games. A 4 win season might not be enough but a 5 win with clear improvement
should give him 1 more season IMO.
@thebigsomoanFirst, thanks for your comments; however, when you say,
" Keep losing and the thrill of playing with the big boys will ultimately
ring hollow and mean nothing."Many Y fans have said the same.
Time will tell. Perhaps the Y and the U are headed in the same direction in
this regards only on different paths. If the Y keeps winning against teams like
Idaho (twice); New Mexico State (twice); Hawaii (twice); Idaho State (twice);
Weber; Middle Tennessee; and Nevada - since declaring "independence" it
rings hollow and means nothing. I think the first signs of
deterioration will be things like promotions (ie. buy a ticket to a home game
and get 4 free basketball tickets, 4 hot dogs, and 4 drinks") and
aftermarket prices of home games for $5 -$10. I know I had great respect for a
cougar season ticket holder for trying to sell this years tickets for "face
value". I contrasted that with my son "scalping" tickets for a U
game and basically paying for his season tickets! I know as a prudent
businessman which "investment" I would recommend.Conclusion.
At this point I think BYU is ahead of us on the path.
UteologyCloser to home: BYU was 2-5(29%) versus P5s in
2013 with a new OC and a new offensive scheme, but is heading into 2014 with a
fast improving starter, a much improved offensive line, new, experienced talent,
and an offense that has had a year to fine tune.Utah was 2-7(22%)
versus P5s in 2013 with a new OC and a new offensive scheme, but is heading into
2014 with an injury-prone starter, an untested backup, and another new OC and
new offensive scheme, with an even more difficult schedule than last season.Even for the king of spin and the ignorer of any fact that doesn't
support your current, narrowly focused narrative, trying to compare this Utah
team to 2008 is laughable.
@gdogAnd utah is breaking in their 7th OC in 6 seasons. My point is
fresno is not the guaranteed win so many utah "fans" on here are trying
to pretend it is. Yes utah is closer to fresno in talent than they are to the
top pac12 teams. fresno beating utah this season would be far less a shock than
utah beating oregon, usc, ucla, or stanford, in fact fresno beating utah would
be no shock at all. The narrative from so many utah "fans"
these days is that putting pac12 next to utah's name has automatically made
them superior to every team not in one of the so called "p5" including
the upper non p5 teams. I do not agree with that at all. utah is not superior to
those teams in talent and I think some of them are better than utah frankly. utah has the advantage in the fresno game of being at home but outside
of that I don't think utah is superior to fresno at all.
What some of you are not acknowledging is that Utah was competitive in several
conference losses last season. For example, Oregon State 51-48, 3 points is
pretty darn close. UCLA 34-27, lost by one touchdown even with 6 interceptions
against the team many have favored to win the Division this season. ASU 20-19,
1 point is close by any measure. So three games that could have gone either
way. Had those been wins the Utes would have finished with 8 wins on the season.
So Duckhunter says Coach Whitt can save his job by showing some improvement
even with a losing record. I say a little improvement will produce a winning
record and save Coach Whitt's job.
Mormon Ute"What some of you are not acknowledging is that Utah
was competitive in several conference losses last season."True,
but the same could be said of 14 of the last 17, and 3 of the last 4, BYU-Utah
games, yet Utah fans are constantly beating their chests about how
"dominating" Utah has been lately.It's funny how
BYU's close losses to good teams are constantly dismissed by Utah fans
(e.g. see BYU's Top 25 losses in 2012).A little consistency
would lend more credibility to your argument.
@mormon uteWhat you are ignoring are utah's close wins last
season. For example usu 30-26, BYU 20-13, stanford 27-21, colorado 24-17. Those
4 games could have gone either way and had they been losses utah would have gone
1-11 last season. You cannot count the close losses without also counting the
close wins, I know you want to do that to paint the most positive picture you
possibly can but it simply isn't legitimate.What that record
told us, with several close losses and several close wins, is that utah was
pretty much what they were, they basically split the close games so their record
was what it should have been. A little improvement could result in
the exact same record as last year, it might even produce a worse record because
you are ignoring the possibility that utah's opponents might have improved
as well keeping the distance between themselves and utah the same, or even
widening it. Ditto for the teams utah beat, they easily could have closed the
gap on utah and a "little improvement" for them might mean they beat
utah this time.
@mormon uteThe point is that everyone else didn't stay the same
and only utah improved, if utah even has improved. Of utah's 4 close wins
last year they play 2 of them again this year, stanford and colorado. I
don't think anyone being honest thinks utah is better than stanford this
year and doubt anyone considers that a repeat win. colorado looks to have
improved but utah should have a slight edge although colorado gets them at
home.Of the games utah lost only one of those teams appears to maybe
have gotten worse, arizona, and that is even debatable. It
isn't just a matter of utah changing for the better, an assumption anyway,
and everyone else remaining the same. They're all different than last year
so you cannot just look at those close losses and assume that utah is going to
repeat them even being close let alone actually winning them. An
objective look at it would give one the same impression shown in the pre season
pac12 media poll which is utah once again finishing 5th in their division with a
losing record although an outside shot at a better record.
