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Published: Saturday, Aug. 2 2014 6:48 p.m. MDT

Updated: Saturday, Aug. 2 2014 6:48 p.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

From the piece: "It seems a little hypocritical, if not disingenuous, for Utah politicians to rail against accepting federal money when 40 percent ($6 billion) of Utah’s budget comes from the federal government. “Past studies have shown that Utah receives more federal money than it sends to the nation's capital in taxes...” (“Utah too dependent on federal dollars, state auditor warns,” December 3, 2013)."

If you look at all the states and see how much they pay in taxes to the federal government versus how much they get back in federal spending you will find that, on average, liberal states pay more in taxes than they get back, while conservative states get more in benefits than they pay in taxes. There are a few exceptions, but they rule holds pretty well.

So liberal states are the makers, conservative states are the takers. The states that complain the most about federal spending are the ones who receive that spending. If we passed a law that said that no state can get back more than they pay in, states like New York, Delaware, and California would be much better off. States like Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolian would be much worse off.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"40 percent ($6 billion) of Utah’s budget comes from the federal government."

It is pretty hypocritical to shout "self-sufficiency", "personal responsibility", and "smaller government" when the reddest of the red states is so completely dependent on those Federal Dollars that it constantly decries.

Reminds me of the guy who said "keep your government hands off my medicare"

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

"Unless we elect leaders who can lead, give us hope and unite us instead of divide us, we will continue to become a second-class state. Anything less is a recipe for failure."

Yep, that applies doubly for our entire nation as well! We have an opportunity to begin our course correction in November. Let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be! Do it for our children and grandchildren!

one old man
Ogden, UT

This is the MOST EXCELLENT editorial I've read in DN for a long, long time.

It should be required reading for every citizen of Utah.

As the man from the mountain points out above, we have an opportunity to begin a course correction in November. Let's not squander it by returning Rob Bishop and other incumbents to office.

Replace them with people of high quality and good sense.

People like Donna McAleer and Doug Owens.

Let's clean house in the Utah legislature.

Indeed, let's not squander the chance to put America back on the path it used be. I'll be trying to do exactly that for my children and grandchildren.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be"

Let me guess. That means voting Republican?
Or the "path it used to be" was when we were losing 750,000 jobs per month?

Newsflash, The increase in deficit under Obama is made up overwhelmingly on 2 issues.

Increase mandatory spending and reduced tax revenue (both recession related) Both would have been similar under Romney (or McCain for that matter.) Even the Heritage Foundation website confirms this information.

One can certainly make an argument that the country is going in the wrong direction. But the "wrong direction" was occurring long before Obama took office.

History has not shown that electing Republicans is a cure.

I am not one to defend the Democrats, but I DO point out that the country runs pretty similarly whether we pull the D or the R lever.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

"Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
--Abraham Lincoln

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

leaders who lead, give hope, and unite - that definitely excludes BO.

But getting to Florez's comment about how much of our state budget come from the feds (state auditor says we are too dependent) and whether we get more from or pay more to the feds - those are two different things. It is a weak and tired argument the lefties like to trot out every time they want to criticize one of the best run states in the nation.

two things
JoeBlow - you can pay attention to this, too - Utah is in the BOTTOM FIVE states in relation to how much we receive in federal dollars per capita. That means 45 OTHER states get MORE per capita from the feds than we do.

Also the federal government runs a big deficit - not as massive as when the dems had the house, but still a big deficit - that means just about every state, if not all, receive more from the feds than they send in.

stop with the Utah is a drag on the federal budget garbage, because that is just what it is - garbage!

intervention
slc, UT

@mountaiman

You are right it is time to get rid of the takers, republicans officials, and replace them with givers "liberal" officials" that will put more money in then they take out.

Understands Math
Lacey, WA

"Elect leaders who can lead, give hope and unite"

That is an incredibly banal point. Should said leaders also be honest, trustworthy, loyal, kind, etc.?

Well, maybe Utah voters should stick to trustworthy. Anything beyond that is tough to Swallow.

one old man
Ogden, UT

"Unless we elect leaders who can lead, give us hope and unite us instead of divide us, we will continue to become a second-class state. Anything less is a recipe for failure." That is exactly right.