Duckhunter,Maybe so. Then factor in that the Utes paid their dues to
the injury bug last year and were still close in their losses...tip the scales
back towards Utah.
@ekuteNo one else had injuries last year?
@DuckhunterThe fact that Utah has improved is not subjective, nor is
the fact that PAC-12 has improved over the same period as well.Deseret News keeps censoring, so try searching for "The big 2014 Pac-12
guide countdown, from Colorado to Oregon". Have a look at the
non-subjective analysis of Utah compared to teams like Colorado:"Utah improved rather dramatically on paper in 2013, but close losses and
a key injury prevented most people from noticing. Can the Utes take another step
forward this fall?... In so many ways, 2013 was a rebirth... the growth of 2013
was obvious on paper, and with a lot returning (including a healthy-for-now
Wilson), it's not hard to see Utah taking another solid step forward in
@uteologyYes it is subjective, no one knows and it is all subjective
until gamyes are played. Just because some pac12 media guide (uh...how
subjective is that thing?) sa's it doesn't make it fact, it is once
again their opinion, or in otherwords supposition, subjective.That
said I think they've probably improved, they have more experience at some
key positions and appear to have a bit more depth so my "subjective"
opinion is that utah has improved. But that doesn't change anything I said,
do you personally know how the other teams have improved or gotten worse? As I said they could improve and have the exact same record as last
year. It will be up to chris hill to "subjectively" decide if they have
improved if the record doesn't improve and then make a decision on
whittingham.As I've told other utah "fans" on this
subject, utah doesn't exist in a vacumm where only they improve or get
worse while eveyrone else stays the same. There are other factors to this than
whether or not utah has improved, thigs they cannot control.
Quit with the gloom and doom. The Utes will be just fine. The team will go 7-5
or 8-4 this year.
Duckhunter,The Utes had more than their share of injuries to key
players on both sides of the ball last year. That's what I mean by
"paid their dues". I'm hoping that the injury scales balance out
and leave the team relatively injury free for the entire season. Go Utes!
@DuckhunterInjuries to key players are subjective? Team statistics
are subjective? Did you even read the article or are you adding your own
opinion without reading it? The author makes valid points about Utah's
improvement last year.
ekuteInjuries are part of the game and every team has them.BYU lost both of its starting corners before their first game last season, and
suffered injuries to numerous other key players throughout the season.
Duckhunter,No, I'm not ignoring the close wins. The point was
to illustrate that Utah was competitive in the Pac 12 last year. That is why I
focused on the conference games the Ute's were competitive in, but lost.
In fact, those close conference wins support my point as well. Especially the
win over Stanford. Sure, other teams are likely to have improved as well. That
doesn't take away from the fact that the Utes already have been
competitive. Jim Mora made that very clear during Pac 12 media and specifically
mentioned the fact that the Utes stayed in the game even while giving away the
ball 6 times. The question that will have to be answered on the field is who
made more improvement. We'll find out as the Utes play each of those teams
this year and yes, that includes the three close wins.
Urban, Urban, Wherefore art thou Mr. Meyer?
itsajellyWalla Walla, WAUrban, Urban, Wherefore art thou Mr.
My 2-cents:Senior Night 2011Utah: Colorado 11/25BYU: New
Mexico State 11/19Senior Night 2012Utah: Arizona 11/19BYU: Idaho 11/10 (week after Halloween)Senior Night 2013Utah: Colorado 11/30BYU: Idaho State 11/16Senior Night
2014Utah: Arizona 11/22BYU: Savannah State 11/22Senior
Night 2015Utah: Colorado BYU: Fresno State 11/21Senior
Night 2016Utah ArizonaBYU: Utah State 11/28Wow, how can
you argue with that? At least the next 3 Senior nights are in the latter half of
@uteologyTheir opinion is what is subjective, but I'm not even
saying they didn't make some improvement last year. You're truly
struggling here. But whether or not they improved while everyone that beat them
did not is extremely subjective, and frankly a pipe dream. @ekuteThere is no such thing as "more than their fair share", there is
no supreme being making a tally and dolling out the number of injuries each team
has. BYU had some tough injuries as well last year, so did usc, stanford,
oregon, osu, wsu, az, asu, and everyone else utah played.There is no
guaranty utah won't have twice as many injuries this year as last or they
may have very few. There is no allotment for this, it just happens.
@mormon uteWhat you focused on was only one side of the coin, the
one you thought made your point. As I said utah's record last year was a
very good representation of what they were, they won some close games and they
lost some close games and when you are a 5-7 team that is how it goes. Sure if
everything else stays exactly the way it was last year but utah wins their close
games that were losses they would have a much better record, but as I said if
they lost the close ones they won they'd have a horrific record. That is
pretty much the definition of a mediocre team which is what utah has been in the
pac12. yes I know that will get you all hot and bothered and you'll make
some indignant reply, but utah's record shows the truth of it.And no it doesn't have anything to do with BYU, we're discussing
utah here.I am interested to see if they can do better this year.
81UteBowl Night 2014BYU: MiamiUtah: the couch on the
hillBowl Night 2013BYU: San FranciscoUtah: the couch on
the hillBowl Night 2012BYU: San DiegoUtah: the couch on
the hillBowl Night: 2011BYU: DallasUtah: El PasoWow, how can you argue with that? At least 3 bowl nights spent on the
couch by Utah's Seniors.
"The utes have handled the Cougars for the past few years but without BYU on
the schedule the team really doesn't have anything to get up for."Playing 5 top 25 teams, and at least 3 others ranked ahead of BYU,
instead of ByU and their cupcake schedule are definitely great reasons to get up
for the game. should we count those reasons?
I think Whittingham needs to get to a bowl; or it's time for Utah to look
for a new coach. I realize the schedule is brutal; but I don't think that 6
wins is asking too much.@ RedthunderAmen Bro...Go Utes!
IrieUtePoor timing for Whittingham not have a one-game season versus
BYU to salvage an otherwise dismal season, losing, bowl less season.
"Bowl Night 2014BYU: MiamiUtah: the couch on the hill"Well, we might as well not play the season now....
The Runnin' Redskins jumped into the PAC 10 too early and now they're
going to pay the price.
@ ApacheThere are going to be growing pains, but they certainly
didn't make the move too early. It was time for the move. Plus, the offer
was kind of a "now or never" thing.
@Duckhunter,You mention the close wins as being Colorado, BYU, and
Stanford. The score looks close I agree. However when looking closer at the
actual game it is not what it seems. Utah had 2 score leads on all three of
these teams going into the 4th quarter. They never trailed against BYU or
Colorado. They took the lead for good against Stanford at the end of the 2nd
quarter and never trailed again. Now against OSU and ASU, Utah had leads late
and could not hold them. The same can be said for USU and Utah but the Utes held
on to get that win. I think the optimism from us Utah fans is that this year we
will hold those leads like we did against BYU, Colorado, and Stanford.
I like to be optimistic about our Utah teams, and for USU and BYU, I think there
is plenty of reason to be this year. As for Utah, well, that is a different
matter. Changing Offensive coordinators every year for the last four years
makes it impossible for the offensive side of the ball to have any kind of
consistency, and a head coach that always uses the OC as an excuse for loosing
doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his assistant coaches.When Utah joined the PAC 12, I had some very high expectations for them. I
actually felt that they would be contending for the conference championship
right away, but apparently playing with the "big boys" was more
intimidating than I thought. It has appeared to me that the U was more focused
on beating BYU than winning their conference championship. I don't see any
thing different this year, except that they don't play BYU, so there will
be no reason to boast, unless they can win a few more conference games. Good
luck there while adjusting to yet another OC.
DuckhunterHighland, UT@uteologyTheir opinion is
what is subjective, but I'm not even saying they didn't make some
improvement last year. You're truly struggling here. But whether or not
they improved while everyone that beat them did not is extremely subjective, and
frankly a pipe dream. ------------I'm struggling?
Where did I say everyone that beat us last year did not improve? In fact, I have claimed, like the article I quoted, that Utah has a good
chance of getting TWO more wins (7-5) this year. Even Athlon Sports, has Utah
improving by TWO PAC-12 games, which predicted Utah 4-5 (6-6 overall). Pipe dream is "not" having to hide out in Tulsa for a week after yet
another loss, everything else is possible.
"It has appeared to me that the U was more focused on beating BYU than
winning their conference championship."Absolutely. That BYU
game in September totally distracted Utah when CU came to town at the end of
Former Coach"The score looks close I agree. However when looking
closer at the actual game it is not what it seems. Utah had 2 score leads on all
three of these teams going into the 4th quarter."Nice spin, but
for a "former coach", you don't seem to know your "facts"
very well and you overlooked a lot in your analysis.Utah only lead
13-6 entering the 4th Quarter and BYU had a chance to tie the game late in the
fourth before Hill's pass was intercepted with 1:37 left in the game.First DownsBYU 24, Utah 16Total YardsBYU 443,
Utah 402PassingBYU 260, Utah 273RushingBYU
183, Utah 129
@Rose Bowl call yet?I am glad that you are happy and thrilled with
the schedules (read easy opponents) and the bowl games that BYU will get to play
in. However, thinking longer term, BYU will not be playing after the first of
December in the future. When the playoff expands to 8 teams the bowl games will
become a casualty of said expansion. Even an undefeated season against such a
weak schedule will not warrant an invitation to the playoff. Enjoy it while you
can. Hopefully, BYU will be able to schedule meaningful opponents in the
Novembers of the future. Even if the Utes don't get invited they do play
many quality teams every season and that makes for interesting and enjoyable
(frustrating too) football. I also hope the Coach Witt is retained by the U
regardless of this seasons outcome. What this state needs is more unemployed Y
"They took the lead for good against Stanford at the end of the 2nd quarter
and never trailed again."Is that why Bill Riley went nuts on the
radio when Utah knocked down Stanford's pass in the end zone to preserve
Utah's narrow 27-21 win?And is that why Utah's
"official radio station" continues to play that sound bite daily?Because Utah had the game in the bag since the 2nd quarter?You do realize, don't you, that if Stanford had completed that final
pass, the Cardinal would have had a 99% chance of winning the game?