When will we get rid of the dividers? The Boehners and McConnells, the Ryans and Cruzes, the Lees and the Chafetzes and their GOP cohorts.

And I agree wholeheartedly with the following statement:

"Yep, that applies doubly for our entire nation as well! We have an opportunity to begin our course correction in November. Let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be! Do it for our children and grandchildren!"

Exactly. In November, we will have a chance to elect some quality people to replace Rob Bishop, Chris Stewart, Jason Chafetz, and find a good replacement for Jim Matheson. Let's not squander the opportunity. While we're at it, let's clean a bunch of incumbents out of the Utah legislature.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

@ MM

I agree, think of our children and grandchildren this November. Our country cannot survive another round of tea party radicals who place party above country.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

"Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
--Abraham Lincoln

This is the exact principle at issue here.

ECR
Burke, VA

Excellent essay Mr. Florez. What you have perfectly illustrated is how politics has been the main factor in most of the touble experienced by Americans over the past 3 decades. We need to have a healthy relationship between local, state and federal governments and the people that are elected to control those governments need to think of the people that elected them before they think of the power brokers that they mistakenly believe will ensure their re-election.

Mountanman is right when he says "let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be", which is a nation of people working together for the good of everyone, not a group of individuals who are only interested in their own self interests. We are a great nation, the greatest, not because we have great individuals but because we (meaning our citizens from the past) have worked together in concert for the benefit of all. Only when we turn our attention to selfish interests does our great nation suffer. Remember, don't squander the chance come November.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To lost in D.C.: Many states pay much more in federal taxes than they get back. Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, New Jersey, and Connecticut are near the top of the list.

I can't post links here, but the Economist magazine did a piece on it fairly recently. Plus I have seen the info posted on several other sources.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

JoeBlow,
"I am not one to defend the democrats"

Yes, that is about ALL you do.

you talk about jobs - have we yet to reach the number of jobs created during the height of the bush years - fall of 2007? If BO and those you say you are not defending (but ALWAYS do) are doing such a wonderful job, why has it take so loooooooonnnnngggggggg to recover? BO and his ill-advised policies, that is why, Obamacare and his unrestrained, out-of-control EPA and his open borders policy in particular.

we were still bleeding jobs when BO took over, and it was only when TARP started to take hold that the slide stopped.

old man,
you would have us vote for nancy pelosi? that WOULD be a squandered vote. I thought you were for retiring incumbents.

one old man
Ogden, UT

"Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
--Abraham Lincoln

Let's see, that refers to the Tea Party, doesn't it?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Effective leadership has more to do with the tools of leadership than the imaginary notion of how he looks, acts or talks.

Early on, the only thing a leader had to have was size. The advent of weapons from the original club to Atomic bombs worked for a while. Today's world might be referred to as the leadership age of mass media and the leaders are those who control it. The are not necessarily the ones we elect.

I think President Obama's leadership would have been good had he not been stripped of the tools of leadership by being outgunned in the media.

For Utah? Since we don't have any chance of leadership for people and only for business, we would be better served if our state leaders were not so bold and anxious to lead.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

You demos are sure optimistic about the mid-term elections! What are you going to run on, Obamacare disasters, doubling the national debt, the weakest economic recovery in 5 decades, the decline of the middle class, foreign policy meltdowns, the immigration debacle, what? I'm not too optimistic that blaming GWB is going to win for you anymore!

Wonder
Provo, UT

lost in DC --Do you live in California? If not, you're not going to vote for Nancy Pelosi. But good boogey man for the far right, so keep on trotting out her name.

ECR
Burke, VA

Lost in DC - According the Bureau of Labor Statistics the numbers go like this:

In the 8 years prior to the GW Bush presidency, in other words, during the Clinton Adminstration, there were 22,740,000 jobs created.

In the 8 years of the GW Bush Administration there were 1,216,000 jobs created

In the 6 years since the start of the Obama Administration there have been 5,182,000 jobs created.

You can look it up.

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