@Yisirrelevant..... "BYU and now USU have created a brand of winning on the
national stage"LOL @PAC man...."You're half
right. It'll be good for Utah because the Utes will at least have a
fighting chance versus Fresno State; Taysom Hill and company would have mopped
RES field with the Utes this season."Right PAC man just like
they did last year, the year before that, the year before that, etc. It's
good they don't play for cougie fan's like you becasue you can have
the pretend win in your head just like every pre-season until Utah of course
wins the game on the field where it actually matters. By the way
love the screen name it screams out your jealousy of the U....LOL!
Wowza...Wowza!!You know you are now officially embedded as a
Bottom-Major...Conference Doormat, when your "Seasons Quest for
Relevancy" is only to manage to win enough games, to be granted one of
"78" Bowl slots.My how the "False Bravado" has
I see utah losing to Michigan, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, ASU, UCLA and
USC. They will probably win against Idaho State, Fresno State, Arizona, Colorado
and WSU. That's 5-7 again.
@talkinsportsUtah only lead 13-6 entering the 4th Quarter and BYU
had a chance to tie the game late in the fourth before Hill's pass was
intercepted with 1:37 left in the game.----------Utah 20
BYU 64th Qtr 7:09At that point, Utah had just iced the
game on a 3rd and 10 play. Until a bone-headed reaction by Row and even a more
ridicules call by the PAC-12 refs considering the same penalty could have been
called on BYU numerous times throughout the game:3rd and 10 at UTAH
44Taysom Hill pass incomplete to Kaneakua Friel, UTAH penalty 15 yard
Unsportsmanlike Conduct on Eric Rowe accepted for a 1ST down.You
were bailed out by a poor judgement call, that's all.
@Marked it DownShow me where I said they had the game in the bag.
Also show me where Stanford led after the second quarter. Did I not say they
held on to win? Thank you for reassuring my point. Utah held on to win that
game. Also I do realize that Utah would have lost that game had Stanford
completed that pass.
Former CoachYou claimed that "The score looks close I agree.
However when looking closer at the actual game it is not what it seems."
suggesting that the score was much closer than the actual game.If
you weren't trying to suggest that Utah had the Stanford game won in the
2nd quarter, then why even mention that Utah lead from the 2nd quarter on?------------------UteologyBYU was only down
20-13 with possession of the ball and a couple of minutes left on the clock. Any
fan who claims that Utah had the game won at that point is not being
intellectually honest - 4th and 18 should tell you all you need to know about
how precarious Utah's lead was at that point in the game.
2b"Right PAC man just like they did last year..."As any financial advisor will tell you, past performance is not an indicator
of future outcomes, especially when 3 of the last 4, and 14 of the last 17
BYU-Utah games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the final minutes or
in overtime.btw, unlike Utah, BYU didn't have to pretend that
the Cougars would have played in a bowl game last season, or the season before,
IF...Whether you want to accept it, or not, 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 is bottom
feeder status in any conference.
@talkinsportsI stand corrected, Utah led 13-6 going into the 4th
quarter. It took a little over two minutes to finish off the drive the started
in the 3rd. They were up 20-6 with 12:44 to go in the 4th. Let see how
observant you are. What did Utah do defensively almost the entire 4th quarter?
What team was one dimensional the entire 4th quarter? Who controlled the time
of possession? Who averaged more yards per play.? I observed lots in the game.
Perhaps the best question for you is this, "At what point and time during
that game did you really believe BYU was going to win?" I will answer, I
believed Utah was going to win when BYU didn't score in the first Quarter.
@Just the Fax,Same question for you, when did you think BYU was
going to win? My comments never said game in the bag, my comments said Utah led
from the second quarter on and the entire game against BYU and Colorado. Now in
the close loses the games were back and forth with Utah losing the leads. Read
the last statement of my post. Us Utah fans are optimistic that we can hold the
leads this year and win those games. I am also wondering where Utah loses to
BYU if the Cougars score on that last possession. Do you think Bronco would
have gone for 2?
@former coach and uteologyformer coach it is telling how one sided
you see things, as if things were done at some point that early in the game.
uteology whining about a legitimate call tells us all about his delusion,
especially considering BYU had a TD called back on a phantom "holding"
penalty that no one can find on any replay, you both conveniently ignore that.
Listen utah won the game, but to try to pretend that they controlled
it throughout is ridiculous, to try to pretend that a game is over when your
opponent has the ball with time on the clock and down only one score is delusion
at its highest degree. utah showed us what they were last year, a
mediocre team with a losing record that didn't go to a bowl. That is what
they were, no amount of rationalization or trying to tell yourself "what
if" is going to change it. Losing team, losing record, no bowl. That is what
they are and will continue to be until they can show us differently. Deal with
it because it is fact.
Utah has played something like half a dozen conference games over 3 years with
their day 1 starting QB healthy. Small wonder they've had struggles. Just
one more win each of these three years would be PAC-12 championship appearance
and bowl games the past two years.
Former CoachAs Just the FAX already stated, any Utah fan who
witnessed 4th and 18 would know how precarious Utah's 20-13 lead was with
BYU in possession of the ball at their own 38 with 2:49 left; and lets not
forget, BYU got the ball back at their own 48 with 0:32 left.Any
Utah fan who claims that he didn't breath a sigh of relief when Taysom
Hill's final pass fell incomplete with no time left on the clock simply
isn't being honest.
Ok let's be honest. I was very confident after the first quarter. I was
still confident on the last possession knowing Hill had struggled throwing and I
knew a score meant overtime and not a loss. I don't think Byu goes for two.
Now please tell at what point did you think BYU was going to win? Several of
you have stated flaws in my take of that game but no one has answered my
question. Since we are talking about being honest, did any of you worry about
Utah busting one big play and blowing the Cougars out. In my opinion Utah was
as close to doing just that as they were to losing.
@ Duckhunter"utah showed us what they were last year, a mediocre
team with a losing record that didn't go to a bowl. That is what they are
and will continue to be until they can show us differently. Deal with it because
it is fact."And BYU showed they continue to be incapable of
beating that "mediocre" team which is why their "fans" are
reduced to ankle biting teams who play much more difficult schedules and finish
with a better Sagarin ranking. Deal with it because it is a fact.Keep bragging about that bowl game though! The cougs definitely proved
something against their middle-of-the-Pac bowl opponent. lol
truthsandwichAnd Utah fans continue to prove that the Utes would
rather beat BYU than go to a bowl.LOL at your Sagarin ranking
comparison:#34 Utah, #35 BYUIn the 2013-14 RPI
rankings:#38 BYU, #44 UtahAnd in the newly minted NCAA
Men's Football - Team Power Rankings (2014-2015)#39 BYU (#78
SOS), #48 Utah (#11 SOS)by comparison, SOS rankings for other
teams#87 Michigan State#107 Oregon#90 Ohio St#97
Miami#84 Wisconsin#62 WashingtonWill Oregon deserve an
invite to the playoffs if the Ducks win the PAC 12 championship?What
the Cougars proved against Washington in their bowl game was BYU was good enough
to play in their 9th straight bowl game, which is alot more than can be said of
@skywalkerAny Utah fan who claims that he didn't breath a sigh
of relief when Taysom Hill's final pass fell incomplete with no time left
on the clock simply isn't being honest.-------------Sigh of relief of not CHOCKING the game away, yes! While you were
praying for a miracle, we didn't need to. We had the lead the entire game.
Seems like every year, in the last three years, Rock says it is Coach
Whit's "last year as the Utah HC,". That's the kind of media
pressure you don't find in the Salt Lake Tribune. But...People
forget that Whit went to the Fiesta Bowl with Alex Smith, a 2 Star QB; whipped
Pitt and ended up 13-0. How come no one recruited Smith out of HS? How about
Brian Johnson, who took the wind out of the sails of Alabama and Saban? Johnson
wasn't ranked in the top 25 dual threat QBs in the nation, and was a 17
year old when he entered Utah, but he was there in the Sugar Bowl in the
end...with Coach Whit, and a 13-0 record. Should have been No. #1. Only
undefeated team in the nation that year.Rock writes things about
Utah sports on a BYU sports page just to stir things up. He wrote about Coach
Krystkowiak before he had a chance to prove himself, and now with Whit after two
13-0 seasons. Yeah, I know Meyer was there for one, but, same ole', same
ole. It gets old.
@John LockeIt's hilarious how thin skinned Utah fans are
anytime an article is posted that doesn't worship at the feet of the Mighty
PAC 12, "Conference of Champions" Utes.btw, it's
laughable how desperate Utah fans try to give Whit credit for Urban Meyer's
2004 team.The truth is, in 9 seasons as Utah's head coach, Kyle
has only had ONE 11+ win, Top 15 season; Bronco, by comparison, has
@ Rose Bowl Call Yet"And Utah fans continue to prove that the
Utes would rather beat BYU than go to a bowl."----Yet here
you are, on a Utah article, comparing BYU to Utah's season last year. With
a screen name of a bowl that only Utah can go to. Now that's curious! I
also notice among all of your stats and rankings, there's no mention of the
score of last years game. Also very curious.
Spokane UteIf Utah's supposed primary goal is winning the PAC
12 and playing in the Rose Bowl, why would no mention of the score of last
year's BYU-Utah game be of concern to you?
What, no takers on Rose Bowl's question?Would Oregon (#107 SOS)
deserve an invite to the playoffs if the Ducks win the PAC 12 championship?I'm surprised Utah fans aren't all over that one, since
they're soooo concerned about BYU's #78 SOS.
Duckhunter,I don't recall mentioning BYU in any of my comments.
I believe you first brought up BYU in one of your responses to me. In any
case, I don't dispute what the Ute's record reflects, but I believe
they are closer to success in the Pac 12 than some people give them credit for.
TheSportsAuthorityHow could Oregon have such a horrible SOS (#107)
if the Ducks play in the mighty PAC 12?
UteanymousYou don't understand.Oregon is in a P5
conference, so of course the PAC 12 champ is automatically included in the
playoffs, except, hmmm, only four automatic spots available...
@ TheSportsAuthorityIf Oregon ended the season with an SOS of 107,
then no they would not deserve a spot in the playoffs. I'm wiling to bet
the Ducks have an SOS in the top 30 after this season though. Last season I
believe Arizona had the lowest SOS in the conference at 31.
@SportsFanThe truth is, in 9 seasons as Utah's head coach, Kyle
has only had ONE 11+ win, Top 15 season;Bronco, by comparison, has
had THREE!----------Correction, Kyle had ONE 13 win Top
2 season.Bronco, by comparison, had 50,000 Quest t-shirts printed
for what Kyle accomplished.This year Bronco will have his fourth 11+
win season. Yet, if Kyle does go 7-5, with one of the toughest schedules in the
nation, then it will be more impressive than ALL of Bronco's 11+ wins
@TheSportsAuthorityArlington, VAWhat, no takers on Rose
Bowl's question?Would Oregon (#107 SOS) deserve an invite to
the playoffs if the Ducks win the PAC 12 championship?-----------This isn't 1984, they wouldn't get a playoff spot.Curious, who has ranked Oregon's 2014 SOS at #107? A Cougar fan?Using the NCAA Method Oregon's schedule is ranked #49, BYU #97,
Utah #11.Source:2014 College Football Strength of Schedule
– NCAA MethodBy Kevin Kelley - April 1, 2014
2ferYou obviously haven't looked at Oregon's schedule.
UteologySorry, but you obviously don't understand what a
"correction" is.Kyle having had only had ONE 11+ win, Top 15
season;versusBronco having had THREE!is an absolutely
true statement.Kyle has had one great season, and very little
else.Bronco has had three very good seasons, better, in fact, than all but
two seasons in Utah history.Your "IF" conjecturing is
Uteology"Curious, who has ranked Oregon's 2014 SOS at
#107?"RealTimeRPINCAA Men's Football - Team Power
Rankings (2014-2015)[Last updated - Thu Jul 31 22:30:49 PDT 2014]#8 Oregon (SOS #107)#39 BYU (SOS #78)#48 Utah (SOS #11)Your rankings are obviously out of date.
Lets look at the top 15 SOS and their records last year1. Arkansas
– 103-54, 65.61% (3-9)2. Virginia – 102-54, 65.38% (2-10)3. Tennessee – 101-54, 65.16% (5-7)4. Notre Dame – 103-56,
64.78% (9-4)5. Texas A&M – 100-55, 64.52% (11-2)6.
Kentucky – 98-55, 64.05% (2-10)7. Iowa State – 97-57, 62.99%
(3-9)8. Syracuse – 96-57, 62.75% (7-6)9. Rutgers –
97-58, 62.58% (6-7)9. Wake Forest – 97-58, 62.58% (4-8)11.
Utah – 98-59, 62.42% (5-7)12. West Virginia – 97-59, 62.18%
(4-8)13. South Carolina – 96-59, 61.94% (11-2)14. Miami, FL
– 96-60, 61.54% (9-4)15. Boston College – 95-61, 60.90%
(7-6)40% had winning records last year and 60% had loosing records.
Alabama has the the 95th strongest schedule and Oklahoma has the
93rd. Both of them are considered as teams that have a good chance to be
considered to be picked for the playoffs. No one will say they did not play
UteologyDespite your reluctance to accept it, a #107 SOS ranking for
Oregon doesn't seem that far off:2014 Power Rankings#203 South Dakota#3 Michigan State#110 Wyoming#67
@Washington St#44 Arizona#15 @UCLA#24 Washington#124
California#13 Stanford#48 @Utah#91 Colorado#43 @Oregon
State4 Top 25, 4 +90, 4 40-70Average Power Ranking of
Oregon Opponents: 65.4which could very well be #107 when compared to
the average power ranking of every other team.Of course, SOS will
change for every team as soon as the season starts.Remember when
Utah was slated to played #1-ranked USC before the season started, and ended up
playing an unranked USC, according to end of season rankings?So,
will you change your opinion of whether an undefeated, PAC 12 champion Oregon
"deserves" a playoff invite if the Ducks do indeed finish with a 100+
SOS?Can't wait for the spin.
UteologyThe football playoff selection will consider a number of
factors, including SOS, in choosing the four playoff teams, but what's your
source that they will use the "NCAA method" for ranking SOS?Committee member Mike Tranghese said:"We are going to see
teams play so there is the eye test. It isn't as if we are computers and
this is exactly how you do it. I may look at strength of schedule a little
differently than someone else, and that could have an influence on how I
ultimately vote."Bottom line:SOS will be a factor,
but this isn't a computer-based bcs ranking system. It's up to each of
the 13 voting members to decide how much of a factor SOS will be as they rank
teams 1 through 25.
"Lets look at the top 15 SOS and their records last year"Please....This is merely the ncaa method where they only produce the previous
year's collective record, in order to gauge sos for the following
year....It's pure tripe....Alabama will play against a sec schedule and
Oklahoma will do the same against a Big-12 schedule and will both have a sos
ranking light-years ahead of byu's.
"SOS will be a factor, but this isn't a computer-based bcs ranking
system. It's up to each of the 13 voting members to decide how much of a
factor SOS will be as they rank teams 1 through 25."Please....byu could go undefeated this season, in your fantasy, and their sos
would literally prevent them from coming anywhere even remotely close to
qualifying for the playoff....See Uva/U/Wisc/Nd/Uw from last season as a
"Would Oregon (#107 SOS) deserve an invite to the playoffs if the Ducks win
the PAC 12 championship?"The Ducks have to play UCLA, Stanford,
and Michigan State, which means unless those other teams turn out to be
overrated Oregon would certainly have proven something about themselves by going
undefeated. I will be shocked if their SOS is still #107 at the end of the year.
If they play in the Pac 12 championship that would also add to their strength of
schedule.It also depends on the resume of the top teams from the
other conferences, and what they have proven on the field at that point.The beauty of a playoff is if a team happened to sneak in by beating a
schedule of nobodies, all they have proven is that they are better than the
nobodies, but they would then have a shot to prove something in the first
playoff game against a legitimate team. If they lose, they would be exposed as a
fraud and just getting to the playoffs wouldn't have been that great of an
accomplishment. If they win, then they have done something to prove they
deserve a shot at the National Championship Game.
@SportsfanWhy would a concern of mine, be a concerned to yours?
Especially when it's not even a concern; just a comment. I was merely
commenting on, rose bowl call yet's comparison of the schools last year. It
appears he left out some information in the comparison. Thank you for your
concern though; but I believe the D News does a fine job of moderating the
truthsandwichWith all of the analysis, I doubt that any team will
"sneak" into the playoffs, but just like the NCAA basketball tournament,
some teams will exceed expectations, and some teams will fall short, once they
get to the playoffs.The "favorite" doesn't always win
it all.One thing is certain, with five P5s, plus Notre Dame, plus a
possible "mid-major", plus a possible 2nd team from the SEC, 1 or 2 or
even 3 P5 conference champions are going to be left out of the playoffs every
year.It's not going to take long before fans from the P5s left
on the outside looking in start screaming for the playoffs to be expanded to 8
teams.IF, one of those teams turns out to be an undefeated
conference champion Oregon in 2014, no doubt, some of those fans will be some of
the same Utah fans who have been so confident about the PAC 12 champion always
being a lock for the playoffs.
Sagarin's national strength of schedule rankings for last year:#1 STANFORD#2 AZ STATE#3 UTAH#4 CAL#5 WSU#6
COLORADO#7 UCLA#17 UW#18 OREGON STATE#21 USC#29
OREGON#31 ARIZONAThe weakest schedule in the Conference of
Champions was the 31st strongest in the nation. You'll need to look all
the way down to the 8th spot before you even get out of the PAC 12.
truthsandwichHow do you know that Texas, Houston, and UCF won't
turn out to be as highly ranked as Michigan State, Stanford and UCLA, and if
that happened, wouldn't BYU have proven something about themselves by going
undefeated?What if BYU beats Texas, and Texas ends up winning the
Big 12 championship? Wouldn't BYU have proven something about themselves by
beating one of the P5 conference champions?For fans like AZUTE1 to
unequivocally state that BYU wouldn't come anywhere even remotely close to
qualifying for the playoff is laughable, considering all of the variables that
Doubting that an undefeated Oregon, or PAC 12 team, would make the playoffs? Now
that's funny stuff right there. It's pretty obvious
who's on the outside looking in!
Coug fans desperately dreaming of a scenario where an undefeated Pac 12 Champion
doesn't make the playoffs:Highly entertaining.
truthsandwichUte fans desperately hoping that a scenario where BYU
qualifies for the playoffs never happens.Just the thought that
something so unthinkable could happen, sends shock waves of fear through Ute
@ Marked it DownIs BYU a P5 team? Utah fans don't have to hope
anything. BYU never being able to qualify for a playoff is reality.
8 pages of childish, rubbish comments.So, a poster claimed BYU fans
were claiming Utah would get rolled by the Tide in their BCS match up. Nope.
Maybe there were a few, but most of us knew the Tide shouldn't take the
Utes lightly. Sure, we didn't expect Utah to win in the fashion they did,
but we knew it was possible. You see, back then Utes and Cougars were on the
same page in protesting that the "Power" conferences weren't on the
completely same page they claimed. Unfortunately, many Ute fans have sold
out.Yes, the PAC-12 is a very strong, very competitive conference
right not. However, these things are cyclical, as we all know. And Utah
hasn't had quite the same level of teams they had in their two BCS-busting
seasons. If they did, they would do better against the competition.This year's Ute team? Probably not good enough, but we won't know
until they actually take the field, will we?
2fer"Is BYU a P5 team? Utah fans don't have to hope
anything. BYU never being able to qualify for a playoff is reality."Sorry to burst your BYU-hating crimson bubble, but BYU has just as good
a chance of qualifying for the playoffs as Utah has of having another undefeated
season and winning the PAC 12, which is the only way the Utes will ever be
considered by the selection committee.Utah being nothing but a
perennially mediocre, two-hit, flash-in-the-pan wonder is reality - only five AP
Top 25 finishes in your entire history if proof of that.
A couple of things, if utah's schedule is ranked around the top 10, and
oregon's is below 100, yet they both play a very similar schedule with 6
common oppenent's, what is it that makes oregon's so weak while
utah's is so strong?Simple, they play each other and what that
means is oregon brings utah's sos up, a lot, while utah makes oregon's
drop, a lot. But what it also shows is that pre-season SOS
litterally means nothing. utah "fans" like to brag/whine about
utah's sos and use it for a pre-emptive excuse for utah's pending poor
season but the truth is it is nothing more than a subjective ranking, and
rankings are something utah "fans" claim are not legitimate when BYU is
ranked higher than they are. It is an amusing fact that
"rankings" are only considered legit by utah "fans" when the
ranking can somehow be used as an excuse or a justification for poor performance
by utah's teams or else when utah is ranked higher than BYU in something.
When rankings don't fit the utah "fan" false narrative they
apparently lose legitimacy. lol
yes, the strength of schedule is what counts for the Utes. Of course they will
lose 7 or 8 games…maybe nine games if FSU upends them too. But what
matters is how big the blowouts are and if a few of the games are close.
That's what being a Ute has come to mean. Go Utes. You could have a
spoiler here and there.
"It's pretty obvious who's on the outside looking in!"The team sitting at home on the couch during bowl week.
@ scottBYU is on the outside looking in. They are a victim of the
system, and they have the same chance of playing for the Stanley Cup and they do
of begin selected for the CFB playoffs.Utah is in, and all it has to
do is win which makes Utah's chances of going to the playoffs much better
than BYU's. What makes you think that a one-loss Utah team with a top 10
SOS won't get considered? That is a great resume for a P5 team. Also,
Utah is not going to be down forever. There is an ebb and flow to college
football and it's wasn't too long ago that Washington St. was in the
Rose Bowl and CU had won back to back conf. titles. Utah is going to have its
day in the sun as well.
2fer"BYU is on the outside looking in. They are a victim of the
system, and they have the same chance of playing for the Stanley Cup and they do
of begin selected for the CFB playoffs."Says who, a fanatic on
the hill?"Utah is in, and all it has to do is win..."Good luck with the winning part; 9-18 in the PAC and only one winning
season since joining the PAC tells us all we need to know about Utah's
@ Y's Little BrotherActually the folks on the inside are the
Power 5 conferences and Notre Dame. The folks on the outside is everyone
else.You may want to read the article regarding the NCAA's
decision today before popping off. Enjoy the Beach Ball Bowl, because
that's as good as it's going to get. Normaally I would feel bad for
BYU, but folks like your self, Rose Bowl Call, Rockwell, etc. have changed my
position. It couldn't happen to a more deserving fan base. Karma!..and I
love it! Have a good evening!
@ Rockwell"Says who, a fanatic on the hill?"Uh,
no. Do you really not understand what is happening right now in the world of
college football? The P5 conferences are not being very subtle in creating a
huge divide between the Power conferences (where Utah is) and everybody else
(where BYU is). BYU doesn't have a prayer of being allowed to compete in
the playoffs, especially with a schedule like they have this year.The past two seasons are not going to define Utah's entire football
future. Like I said, there is an ebb and flow.
@TruthshamwichSagarin's national strength of schedule rankings for
last year:#1 STANFORD#2 AZ STATE#3 UTAH#4 CAL#5 WSU#6 COLORADO#7 UCLA#17 UW#18 OREGON STATE#21 USC#29 OREGON#31 ARIZONAThe weakest schedule in
the Conference of Champions was the 31st strongest in the nation. You'll
need to look all the way down to the 8th spot before you even get out of the PAC
12.---------------------------And last year BYU's
SOS was 38th toughest. They managed that while only playing 2 Pac12 schools and
didn't have the built in advantage of getting a schedule of 9 Pac12 games
handed to them. BYU's SOS was better than Alabama and National Champion
Florida St.As for the collective SOS for Utah and the Pac12 last
year, that was an anomaly and not the norm. Utah's SOS in the previous 2
Pac12 seasons was well into the 40's (which is still not bad compared to
other p5 schools). The Pac12 is on an up-tick right now but it won't last
forever. All things go in cycles.
@AZUTE1Please....This is merely the ncaa method where they only produce
the previous year's collective record, in order to gauge sos for the
following year....It's pure tripe....Alabama will play against a sec
schedule and Oklahoma will do the same against a Big-12 schedule and will both
have a sos ranking light-years ahead of byu's.---------------.....yawn.....ute SOS blah blah blah. Ute fans
finish one season with a top 10 SOS and they all of a sudden try to pretend that
it's an annual thing. This coming season could be a 2nd yr but we
won't know until after the season is played.It's like
Duckhunter said, pre-emptive excuse making by ute fans for their expectation of
having another losing record. The Pac12 is unusually strong from the middle of
the pack to the top of the conference. It won't last forever. Recent
coaching hires have made middle of the pack and lower tier schools like UCLA,
ASU, Wash St and AZ unusually strong. In a year or two some of their coaches
will move on to seek their fortunes in the NFL and things will revert back to
A very real possibility this year. Looking like another 2-7 pac campaign this
If the couch cannot get it done this year its then time to begin looking for a
new head couch... what was the name of the couch that took the Utes to the
cotton bowl and won? it is amazing what a excellent couch and staff can do.
I Hope that Utah goes to a bowl. I read the comments from Ute fans on cougar
articles and I hope they grow up but as far as Utah goes I really hope the Kyle
wins a couple of more games and they go to a bowl. Good luck Utah.
There's still the Miami Bowl vs. BYU.